By You would think that after reading this article in the Stars & Stripes claiming “thousands” of white supremacists and anti-government extremists are running around the military:
Thinking of writing a few choice words in an online “white power” chat room? Think again.The Pentagon is cracking down on extremism in its ranks with a new set of rules restricting servicemembers from participating on the Web sites of supremacist groups.
A new Defense Department directive on dissident and political activity issued on November 27 — the first since 1996 — says servicemembers “must not actively advocate supremacist doctrine, ideology, or causes.” This includes writing blogs or posting on Web sites.
The new directive is the first at the Defense Department-level to address Internet-based supremacist affiliations. It went unannounced until it was reported in a blog Friday by Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff, who tracked down the military service records of two members of the Michigan-based Hutaree militia group that recently was raided by federal law enforcement groups.
Such groups are “detrimental to good order, discipline, or mission accomplishment,” the Pentagon now says.
Last July, Stars and Stripes reported that 130 members of newsaxon.org, a social networking Web site affiliated with the National Socialist Movement, had listed “military” as their job in “Facebook”-style user profiles. Swatsikas, Nazi symbolism and militant imagery emblazon the site.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights group in Montgomery, Ala., presented dozens of the user profiles to Congress and the Pentagon. The center estimates “thousands” of extremists serve in the ranks and has lobbied the Pentagon for three years to adopt clearer anti-hate measures and more vigorously pursue servicemembers known to be affiliating with hate groups. [Stars & Stripes]
It is incredible that the Stars & Stripes is taken the word of the George Soros, leftist Southern Poverty Law Center to make the claim there are thousands of white supremacists and extremists in the US military. The Southern Poverty Law Center has been part of a campaign to label tea party activists and anyone else that doesn’t agree with liberal politics as extremists, white supremacists, potential domestic terrorists, and whatever other slur they can come up with to defame these people. The US military obviously isn’t immune to these slurs from the SPLC either. There isn’t a more integrated organization in the world then the US military and is sad to see the Stars & Stripes passing off the stereotypes passed by the SPLC and their left wing echo chamber as facts worth reporting.
6:15 pm on April 14th, 2010 1
Yet NOTHING will be said or done about minority soldiers who are openly in gangs, sporting gang tattoos, flashing gang signs, and breaking the law with other gang members.
6:21 pm on April 14th, 2010 2
It's only wrong to be male, white and proud.
6:26 pm on April 14th, 2010 3
We have a serious White supremist problem in the US military. Just recently one of them screamed Allah Akbar and gunned down a dozen of his fellow soldiers. He was active online and sent money to terrorist organizations. There was White supremist who rolled a grenade into the command sleep tent and then screamed Allah Akbar and finished off serveral officers who might have survived. Then there was this former soldier white supremist and his son who traveled around DC in a sedan and shot people at random for money and Allah….oh wait I'm not supposed to talk about those guys…ignore everything above.
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Some dude saw a soldier do a hitler salute, let's get him, killings too good for him.
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Sarcasm off: We have a serisous problem and we need equal treatment/enforcement/punishment. Hate crimes are hate crimes but we aren't allowed to call/talk about some. If I walked into a mess hall and screamed "I hate X people", I'd be fine as long as X referred to white or christian. I'd be out of the Army with a BCD if I was lucky if X equals anything else.
6:29 pm on April 14th, 2010 4
I have heard this time and time again, but I always contend if in my time in the Army if I ever felt any racism it was definitely from the black folks in enlisted leadership postions, and the crazy thing is I am half black!! At first I thought I was shunned by the "black community" was because I was commissioned but after awhile I saw how they interacted with other young black officers. Maybe thats just my experience but I never once can say in my 6years on active duty did I feel, see, percieve any sort of racism from any white soldiers. Of course that definitely not to say it doesnt exsist but just never saw it, and the overt variety was from black soldiers.
6:41 pm on April 14th, 2010 5
Leon, you forgot Christian, even if you are pretty much an athiest and haven't set foot in a church in over a year but think Christmas is pretty cool.
6:59 pm on April 14th, 2010 6
I prefer Festivus
7:32 pm on April 14th, 2010 7
Has anyone attended the new 8th Army <a>Enemy Within training yet? I thought it was supposed to be a catch all for all of that?
9:39 pm on April 14th, 2010 8
Whites and black soldiers were the most racist and the most vile human beings I've ever dealt with. This article explains it all, and is the first honest look at the problem. It's not surprising why most people here ridicule the article.
9:40 pm on April 14th, 2010 9
Does Timothy McVey had anything to with this?
9:40 pm on April 14th, 2010 10
Any degree of white supremacy within the military is a problem just as much as any other kind of extremism. If a whole battalion of soldiers hosts only two white supremacists then it's a problem.
11:00 pm on April 14th, 2010 11
Are you serious? Have you ever been anything but Korean and lived in Korea? Actually compared to civilians the military tends to have LESS racists, and this can probably be attributed to having to work together on a daily basis. I think with that comment you made, YOU are the racist Tom.
Anyways.. I agree with ARCHIEB. I hear about drive by shootings and gang related violence by blacks my whole career and I never see a stars & stripes article on that. Hmmmm…. maybe the Army sees it a way for those individuals to take a bit of their homelife with them. The "Homesick Avoidance Program".
11:11 pm on April 14th, 2010 12
Such groups are “detrimental to good order, discipline, or mission accomplishment,” the Pentagon now says
"The Pentagon NOW says" I guess before, there wasn't a problem.
11:13 pm on April 14th, 2010 13
You forgot "Gun Owner".
11:35 pm on April 14th, 2010 14
The Liberal Left marches on with their assault on "White Males" and their God and Guns. Apparently S&S is too ignorant to avoid being used as a tool by the Racist Liberal Left. The Pendulum will swing back one day.
12:42 am on April 15th, 2010 15
You know not all liberals are pot-smoking tree humping anti-gun pro-choice anti-christian bleeding-heart overly-sensitive bush-hating republican-bashing extremist sissified loons, RETIRED GI. It is good the pendulum swings back and forth, otherwise (given extremist republican control) there would be a prison full of pitheads in every town, armies of homeless people would roam the street begging for money from the wealthy republicans, we would have a war on every continent and half the women in the country would be single mothers. Everyone would have an SUV that sits in the garage because we used up all the worlds oil. Private First Class would make a thousand dollars a week base pay and liberal extremists would be put on death row. (okay maybe not so much the last one but all others)
12:43 am on April 15th, 2010 16
correction- "prison full of POTHEADS in every town"
1:41 am on April 15th, 2010 17
Maybe it's true. According to liberals, the US military consists entirely of white men and its prime directive is to murder brown people.
3:01 am on April 15th, 2010 18
Reads like a pity party for a new oppressed minority here.
3:04 am on April 15th, 2010 19
"must not actively advocate supremacist doctrine, ideology, or causes."
It's a dark, dark day for girl power.
4:23 am on April 15th, 2010 20
"Whites and black soldiers were the most racist and the most vile human beings I’ve ever dealt with."
Somehow, Tom doesn't strike me as the sort who would "deal" with American Soldiers with anywhere near enough frequency to make this comment worth being taken seriously.
4:34 am on April 15th, 2010 21
Toke a bit slower there Runnungman.
Hold it longer.
But I couldn't help but smile at your list
There is hope for you.
4:38 am on April 15th, 2010 22
I understand, as I saw much the same.
5:35 am on April 15th, 2010 23
This is to Koreans like Tom.
How many Korean born ehtnic minorities are serving in the Korean military?
If there aren't any, why not?
5:35 am on April 15th, 2010 24
Swearing loyality to an organization other than the US Military while serving in uniform is questionable. We readily see the gangs and occasionally read about problems such as the jumping in death in Germany. Being a gang member while serving is wrong. We tend to overlook other organized groups that put the welfare of their members ahead of the military organization. One that is very visible is the masons. Swearing loyality to this organization while serving in the military is also wrong. S and S did publish the story of the beating death of a new recruit during their jumping in ceremony. This organization is being coopted by the Army and receives semi official status on posts. I have yet to see any white supremacists groups in the military but would not be suprised if they existed. All organizations on military bases that do not reflect the population of the military in their membership should be banned.
5:36 am on April 15th, 2010 25
Yeah, kinda reminds me of Koreans.
7:16 am on April 15th, 2010 26
List of "groups" that demand "loyality".
Wicken, Muslums, Christians, Boy scouts/Girl scouts, Democratic Party, Republican Party, Masons.
I'm sure there are many more.
Military is the arm. Not the soul. Loyality should be warned about "outlawing" loyality to other groups outside the Military.
7:19 am on April 15th, 2010 27
Takes a Racist to know a Racist, there Tommy. I'm sure you meet all the qualifications to judge.
8:04 am on April 15th, 2010 28
If you are black or even a shade of black then your posting is quite brave and true. Glad you said it. Does that make you a racist?
Go to Bentleys pub in the Dragon Hill on a weekend. Evaluate and report.
8:06 am on April 15th, 2010 29
How about the support the military gives to the Society of Black Engineers?….no, not racist at all…
9:26 am on April 15th, 2010 30
The dirty little secret is those Mason's you speak of (Prince Hall) are not REAL Masons. They are tolerated or ignored in the name of "inclusiveness". A REAL Mason is not going to have a giant gold Masonic emblem on the back of his BMW. Nor is he going to wear a giant Masonic emblem on a gold chain while hanging at the bar. At the most a REAL Mason might wear his masonic ring (upside down as you view it). You'll never get one to admit any of this in public though. But, it's not a secret either.
9:31 am on April 15th, 2010 31
Has anyone every seen a white male EEO rep?
9:46 am on April 15th, 2010 32
Just a little more than Seung-hui Cho. Oh wait he wasn't in the US military, he was just an angry Tom wanna-be Korean.
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Both were racist murderers but Timothy James McVeigh was a former military service member which the US military identified as substandard and kicked out. The system works pretty well against white supremists so your point is moot.
9:52 am on April 15th, 2010 33
Aren't many of the American service members African American and Spanish-speakers?
10:51 am on April 15th, 2010 34
Yes. For the Army, 15% of all Male officers identify as Black or Hispanic, 30% of all female officers. 30% of all male enlisted and 51% of all female enlisted personnel identify as Black or Hispanic.
12:22 pm on April 15th, 2010 35
I have seen only one white EO rep before, but I was in a unit where the CSM got in trouble for telling a white NCO he could not attend EO school because he was not a minority. So an EO rep isn't always a minority but the vast majority of them are.
2:31 pm on April 15th, 2010 36
Just for shiats and giggles, let's say EO actually means "Equal Opportunity" and let's assume "Equal Opportunity" actually means what any normal-fair minded person thinks it means. Then, let's just throw a number out there, let's say 50% of the military consists of white males. Shouldn't 50% of the EO reps be white males? I rest my case.
Want to do away with perceived "white supremacists"? Eliminate special treatment. As long as you push, there will be someone there to push back. Make the military 100% equal, no special standards, no racial or gender quotas or preferences. Level the playing field and let the chips fall where they may.
2:33 pm on April 15th, 2010 37
Sorry. Posts keep disappearing when they are too deep in replies, once again:
Just for shiats and giggles, let’s say E.O. actually means “Equal Opportunity” and let’s assume “Equal Opportunity” actually means what any normal-fair minded person thinks it means. Then, let’s just throw a number out there, let’s say 50% of the military consists of white males. Shouldn’t 50% of the EO reps be white males? I rest my case.
Want to do away with perceived “white supremacists”? Eliminate special treatment. As long as you push, there will be someone there to push back. Make the military 100% equal, no special standards, no racial or gender quotas or preferences. Level the playing field and let the chips fall where they may.
4:27 pm on April 15th, 2010 38
I agree. I've come into contact with two distinctly different types of Mason's in my life. The first being the chest thumping idiots who tend to treat it as some special mark or something. Their ignored by the rest, relegated to insignificance. The other group tends to keep the membership on the down low, you'd never know it unless you become friends.
4:44 pm on April 15th, 2010 39
Have you noticed any defining characteristics about these two groups. You know, something that seems to really jump out at you?
4:44 pm on April 15th, 2010 40
Your correct Leon, but that would remove the need for NAACP and several prominent black ministers. Well in relations to the military.
The military still does a better job of it then anywhere else, I still remember when I was a bright eyed bushy tailed PVT my DS saying he was color blind. He couldn't see black, white, yellow or red, in fact the only color he could see was green. Took everyone a bit to understand what he was saying.
4:50 pm on April 15th, 2010 41
A very long story made very short: I was told once by a "brown" E7 Platoon Sergeant, (upon showing him my certificate of graduation from EO school) "they never should have gave you that". When I asked why, he knew he had no reason for saying it and stated, "uh uh, because you only like asian women". A fringing E7 said that stupid chit! Just another reason why I COULD NOT WAIT TO RETIRE!
Just for reference, I'm euro-American (white is a color, not a race) and bald, so I shaved the rest off. This caused me some trouble thru the years with my black and brown "brothers" in arms. The fact that I knew the regs and often they didn't, only added insult to injury most of the time.
Again, COULDN'T WAIT TO RETIRE. Get away from the racist idiots the Army so often advances in rank, for reasons other than their "Leadership" abilities. Aviation units are a joke.
5:03 pm on April 15th, 2010 42
@ someotherguy, I knew an E5 like that when I was an E2. We got along great. Then he went to BNCOC. Graduation day he drove thru the gate and they detected an alcohol smell. He was kicked out.
That zero tolerance chit.
5:06 pm on April 15th, 2010 43
Leon—YEA, I have.
5:13 pm on April 15th, 2010 44
In South Africa, they are going about singing songs about killing the white people. Maybe we should adopt such things in the US Army, since white people are bad.
6:06 pm on April 15th, 2010 45
That's not good, I'm Irish and some people mistake us for whites.
6:19 pm on April 15th, 2010 46
7:59 pm on April 15th, 2010 47
Most of the complaints seem to be the reaction that nothing is being said or done about non-white racists and bigots in the military. Well there is some amounts of racism and bigotry in all of us, but I don't think that the policy is trying to address that.
It goes so far as to try to give a working definition of supremacist:
Emphasis is mine.
In other words, don't be a party to criminal bigotry.
I do think that definition could use some work. Especially when you consider that prohibiting the promotion of religious violence could be a problem for some Evangelicals.
5:11 am on April 16th, 2010 48
What kind of religious violence have the Evangelicals done lately?
Being annoying as hell doesn’t count.
Liberals use the word “Christian” like rednecks use the “N” word… Amazing to hear it as an epithet.
7:08 am on April 16th, 2010 49
I thought that most American blacks worshipped the same Christian God as whites?
7:20 am on April 16th, 2010 50
Liberals =/= Atheist.
Conservative =/= Christian.
I know a lot of Liberals who are devout Christians.
7:25 am on April 16th, 2010 51
Actually with the ideology of Jesus, it would make more sense for Christians to be leftist by nature.
8:51 am on April 16th, 2010 52
Really? Enlighten us on how you come to that conclusion please.
9:36 am on April 16th, 2010 53
There tends to be a lot of people of just about every race and ethnic group that sees the other group(s) as racist, while giving their own group a pass.
Guess what. If that's you, then from wherever you stand, you're wrong (see here).
9:39 am on April 16th, 2010 54
C'mon man. Everybody knows Jesus was a hippie commie. He was the first commie.
"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need." Acts 2:44-45
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" Karl Marx
Had he been born in modern times he would have been a community organizer.
12:35 pm on April 19th, 2010 55
Still drunk driving is something that shouldn't ever be allowed to happen. Your not only taking your own life into your hands, but the lives of every single person on the road with you. Driving a vehicle while intoxicated is the exact same as operating a weapons system while intoxicated, both can / will have disastrous results.
Personally .. I fcking *HATE* it that seniors would routinely get away with DUI's, but E6 and below would be burned at the stake. That is the one part of the US Military I hated the most, the constant desire of the higher ups to sweep things under the rug. The reasoning was that it was to make the CoC / NCOSC look like a unified unblemished whole … but everyone knew they were hiding things and it made them look horrible in the process.
12:58 pm on April 19th, 2010 56
We didn't get any bites on that one.
12:42 pm on July 4th, 2010 57
Greetings
Up yours!
White pride, power, and dominion globally.
Should eyes offend then pluck them out fools!