By As long as you are not an illegal Korean immigrant there shouldn’t be any issues:
The measure — set to take effect in late July or early August — would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally. It directs state and local police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal.
“If you look or sound foreign, you are going to be subjected to never-ending requests for police to confirm your identity and to confirm your citizenship,” said Alessandra Soler Meetze, executive director of theAmerican Civil Liberties Union of Arizona, which is exploring legal action. (……………..)
Currently, many U.S. police departments do not ask about people’s immigration status unless they have run afoul of the law in some other way. Many departments say stopping and questioning people will only discourage immigrants from cooperating to solve crimes.
Under the new Arizona law, immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500. That is a significant escalation of the typical federal punishment for being here illegally — deportation. People arrested by Arizona police would be turned over to federal immigration officers. Opponents said the federal government could thwart the law by refusing to accept them. [Associated Press]
The usual suspects are of course going nuts over this claiming discrimination and racial profiling. Here is the silliest critic of all:
Mexican President Felipe Calderon said the law is discriminatory and warned that trade and political ties with Arizona will be seriously strained by the crackdown.
You can read this TIME magazine article on how Mexico treats people who do not have proper immigration documents, plus what do you think would happen in Mexico if you refused to show your passport to a Mexican policeman? It may also be helpful to understand what the people of Arizona are responding to when in recent years Phoenix has become America’s kidnapping capitol:
Phoenix has become the kidnapping capital of the United States, because of illegal immigration and human smuggling, according to the head of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association.
In the past year, there were 359 kidnappings in Phoenix, and not one was legitimate involving a truly innocent victim, said Mark Spencer, head of the union which represents more than 2,500 Phoenix police officers. He said all the kidnappings were connected to illegal immigration and the numbers may represent just the tip of the iceberg.
“The investigators up at the violent crimes bureau are estimating that this 359 represents just one-third of the reported kidnappings that take place in Phoenix,” Spencer said.
The resources needed to handle such cases are immense, Spencer said. He said the violent crimes bureau has exceeded its overtime budget by as much as 300 percent in the past year dealing with illegal immigration. [KTAR News]
Then you add in the fact ranchers along the border are being murdered by illegals and prisons filled with illegal immigrants you can only what the response would be in other countries like Korea if illegals were conducting such activities.
Anyway for those that have never lived in the American Southwest you may not know that on the roads leading from the border there are border patrol checkpoints setup on every road miles away from the border to check for illegal immigrants and drug smugglers that may have gotten passed the first layer of security along the border. The Border Patrol also patrols remote areas far away from the border in order to catch people trying to get around the checkpoints. When in the Southwest my wife had to show her permanent residency card every time at these checkpoints. She didn’t care because she has nothing to hide. However, is this discrimination to ask my wife to prove her immigration status because she looks Asian? If you have something to hide I guess you would say that.
The way I interpret this Arizona law is that if a police officer pulls you over for speeding they ask to see identification verifying your immigration status. Once again like at a Border Patrol checkpoint if you have nothing to hide what’s the big deal? Most of the people claiming discrimination are the same people that don’t want to improve the current system to make it less frustrating, but instead just want to give amnesty to these people that didn’t follow the system to get the proper documents to reside in America in the first place.
As I have explained before, I am all for reforming the immigration system to simplify paperwork and actually staffing the US Bureau of Citizenship Immigration Services with enough people to where they actually care about quality customer service. I once waited on the line with the BCIS for two hours to get helped to only have the guy tell me I needed to talk to another department, which I had just talked to who transferred me to this guy in the first place. I could go on and on with BCIS horror stories, however despite how bad the BCIS is just giving these illegals that broke the law amnesty is a slap in the face of everyone who followed the law.
I mentioned this before over at the Marmot’s, but think the illegal immigrants should not only be fined, but they should also be told they cannot receive any immigration paperwork until they file at the US Embassy in their home country. For example the illegal Korean immigrants should wait two hours in the line that wraps around the US Embassy building surrounded by riot police just like every other Korean immigrant. Plus illegals should not be eligible to receive a proper visa until they pay the fine and if they remain in the US and continue to violate immigration laws than the fine should increase. There would be no need for deportations because illegals would voluntarily go back to their home countries to get their visa status in the proper manner.
However, this all should be incorporated with improvements in the BCIS in regards to the paperwork process and the horrid customer service which makes the TSA folks at the airport seem pleasant in comparison. That is my plan I would love to see if anyone has any better ideas?
3:20 pm on April 26th, 2010 1
"In the past year, there were 359 kidnappings in Phoenix, and not one was legitimate involving a truly innocent victim, said Mark Spencer, head of the union which represents more than 2,500 Phoenix police officers."
Can we get some numbers on 'legitimate' kidnappings for comparison.
3:30 pm on April 26th, 2010 2
It used to be, when the cops stop you while driving, they asked for your license and registration. Now, the unanswered questions for those planning a trip to Arizona are what documents would satisfying to verify your legal status? And what must you carry if you are just walking down the street?
Apparently a driver's license alone won't do because some illegal aliens have gotten driver's licenses. Must everyone carry a passport? Many American citizens don't have a passport.
Arizona is also trying to pass a law that any candidate for political office must have their citizenship verified in that state before they can get their name on a ballot. I wonder if they will accept a short form birth certificate as proof of citizenship.
Arizona has a large native American population and they may look or act foreign enough to some. So, I guess they too will have to be carrying their papers when they leave the reservation. Ironic, isn't it.
3:39 pm on April 26th, 2010 3
'However, is this discrimination to ask my wife to prove her immigration status because she looks Asian?'
if they don't ask YOU to prove your immigration status, then you bet it is. i was born and raised here. why should i have to prove that while you don't? answer: because you're white. that makes it racist. the law will be struck down because of that fact.
4:13 pm on April 26th, 2010 4
As usual, everyone completely missed the real point.
…except Alessandra Soler Meetze, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona, who recognized its existence… but just didn't understand its significance.
"If you look or sound foreign, you are going to be subjected to never-ending requests for police to confirm your identity and to confirm your citizenship"
The key here is to NOT LOOK AND SOUND FOREIGN.
If a foreigner chooses to put out the effort to look, sound and act "American", they probably deserve a short path to citizenship… as they have demonstrated an interest in the goals and values of the country.
This law will mostly target those who flee the sewer that is Latin America yet insist on bringing all the sewage with them.
Off to six months in a desert chain gang repairing roads or picking up trash in national parks… which will make them never want to come back… as opposed to the catch and release program currently in effect.
You go, Arizona!
May the nation follow.
7:05 pm on April 26th, 2010 5
I'm kinda conflicted about this. I know AZ's new immigration policy is at least a necesary evil (with criminal organizations raging all over Mexico just below), but as a former illegal myself, I can't help but wonder about the thousands of illegals who probably lived in that state long enough to see their grand children.
If the law survives court challenges, then the immigration activists must turn their attention to the inefficient mess that is the INS. They have to DEMAND that they speed up the legalization process for illegals already applying for visas or green cards. I can tell you from personal experience that the green card application process was, um, tedious. If memory serves, my family had to wait 4,5 years to be approved. And we were considered oen of the lucky ones. And the LA immigration office was like DMV on crack.
9:34 pm on April 26th, 2010 6
Believe it or not, there are plenty of <a href="http://www.bing.com/search?q=Korean+prostitution+massage+Arizona" rel="nofollow">Koreans in Arizona. I think they're breaking plenty of laws already, though….
9:59 pm on April 26th, 2010 7
Get in line. My wife waited for nine years to get her citizenship.
9:59 pm on April 26th, 2010 8
Just take a paint brush and paint yourself white. Then you won't have any problems. A Russian who landed two minutes ago is more "American" than you, and won't have to carry a passport to go to a convenience store like you do or else end up in jail for six months.
This is all too funny.
10:05 pm on April 26th, 2010 9
The border could have been secured a long time ago. I believe Eisenhower was the last president to actually send illegals enmass back to Mexico.
Americans, especially white Americans, need to get used to the fact that the US is not your country anymore, and it never will be, because there is no political will to make the required changes to stop the invasion.
Arizona's new immigration law is a tiny bump in the road that will be pushed aside soon and it will be the last immigration control legislation this country will see. Any Americans who fight back will be ostracized immediately by our wonderful press. You need to look no further than whats been done to the Tea Party movement to understand this.
10:05 pm on April 26th, 2010 10
Arrest all the tourists too for not carrying papers!
Not that I really care what goes on there. But I just want to point out that this is just a glimpse of what kind of tyranny will be put in place after the Great American economic collapse happens in the future. It's going to get much much worse, this is nothing.
10:27 pm on April 26th, 2010 11
Tom…Go to SLEEP for a long time.
10:56 pm on April 26th, 2010 12
Actually the Border Patrol when my wife has to show her permanent residency card sometimes asks to see my ID as well. I guess you want the Border Patrol to quit doing their jobs because it is racist to check for illegal immigrants?
I will more than happy pull out my ID and show to authorities that want to check it. Once again if you have nothing to hide what's the problem?
10:56 pm on April 26th, 2010 13
Oh, you mean like requiring everyone to have a national identity card? A card not only used for verifying national identity, but will be required for official transactions, and increasingly for personal and private activity identity verification for things like on-line commentary.
I remember hearing about something like that somewhere before. Where was that?
11:21 pm on April 26th, 2010 14
Now Joe you are now using Big Brother scare tactics. You already have a form of a national ID card, it is called your Social Security card. You don't see websites needing your SS# in order to comment on blogs or Amazon demanding a SS# to make a purchase.
You have to use your Social Security number for just about anything dealing with the government though. Some states require to get a Driver's License that you bring in your Social Security card to confirm you are not an illegal. If the government wanted to make a national ID card based around your SS# I would have no problem with it. The Social Security cards they issue now are not very durable and easily wear out.
Once again if you have nothing to hide what's the problem?
11:28 pm on April 26th, 2010 15
I guess as long as you're white, you won't have any problems. This doesn't effect you and it has nothing to do with you.
11:46 pm on April 26th, 2010 16
GI Korea, maybe I was being too subtle. If you reread what I wrote, it was actually a response to Tom's prediction of coming tyranny in the USA.
I was suggesting that he may be able to find an example of that tyranny closer to home by looking at how the Korean national identity card is being used.
I guess in the future I will have to be more explicit.
11:53 pm on April 26th, 2010 17
P.S. A far as a social security card, I don't even remember what one looks like. I haven't had a physical card for nearly 40 years. Does anyone actually carry one?
12:32 am on April 27th, 2010 18
JoeC, does anyone carry one. Carry No. In the desk. I carry a drivers license, gun permit and bank card. No pictures. Business cards for the doctor and lawyer I also carry.
12:37 am on April 27th, 2010 19
GI,
What do innocent people have to fear.
Just last weekend a person born in the U.S. was detained by ICE for 4 hours.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/91769419.html
4 hours is kind of short. Here are two instances of people born in the United States held for between 10-14 months.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-07-27/news/172188…
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/01/24/25392/immig…
ICE deporting someone in spite of a court order not to
http://rokdrop.com/2009/10/01/former-marine-wins-…
How about U.S. citizens getting deported
http://www.aolnews.com/story/records-ignored-in-m…
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/aug/08/local/me-…
I can google search more articles. Including ones that tell how those who are detained by ICE are kept from contacting family or seeking legal help. Citizens and legal immigrants have been caught up in that nightmare.
Plus both you and I have our less than stellar personal experiences with Immigration.
Our immigration system is busted without a doubt, but the agency in charge of it is totally incompetent. Innocent people are going to have their lives ruined and we'll still have the illegal immigrants.
12:44 am on April 27th, 2010 20
My wife and I got hassled by INS coming back from Tijuana. The agent at the border was fine with my military ID but questioned my wife a little further. He asked her where she was from. She gave a technically accurate but unfortunate answer (Korea). After she got tounge tied and he stopped me from helping her, the agent asked if she was a resident. She managed to get out she was a naturalized citizen and we got to go back to The Land of The Free.
Actually extra attention to Asians here makes some sense given Chinese illegals have a penchant for landing in Mexico and heading north. As to the notion this is racist, all I have to say is if there were 22 million Swedes or Frenchmen hiding within our borders, I would be more than happy for them to get booted out too. As it is I like when illegal Euros get popped too.
3:09 am on April 27th, 2010 21
Koreans talking about the injustices of racism and immigration, what a joke. This is especially pathetic since Koreans don't even want nonKoreans living in Korea Towns in the US!
I love how Koreans will point out how racist "white" Americans are, but then completely ignore the history of KOREAN IMMIGRANTS dicriminating against African-American citizens and the tension thier discrimination created between the two groups.
Remember the KOREAN IMMIGRANT in the US complaining about Little Bangladesh in LA I think it was? I remember she said something to the effect that Korea Town was "already established" or something like that and "why were they there?" If that isn't racism, I don't know what is! Funny, it wasn't a white person who said it, it was yellow person!
Anyone who has spent more than a month in Korea can see a large percentage of Koreans don't like darker skinned peoples. This includes Koreans with darker skin too. You know, the "country people" of Korea.
Try this Koreans and those who deserve the name gyopo draft dodgers…
Compare Korea's immigration/refugee laws to America's. Please show me the differences. And yes, America is not without sin and many were wronged, EVERYONE knows this, at least that is admitted. A Korean like Tom commenting on this crap is hilarious.
How many non ethnic Korean refugees has Korea accepted anyways? How many?
If a foreigner has a baby in Korea, does that baby automatically become a Korean citizen? What about the US?
How many minorities who immigrated to, or were born and raised in Korea have become multimillionaires, high level politicians, high ranking military leaders or memebers of the military in general, full professors etc.. compared to that of the US? How many?
The US ain't perfect and much needs to be improved, but would an immigrant/refugee of any color have better a chance for success/social mobility in Korea or the US?
I guess in the end, Koreans are just morally superior to the rest of the world, that's why they don't discriminate against people like Americans do-except Korean-Americans of course!
Only non Koreans and especially "white" people are racist, just ask Hines Ward's mother.
4:44 am on April 27th, 2010 22
On a similar note, take a look at how Mexico deals with illegals. Its arguably worse than the situation in Korea. And don't think for a second Central American illegals can take to the streets and demand rights. Oh, no. They have none. The police would just wade into such a crowd, crack some skulls and everyone would eventually be shipped back to wherever they came from. I've noted this to pro-illegal immigration people a couple times. Those who are aware of this acknowledge it, rationalize it (often in bigoted terms) and then emphatically state Americans wanting to stop illegal immigration are ten time worse. Definitely a one way street.
5:50 am on April 27th, 2010 23
In the name of: equality, political correctness, doing the right thing, justice, brotherly love, or what ever you want to call it – America is giving away the country and way-of-life an earlier generations of Americans fought and died for. Those who say America, and we know it, is doomed may be right.
However, whom ever or what color takes control of American will not be as concerned about minority rights as the present America has been.
A good example may be the military – In the name of brotherlhy love let's change everything to please the homosexuals and affirmatively promote individuals who are not qualified.
7:46 am on April 27th, 2010 24
Was your Chinese coolie grandfather legal or illegal? Answer that and prove that he was legal!
8:11 am on April 27th, 2010 25
BUT, GI Korea, that's not how this law is written. If Arizona passed that kind of law, there will be no furor about it. (For example, New Jersey has a law that says the police can ask about the immigration status during a traffic stop. No one really cares about that.) Instead, AZ passed the broadest possible law — for ANY lawful contact with the law enforcement, the police can demand the proof of citizenship.
I don't think that arguing "if you have nothing to hide what’s the problem?" is appropriate in this situation. That question can lend itself to justifying a very dangerous slippery slope, because it can pretty much justify any intrusive law enforcement tactics. Why not have a wiretap every corner of the streets? That will sure as heck help tracking down criminals and terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem? (I am not saying that you are taking this position — I'm just saying that your logic, extended to its conclusion, can be dangerous.)
The problem is that, in a society that believes in privacy and no more intrusion of the law into personal lives than necessary, this type of law that amply lends itself to harassment cannot exist.
10:11 am on April 27th, 2010 26
I used getting pulled over for speeding as an example of lawful contact. The way I read the law is that the police officer cannot just walk up to and say, "Hey you look Mexican show me your ID". The person would have be detained by the police after committing some violation or crime such as speeding or robbing someone.
The police are not wiretapping street corners and they are not grabbing random people off the street to interrogate. They are simply asking people to show their immigration status after conducting routine police functions like catching speeders.
Also it is not a privacy issue to be asked to provide something as basic as a ID after you committed a violation or crime. It seems like common sense to me. Once again if you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?
10:20 am on April 27th, 2010 27
But, for example, a <a href="http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Stop+and+Frisk" rel="nofollow">Stop-and-Frisk is a lawful contact. And the AZ law essentially adds "immigration status" as a reason to stop-and-frisk someone. That's precisely "Hey you look Mexican, show me your ID."
10:22 am on April 27th, 2010 28
Want to harass those neighbors in the trailer park who probably never had a passport or driver's license? Just anonymously call in a report suspicious activity. That ought to be fun.
10:27 am on April 27th, 2010 29
BTW, what do they do with the homeless on the streets?
12:06 pm on April 27th, 2010 30
Interesting. What we have here is a group of folks basically stating if people from a minority group commit a specific crime not common or even non-existent among other groups (particularly majority groups) that criminal action is a protected right. Very sad….
12:48 pm on April 27th, 2010 31
And what exactly is wrong with requiring proof of identification? Damn near every country in the world already does this, usually through some form of government ID card. The SSN system isn't very good currently because its limited to nine digits, so we're having to constantly recycle numbers. We need to update it with a true 12 digit or larger number with photos and your thumb print on the back. Doesn't need to be too fancy but it should be cheap. Passports work too, but their for traveling outside the US and not really designed to be carried by everyone.
Currently the police can check to see if you have any outstanding warrents, are intoxicated, or are committing a crime during any lawful contact. I would think checking immigration would fall into the committing a crime..
1:48 am on April 28th, 2010 32
"You can read this TIME magazine article on how Mexico treats people who do not have proper immigration documents, plus what do you think would happen in Mexico if you refused to show your passport to a Mexican policeman?"
Following that logic…
You can read this TIME magazine related article on how Canada treats gays who want to get married, plus what do you think would happen in Canada if you were gay and wanted to serve in the military?
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/12/21/newsmak…
In other words, that part of you're argument is based on a logical fallacy.
2:40 am on April 28th, 2010 33
I agree w/ JohnT.
If 500,000 illegal aliens in Korea… Russians, Pakistani, Cambodians, Vietnamese, etc. one day assembled in Seoul demanding amnesty and rights as happened here in America a few days ago the South Korean authorities would crack down and arrest as many of them as possible and deport them all but not before inserting nightsticks up their rectums.
The truth is that for all its imperfections the US system is extremely generous… Mexican illegals come here, have kids, and rely on these "anchor" babies not to get deported… well-to-do Korean mothers go on "birth tours" and have their children here, only to return to the USA w/ their babies and newly printed US citizenship certificates… etc.
Mexican law (I can provide links if you want) contain clauses that would never fly here in America because the ACLU and other liberal groups would denounce them as fascist and racist, but which says that the Mexican government has the sovereign right to summarily and to immediately deport any illegal aliens, "and without necessity of judicial proceedings, all foreigners whose stay it judges inconvenient." And it further states that "the admission to the country (Mexico) of a foreigner obliges him to strictly comply with the conditions established for him in the immigration permit and the dispositions established by the respective laws."
(Quoted parts are direct translation of the Spanish originals.)
I'm not as familiar with Korean immigration law, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were similarly strict.
In fact, let's go further. Recently RokDrop linked a story to that 83-year-old Korean woman, an illegal alien, who got medical care and didn't pay. I showed this to a friend who resides in Korea, by email. She responded by saying that in Korea if you're illegal and/or if you can't pay, the hospitals won't even take you in.
In summary: yes, America's system and institutions have flaws, but they are, and can be, very, VERY generous. My senior citizen, US-citizen Korea-born parents agree.
2:50 am on April 28th, 2010 34
correction: "as happened here in America a few YEARS ago"
9:51 am on April 28th, 2010 35
Correction 2: “well-to-do Korean mothers go on “birth tours” and have their children here, only to return to SOUTH KOREA w/ their babies and newly printed US citizenship certificates…”
I should review my posts. :/
5:23 pm on April 28th, 2010 36
Your comment is based on a logical fallacy because I don’t know what you are talking about and what gays in Canada have to do with anything. Now back to the subject at hand, the Mexican government is hypocritical to criticize US illegal immigration enforcement when they treat their own illegal immigrants much harsher than the US.
6:33 pm on May 6th, 2010 37
As a Korean-American, I much rather carry something similar to ROK National ID card in my wallet than US Passport or US Naturalization paper when I go TDY or vacation to AZ. As US citizen, I should not be required to carry passport/naturalization paper in my own country. It is sad that I have to carry it when I am in AZ. I thought AZ was part of USA which is covered by the 4th admendment rights.
GI, at least your wife showed her Alien Residence Card which is small enough to carry in her wallet.
Sure, it is easy to support this law as long as you are not the one who would be targeted. So far, I have not seen any AZ Hispanic politicians nor Hispanic Law Enforcement Officers supporting this new law in the media. If the law is targeting certain racial/ethnic group, then it requires support and cooperation from the community leadership.
Most of White people told me same thing "If you got nothing to hide, then you got nothing to worry about." About 68 years ago, the White people said the exact same thing when the Government start rounding up Japanese US citiznes into concentration camps while Germans and Italians were staying home. "If you look like enemy, then you are the enemy."
6:46 pm on May 6th, 2010 38
I am worried because I was born in the US. I have a US passport, have my retired military ID card, but I have been identified as an ordinary resident of Korea by CCK. Will I be deported if I go to Arizona?
11:58 pm on May 6th, 2010 39
"White people said the exact same thing when the Government start rounding up Japanese US citiznes into concentration camps while Germans and Italians were staying home."
That is absolutely false. West Coast Japanese and East Coast German and Italian immigrants were put in internment camps.
4:26 am on May 7th, 2010 40
MAJ K,
Stop being a racial whiner!
You know what the determining factor will be?
It will be how you dress and act… and, mostly, how well you speak English.
Law enforcement has a nose for these things… just like how town patrol mostly knows who is a GI and who is a teacher… via a thousand clues from haircut to attitude.
Once observed, you will be sized up by what you are doing, how you dress and how you act. If you bring attention to yourself by looking "foreign" (rather than stupid, trendy or sh!tbaggy… which is OK), you will be approached.
Ten seconds after opening your mouth, if you speak English with no foreign accent, AZ law enforcement will assume you are an American citizen and, regardless of skin color or ethnic background, you will not be given a second thought.
On your way, citizen.
If you speak with an accent, you will face further scrutiny.
This is exactly how it should be, by the way.
Americans speak with slight and recognizable accents.
Naturalized Americans can be graded on how interested they are in being American by how much effort they put into learning the attitudes, mannerism and de facto language of America.
Most of this "discrimination" that is being discussed over this AZ law is meaningless agenda-driven yapping perpetuated by pro-Reconquista Mexican nationalists who are more interested in SW America changing into Mexico than illegal Mexican immigrants becoming "American".
Tired of getting hassled, naturalized citizen?
Put enough effort into showing that you are so committed to America that you seamlessly assimilate to the "look and feel" of America.
Otherwise, shut the fuuck up and show your papers upon request.
Interestingly, when traveling through a checkpoint in NM with my VERY Korean wife, she was asked if she was an American citizen.
Not wanting to be hassled (after an unpleasant experience in the San Francisco airport where she got the "are you sure you aren't coming here to be a prostitute" treatment) she smirked incredulously and said, "Of course."
Two words of English… but with a very American attitude.
She speaks English with almost no accent (and even likes to speak in Texas and British accents when dicking with people).
When she said this, I cringed inside… imagining the legal horrors I was about to face when they asked for some ID just to be sure. They waved us through.
While she has no green card and has no desire to be an American resident or citizen, our marriage has given her some motivation to culturally and linguisticly assimilate to American culture… meaning she can pass for an "American" with ease.
So I know it can be done… even by someone who has never lived in America and doesn't even want to live in America… and is rather Korean nationalistic and feels America is overrated (which is worthy of a long post in itself).
Despite all the generated "outrage" from those who don't wish to put forth any effort to become "American", skin color and ethnic background will be a small part of how AZ law enforcement determines who is an American citizen and who isn't.
My advice to all the third-world peasant shitbags bitching about how they are going to be somehow discriminated against is to show their commitment to America by observing Americans and emulating their actions, speaking and values.
And, in my book, if they do that, they are pretty much welcome to stay even if they ARE illegal aliens.
I hope this makes sense. I partied pretty hard tonight.
4:27 am on May 7th, 2010 41
MAJ K,
Stop being a racial whiner!
You know what the determining factor will be?
It will be how you dress and act… and, mostly, how well you speak English.
Law enforcement has a nose for these things… just like how town patrol mostly knows who is a GI and who is a teacher… via a thousand clues from haircut to attitude.
Once observed, you will be sized up by what you are doing, how you dress and how you act. If you bring attention to yourself by looking "foreign" (rather than stupid, trendy or sh!tbaggy… which is OK), you will be approached.
Ten seconds after opening your mouth, if you speak English with no foreign accent, AZ law enforcement will assume you are an American citizen and, regardless of skin color or ethnic background, you will not be given a second thought.
On your way, citizen.
If you speak with an accent, you will face further scrutiny.
This is exactly how it should be, by the way.
Americans speak with slight and recognizable accents.
Naturalized Americans can be graded on how interested they are in being American by how much effort they put into learning the attitudes, mannerism and de facto language of America.
Most of this "discrimination" that is being discussed over this AZ law is meaningless agenda-driven yapping perpetuated by pro-Reconquista Mexican nationalists who are more interested in SW America changing into Mexico than illegal Mexican immigrants becoming "American".
Tired of getting hassled, naturalized citizen?
Put enough effort into showing that you are so committed to America that you seamlessly assimilate to the "look and feel" of America.
Otherwise, shut the fuuck up and show your papers upon request.
Interestingly, when traveling through a checkpoint in NM with my VERY Korean wife, she was asked if she was an American citizen.
Not wanting to be hassled (after an unpleasant experience in the San Francisco airport where she got the "are you sure you aren't coming here to be a prosttitute" treatment) she smirked incredulously and said, "Of course."
She speaks English with almost no accent (and even likes to speak in Texas and British accents when diicking with people).
When she said this, I cringed inside… imagining the legal horrors I was about to face when they asked for some ID just to be sure. They waved us through.
While she has no green card and has no desire to be an American resident or citizen, our marriage has given her some motivation to culturally and linguisticly assimilate to American culture… meaning she can pass for an "American" with ease.
So I know it can be done… even by someone who has never lived in America and doesn't even want to live in America… and is rather Korean nationalistic and feels America is overrated (which is worthy of a long post in itself).
Despite all the generated "outrage" from those who don't wish to put forth any effort to become "American", skin color and ethnic background will be a small part of how AZ law enforcement determines who is an American citizen and who isn't.
My advice to all the third-world peasant shitbags bitching about how they are going to be somehow discriminated against is to show their commitment to America by observing Americans and emulating their actions, speaking and values.
And, in my book, if they do that, they are pretty much welcome to stay even if they ARE illegal aliens.
I hope this makes sense. I partied pretty hard tonight.
1:14 am on May 9th, 2010 42
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1:21 am on May 9th, 2010 43
Well said CH. Well said.