By You just got to love how the Chinese are ripping off the Russians:
China now competes with Russia in lucrative international arms markets by offering Russian knock-offs at bargain prices, or, without the onerous restrictions often imposed by Moscow. “Chinese manufacturers are producing either more completely indigenous advanced weapons systems or more defense technologies, sub-systems, and other essential components that Chinese manufactures can insert directly into foreign-made systems.”
Chinese firms adroitness at reverse engineering foreign technology is well known. A case in point: the Chinese built J-11B fighter. Russia gave the Chinese the designs to the Sukhoi-27 fighter in 1995 after the Chinese agreed to purchase 200 kits to produce it under local license. In 2004, after building 100 planes, the Chinese cancelled the contract for the remaining fighters, claiming they no longer met Chinese requirements. Soon after, the knock off J-11B began appearing for sale on international markets. [Defense Tech]
You can read more at the link, but the Russians were foolish to sell any advanced weaponry to the Chinese in the first place knowing how they reverse engineer everything sold to them.
9:58 pm on May 9th, 2010 1
Say Hello to what used to be IBMs Lenovo.
1:08 am on May 10th, 2010 2
I'm guessing they use lead free paint on those fighters.
1:09 am on May 10th, 2010 3
It is a pretty kick ass British racing green.
1:33 am on May 10th, 2010 4
Makes you wonder if foreign companies should be eager to break into the Chinese market.
8:05 am on May 10th, 2010 5
J-11B is available on international markets? Since when? My understanding is that J-11B is for the PLAAF only, not for sale on the international markets.
And what's wrong with reverse engineering? Of course the Russians would have liked the Chinese to keep buying these from them (yet they don't want to sell the best they have to the Chinese, for a good reason I guess). This is what sets China and India apart, China eventually builds its own after dissecting these Russian toys while India keeps on buying.
8:50 am on May 10th, 2010 6
Did the former USSR really believe that the Chinese would not steal their Tecnology?
9:33 am on May 10th, 2010 7
The Russian cosmonaut in Armageddon must have been wrong when he said. "Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!"
9:51 am on May 10th, 2010 8
I think the same question must be asked from your government as well.
The Chinese practically stole all your military technology including the space shuttle via Chinese Americans.
At least the Russians got some money out of it.
9:53 am on May 10th, 2010 9
They sold those to Pakistan.
10:23 am on May 10th, 2010 10
Chinese space shuttle? When does that launch?
11:35 am on May 10th, 2010 11
No argument from me TOM.
11:38 am on May 10th, 2010 12
Pictures of their space shuttle being tested were released in 2007. In any case, I'm guessing, like anything NASA does these days, 20 years after the initial deadline.
11:48 am on May 10th, 2010 13
Name was the Buron. Late 80s. Flew unmanned. Was destroyed after the USSR "changed" it's name, when the hanger collapsed. Poor maintace.
Was nearly identical to ours, on the outside. Too bad it didn't compete with ours due to the collapse of the USSR. If it had, we might still have a viable space program next year. Instead of paying 56 billion per astronaut to Russia for a "lift" to the ISS next year.
Pisses me off.
1:09 pm on May 10th, 2010 14
I heard a story awhile back that the US agreed to help Israel design an F-16-level fighter called the Lavi. Israel cancels with a couple prototypes already built. Sometime later, China decides to make its J-10 fighter, which has an eery similarity to the Lavi.
China and Israel denied involvement w/each other, but several Russian engineers on the J-10 project allege that Israel sold a prototype to China. Don't know if it's true, but wouldn't be too surprised if it was (and another reason not to sell Israel the F-22).
1:57 pm on May 10th, 2010 15
I'm talking about the Chinese shuttle Tom was referring to. I'd like to see it!
The Buran flew once… But that was USSR not PRC.
2:05 pm on May 10th, 2010 16
China never had a shuttle that I heard of. Sorry. Too focused on USSR.
2:18 pm on May 10th, 2010 17
The Russians were long noted for stealing western technology and making massive copies of junk look alikes. Now they sell the same to the Chinese who steal the technology again and make worse copies.
The only issue is the growing and eventual maturing of the industries that build the stuff. They learn as they grow and will someday produce top quality merchandise.
The Ruskies seem to be on the decline in this area, while the Chinese are moving up.
2:26 pm on May 10th, 2010 18
Actually, Retired GI, they do have a shuttle.
http://www.dailyaviator.com/?p=1481
2:27 pm on May 10th, 2010 19
That's the thing, I'm not sure if the shuttle I mention above is real of fake.
5:40 pm on May 10th, 2010 20
"…small unmanned Chinese air-launched space plane…"
Is not exactly what I think of as a shuttle, as in the US shuttle fleet, as in some of the most complex machines ever to fly.
8:47 pm on May 10th, 2010 21
Tat-ta..!
Chinese Shuttle..
https://bcsengage.wikispaces.com/file/view/buran_…
Thanks to you guys.
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-cau…
And now that you guys are bankrupt and can't afford to send anybody over to space, the Chinese are the sole hope of mankind's dream of conquering the space.
11:23 pm on May 10th, 2010 22
Right again TOM. I just love the "hope and change" that we elected
5:14 am on May 11th, 2010 23
I see a picture of the Soviet (Russian) shuttle "Buran" from the 80's. I see a story where more Chinese scientists are spies in the aerospace industry. No surprise there.
Where is the CHINESE shuttle you keep going on about. You do know the difference between the USSR (now Russian Federation) and PRC (China) right?
"…the Chinese are the sole hope of mankind’s dream of conquering the space."
How so? I think the Russians have them beat hands down. They have potential but they've done very little by comparison. Are you THAT racist?
You're right about the US losing dominance though and that is embarrassing but it's simply mismanagement not lack of technical ability. The NASA budget for the entire year amounts to the cost of 3 days in Iraq. Imagine what NASA could do with say, 15 days in Iraq funding.
Of course in the US we also have short sighted folks, who remind me of you, whining about spending the money "here where the problems are" instead of investing in the future.
5:52 pm on May 11th, 2010 24
Kinda funny … their copying stuff made from tech 20~40 years old. Just FYI, the F-16 class fighters are technically retired but we still keep some around cause of cost issues. Hell the Navy’s talking about replacing their F/A-18′s already. Between aircraft and missile tech, no other country comes remotely close to the USA.
We just flat outspend everyone on R&D.