By Here is an update from the “birther” front:
In case you missed it on Friday, Army Lt. Col. Terry Lakin appeared on CNN to explain why he’s inviting a court-martial after an exemplary 18-year military career over conspiracy theories concerning President Barack Obama’s birth certificate.
Or, at least that’s what the American Patriot Foundation promised the interview would be about. In reality, the eight-minute segment was essentially just a heated argument between anchor Anderson Cooper and Lakin’s lawyer, Paul Jensen.
Last month Lakin had his Pentagon pass revoked and his Army laptop confiscated after refusing to report to Fort Campbell in Kentucky for deployment preparation and releasing a series of online rants questioning Obama’s birth certificate. [Stripes Central]
It is pretty clear that this guy is putting his own personal political beliefs ahead of his own military responsibilities, which is screwing over some other soldier that will have to deploy in his place.
11:39 am on May 18th, 2010 1
Rather foolish to risk throwing away his pension to make a "statement". Wonder how his wife feels about this as she stands to lose as much.
11:59 am on May 18th, 2010 2
His lawyer is an annoying sh!t. This guy either has a political or racial vendetta with Obama.
12:11 pm on May 18th, 2010 3
"Last month Lakin had his Pentagon pass revoked and his Army laptop confiscated after refusing to report to Fort Campbell in Kentucky for deployment preparation and releasing a series of online rants questioning Obama’s birth certificate. "
Everything seems so much clearer to me.
12:20 pm on May 18th, 2010 4
"Do you honestly believe…" I don't think he does. I think this is just the case of another very smart guy who's using the media to get what he wants (if it was up to me, I wouldn't send him back unless I couldn't find anyone else since he's already done his tour and he's close to retirement).
12:27 pm on May 18th, 2010 5
I wonder how an enlisted soldier would be treated under these circumstances?
12:29 pm on May 18th, 2010 6
Oh, and if Obama releases his signed birth certificate, they'll be asking for his freshman term papers next.
12:30 pm on May 18th, 2010 7
He wouldn't be given the time of day by the media, for starters.
12:56 pm on May 18th, 2010 8
True enough. Only commissioned officers are allowed to have moral crisis.
1:09 pm on May 18th, 2010 9
Wait 'till he finds out that Obama's Social Security number begins with digits reserved for Connecticut rather than Hawaii.
1:13 pm on May 18th, 2010 10
The guy's obviously a mental case. Hope he enjoys his new life in the private sector, trying to find a job, after throwing away a potential retirement check every month and so publicly revealing himself to have shockingly poor judgement.
1:59 pm on May 18th, 2010 11
He'll publish a book, become a speaker at teabagger events and be invited to join a conservative think tank. He'll be fine.
2:15 pm on May 18th, 2010 12
Seems more like he doesn't want to go back to Afghanistan. It's either break your own leg or take this approach.
3:27 pm on May 18th, 2010 13
LTC Lakin does not have the right to decide which laws, regulation, and orders that he should obey. Since he has chosen not to obey his orders and has invited a court martial, well give it to him. If & when he is convicted then do to him what they would do to an enlisted troop, i.e. bust his piper down to PV1 and give him a dishonoralble discharge with no benefits. I am concerned that President Obama wont release his long form birth certificate but let LTC Lakin take that issue to court if he so chooses. LTC Lakin is a disgrace to the uniform.
4:46 pm on May 18th, 2010 14
If you are unable to think for yourself, watch Anderson Cooper he'll tell you what and how to think.
5:49 pm on May 18th, 2010 15
LTC Lakin is a disgrace. The right thing to do is shut up and soldier on, regardless of who the president is — just like everyone did for 8 years of the Clinton presidency. He doesn't have the ba11s to abide by his oath of office.
6:07 pm on May 18th, 2010 16
This guy can't seriously believe in what he is doing. He has to be playing some sort of angle but I just cant for the life me figure it out. I saw his rants on youtube, and it convinced me more that he doesn't believe what he is saying. I wonder what angle could be worth throwing away such a sterling career.
6:23 pm on May 18th, 2010 17
I hate to disagree, but I thought that Anderson Cooper was a total ass in this interview and one-sided as hell. If the guy has a problem and brings it up, then he will face a court martial, but he is allowed discovery and that will surely be a copy of the live birth certificate signed by a Dr. in Hawaii. If the State doesn't produce it, then he will probably be found not guilty because of the failure to discover. If they do hand one over, then he will be found guilty. That is the beauty of the UCMJ, right?
However, I do find it odd, that the State refuses to produce the document. hmmmmm. What if?
6:31 pm on May 18th, 2010 18
Indeed. Anyone who would question anything related to the Dear Leader is crazy.
I, for one, welcome our socialist overlords.
6:32 pm on May 18th, 2010 19
Anyone who questions anything about Our Dear Leader is crazy. Lock him up.
8:35 pm on May 18th, 2010 20
If this guy really believes in what he's saying, then he's doing the right thing. It takes courage to do that and in line with Army Values, so he is doing service to the uniform.
I recall this oath: "…I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States…" Obeying orders comes AFTER that, so IF he is right, then he shouldn't be punished, but of course, the stakes are painfully high if he's wrong.
I'm not a "birther", but there are enough lingering questions to cast some doubt. And IF the President is committed to transparency (thus far he hasn't been, unsurprisingly) then this is an easy fix.
11:28 pm on May 18th, 2010 21
Sesame Seed, I wholeheartedly concur. Its fine and dandy to disagree with the natural born citizen kerfuffle surrounding Obama. But if you're in the military and somehow believe the legitimacy of the orders you have been given are tainted, you have a duty to point it out and perhaps even refuse the orders. Anything else is unadulterated careerism.
12:10 am on May 19th, 2010 22
Obama's birth certificate has nothing to do with it. He refused orders to deploy. Period. That's what the court martial will focus on. If they allow anything into to the trial about his birth certificate, they will open a Pandora's Box of ridiculous reasons to disobey orders. We can't have a military that can second guess and refuse orders like that. Try him, bust him, toss him. He's had his 15 minutes. He'll be forgotten as soon as he's out of the gates.
12:23 am on May 19th, 2010 23
Why on earth would he be allowed discovery?
The law is very clear — even if Obama is a lying cheating usurper, Lakin's orders to deploy were valid and he had to obey them. Any evidence concerning Obama is completely irrelevant to Lakin's guilt or innocence, and has no place at the court-martial.
I can't imagine what Lakin thinks he's going to accomplish. Maybe he's a poor deluded fool being taken advantage of by manipulative people with an agenda.
But he has violated the law and deserves severe punishment.
2:26 am on May 19th, 2010 24
Pointing it out is one thing; disobeying is another.
This is not taking place in a vacuum. There is plenty of law and precedent on the question of what makes certain orders illegal, and an order such as the one Lakin got to deploy is legal even if the president is occupying his office through fraud. Situations like this are covered by the de factor officer doctrine.
Someone is guilty of encouraging LTC Lakin to do something really foolish.
5:07 am on May 19th, 2010 25
Lakin may very well get locked up, but it won't be for asking questions.
Asking questions is legal. Disobeying orders is not.
5:36 am on May 19th, 2010 26
Please post the orders Lakin received. Based on your comments you have obviously seen them.
5:40 am on May 19th, 2010 27
Would you obey an order given by an illegal alien?
6:10 am on May 19th, 2010 28
I believe I've seen the orders online, and I will continue to look for them.
But in the mean time, I can point you to the counseling letter he received — http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/news/thre… — which states, in part:
"This counseling is to inform you that your deployment orders are presumed to be valid and lawful orders issued by competent military authority. You are reminded of your duty to obey these lawful orders … Failure … may result in adverse action including a court-martial."
6:31 am on May 19th, 2010 29
If the orders were otherwise lawful, and the person giving them was in a position of authority — even if the person had attained the position illegally — then yes, one has a legal obligation to obey them.
Read up on the "de facto officer doctrine." It's been part of the law for a long time, and it explains why LTC Lakin will not be permitted to even argue Obama's eligibility in his court-martial.
I think you'll have trouble finding a single military lawyer who will tell you anything different.
6:37 am on May 19th, 2010 30
The orders can be found here:
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/images/st…
8:02 am on May 19th, 2010 31
Was George W. Bush committed to transparency? No. So, why didn't he question his orders the first time he was sent to Afghanistan?
8:03 am on May 19th, 2010 32
How about orders based on a lie? They haven't found those weapons of mass destruction, have they?
8:06 am on May 19th, 2010 33
One of they things he was supposed to bring was a copy of his birth certificate……
8:34 am on May 19th, 2010 34
Political, sure. But I think the onus is on you to demonstrate why it would be a racial one.
I, for one, haven't seen my own birth certificate since we moved out of Compton. If I ever had to produce one, it would be the same type of thing that the City and County of Honolulu produces, except from the County of Los Angeles.
8:55 am on May 19th, 2010 35
Jawohl.
"Take those people over into that ditch and take care of them"
- Lt William Calley, My Lai, 1968
8:58 am on May 19th, 2010 36
They were all neatly stacked up in warehouses built on tree lined streets, catalogued, by type, size, and manufacturer.
Iraq and most of the Moslem world is very orderly and neat, and the Iraqis under Saddam Hussein wouldn't have DREAMED of doing anything in cahoots with their neighbors. For that would have been wrong!
9:23 am on May 19th, 2010 37
Actually they have, quite a few of them. A lot of what was found was old stock that he either convieniently overlooked are geniuinely lost track of.
In addition, Saddam had active chemical and nuclear programs and there is significant evidense of a bio program. Most of what he did was research with a latent manufacuring capability which was in violation of the terms given in the first Gulf War.
What he wasn't doing was mass manufacture of WMD which you confuse with not having an illegal program and the left continues to harp on.
10:07 am on May 19th, 2010 38
Nice try, but the law doesn't work that way. The orders to kill at My Lai were illegal on their face and should have been disobeyed.
Orders to deploy are in a different category. Look up the "de facto officer doctrine" instead of making things up.
10:27 am on May 19th, 2010 39
This shit used to happen in Rome all the time…
10:57 am on May 19th, 2010 40
Haha short form birth certificated or a certified copy of such is acceptable as a proper document. Most state hospitals do not release long form birth certificates and keep them locked up in an archive. Only the person their pertaining to can receive them, its a privacy thing.
President Obama will not at any time release the long form, doing so would simply acknowledge that that the birthers have a point which they do not. Its all really just a political farce to fool ignorant people. Kinda sad when your opposition must stoop so low as to create mud to fling at you because they can't find any laying around.
11:05 am on May 19th, 2010 41
He violated his oath as an officer as well as disobeying a lawful order. This was about him getting out of a deployment rotation for whatever reason. He most likely is working with someone in GOP to create a media circus and after this is over with they'll have a job for him lined up.
11:27 am on May 19th, 2010 42
Because President Bush is a clearly natural born citizen. Obama…well, things are a little uncertain.
11:33 am on May 19th, 2010 43
Oh, really? What proof of Bush's natural born citizenship have you seen?
1:47 pm on May 19th, 2010 44
I won't believe it until he presents his Texas certificate of live birth. Oh, he wasn't born in Texas, you say…The plot thickens.
2:04 pm on May 19th, 2010 45
"there is significant evidense of a bio program."
Oh, you mean the chemical weapons that they learned to use more effectively from…cough cough…the CIA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_…
2:18 pm on May 19th, 2010 46
TD,
CIA passed some Chemical. The nukes, bio programs, and a lot of their chemical program was all home grown with some Nork, Russian, and Chinese assistance.
3:09 pm on May 19th, 2010 47
"Oh, really? What proof of Bush’s natural born citizenship have you seen?"
That's a reasonable question.
There are several answers of variable reasonableness but consistent truthfulness.
1. He is white, doesn't have a funny name and his grandmother never claimed she was present at his birth in Kenya.
While this sounds shallow and racist, it is perfectly reasonable. In all other things, unusual situations warrant unusual scrutiny. Everything about Obama is unusual yet…
2. The media went out of its way to dig up dirt on Bush… even "exposing" documents that were obvious fakes.
They have done little but make excuses for Obama.
Those who ask reasonable questions are marginalized as wackos… but never given reasonable answers. And, over ordinary citizens asking reasonable questions, only the obvious wackos get the media attention.
Excuses for Obama are made with the same vague suppositions that accusations are made… because, in reality, both his detractors and supporters know very little about him.
Despite so many unusual situations surrounding Obama's murky past, there has been little real scrutiny… and a lot of excuses and stone-walling by those who really do have answers.
Which is odd because…
3. There are no real mysteries in Bush's background yet Obama has a lot of unanswered questions… that a lot of effort has been put into making sure stay unanswered…
…how he traveled to Pakistan on an American passport when Americans couldn't travel to Pakistan might be the most reasonable to start the list with.
There are so many others because…
4. Bush was a reasonably well-known entity… not just with a track record of "American values" as governor of Texas… but also since his father was president… ergo, there is no outstanding reason to question his citizenship, national loyalties or basic value structure (even if you don't agree with them).
Obama quite suddenly came into the national spotlight with a slick, emotion-based campaign run by a dodgy group of people lacking in mainstream American values… and lots of unanswered questions about the shady past events in his life which molded his thinking and values…
…events which he has kept the details ambiguous to misrepresented.
Because…
5. Bush has released his medical records, university transcripts, military records and more.
Obama's handlers have put a lot of effort into hiding information such as that…
…and, as so many like to say, "Why are you hiding everything if you have nothing to hide?"
While personal privacy is important for individuals, this no longer applies when you choose the path of leadership in a democratic republic. Those you lead must understand your values and motivations to insure leadership reflects the values of the population.
This openness discourages poor candidates from running, gives the voting majority a better chance of electing someone who will accurately represent their interests and builds trust in the citizen/government relationship.
While many take this issue lightly or are willing to dismiss it for perceived agenda/ideological agreement with Obama, this lack of openness by the leader of the United States is yet another damaging wedge between in the trust of American citizens and their government.
Does this answer the question? Feel free to ask some follow-ups.
4:01 pm on May 19th, 2010 48
Furthermore. They ought to throw the book at him:
885. ART. 85. DESERTION (c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct. (heavy dude)
866. ART. 86. ABSENCE WITHOUT LEAVE
887. ART. 87. MISSING MOVEMENT
809. ART. 90. ASSAULTING OR WILLFULLY DISOBEYING SUPERIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER.
892. ART. 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION
894. ART. 94. MUTINY OR SEDITION
933. ART. 133. CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN (always a winner)
5:31 pm on May 19th, 2010 49
Touche- you got me. Point taken.
5:57 pm on May 19th, 2010 50
A few of those things you listed are punishable by death. Not to say that is what he deserves or thats what he will get but thats definitely the max. punishment for a few those Articles. And when be charged with Conduct on Becomming it has almost 100% conviction rate.
7:46 pm on May 19th, 2010 51
So, Hamilton, they found nukes?
Fact is, the Iraqi nuclear program didn't produce a single nuke. They also shut their nuclear arms program and started destroying their chemical and biological weapons before the war. It's a well documented fact.
10:50 pm on May 19th, 2010 52
All very reasonable.
Regardless, the good LTC needs to put on his ACU’s, pack his A and B bags and hop on the next thing smoking for Asscrackistan. That or be lead to the brig in shackles.
12:18 am on May 20th, 2010 53
Thanks for the reply.
And it does answer the question — you answered truthfully that no, you have not seen a single piece of evidence that proves Bush was a natural born citizen.
Instead, you list a lot of thoughts that are in the heads of Obama doubters — that he is not white, has a funny name, a "murky past," "little real scrutiny," etc., and you speak about those as if they cast some real doubt on his natural born citizenship. They may cause doubt in someone's mind, but I would expect a person with such doubts to do some homework and develop some real evidence from this. The presidential campaign started well over two years ago, and the best you can come up with are vague assertions, which you acknowledge give an impression of sounding "shallow and racist." If you think "unusual scrutiny" is required, where have you been? Have you failed to perform the scrutiny, or have you done it and come up with nothing?
Well, you give us a hint by suggesting that "his grandmother … claimed she was present at his birth in Kenya" and that "he traveled to Pakistan on an American passport when Americans couldn’t travel to Pakistan" and that "Obama’s handlers have put a lot of effort into hiding information such as … his medical records, university transcripts, military records and more."
All of those are outright lies. I challenge you to prove any of them.
Bottom line, Obama is the President of the United States. If you want to prove he's not — and you've had years to do it — find something solid. Otherwise, life goes on.
5:25 am on May 20th, 2010 54
I agree with you chickenhead. If Obama really is a citizen then why not just release his birth certificate? What is the big deal? It will get a lot of people off his back. And furthermore make it a requirement to prove citizenship to all public offices. And natural born citizenship before any presidential nomination. End of argument case closed. Then there can be no finger pointing by anyone on either side.
5:34 am on May 20th, 2010 55
@88mm
I don't doubt his birth place.
And Obama's better off not releasing it. Keeps birthers focused on something that's pointless.
5:49 am on May 20th, 2010 56
88MM, where have you been?
First of all, he has released his Birth Certificate. The COLB that he posted is the only form of Birth Certificate that Hawaii has issued since 2001. It's universally accepted as full legal proof of birth data by all government agencies. People born before 2001 may have copies of more complete forms that used to be issued — some still have theirs and some don't. People born since 2001 only have COLBs.
But you're also wrong to suggest that anything regarding the birth certificate would resolve the issue. The birthers have other cards up their sleeve too — that he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Pakistan (which he wasn't), or that even if born in Hawaii he's not a NBC because his father wasn't a citizen (which is not what the law says), etc., etc.
All of these birther claims were out there before the election. Don't you remember the pressure that was put on members of Congress to oppose the confirmation of the Electoral College vote?
Not a single member filed an objection, and so Obama became President. That's the way our system works. At this point, if you think he was ineligible, the only way to get rid of him is through impeachment. Or you can hope he doesn't get reelected.
5:53 am on May 20th, 2010 57
(sorry — "adopted in Pakistan" should have been "adopted in Indonesia" — but there's no evidence that he was adopted anywhere!)
6:00 am on May 20th, 2010 58
ChickenHead, you're doing a pile-on of issues that has no real relevance to the issue at hand. The colonel is not refusing to follow orders because of claims about citizenship and where Obama was born, not because of a lack of mainstream values or the "dodginess" of the group that helped him win the election.
As for the question, it has been answered by government officials. Here in Hawaii, they have gone to considerable lengths to provide assurances that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, all according to the full record they have. That trumps what his grandmother might claim.
This has been asked and answered. President Obama would be foolish to keep answering it by supplying the latest thing that the opposition claims they need in order to be satisfied. It's a terrible precedent to make.
8:07 am on May 20th, 2010 59
Just for the record, kushibo — there is an audio of recording of a conversation with Sarah Obama, the president's step-grandmother. Someone reached her by phone and, with the help of translators — she only speaks Swahili — she was asked questions about Obama's birth. At first she appears to say that she was present when he was born in Kenya, but quickly corrects herself when she realizes there's been a misunderstanding.
However, there is a "birther version" of the recording available that cuts off before she corrects herself. Make sure you listen to the whole thing!
It's a favorite birther talking point…
8:27 am on May 20th, 2010 60
I can't wait to see the looks on everybody's face when Barry leaves office (the sooner the better) and he says something along the lines of, "I'm going back home…to Kenya!".
9:31 am on May 20th, 2010 61
Not sure if that's a joke, since I know people who actually believe things like that, so I'll just ask if you have trouble in other situations distinguishing between your imagination and reality?
10:55 am on May 20th, 2010 62
I didn't mean to imply he had nukes, he did not but you are fishing. He destroyed some of his stocks but not all. He did have a nuclear weapon program but was quite a few years away from anything close to making a weapon, but who knows, the Norks are very good at helping people if they pay.
You have built up a straw man and knocked it down very efficiently. Saddam Hussein had illegal reseach and small scale production facilities for WMD which was in violation of the terms given during the Golf War. You don't read so well.
12:22 pm on May 20th, 2010 63
I would not go so far as to say I am wrong to suggest anything that already kind of implies I should not suggest anything. In any case I think it would clear things up and settle any disputes. Thanks for the info on the COLB, I did not know that it was the new birth certificate. That being said vital records keeps all birth certificates in an archive lest a person needs a replacement. Of course the possibility exists that perhaps the Obama birth certificate was lost in a fire, stuck in a wrong file, etc. I suppose anything is possible.
12:58 pm on May 20th, 2010 64
LOL, no need to be hypersensitive! When I said you were wrong to suggest [a particular thing], I wasn't saying that you shouldn't suggest anything, simply that that particular suggestion was (IMO) factually incorrect.
If I tried to be clear about anything, it was that there's no way that anything involving a birth certificate "would clear things up and settle any disputes." Look around for yourself — a sizable fraction of the birther community has abandoned BC claims altogether, now claiming that completely different factors render Obama ineligible to be president, even assuming he was born in Hawaii.
It's a red herring. The COLB is legal proof of when and where he was born, and once you buy into the claim that he has to keep providing evidence until the last person is relieved of the last doubts, there is no end to it.
3:54 pm on May 20th, 2010 65
Frankly, I'm sick of the birthers because they are costing our state's money and resources. [see here]
3:55 pm on May 20th, 2010 66
Got a link of either one?
4:16 pm on May 20th, 2010 67
Dont worry I am not hypersensitive. I am fairly emotionally devoid.
10:20 pm on May 20th, 2010 68
Yes – the audio is at http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma and there's a brief discussion about it at http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2…
1:09 pm on May 23rd, 2010 69
Ohhh NOOOO!!! not real evidence. Get your fancy eveedeence out of this here fouroom. We don't take kindly to that kinda talk a'round here.
And regardless of where he was born, his mother was a US citizen, therefor he is by default a natural born US citizen. Anyone who thinks different needs their head checked.
1:12 pm on May 23rd, 2010 70
Doesn't matter. His mother is a US citizen, therefor he is a natural born US citizen. Argument ends right there.
1:20 pm on May 23rd, 2010 71
I've said previously that LTC Lakin should obey his orders & be deployed & if he does not that he should be court-martialed, busted down in rank, and given a less than honorable discharge. It is not for us in the military to decide which orders we will or will not obey. Given all that don't blame the birthers for costing Hawaii money & resources, it is President Barack Hussein Obama who has refused to release his long form birth certificate. Don't you have even the smallest hint of curiosity as to why the president won't release it? If he cared about Hawaii's tax money going to waste then just release the f'ing form. If he really cared about bringing the country together rather than trying to score political points with his political base then he would just release the f'ing form.
1:34 pm on May 23rd, 2010 72
Actually not that simple. When my youngest son was born in 1990 in Germany we had to do some paperwork to insure that he was an American citizen even though both my wife & I were American citizens. The question is was President Obama born in the US or not and the release of the long form birth certificate would answer that definitively. He Dad was a Kenyan citizen so IF he was born in Kenya then Huston, we have a problem. The top health official in Hawaii says that he has seen the document and that it says that he was born in the US. Also there was an birth announcement in a local paper so I THINK he is a citizen but if he would just release the f'ng form then we would all know FOR SURE. Please Mr President think of the country first for a 'change' & release the f'ing form.
1:52 pm on May 23rd, 2010 73
The question is was President Obama born in the US or not and the release of the long form birth certificate would answer that definitively.
The Certificate of Live Birth already answered that definitively. A string of relevant government officials have confirmed this, while the birthers have said evidence after evidence is a forgery or not good enough. Since he has already satisfied this requirement, I say enough is enough. Presenting more will not end it; for the good of the country, don't give into these corrosive elements.
2:00 pm on May 23rd, 2010 74
You know what I find funny? How the LTC was just fine with collecting a paycheck on the 1st and 15th since November 1st, 2008 but now that he was ordered to deploy it's a change of heart. Interesting… IMO he doesn't want to deploy and wants his 15 minutes.
3:21 pm on May 23rd, 2010 75
All you have to do is register the childs birth at the nearest embassy. You have either 30 or 90 days to do this (can't remember the exact length of time). If you wait past this you will need additional paperwork. Natural born US citizens are born in the ROK all the time, usually from a military member and a foreign national. Would you tell me those children could never hold the office of the President of the USA?
Are ~your~ children not natural born US citizens?
And no, the long form will ~NEVER~ be released, get that through your birther head. COLB is a legally acceptable document for proving birth. Showing the long form would only give credit and validate a ridiculous argument.
3:28 pm on May 23rd, 2010 76
He won't release it because he doesn't have to. Its that simple. His credentials were checked and double checked years ago. The birther argument is based on false premise, it never had any credibility and its whole existence is a political farce to create the appearance of dishonesty. You good sir have been manipulated and lead to believe things that are obviously false to any rational thinking person.
The best thing to do with such farces is to ignore them, to do otherwise just feeds the trolls that originated them. Lets say the long form birth certificate was released, you wouldn't' take it as proof. Instead some other argument would come up, some would staunchly deny it was legit and call it a fake. And you'd jump on the bandwagon declaring it was a fake and calling him dishonest for releasing a fake long form birth certificate.
In short, the only "acceptable" evidence to a birther is evidence proving he isn't eligible to be PoTUS. Hence its best to just ignore that group and let them die off.
3:38 pm on May 23rd, 2010 77
Tom Langley, what he said.
It's been dealt with. By our Republican governor even. The usual and appropriate form has been checked, it has been released, but the critics are still not satisfied. They won't be with the long form either, because there will be something wrong with that, too.
It has been answered by the authorities: He was born in Honolulu.
8:24 pm on May 23rd, 2010 78
Barak Hussein Obama was born on an island in the Pacific Ocean.
6:02 am on June 24th, 2010 79
The long form won't be released because it doesn't exist according to Tim Adams.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=165041
All of this talk about how Obama should NEVER release the long form kind of makes sense if it doesn't exist, and never did.
10:51 am on June 24th, 2010 80
Kushibo, come on man! If you read the article that Danny Garcia #79 linked from World Net Daily if correct Tim Adams had access to a number of databases. Let me quote a paragraph from the article: "'I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity,' Adams explained. 'I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I WAS INFORMED BY MY BOSS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A BIRTH RECORD (FOR OBAMA)." Note: I capitalized the last sentence. This "temporary, seasonal" worker had access to this information, if correct. Others say that they have seen the long form BC. I wonder how we could find the truth? I know, President Obama, RELEASE THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
11:17 am on June 24th, 2010 81
I myself lost my original birth certificate long ago and have had to get a COLB in order to get a passport. Both of my parents — both born in the US — didn't have a birth certificate at all but got a COLB sometime later, even the one born in a hospital.
A COLB stating he was born in the US is sufficient to demonstrate natural born citizenship, plain and simple. And as I'm sure the comments up above demonstrate, if he came out with a long form to satisfy the naysayers, they'd come up with something else to say nay about. His natural-born citizenship has been verified to the satisfaction of the powers that be in Washington and Honolulu, and that's enough.
11:32 am on June 24th, 2010 82
Tim Adams is not new to the claim game. Here's a blog on the matter, which links to a WaPo piece.
Some pertinent information:
"Our office does not have access to birth records," Takahashi said. "That's handled by the state of Hawaii Department of Health. Where he's getting that, I don't know. Put it this way: Barack Obama was not trying to register to vote in Hawaii. He is, as far as I know, not a registered voter here. So no one was looking that up."
Takahashi explained that the "senior elections clerk" job that Adams held was a low-level data entry position dealing with voter registration and absentee ballots — Adams was one of dozens of temporary employees who staffed the pre-election rush. And he contradicted Adams's claims that Obama's lack of a birth certificate was an "open secret" or that voters contacted the office to ask about it.
"To be honest, I fielded no questions about that," Takahashi said. "Why would anyone ask us? We don't have those records."
1:28 pm on June 24th, 2010 83
Wow, Danny. A “temporary, seasonal” worker in the City and County couldn’t get access to the document, so naturally it doesn’t exist.
Great sleuthing!
6:12 pm on June 24th, 2010 84
Tom Langley, I find the guy’s description of his capabilities in this “temporary… seasonal” job suspect.
By his own description, he’s someone whose actions bordered on ethical abuse, which makes me question whether he’s twisting around what was said for desired effect (e.g., his boss telling him that he can’t see it being retold as the thing not being there for anyone to see it). You see, we have more reliable government officials, including the Republican governor, vouching that the document that is supposed to be there is actually there.
I’ve also read about Mr Tim Adams’s comments in other venues, and his job description seems to be change. Here he’s said to not just be a “senior elections clerk” as he’s describe in the WND, but “the chief elections clerk.” Which is sort of funny, since at least one of his higher-ups (a more likely candidate as “chief”) is the one who described Mr Adams’s job as “temporary” and “seasonal.”
His description of this as like an “open secret” and that “everyone in the government there knows this” is also suspect. I live in Hawaii, and I’ve actually talked with people in the government who, if this really were an “open secret” that “everyone knows” about, would have been more than happy to volunteer such information.
Now the question is, what could possibly possess Tim Adams to go public with such a claim? Hmm?
Sorry, but Dr Fukino and Governor Lingle have far more credibility in my book.
8:34 am on December 14th, 2010 85
LTC Lakin has pled guilty to one charge. He could get a jail term and dismissal from the service. His trial on other charges goes on.
"Lakin, an Army physician who refused deployment to Afghanistan earlier this year because he believes Barack Obama cannot legally be president, will face up to 18 months in prison and dismissal from the service after pleading guilty Tuesday to charges of refusing his immediate commanders’ orders during his protest of the president."
http://www.stripes.com/news/lakin-facing-jail-tim…