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By on June 6th, 2010 at 5:02 am

Why Didn’t the Anti-Submarine Exercise Detect the North Korean Submarine?

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I don’t know enough about what a Navy anti-submarine exercise is to determine if this had any relevance:

The night a torpedo-armed North Korean submarine allegedly sank a South Korean patrol ship, the U.S. and South Korea were engaged in joint anti-submarine warfare exercises just 75 miles away, military officials told The Associated Press.

The blast that sank the Cheonan, the worst South Korean military disaster since the 1950-53 Korean War, showed how impoverished nations such as North Korea can still inflict heavy casualties on far better equipped and trained forces, even those backed by the might of the U.S. military.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Friday that plans for more joint U.S.-South Korea anti-submarine exercises, announced after the sinking of the Cheonan, are on hold awaiting United Nations action on the incident.

In part, Gates said, there is concern about instigating another rash act by the North Koreans.

Two months after the sinking, U.S. officials for the first time disclosed details of the joint naval exercise held the same day as the attack on the Cheonan. Forty-six South Korean sailors died on the warship, which was not involved in the exercise but on routine patrol near disputed waters.  [Military.com]

My first thought when reading this was could the sonar even pick up a small, slow moving diesel sub in shallow waters from 75 miles away?  Fortunately the article answered my question:

Underwater, tracking submarines relies on active or passive sonar. Passive sonar uses microphones to listen for the sounds of sub operations. Active sonar emits sounds and listens for the echoes as they bounce off of submerged objects.

The Cheonan was operating its active sonar at the time, South Korea’s Navy officer Kim Young-kyu, a spokesman for the U.N. Command in Korea, told The Associated Press. It wasn’t clear why the ship didn’t detect the sub.

After the blast, a South Korean commander dispatched a patrol boat to look for subs.

But officials said the vessel couldn’t locate any, perhaps because of the weather, currents and rough conditions that chilly March night. Those factors, as well as the rocks and ledges in shallow water, can all affect the reliability of sonar, experts say.

Sonar technology has traditionally been designed to operate in deep waters and used for convoy protection rather than coastal defense.

“There’s a lot of equipment that works pretty well against big submarines out in the deep ocean, but doesn’t work so well against small submarines in shallow water,” analyst Pike said. “We’ve got the same concern with Iran and the Persian Gulf.”

So in other words the anti-submarine exercise going on was irrelevant to what happened because their sonar couldn’t have picked up the submarine that far away especially considering the Cheonan’s sonar didn’t even pick up the submarine.

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  • ChickenHead
    1:47 am on June 6th, 2010 1

    This whole thing is getting shady.

    Like 9/11…

    …coincidences, unusual actions before and after, managed evidence which is released to engineer a specific conclusion or avoid counter-conclusions, big investigations that don't allow dissent, lots of unidentified "experts", a lot of secretiveness where openness should not affect the conclusions, the right event at the right time to benefit everyone involved, a chain of implausible events required to satisfy the official story… etc.

    In itself, none of these things mean much… but, all together… hmmm.

    P.S.

    Does anyone know if Baeknyun-do has a SOSUS-like microphone system? If so, things should be pretty clear. If not, somebody should be fired.

  • Chris In Dallas
    1:56 am on June 6th, 2010 2

    "This whole thing is getting shady.

    Like 9/11…"

    I heard black helicopters landed on Cheonan and evacuated all the Jewish ROK Sailors shortly before the explosion :mrgreen: !

  • ChickenHead
    2:20 am on June 6th, 2010 3

    Chris In Dallas,

    It has nothing to do with black helicopters.

    The events of 9/11 are so littered with coincidences, implausibilities, deviations from normal procedures and managed evidence that the Official Story really can't represent the Truth.

    I have no idea what the Truth of 9/11 is… but I know the difference between rain and piss on my back.

  • angrysoba
    2:23 pm on June 6th, 2010 4

    "I have no idea what the Truth of 9/11 is… but I know the difference between rain and piss on my back."

    9/11 Truthers really rain me off.

  • Alec
    7:35 pm on June 6th, 2010 5

    >> The events of 9/11 are so littered with coincidences, implausibilities, deviations from normal procedures and managed evidence that the Official Story really can’t represent the Truth.

    No it wasn't, yes it can.

    >> I have no idea what the Truth of 9/11 is…

    Aeroplanes laden with aviation fuel smashed into buildings, two of which proceeded to act as furnaces allowing temperatures to reach such a level that steel melted.

 

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