By The way the whole Shirley Sherrod story continues to play out is fascinating to watch because it just shows how bad both journalism and politics in America is. Sherrod has been offered her job back by the administration, but now her critics are saying her comments in the video accusing the Tea Party members and Republicans of being racists were inappropriate. I have worked with federal government employees that were active in political organizations like the NAACP and the Democratic Party and Sherrod’s comments about Tea Party members and Republicans falls within the limits of the Hatch Act that lays out what federal employees can and cannot do in regards to political activity. As long as Sherrod was giving the speech on her own time there is absolutely nothing wrong with it even if the comments are inflammatory.
With that said here is an article from the AP that asks the question that is the title of this post, is black racism the real problem with race relations now?
Is black racism a real problem? Or is it pure politics?
Shirley Sherrod was dismissed from her Agriculture Department job because remarks she made almost a quarter century ago about her dealings with a white farmer were perceived as racist. She was offered her job back Wednesday because a full viewing of that speech showed it to be a tale of racial reconciliation.
But put aside the furor and confusion over the employment of the black woman who headed the USDA’s rural development office in Georgia. The Sherrod affair brings to the fore a simmering debate over whether black racism is cause for concern in America under its first black president.
During the campaign, Barack Obama was forced to address the blistering racial remarks of his former pastor. Since then, there have been complaints that Barack Obama presides over an administration that is racial, not post-racial — when he supported a black Harvard professor who was arrested by a white police officer, or when the Justice Department dismissed most charges against a group of black militants accused of intimidating voters.
“If the Justice Department is really not interested in pursuing cases against blacks who violate whites’ civil rights and only go after whites who violate blacks’ rights, that is a major problem,” says William Stogner, a 46-year-old telecommunications technician who lives in St. Louis.
Growing up in the 1970s, Stogner was often called “cracker” by black kids in his grandparents’ East St. Louis neighborhood. Last April, while walking to his car after a tea party rally, he says he heard the same epithet from a group of young black men. To Stogner, black and white racism are equivalent: “To me it’s bad no matter where it originates.”
But to some conservatives, there is something special about black racism: It is invisible in the liberal media, and perpetrated by the Obama administration. While white racism is highly publicized, they say, black racism gets a pass. [Associated Press]
You can read a whole lot more at the link.
The only time I ever experienced black racism was when I was working an internship back when I was in college in Huntsville, Alabama. This was the first time I had ever spent any time in the South. Another internee I worked with was a student at Alabama A&M which is located in Huntsville. We would play pick up basketball quite a bit during the week and he mentioned that over at Alabama A&M that there are really good pick up games on Saturdays. I asked him if I could go with him to Alabama A&M and play on the upcoming Saturday. He told me that he could definitely tell I was not from the South because Alabama A&M is a historically black college and that it was not a good idea for me to go there since I was white. The four months I spent working in Huntsville was definitely an interesting experience in race relations in the South.
7:56 pm on July 21st, 2010 1
Yes, especially in the Army.
9:02 pm on July 21st, 2010 2
Black racism is not the problem. White racism is not the problem. Racism is the problem.
9:17 pm on July 21st, 2010 3
Racism of any color seems to especially be a problem for people who can't accept their own inherent shortcomings and look to blame the rest of the world for their own lack of success.
9:22 pm on July 21st, 2010 4
It's not racism to not promote white male soldiers, the problem is the Army cannot find any qualified white males to be CMS/SGM, especially in support units.
9:51 pm on July 21st, 2010 5
LG…Well said and right on the money. This is all I'm going to say…at this time…
10:37 pm on July 21st, 2010 6
I am tired of hearing about racism from whites. Regardless of what they say, these Tea Party folk are racist. If they are not, then their leadership has certainly not had the balls to discourage racism amongst their ranks. If I was organizing a rally and someone showed up carrying a stuffed monkey and a sign telling Pres. Obama to go back to Kenya, I'd run them out. My daughter is just as much a Korean as Barack Obama is a Kenyan. If someone said to her, "Mulan, go back to Korea" then I would choke them.
I served in a brigade that was commanded by a black female colonel. It was very obvious that she nearly exclusively selected officers for company command from within the ranks of her own demographic, and allegedly from within her own sorority. She left command and was never heard from again, and certainly was never promoted.
I was a company commander in a battalion that was commanded by a black male lieutenant colonel. The XO was a black male, and the S3 was a black male (all coincidentally). The majority of my fellow company commanders were black. I received the best OER, and I continue to be the most successful now, several years later. Maybe the battalion commander could empathize with my black peers more so than he could with me, and commune over their common upbringings, but he was definitely not racist.
10:41 pm on July 21st, 2010 7
All that talk after Obama's election of America becoming "post-racial" was just a bunch of happy horse sh*t! I never believed it as I know we are so far from that- maybe not in our lifetime.
I grew up in the South- a favorite target for racist labels. I witnessed all sorts of racism from people of all races and economic levels. There is still a lot of racial animosity from all sides.
Not everyone is racist, but the ones who are are angry people who seek to perpetuate the problems.
Race is very much embroiled in American politics. Anyone who says anything different is dreaming. I don't see this changing any time soon.
In politics and the ridiculous (entertainment) media, it's all about getting advantage. Many have learned the lesson that playing the race card is a quick and easy, albeit very unethical, way of gaining advantage. It's just too easy!
The only way I can see it changing is if we shame perpetrators who attempt to use race/racism for personal or political advantage.
As for the media, they sold their souls long ago in the name of ratings/bucks!
10:49 pm on July 21st, 2010 8
Mark #1, so things haven't change since I retired in 2005. Not that I expected it too. My (Racial PTSD) persist to this day.
joe, How "politically correct" of you to say that. (Read: missed the point)
Pete, in my twenty years I DID see one White CSM. ONE!!! I can only assume that it takes a very special talent to sit behind a desk, drink coffee all day and brown nose the CO in Support Units. Aviation Support units hooah!
As for my own experiences, I noticed a marked difference during my Army Service between Blacks from Trinidad serving in the U.S.A. and "african-americans". The Blacks would do their jobs amd bitch about as much as I did. While the "african-americans spent most of their time looking for a way to get over on "whitey", and generally not respecting rank unless it was on an "A-A".
As I related in another thread, I had a junior Sergeant tell me of a new female Troop who tried to get him in trouble over racism. Saying he didn't like blacks and in general was a Racist. That argument fell apart when he pulled out his wedding picture. His wife was black. But that is the only thing that saved him.
Mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007210076
Racial Insanity of "african-americans". Not all, but most.
About damn time this subject has come up! Too late for me. Already subject to (Racial PTSD). I would have said "victim", but we all know that only A-As can be "victims". Oh and females, but that is another story.
11:19 pm on July 21st, 2010 9
I have never seen the black racism people complain about in the Army. I have heard people complain before about black officers and NCO's being on more friendlier terms with other blacks but that doesn't mean their racists.
People tend to relate more to people they have things in common with no matter their skin color. I was once in a company that had three Navajo in it, which is the most Navajo I have ever seen in a company size unit, and guess what they were all friendly with each other. That doesn't make them racist, just like if three white guys from North Dakota were friendly to each other.
If someone gives unfair NCOER's or OER's because of race than that is racism and I have never seen it and don't know of anyone of any color personally that has claimed that it has happened to them. That is why I think there isn't an institution in America that gives people of any race a more of a fair go than the US military.
12:13 am on July 22nd, 2010 10
Retired GI: My aim wasn't political correctness, but to point out that racism on *both* sides is the problem. False dichotomy and all that. White racism is bad. Black racism is bad. Asian racism is bad. Why single out one group? They all suck.
1:57 am on July 22nd, 2010 11
#10 Joe. Why single out one group? Because that is what the SUBJECT is.
You have a nice P.C. day.
gi korea, #9 If you haven't seen it, it is because your rank had you too far removed from the Soldiers. Not surprising at all. If i remember your bio, your an officer. Never knew an officer that knew what was going on with the troops.
Except for this one CO I had in Korea who went "down range" often. Almost forgot the CO I had in Bosnia. Back in 98. He was sharp to reading people as well. So that makes two in twenty years. Most officers do little more than worry about their OER. My experience is with Aviation Support Units.
Oh and how would you know if an unfair "NCOER or OER is unfair"? You always question your raters? I had a Major in Iraq tell me what an outstanding job I had done in S2/3 when he was a Captain at Hood. He asked why I didn't "offer" to help the S2/3 in Iraq. Too damn bad his rating of me did not reflect as high as his words. Counts more on paper, don't you think?
Did you hear about Sheila Jackson Lee, Democrate out of Texas. She still believes there are TWO vietnams! Check her out on hotair.com Would be funny if it were not so sad.
2:17 am on July 22nd, 2010 12
I can't really say I experienced black racism while I was in the Army. Ive seen it and personally experienced it a couple times outside of the Army setting.
Is it a problem? All the instances I've experienced didn't affect me much beyond the sheer annoyance of it. I would say the biggest issue comes from such people and their enablers rationalizing such conduct away. Normally the excuses arealong the lines of this not being racism because one has to be in a position of power or its okay because its payback.
2:50 am on July 22nd, 2010 13
I have know blacks in "positions of power" chris in dallas. I have known blacks in positions of power that used it as a platform for their Racism against whites.
I have know hispanics that did the same. Yes they were in "positions of power".
Been in a Support Unit in the last ten years? Senior Enlisted are more often than not, a non-white.
The Officers just don't want to know what is going on.
It isn't like it was in 1985. I was told BY a black that there isn't any white or black in the Army. "we leave that chit outside the gate for the civilians to deal with. In here, we are all Green."
Too bad that no longer applies.
MLK's dream didn't last long.
4:11 am on July 22nd, 2010 14
Suppose a white lieutenant has a black platoon sergeant, black battery commander, and black battalion commander. The platoon sergeant is a piece of shit who spends more time managing his girlfriends and wife on the phone than doing any work, refuses to do PT with the platoon, is never in the motor pool for maintenance, etc…. The lieutenant basically takes over the platoon and renders the PSG as nothing more than a figurehead to deal with the 1SG. The PSG goes crying to the battery and battalion commanders, saying about the lieutenant, "Either he goes or I go." Within a week the white lieutenant gets sent to battalion staff and is replaced by a black LT.
Is that racism, or just Omega Psi Phi and/or Freemasonry working for you?
4:55 am on July 22nd, 2010 15
Mark #14 I know that black platoon sergeant.
Hell, I knew about TEN of him and few of the black female version in addition.
"or Freemasonry working for you" We HAVE rolled around in the same mud.
7:14 am on July 22nd, 2010 16
I think you should check your facts about Masons being in the Military. I don't think this is allowed. You take an oath in the military. To take a miliary oath and then join another group that requires an oath cannot be allowed. Besides some faternal organizations cater to only certain races and only occasionally allow a person of a different race to join – as a token.
Also, there is a take care of your fellow lodge member, etc., mentality that could cause faternal organization members assign tasks, promote, etc., based on membership in an organization verses doing the right thing. This is probably why military membership is not allowed.
8:06 am on July 22nd, 2010 17
Certain Masonic groups and racially organized fraternities and sororities are a problem within the Army, but it's more of a nuisance than anything else. People who think that they have some sort of racial or extracurricular advantage always end up failing on their own.
WRT #14, a situation like that calls for the lieutenant to man up and do something, whether it be going to the brigade commander or filing an EO complaint, especially if the proper procedures weren't followed, i.e. written counseling or reprimand.
10:49 am on July 22nd, 2010 18
pete #16, Does first hand experience count as Checking the facts. It's almost like the West Point "ring tappers".
lg #17. Yes, in a perfect world, what you say is true. Got some bad news for ya: it isn't a perfect Army. "man up"? An LT.? They are little more than over paid Privates! They don't even know they Have "balls". They have a degree and Basic. EO complaint? PLEASE! He is WHITE. Not gonna happen LG. Officers hate trouble makers. As do NCO's. I knew a troop that got assaulted in the barracks, walked down to the CQ desk all bloody, informed the CQ. The MP's were called. Went on the blotter report. He got chewed out by the Platoon Sergeant for not keeping it "in house" by calling him rather than the MPs. The CO was VERY accommodating to said Soldier. Informing him that, of course he had the right to press charges, AND "we are not telling you not too"—BUT we like "team Players" and help them in any way we can.
Rules are broken every day LG. Every damn day. Black, brown, white or yellow doesn't matter here. Except that a white male fileing an EO complaint is like a male of any color crying rape. Please, join the real world.
10:51 am on July 22nd, 2010 19
@16,
What Army are you hailing for? There are many Mason's in the service, the bad ones you can spot a mile away because they advertise it, the good ones you'd never know it unless you make a habit of checking their fingers for the ring.
To All,
Yes there is a pretty extreme amount of anti-white racism in the US Army. The problem is that there was such a virulent push against the white population to be PC and never EVER say ANYTHING that could be perceived as "racist" that the de-facto definition of racism changed to "white person doing something to non-white person". And by that definition a Black / Latino / Asian soldier can not possible be racist, regardless of their actions / words. So with that policy in place, over time no white senior in their right mind would ~dare~ accuse a non-white of racism because they would just get the accusation thrown back at them, and it would stick harder. It basically became racist for a white soldier to accuse a non-white soldier of racism.
A black soldier is caught calling his white NCO a "honky / cracker" the white soldier goes through the appropriate channels and sudden he is called racist and accused of going after the black guy. So we basically learned to ignore all anti-white racist remarks / stereotypes and just go on with our day (sound familiar). Then there is the whole "help my brother" mentality where you can see cliques forming in the senior NCO ranks who help each other out and tend to shut-out whitey.
I've personally been the target of anti-white racism. I was a CPL(p) then, 1SG was a black male, CPT was a black female born-again christian, and orderly room clerk / training room guy (the same position due to manpower limitations) was a black SPC who likes to brag how he was a mason. The SPC made some very racist and later on some very disrespectful comments at some white NCO's in the unit. I being his squad leader confronted him about it where-upon he lashed at me with extremely disrespectful comments and refused to obey a lawful order. Paperwork was created (I'm a big believer in doing proper paperwork for crap like this) and put through. And I'll be damned if that 1SG / CPT and later the SGM (black male) didn't do their damnedest to make sure no body saw that paperwork. This SPC had to do this about three more times to three separate SSG's (two white one black) before it got noticed. And it was the black NCO who put his foot down and made a ~HUGE~ issue over it. Something none of the white guys could do for fear of being labeled "racist". Thankfully after this affair the company stopped trying to shield its black soldiers from reprieve. Later down the road we got a new 1SG in (also black male) who was very open about team-work, didn't have a racist bone in him (that I could notice). Things got much better for the unit when your 1SG isn't actively trying to sabotage the careers of his white NCO's. Of course this left the racist black female CPT, but there isn't much she can do when her 1SG doesn't follow her ways.
12:44 pm on July 22nd, 2010 20
@ #11 – Being an officer has nothing to do with this. During field exercises, NTC, and the war for example I lived for weeks at a time with my Bradley crew. Maybe you had some jacked up officers in your aviation support units but don't make that to be a reflection of the entire military. Plus I have never received an OER where I didn't get what I deserved no matter if the rater was black, white, polka dots, male, female, etc.
From my experience the ones complaining about racism or sexism both black and white, male and female were usually the ones that weren't all that high speed to begin with and look for excuses for their own failings.
12:07 am on July 23rd, 2010 21
GI KOREA #20. And—THERE IT IS! "from my experience the ones complaining about racism —— were the ones that weren't all that high speed to begin with —"
You just proved my point. Go after the ones doing the complaining at a personal or professional level. Discredit them in whatever way you can. Who else does that?
But whatever you do, don't acknowledge that there is a problem.
"Being an officer has nothing to do with it." Yes it does and you just showed that it does.
As I stated in at least TWO of my post—AVIATION SUPPORT UNIT was my experience.
I NEVER stated that it was the entire military or even the entire Army. But I will state here and now it was the same in ALL **(AVIATION SUPPORT UNITS)**.
Fort CAMPBELL—Fort HOOD—CAMP HUMPHREYS KOREA—CAMP STANLEY KOREA.
As for my failings, while my spelling sucks, I never received a negative NCOER. I WROTE MOST OF MY NCOERS MYSELF. That is how piss-poor many of my leaders were. At Hood one tour my E7 was too busy sniffing tail to be in his office. The W2 was working the supply room. (he thought he knew supply) Turns out he didn't.
When was the last time you had to get a black NCO to enforce for you because the black female just didn't understand that the white guy was the Platoon Sergeant.
When was the last time you had a Hispanic Platoon Sergeant pull a Hispanic E4 out of the squad to ask him if he thought his white Squad Leader with the shaved head was RACIST or not.
When was the last time you showed your EO level II training certificate to a Hispanic E7 only to hear him say that, "they never should have given you that". And when you ask why, your told that "ah ah ah because you only like asian women".
When was the last time that you fought for the (among the best block) to be checked, your W2 would not check it even thou you were holding down two (2) TWO E7 positions in one platoon (Production Control NCOIC)(Platoon Sergeant) and he spent all his time away from the Platoon.
Then to be told when you question the CO, "your leaving Sarge, the warrent officer is staying. I need him to be happy. I need him in supply. so yes, your getting fucced over to make him happy. Your leaving. Sign it."
I at least respected his honesty. (all involve in that were white except for the Platoon Sergeant who was NEVER THERE. But I was told by the Platoon Sergeant at my next unit that (his friend) my former P/S "did not take care of you".
So YES. I had the experience of working with many "jacked up" officers during my twenty years. Hood seemed to RECRUIT them. Having spent nine years in Korea, eight of them at the Hump, I did have occasion to meet some good officers there. So I know they exist. Few and far between thou they may be.
My last tour at the hump I was tasked with creating a nonexistant Drivers Training Program. Which I did with a couple of helpful suggestions from one of the few good officers I knew. I was given a meets standards for the program. The black E7 that evaluated it, took great pleasure in informing me that the reason it didn't get rated higher was because one of the requirements was that it must support the Company level program. The Company didn't have a program. Which was of course the job of the black E7 evaluating ME to do. He couldn't do his job. So my program suffered. At the "leaders" meeting that afternoon, my W1 was made aware of all this and got a case of the ass. The only reason I know is that he related it to me.
That isn't all. But it should be ENOUGH.
Now, since the adrenaline is flowing, I'd hate to waste it. I'll go to the garage and workout. Might get 275 on the bench today. Because gi korea, I never had a problem with PT either. Normally maxing my pushups. Never got into situps that much but passed them. Normally in the 80% for the runs.
I'm not going to say the Army lost one of it's best NCOs when I retired. That would not be true. But it lost a good one. One that DID HIS JOB. In war and in peace. But the Army will not miss me. I trained others.
Oh, and when your NCOs are retiring GI KOREA, don't forget to write up an award for their successful time served. My "officers" forgot. It isn't much. Doesn't cost much. We earn that token of thanks. It has "meaning" to us. Forgetting to do so has meaning as well.
We elisted sure don't do it for the Pay.
2:13 am on July 23rd, 2010 22
I can't read all posts, but I did read enough to say that Retired GI is right on the money.
If I acted the way a lot of my fellow soldier who where not white did, I would have been kicked out. Even the white NCO's let a lot of poor performance / bad behavior slide due to the threat that they would be called racist if they made an issue out of it.
5:15 am on July 23rd, 2010 23
GI Korea wrote:
I have never seen the black racism people complain about in the Army.
I suspect you don't see it because you don't go looking for it, and you don't see things in that paradigm.
If someone is always looking for something, they'll see it even when it's not there.
I'm not in the military and never have been, though I have been closely associated with it at times, so I can't speak to military experience directly, but I didn't see the racial tension, favoritism, and even animosity that some of the commenters would have me convinced is rampant in the US Army.
But I'm sure it exists to some degree, just because it is an American institution in our era, and some of the official racial narrative that exists does tend to see "minorities" as potential victims more often than Whites. But even that is an oversimplification. Look up hate crime statistics and you'll see that they compile them for Black-on-White crime just as they do White-on-Black. The notion that Blacks can get away with anything against Whites is myth. Sure, some things, but the same is true in reverse.
[And no, I'm not speaking from some PC point of view. In fact, I've been a victim of PC back in college when applying for a prestigious opinion I basically stated during the weekend-long group interview that (a) the organizer's speech nothwithstanding Blacks do in fact have racism even if they don't enjoy majority power because they can wield power at the micro level (à la Reginald Denny's attackers), and (b) homosexuals should not be lumped in with visible racial and ethnic minorities because their ability to rely on transparency gave them a completely different experience form visible minorities who can never escape the lack of racial transparency.]
It is the people who jump to racial factors as their first conclusion when it suits them that will tend to see racial problems everywhere. I guess you're not one of them, GI Korea.
6:42 am on July 23rd, 2010 24
kushibo #23
Very well said —from an intellectual's view point. read: never been down in the dirt on a daily situation. Far removed from it are you not?
You are indeed speaking form a PC point of view.
I very much enjoyed your last sentence. A most "polite" way of calling me a racist and giving gi korea a pass on not seeing it because he isn't looking for it.
So you admitt that gi korea is blind to it? Unable to see it? Are you saying he doesn't want to see it?
You either didn't read my comments or you chose to ignore them. Likely you simply ignored them.
You smooth talkin thing you.
I couldn't care less if YOU believe it. You don't matter. Your not in the military and never were, for whatever reason. Those who think great thoughts, as you seem to, usually do nothing but think. You are of little concern. But I did so much enjoy the way you use your keyboard that I simple had to respond.
You have a nice P.C. day. Oh and watch out for those paper cuts.
6:46 am on July 23rd, 2010 25
GI Korea, are you admitting that you are a person who jumps to racial factors when things don't go your way?
You're taking away from what I wrote what you want to. I do believe there are White victims of Black racism. In fact, I'd be willing to entertain the possibility that it happens as much as the other way around, if not more (thanks to PC mechanisms that are abused).
But that is a far cry from saying most or all accusations of Black racism are legitimate.
8:04 am on July 23rd, 2010 26
You called me gi korea. Thanks but I'm simply a retired gi. Not an officer.
In answer to your question, *I am not*. What I am is an observant individual.
Example: you contradict yourself in comment 25.
Addition: if you had read my comments, you would not have had to ask the question.
But like most P.C. Thinkers, you don't like what is said. So you ignore it because it doesn't fit your P.C. world.
As I said, you're not military, so it doesn't matter to me what you believe. You're a thinker of things. Not a doer of deeds.
If it makes you feel better about your world to dismiss my words, than have a nice day. My experiences are not your concern civilian (with due respect). But don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
10:01 am on July 23rd, 2010 27
Those of you who just can't see the racism apparently just don't get it.
You don't see it because it's very likely that the covering for the substandard performance, appearance, discipline, and so on of the minorities is mainstream, accepted, status quo- just the way it is, and the way it always has been to you.
Having leaders who don't put up with that crap- from ANY race- and who are minorities themselves- is an awesome experience. I have experienced that several times in the past 30 years. It is far from the norm. But it's the way things are supposed to be done.
Most of the up and coming young troops who get out of line and need adjusting are usually receptive to proper leadership- but many leaders are reluctant to apply that correction required because of the perceived command climate. In that climate, nobody wins. The institution suffers.
That isn't what EO/EEO was supposed to be about at all.
10:35 pm on July 23rd, 2010 28
#27 Vince, "That isn't what EO/EEO was supposed to be about at all."
Your right about that. But how many white males have you seen that are serving as the EO rep in Battlion, company and Platoon levels?
Another question. In the Army redeployment EO questionnaire in my last year of service, I couldn't help but notice that "white" was listed as a "race". Which is of course only a color. While African-American was substitued for black. Does this still go on?
I remember in the 60's Blacks were proud to be black. It seems, not so much anymore. It went from "black is the essence of color and white is the absence of color" to "black is a color, not a race".
Now the army "officially" sees black as a color but white as a race.
Upon my return from Iraq while filling in the EO sheet, I checked "other" for race.
As white is NOT a race but a color. I explained to the black-female EO rep my reasoning. She called over her black-male EO supervisor. He agreed with me.
My black-as-night good buddy (from Trinadad) was behind me smiling. When he up to the table, he checked "other" for race as well. The black-female was flipping out.
She said, "but you're black, you should check African-American". He responded with, "I'm from Trinadad. I don't have anything to do with "africa".
Army Aviation being a small field, we ran into each other often. Campbell, Korea, Hood and Iraq.
12:16 pm on July 24th, 2010 29
Ever notice that "African/American" is more a Culture, than a race.
Just following up on Eric Holdier saying we are cowards for not talking about it.
But when you do talk about it, it is inferred that you are substandard for what you say, or simply called a racist. Of course you must be white for these to be applied. From my experience Here, I would say Holder is correct, (and with good reason).
This posting was an outstanding learning experience. Thank you all.
9:23 pm on December 18th, 2010 30
I am not african american why is there a color classification for what type of human you are and why is that important. I am a black american because as my sister always says I ain't never seen Africa. I am comfortable with the word black but my white husband always checks other simply because its non of your damn business Hes in the Army he says fucc they already got my teeth why are they asking that lol
12:33 am on December 19th, 2010 31
Here's what I noticed, most of your White CSM's in USFK serve with 3 stars and above, where as most of your minority CSM's serve with 2 stars and below. The US military has been in Korea for 60 years, how many minorities have been USFK CSM or Commander for that matter.
Look at the history of the SMA position, there has been only one minority, we all know what happened to him.
I guess the question is, who is staying in long enough to make O-10, 0-9, E-9…