By GI Korea on August 11th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

Picture of the Day: Admiral Halsey Says “Kill Japs”

• Lemmy
  6:29 am on August 11th, 2010 1

  I don't find that sign at all offending.

  Collectivelly, American's are stupid – how else can you explain the construction of a "mega" Mosque at Ground Zero in NYC?

• Pete
  7:38 am on August 11th, 2010 2

  My picture would not show but I find the "J" word offensive and feel we should give all Japs, Opps, Japanize people 10,000 yen each because of what we did to them. Plus we violated their civil rights when we killed them.

• a listener
  8:54 am on August 11th, 2010 3

  Lemmy, collectivelly, Americans allow freedom of religion as part of their constitution.

• a listener
  8:55 am on August 11th, 2010 4

  But yes, it would have been just as outrageous and unthinkable to construct a Shinto shrine adjacent to Pearl Harbour back in the WW2 era.

• The Sanity Inspector
  12:21 pm on August 11th, 2010 5

  The past is another country. They do things differently there.

• Lemmy
  4:12 pm on August 11th, 2010 6

  A Listner, is this the U.S. Constitutional text you are referring to?

  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…… That’s why atheist are allowed to spread their "word", why Muslims can assemble in their Mosques and operationally plan on how to fly 4 passenger jets causing the most destruction. Why Jimmy Swaggart and others hiding behind the shield of Christ can fleece stupid Americans out of their money under the guise of a “Tithe and offering”. Stupidity is why poor parents give so much of their money to a mega church they can’t afford their mortgage, nutritionally feed their children, and have their Cadillac Escalade re-possessed. Stupidity is why 25,000 people in Atlanta riot for a chance to live in 1 of 500 “section 8” subsidized housing units. This is collective stupidity.

  Again, I implore you that collectively American's are stupid. Why else would Americans have elected a Muslim in the very first presidential election after the start of the "Great Muslim War"? Why do Americans allow the mass invasion of a foreign people into their country when there are laws and statutes against? Why do Americans side with the individual (and presently, with illegal aliens) instead of the collective of American people? Does this happen in any election in the US? Are the voices of the masses drowned out by the voice of the individual?

  Remember, the United States of America has a Constitution, American's don't. They simply elect to abide by it as a condition of citizenship.

  GI Korea is right about the media “stupidifying” the American people. No longer are we taught “how to think” we are too lazy and simply choose “what to think”. Our religon brainwashes us to forgive too easily and look where it is taking us.

  YOU’RE GETTING VERY SLEEPY—————–

  EVERYTHING IS GOOD, EVERYTHING IS FINE, SAY NICE THINGS.

  EVERYTHING IS GOOD, EVERYTHING IS FINE, SAY NICE THINGS.

  EVERYTHING IS GOOD, EVERYTHING IS FINE, SAY NICE THINGS.

  EVERYTHING IS GOOD, EVERYTHING IS FINE, SAY NICE THINGS.

• Overnight ADHD postlets…(The Sanity Inspector)
  9:02 pm on August 11th, 2010 7

  [...] Stop the war, someone’s waving a rude sign! [...]

• Tom
  2:29 am on August 12th, 2010 8

  A poignant reminder of how racist whites are. Not much has changed.

• Retired GI
  5:50 am on August 12th, 2010 9

  Whites?? What a Racist statement about America. Something only an ignorant and unobservant yellow person would make. Tom—you're not THAT ignorant are you?

  Note I didn't say you are.

  But I always thought that yellow people were intelligent. Are you going to disprove that stereotype that I have of yellow-people?

• Teadrinker
  8:26 am on August 12th, 2010 10

  Tom,

  "Ethnic nationalism" doesn't ring a bell?

• Teadrinker
  8:36 am on August 12th, 2010 11

  It's the "yellow bastards" part that seems the most offensive to me.

• Another Pete
  8:45 am on August 12th, 2010 12

  What offends me is that an Admiral in the United States Navy doesn't realize that, as a derivative of a proper noun, "Jap" should be capitalized.

• lirelou
  9:38 am on August 12th, 2010 13

  I think that those who have seen the HBO series "The Pacific" will understand the feeling of the times, particularly among the combattants. I think that even to most ignorant reader of the original sign would understand that the Chinese and Vietnamese, among others, were not included in "Yellow Bastards". I'd even bet that they did not count the Nisei of the 100th Bn, 442nd RCT as 'japs'.

  As for a mosque being erected near ground zero, my understanding is that it will go up on private property. What they choose to do with their property is their business alone, as long as they are not violating any laws, land use restrictions, or city codes.

• Leon LaPorte
  9:50 am on August 12th, 2010 14

  In the past, Jap was not considered primarily offensive; however, during and after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory.

  According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "Jap" as an abbreviation for "Japanese" was in colloquial use in London around 1880.[3] An example of benign usage was the previous naming of Boondocks Road in Jefferson County, Texas, originally named "Jap Road" when it was built in 1905 to honor a popular local rice farmer from Japan.

  Learn more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

• Zilchy
  9:59 am on August 12th, 2010 15

  Lemmy – For every "stupid person" there is as a U.S. citizen, there are equally as many "non-stupid" people. However you decide to define these categories.

  I guess the major point I feel that is important, is the U.S. was founded on the priciples of freedom of speech and freedom of religion. You have every right to state your opinion on this blog as do "stupid Americans" in rioting for section 8, susidized housing in Atlanta.

  The "American Muslims" have every right to want a mosque at the WTC site as did the U.S. military in producing that sign, regardless of the rhetoric.

  The idea of freedom is going to produce many different points of view which could be interpreted as good or bad, depending on any one individual's beliefs or tastes.

  I believe a mosque at ground zero is a good thing. I believe it will send multiple messages. 1 – There are good honest Muslim people living in the U.S. and our belief in freedom of religion will not be compromised. 2 – To the fundamentalists who brought down those buildings, your actions are nothing compared to the idea that is the USA. 3 – A mosque at this site will send a message to those honest law abiding Muslims that they are indeed a part of the U.S.

  A mosque should be built there. I see it as a positive thing all around.

• Teadrinker
  10:51 am on August 12th, 2010 16

  "Collectivelly, American’s are stupid – how else can you explain the construction of a “mega” Mosque at Ground Zero in NYC?"

  What's stupid is that it's neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero. The plans are actually to build a cultural center a couple of blocks away.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Trade_Cen…

• Teadrinker
  10:54 am on August 12th, 2010 17

  "I believe a mosque at ground zero is a good thing. I believe it will send multiple messages. 1 – There are good honest Muslim people living in the U.S. and our belief in freedom of religion will not be compromised. 2 – To the fundamentalists who brought down those buildings, your actions are nothing compared to the idea that is the USA. 3 – A mosque at this site will send a message to those honest law abiding Muslims that they are indeed a part of the U.S."

  All excellent points.

• Teadrinker
  11:16 am on August 12th, 2010 18

  PS to #16,

  More importantly, the number of people who live and work in that neighborhood are Muslim is not insignificant. It's large enough to justify building a Muslim cultural centre there, as they are free to do so.

• Teadrinker
  11:20 am on August 12th, 2010 19

  PPS…Just found out there's already a Mosque near Ground Zero (4 blocks away). It has been there before the World Trade Center was even built.

  Yup, some people really are stupid.

• The Sanity Inspector
  11:29 am on August 12th, 2010 20

  The mosque will be a taunting touchdown dance in America's endzone, an emphatically spiked football over the remains of our dead defenders. That's how the opponents of it see it, and that's how Muslims overseas will see it (assuming they understand American football). Doesn't matter how good-hearted the Muslims in that "cultural center" *may* be, it will be interpreted for what it is, a symbol of Islam's triumph over the Head Infidel.

  Remember, class: The West "invades." Islam "spreads."

• The Sanity Inspector
  11:32 am on August 12th, 2010 21

  The mosque that was already there and wants to rebuild? Let 'em. They were as much victims of 9/11 as everyone else.

  But that other thing? It's as offensive as building a memorial to to the Confederacy on the burial grounds of Gettysburg. Libs are just slumbering too deeply in their multi-culti coma to grasp that.

• Retired GI
  11:49 am on August 12th, 2010 22

  I have a Question.

  I would like to hear what those here will answer.

  I know very little of the Muslim religion, other than every one of those individuals that took over the four Planes were/are Muslim. Those that organized the attackS were/are Muslim. The Major at Fort Hood who opened fire on unarmed Men and Women is a Muslim. The Christmas day (almost) bomber is a Muslim. Those that killed my fellow Soldiers in Iraq were/are Muslims. Those that tried to kill me were/are Muslims.

  Now to the Question. How am I and many MANY others supposed to smile and accept a Muslim Mosque anywhere NEAR the location were those of their religion killed in the name of THEIR god?

  Not to mention that this Muslim leader is NOT a moderate and wants to bring sharia law to America.

  This is not a religious issue. This is not a free speech issue.

  Question two: What is a "Victory Mosque"?

  You know damn well what a victory mosque is.

  Are you so educated that you've lost the ability to THINK? (rhetorical)

• Leon LaPorte
  11:50 am on August 12th, 2010 23

  #21 It’s as offensive as building a memorial to to the Confederacy on the burial grounds of Gettysburg.

  Interesting…

  There are only two Confederate monuments inside the areas of battle held by the Union. The first is a plaque near the Angle commemorating Lewis A. Armistead's farthest advance on July 3. The second is a monument to the 2nd Maryland Infantry on Culp's Hill, renamed from its original designation of 1st Maryland because there was already a Union regiment by that name.

  For both sides, the War Department erected numerous informative bronze plaques that describe the units, their leaders, and their contributions. There are over 1,600 monuments and markers on the field.

  During the Great Reunion of 1913, all honorably discharged veterans in the Grand Army of the Republic and the United Confederate Veterans were invited.

• Retired GI
  12:11 pm on August 12th, 2010 24

  #21 I was with you 100%.

  Then you showed your lack of understanding of the Confederate States of America.

  I do believe Sir, that you Yanks came uninvited into our country. Burning, murdering, raping and robbing.

  What is a real shame is that our Confederate blacks have no monument.

• The Sanity Inspector
  12:19 pm on August 12th, 2010 25

  Leon,

  Maybe we can a similar mood of reconciliation with jihadist Islam–fifty years after we thoroughly pound them into surrender.

• Leon LaPorte
  12:33 pm on August 12th, 2010 26

  #25 Don't see any of that happening. For one thing the Union and Confederates were still all Americans and shared basically the same values and culture.

  As long as there is crushing poverty, desperation and despair the madrases will continue to churn out little hajis. Westerners and Muslims are so alien to each other one may as well be from another planet.

  Religion continues to prey on and destroy minds and lives. Unfortunately it will likely take many generations (if ever) for the world to throw off the shackles of oppressive religion and embrace reason. Only then can we all be truly human and humane to each other.

  Instead of focusing their resources, energies and talents on improving life for the here and now, religion teaches intolerance, death and destruction in the here and now with a reward in the hereafter. Really sad. People fall for it and parents push the indoctrination on small children incapable of critical thought.

  Science flies us to the moon.

  Religion flies us into buildings.

• The Sanity Inspector
  12:50 pm on August 12th, 2010 27

  Retired GI,

  I'm as southern as they come, actually. The first man in my family since the 17th century not to grow up on a Virginia or Carolina tobacco farm.

  But, so my point will not go amiss, substitute my analogy with the Bushido shrine at Pearl Harbor image that's been floating around. Or a Richard Wagner festival at Buchenwald. And so on.

• Pops
  1:09 pm on August 12th, 2010 28

  For what it's worth, I found information on the Internet that says the picture shown was taken in July of 1943, Photo 80-G-259446 (cropped) Sign on hillside at Tulagi, Solomon Islands, July 1943. The ship in the foreground is the U.S.S. Honolulu, one one of three Allied cruisers mauled in the battle of Kolombangara fought on the night of July 12/13. See a fuller image of the damaged ship at: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g250000… .

  For some perspective on the sign and the time, especially for the armchair quarterbacks of the day and other judgmental types, read the caption with this photo: Reportedly erected by Captain Oliver O. ("Scrappy") Kessing, USN, commander of the Tulagi Naval base.

  This sign is best explained in the words of the historian (and participant in contemporary actions in the Solomons) Samuel Eliot Morison, writing in the later 1940s:

  "… thank God for Halsey, exuding strength and confidence; for his slogan, which 'Scrappy' Kessing painted up over the fleet landing at Tulagi in letters two feet tall: — KILL JAPS, KILL JAPS, KILL MORE JAPS!"

  "This may shock you, reader; but this is exactly how we felt. We were fighting no civilized, knightly war. We cheered when the Japs were dying. We were back to primitive days of Indian fighting on the American frontier; no holds barred and no quarter. The Japs wanted it that way, thought they could thus terrify an 'effete democracy'; and that is what they got, with all the additional horrors of war that modern science can produce."

  Quoted from "History of United States Naval Operations in World War II", Volume V: "The Struggle for Guadalcanal", page 187.

• Leon LaPorte
  1:29 pm on August 12th, 2010 29

  Reminds me of one of my favorites.

  We were dropping daisy cutter bombs on the Taliban in Afghanistan. Some brilliant reporter asked why we were dropping those bombs.

  Brilliant Reporter Q: What about the — [inaudible] for the public who — you know, beyond the criticism from human rights organizations for using the cluster bombs, they're calling for a halt — could you explain the tactical rationale for using them?

  Rumsfeld: They are being used on front-line all Qaeda and Taliban troops to try to kill them, is why we're using them, to be perfectly blunt.

  "We would be happy to capture them, we'd be happy to have them surrender, and if they don't, we'd be happy to kill them."

• Zilchy
  1:30 pm on August 12th, 2010 30

  To #22 Retired GI

  There is no doubting the facts you have stated in regard to Muslims wanting to and sucessfuly killing Americans and other Christian based peoples. But, Christians in our own country are killing other Christians. Blacks are killing blacks, etc. My point again, was the freedom that we as Americans enjoy, allows for situations such as these. It's unfortunate, but one of the realities. Statistically, your going to have a certain percentage of many social ills in any nation on this planet. In contrast, Americans enjoy a level of freedom that other nations do not. For every situation you do not like or agree with as a citizen of the U.S., there should be a situation in which you agree and should cherish.

  I honestly do not know what a "victory mosque" is. Anybody?

  The idea of Sharia law becoming a legitimate part of the U.S. in any fashion is just proposterous. A revolution will take place long before this happens. No matter how stupid anyone thinks Americans are.

• Teadrinker
  4:15 pm on August 12th, 2010 31

  "it will be interpreted for what it is, a symbol of Islam’s triumph over the Head Infidel. "

  Or so would fundamentalists would have you believe (fundamentalist Christians, that is). Reread #15 for a more logical interpretation. Once again, it's a cultural center. Ironically, the World Trade Center was built next to a Mosque, not the other way around (yes, the Mosque predates the World Trade Center).

• ChickenHead
  5:02 pm on August 12th, 2010 32

  Q: How do we know all the stories about this construction project are written by a dumass?

  A: They are all about the iman in the ironic mosque.

  I'm so, so, so sorry.

• Ditto81
  6:23 pm on August 12th, 2010 33

  Thank God race generated topics are as popular as religion on internetzz.

  Bottom line, all of you damn biped Hominid Sapiens go bakc to f"cking Africa!!..

  There case solved. No more religion wars , no more Humans.

  Oh shite, blast.

• Zilchy
  6:53 pm on August 12th, 2010 34

  I can't believe we have Americans on this board bickering about the Civil War. STILL. It seems we have somewhat digressed from the topic at hand and dropped further into a "shit-pit" by squabbling about a war that should have little to absolutely no relavance to a now, long standing, "inter-united" nation.

  Come on guys, put away the "Yankee" and "Confederate" bullshit. With all the mayhem that is currently taking place inside our nation and out, this is the last thing we should be discussing.

  In regard to #29 – I absolutely adore Rumsfelds statement. Like my little Teddy Bear when I was four years old. Was it sheer arrogance? Was he just stating the truth sans arrogance? I don't care, I love it.

• Anonymous Sharp Poin
  8:51 pm on August 12th, 2010 35

  The only good Jap is a dead Jap; same goes for Taliban! When American Soldiers or Marines get a chance to kill a Taliban, they need to take it. Same goes for any raghead or Pakistani as well. Remember the current war is one between Christianity and Islam and only one side will win.

• Tom
  9:29 pm on August 12th, 2010 36

  The only good jjokbari is a dead buck toothed jjokbari.

• Retired GI
  10:57 pm on August 12th, 2010 37

  #30, Here ya go zilchy

  http://www.educationnews.org/political/society/98058.htm...

  Symbolizing victory, islamic conquerors erect mosques over sacred sites.

  Now you know. Always happy to help out those less Aware.

• ChickenHead
  3:50 am on August 13th, 2010 38

  Nothing. Nada. Not a single funking response or word of recognition.

  You are all lame!

  I made what had to be the best pun of the decade and not one of you lowbrows recognized it.

  Don't make me explain it.

  Teadrinker, despite both his leftist and Canadian handicaps, is smart, educated and basically a good guy… I bet he gets it.

  …not sure about the rest of you Neanderthals.

• Zilchy
  6:48 am on August 13th, 2010 39

  #37 – To RETRED GI

  Thanks for the link. That's what I suspected the meaning was and it's meaningless. If Muslims want to believe that building "a place of their worship" on a piece of land (that may not be "Muslim soil"), is some sort of victory, Let them. It means nothing to me.

  What have they really won? A place to worship is all I see. They can spin the meaning anyway they want!! I would hope that most, if not all other non-Muslim Americans share my view.

  This link states that "Over 3,000 Americans were callously murdered by Islamic jihadists". As I recall, this is not true. The WORLD Trade center was exactly that, an international building with citizens from many different nations. I believe there were close to 60+ nations who attended the 1 year anniversary ceremony, as each of these nations lost citizen(s) in this attack.

  That's why Bin Laden and his boys chose this location. It was on American soil, but he also wanted to send a message to the rest of the world.

  Also, the Al-Aqsa mosque being in Jerusalem is historically justified. Jerusalem is just as much Jewish and Christian soil as it is Muslim soil. I believe all three religions were conceived in that location. There are no "victory mosques" in Jerusalem.

  I completely understand your concerns and I too would be concerned if I thought there was any legitimacy to the term "victroy mosque".

• Zilchy
  7:03 am on August 13th, 2010 40

  #38 To ChickenHead

  As a neanderthal, I need you to explain. The suspense is killing me! I thought you decapitated and running around the farm aimlessly, prior to composing your "best pun of the decade". Buffalo wings anyone?

• Pops
  10:34 am on August 13th, 2010 41

  The "Victory Mosque" discussion bears some further historical research and perspective. Do we have any religious scholars in the house? I am not, but what would you call the establishment of a mosque in the the Hagia Sophia, the former Christian Orthodox cathedral in the former Constantinople? And how about at Mecca, where the Kaaba was built pre-Islam by pagan Arabian tribes?

  It would be nice if whoever these funding sponsor(s) are for this mosque would allow equal opportunity in whatever country they hail from, to allow other nations to build an other-than-Islamic religious facility in their country, a kind of quid pro quo. What do you think the chances of this are?

  Enjoy this bit of perspective building on the subject:
  http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-…

• Retired GI
  12:10 pm on August 13th, 2010 42

  chickenhead—yea, I got that. But I've heard better from you, so I wouldn't call it your best. But anyway—GOOD JOB!

  zilchy, if you can't see it you're blind. If you will not see it, you're far worse than blind. Either way it would be foolish for me to spend any more logic on you. I don't believe you to be blind so you simply don't wish to understand. As for what THEY believe—it is important to me, as it will encourage them in their Jihad. Which cost lives of the innocents as well as Soldiers. They believe in killing and dying for their jihad. You obviously don't understand the situation. Hope you don't have to learn.

  You do have something in common with them. Talking goes no where. Maybe you are one. Humm—-

• JoeC
  12:18 pm on August 13th, 2010 43

  #41

  A little more historical perspective.

  Sometime back I pointed out a sect of Islam called Wahhabists. They are the predominant Islamic group in Saudi Arabia and sponsored by the Saudi family, even though many now seek to overthrow the kingdom. To most other Muslims, they are an ultra-conservative and extremely intolerant Sunni sect.

  They are the progenitors of the Muslim Brotherhood that assassinated Anwar Sadat in Egypt and the root of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

  They have no real reverence for mosques. As a matter of fact, they abhor elaborate mosques with anything like Minarets and such, or statues, images and icons or prophets and saints other than Mohammad that distract from singular devotion to Allah.

  Remember when the pre-war Taliban went on a scorched earth purge of religious edifices in Afghanistan that gained most public attention when they blew up those huge ancient Buddhist statues carved into the side of a mountain? That is why they had no hesitation in blowing up Shiite mosques in Iraq in the attempt to inflame conflict between the Shiites and secular Sunnis. There have also been bombings of Shiite and sufi mosques in Pakistan blamed on their Taliban groups there.

  We would do well to learn about and understand the internal conflicts within Islam to more specifically identify and focus on the real enemy. Seems to me that would be the smart thing to do.

• Zilchy
  2:10 pm on August 13th, 2010 44

  #42 – Retired GI

  No sir, I am not blind. I believe I have a fairly good understanding of what's at stake. I understand your concerns and they would fall in line with mine, if I thought that the whole of the Muslim community was "extremist". I believe this not to be true and thus those muslims who are "extreme", have a greater chance of dying for their beliefs at the hands of the U.S. and other militaries. For those muslims who are peaceful, they have the right to live in our country, as did the Irish, Italians, Polish, etc. did over 100 years ago.

  Having a mosque at this site might encourage the extremists in their twisted view of what Islam is suppose to represent, but it will represent equality for those muslims who seek peace.

  Yes, the extremists believe in dying for Islam as much as Americans and other nations believe in dying for democracy. To not have that mosque built at that location for reasons other than "The American freedom", if you will, is spitting on the graves of all the soldiers who died in Korea and Vietnam. They fought and died to protect an IDEA!!

  It's that IDEA that is important. All the other viewpoints and realities, whatever they may be, have to come second to the IDEA which is the U.S.A. This is what I believe you do not understand.

  No sir, I am not a Muslim. I am however, an American citized who believes in the basis of what his country was founded on. That basis has led to many "firsts", including ideas and technologies which many of the first world countries on this earth enjoy on a daily basis.

• Zilchy
  2:31 pm on August 13th, 2010 45

  #41 Pops – "It would be nice if whoever these funding sponsor(s) are for this mosque would allow equal opportunity in whatever country they hail from, to allow other nations to build an other-than-Islamic religious facility in their country, a kind of quid pro quo. What do you think the chances of this are?"

  While it would be a nice jesture for the host Muslim country to do so, it would never take. How many westerners are living in Muslim countries? How many want to live and or visit Muslim countries? I'll take a pass!!!!

  The middle east, northern Africa and western-east Asian countries are not hot spots for westerner's travel destinations and certainly not for long term residency. I don't believe I am wrong in this assessment.

  It would be a nice non-muslim church or community center (with no community) that remains empty. I guess you could house camels in it. Oil tanks? Shish-k-bab restaurant? Rug manufacturing? Harem holding facility?

• Pops
  5:19 pm on August 13th, 2010 46

  #45 Zilchy,

  Don't sell yourself short on the issue, or be tempted to devolve into a smarmy attitude on the possibilities. There is a significant presence of foreign non-Muslims in the Near East and Persian Gulf littoral, many of whom are Christian and many of whom are not from "the West." And some elements in the Islamic world are responsive in a positive way to this presence – witness the small country of Qatar, in which the ruling Emir donated state land for a Catholic church to be built for the 100,000 or so estimated Catholic foreigners living and working in Qatar to attend. This church opened in 2008. http://www.rosarychurchqatar.com/index.php A Protestant church is in the works as well, see http://www.epiphany-qatar.org/home.html . There is hope for some understanding and at least peaceful coexistence as witnessed in this most important development, though the radicals and extremists will do their utmost to destroy this, as JoeC outlined above in #43. But things like this take time, more time it seems than a generation moving at digital speed is willing to accept or to recognize.

• Teadrinker
  9:07 pm on August 13th, 2010 47

  #37,

  If "Ground Zero" is a site of Christian worship, then why aren't they also protesting the fact that the New York Dolls Gentlemen's Club is just a block away?

• ChickenHead
  9:14 pm on August 13th, 2010 48

  Under Saddam Hussein, Christians were free to worship in Iraq.

  Christians were not targets of Islamic violence and were not subject to Islamic Sharia law. Christmas and Easter was openly celebrated. Iraq even had Christians in its government… e.g. Deputy Prime Minister, Tariq Aziz.

  I guess all that got screwed up pretty good, didn't it?

  …and now for a few thoughts on the Ground Zero mosque.

  As for building a mosque near Ground Zero, this action is protected by the laws of the United States… be thankful that it is.

  This should be treated as a matter of good tastes rather than a legal matter.

  Strip clubs aren't often opened near churches and daycare centers, the KKK doesn't put their offices near the NAACP, neo-Nazi don't build meeting halls near concentration camps.

  It might be possible that whoores and Nazis have better manners than Muslims…

  …or it might be, like all mega-church leaders, this guy is a manipulative shytbag stirring controversy to bring in donations, heighten his profile and increase his power base.

  This is all rather insensitive and distasteful and should be vocally discouraged by any Muslims who don't wish to fuel the fires of conflict and resentment.

  Perhaps this is just an opening shot in a larger war of provoked outrage between the West and the Muslim world.

  They build a mosque to provoke angry biitching on the Internet… the West provokes widespread violence by drawing cartoons of Mohamed.

  It's gonna be a long war.

• ChickenHead
  9:17 pm on August 13th, 2010 49

  "why aren’t they also protesting the fact that the New York Dolls Gentlemen’s Club is just a block away?"

  Whooremonger dandies didn't bring down the towers?

• Teadrinker
  9:22 pm on August 13th, 2010 50

  #38,

  That dumbass' son was not only a dumbass but a bastard.

• Teadrinker
  9:23 pm on August 13th, 2010 51

  …or rather, but also a bastard.

• Teadrinker
  9:34 pm on August 13th, 2010 52

  #43,

  Yes, and the supposed "Ground Zero mosque" is neither a mosque nor at "Ground Zero". It's a community centre that will have a small prayer area, but also a swimming pool and other sports facilities (in other words, it will be catering to a segment of the Muslim community that is very liberal).

• Teadrinker
  9:42 pm on August 13th, 2010 53

  #48,

  Just like the World Trade Center shouldn't have been built so close to St. Patrick's Cathedral?

  In any case, feast your eyes on this:

  http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie…

  Yup, there is a well established Muslim community in Manhattan and the proposed cultural centre simply aims at serving them. Nothing more, nothing less.

• Teadrinker
  9:45 pm on August 13th, 2010 54

  "Whooremonger dandies didn’t bring down the towers?"

  Neither did Muslim New Yorkers.

• Teadrinker
  9:48 pm on August 13th, 2010 55

  #42,

  So, all Christians think alike? I mean, it must be if all Muslims do, right?

• Retired GI
  1:41 am on August 14th, 2010 56

  AH! Now I found your button teadrinker. You became so frustrated that you had to keep coming back. Couldn't put it all in one post. Interesting.

  Where to begin. Lets start with your reading comprehension. It doesn't exist. I never said anything in the thread about Christians or Christianity. Go back and check. I'll wait—–

  But you jump all over the idea of a christian vs muslim idea. Tells alot about you. Anti-christian teadrinker is. As well as a Liberal from canada.

  Teadrinker—I don't give a good GD what a person calls the name of God. I don't care if you don't believe in God. Religion is like sex—private, or it should be.

  Now if you want to do some guy in the poop shoot, go ahead. Just don't tell me it is normal. Not my business. Back to your number one subject, Religion. Religion is like a drug, or really good sex. Ya got to have more. (plus, it is a REALLY good way to divide people)

  There are over 100 Mosque in NYC. One down the road from the location, or so I hear. Predates the WTC I hear. So, they already have a whole chit load of Mosque in NYC. ———This is not a right to worship issue———–.

  But there is something about this "new" mosque. From their point of view, not mine.

  Now I understand that all of this is beyond your understanding. I get that. Two Masters degrees does not equal intelligence and understanding.

  To conclude, and I'll make it simple bullet statements

  They have MANY mosque in NYC.

  I don't care what their name for God is.

  I love for the peaceful ones to worship as they wish.

  I had a Muslim friend in the Army.

  I buy my tobaco from a Muslim woman, who is very nice.

  She agrees that this NEW mosque is not a good thing.

  But—but—but—this new mosque is a Victory over America Mosque.

  Does not matter if you agree or not.

  Does not matter what Americans believe.

  The (radical) (jihad) (murderers) (woman hateing) (subjugating) Muslim will believe and see this NEW MOSQUE as a VICTORY MOSQUE.

  It will embolden them and give them added will to fight and kill for their Religion.

  I almost forgot, they (and you) say this is a Recreation center. Pool, tennis, golf and whatever. With only a "small" itty bitty place for worship. Sounds good!

  It truely does.

  Kind of like a YMCA.

  That is the plan. In the Military we had a saying: It is better to say sorry than to ask permission.

  "Sorry about that huge NEW MOSQUE three blocks from Ground Zero—with the HUGE worship area. We don't know what happened." Oh well.

  You go right ahead and swallow that hook teadrinker.

• Retired GI
  1:55 am on August 14th, 2010 57

  I forgot to give you your battle cry teadrinker.

  DEFEND THE FAITH! TEADRINKER WILL DEFEND HIS JIHAD BROTHERS FROM THE AMERICANS AND THEIR INFIDEL MILITARY.

  You go teadrinker. Allah akbar!

  I would never fault a man for his religious beliefs. As long as he leaves me to mine and does not cause trouble in the name of Allah.

• Zilchy
  7:14 am on August 14th, 2010 58

  #46 Pops – "Don’t sell yourself short on the issue, or be tempted to devolve into a smarmy attitude on the possibilities. There is a significant presence of foreign non-Muslims in the Near East and Persian Gulf littoral, many of whom are Christian and many of whom are not from “the West.”"

  I stand thoroughly corrected. The reality of "non-western" individuals practicing Christianity did not even cross my mind at the time. I was so enthralled in writing my pro-American stance, my limited brain was not allowed to cool off.

• Zilchy
  8:17 am on August 14th, 2010 59

  #48 ChickenHead states – "As for building a mosque near Ground Zero, this action is protected by the laws of the United States… be thankful that it is."

  Yes!! Absolutely 100%

  ChickenHead states – "This should be treated as a matter of good tastes rather than a legal matter."

  Maybe it should, but you can't over-ride our "freedom laws" with opinionation and emotions. "Intentions and reasons for" have to be secondary to the "Legality and funds for".

  In the end, we may never know what exactly the true intentions are/were for this so called "victory mosque". Again, the word victory in this case is ambiguous at best.

  Why are individuals on this thread worried about how these "extremists" view this "victory mosque". It's obvious to me that these people were willing to die in the name of their "God" prior to this being built. They will be willing to die long after it's built or even if it is never built at all. Their "warped" intentions were solidified long ago. I don't see this mosque changing anything.

  There's also a long held belief that these "extremists" are not what most would refer to as "sound in mind". Unspooled if you will. Why would anybody lend any creedance to what they thought in the first place. They're clearly not playing with a full deck. Do you guys ask a psychopath to do your taxes?

  Retired GI – If these particular Muslims want to die in the name of their cause, let them. It's unfortunate that many "western people" and soldiers have lost their lives in this situation. But, these numbers do not compare to the numbers of extremists who have died. These numbers will continue to rise as long as they are willing to believe in their cause. This reality is completely out of our control.

• Zilchy
  8:34 am on August 14th, 2010 60

  #43 JoeC

  If what Joe has stated is correct.I have no reason to believe it is not, then this is clearly an example of the staunch differences between the "extremist" and "peaceful" Muslims points of view.

• Retired GI
  2:18 pm on August 14th, 2010 61

  Ya know, me and Mister Jim B have been talkin tonight.

  We have come to the same conclusion. We have a certain respect for someone who will lay their life on the line for what they believe in.

  Sadly, neither of us see that as being the (average american).

  Jim and I are united in our belief that the Radical Muslims will win in the end. They deserve their victory. Americans are either too stupid (like canadians) or too P.C. to fight for what they believe in. Oh, look at the pretty colors.

  I do detest those that can not or will not learn from history. Maybe the next great country will learn from americas mistakes. I will not live to see it, as the death of america will take some time. Like those from canada, I need not concern myself.

  The *radial* Muslims, like the communist Chinese, are a patient lot. While americans are so busy attempting to prove they are a good people. It really is funny if you look at it from their point of view.

• Leon LaPorte
  4:24 pm on August 14th, 2010 62

  #61 Jack and I agree. We'll eventually be living under Sharia law in order to appease a small minority. "We", (US) deserve it. Unfortunately, both Jack and Jim won't be able to hang out anymore and will only be seen by those who can afford to leave the country (where Allah never looks). I've noticed Allah obviously can't see Muslims in Korea or on airplanes.

  As far as the swimming pool at the "F@ck You Idiots Mosque," I wonder what the ladies swim suits will look like, blessed is Allah?

  Allah Akbar indeed.

• Teadrinker
  5:12 pm on August 14th, 2010 63

  #56, 57

  "You became so frustrated that you had to keep coming back. Couldn’t put it all in one post. Interesting."

  The irony is apparently lost on you.

  Nice rant. Still, I know you're far more open-minded than you let on.

  So, nah, I don't think I'll swallow that hook.

• Retired GI
  12:05 am on August 15th, 2010 64

  #63 But you did. Hook, line and sinker.

• chosunking
  1:34 am on August 15th, 2010 65

  Its easier to kill someone if you think that they are less than human. That was the purpose of much of the training during ww2 and that mindset continues today as we portray Muslims in a certain way and as Hamas/Hezzobollah/Islamic Jihad et al portray the Jews/The West/Infidels..

  In Pakistan the media there blames the US for everything(and their Jewish/Indian lackeys)

  and I wouldn't be surprised if they blame the current floods on us too using that damn JEWISH/Indian weather making machine….

  Its a sad commentary on human nature and the readiness to believe the impossible/irrational..sigh….

• The Sanity Inspector
  6:44 am on August 15th, 2010 66

  #62 Leon LaPorte,

  As far as the swimming pool at the “F@ck You Idiots Mosque,” I wonder what the ladies swim suits will look like, blessed is Allah?

  They'll be wearing the burqini.

• someotherguy
  10:09 am on August 15th, 2010 67

  I'm still shocked (well not really) that people are still grouping all Muslims together. This is a very foolish thing to do because it makes the speaker look ignorant. Extremists should be removed whenever possible, but anyone practicing the Muslim religion peacefully is ok.

  The cultural center in question is being built on private property, the laws of this nation provide freedom for anyone to build a place of worship on private land. The argument stops there. You can't be selective on how you interpret these things, either everyone has religious freedom or no one has religious freedom.

  And FYI for the ignorant amongst you, the God of Islam is the exact same God as Christianity and Judaism. Allah is not the name of their God, its the literal translation of the English word "God" into their language. Both Islam and Judaism religions descent from the times of Abraham through two of his sons Ishmael and Isaac. Isaac is said to be the progenitor of the Judaism religion from which Christianity later developed. Ishmael is said to of been the progenitor of the Islam faith. Both faiths followed Abrams belief in Yahweh which we later termed "God" then further into "Christ". So you see there all fighting over the same damn thing just with a different name attached.

  The leaders of the jihadist Islamic sects that try to screw with us believe as strongly in their religion as the leaders of the Catholic church or those Baptist celebrity preachers do. Which is to say they believe in nothing but power and money and they use religious dogma to control poorer and more ignorant people. They then use that control to exercise their power over others and gain more political influence within their own sects and groups. The whole 9-11 thing was never about religion, is was about a group of people showing others that they could do something like that. It was a power play and demonstration of power.

  This was never a "war" of Islam vs "West" or "Christianity", if that was so then they wouldn't be bombing each others cultural and religious centers (aka Mosques over there). It was a war of power and control and we got suckered into using the wrong tactics. You (the proverbial kill-the-all red-neck) have already allowed them to win by letting them alter your mindset, your daily life, and debasing yourself. Only way to beat those people is to ignore their religious dogma and propaganda, those are merely smoke and mirror tactics and focus on removing their power base. Which so happens to be the local Muslim population. Get the local population to turn on the extremists and their power will fade away.

• JoeC
  3:12 pm on August 15th, 2010 68

  #67

  It is surprising that 9 years into it, so many, especially those that claim a military background and are most heavily affected by it, have bothered to take the time to educate themselves about any of this.

  I was embarrassed and angry in 2006, when Stars and Stripes polled service members actually in Iraq, years after the president admitted it was not true, that still 85% of troops believed "a major reason they were sent into war was 'to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the Sept. 11 attacks.'” This was especially saddening when we further learned that for 75% of them, it was not their first tour there.

  Even if the troops don't have the aptitudes learn for themselves, you would think the military might find it useful to explain to them why they are actually fighting and dying.

• ChickenHead
  4:33 pm on August 15th, 2010 69

  JoeC

  "Even if the troops don’t have the aptitudes learn for themselves, you would think the military might find it useful to explain to them why they are actually fighting and dying."

  That sounds good. The only problem is, if the troops don't believe we are there to retaliate for 9/11 and they don't believe there are WMDs, they might start asking just why we ARE there?

  Since "removing a dangerous theocracy", "neutralizing a threat to America" or "stopping the largest supporter of radical Islam in the region" are equal un-truths, what is left?

  Will the troops fight for, "He tried to kill my dad"?

  G.W.Bush actually said that… I shyt you not.

• Leon LaPorte
  6:36 pm on August 15th, 2010 70

  #69 Not to be an ass but yeah. I think attempting to assassinate a former president (who was also a war hero) is a pretty good reason for regime change.

  That said, maybe there weren't any WMD's but the Iraqis tried their damnedest to make sure we thought they had them. They were obviously successful in that, however I do not think it had the desired outcome.

• ChickenHead
  11:54 pm on August 15th, 2010 71

  Leon,

  "I think attempting to assassinate a former president (who was also a war hero) is a pretty good reason for regime change. "

  Hmmm… you might have been drinking the Bush-Aid.

  The Duelfer Report of the Iraq Survey Group makes Saddam Hussein plotting to kill George Bush very unlikely.

  It is rather clear that an attack on George Bush did not fit with Saddam's documented goals, plots, actions or thinking.

  I can go into lots more detail on this if I must.

  "That said, maybe there weren’t any WMD’s but the Iraqis tried their damnedest to make sure we thought they had them. "

  This is another popular misconception cleared up in the Duelfer Report but intentionally not integrated into the public conscience… which is best left thinking Saddam was responsible for 9/11 and had WMDs.

  In short, Saddam was sure the CIA had fully penetrated his government and was well aware there were no WMDs. His deception was not to fool the USA but to fool Iran.

  As for the attempted bombing itself, the reality of who was involved and the origin of the equipment is much more murky than the media reports would have one believe…

  …it could just as well been an Iranian or Israeli false flag op, depending on the shape of your tinfoil hat.

  Look into this and, if you still stand by your previous post that Saddam certainly tried to kill Bush and he was trying to fool the US that he had WMDs, we can further discuss the details.

• lirelou
  8:22 am on August 16th, 2010 72

  Chickenhead:

  Your comment on the “Bush Assassination” being an excuse for a full scale military campaign is spot on. The were fare more appropriate and lesser ways to handle that.

  However your “In short, Saddam… was well aware there were no WMDs. His deception was not to fool the USA but to fool Iran.” is in error. Yes, one of his major target audiences for the WMD was internal, but the other intended target audiences were both regional and international. In essence, he was saying: Don’t f**k with me, or the fight will be nasty.

  Those who claim the WMD were a ‘lie’ are either idiots, polemicists, or need to improve their English language skills. Yes, there were no WMD. U.S. Intelligence fell for the deception. Their belief in WMD proved erroneous. And yes, George “W”, Cheney, and the superhawks grabbed on to a single spurious message of yellow cake uranium, overruled their Intel advisors, and passed that on to Powell for his UN speech. That was willful manipulation on their part, even if they believed in their ‘heart of hearts’ that the report was true (the bane of all true believers), and it was unprofessional on Powell’s. He should have demanded to see the original message. However, none of those errors erases from history the reasonable presumption at the time, based upon the accumulation of much valid intelligence and actual WMD use, that Iraq continued to possess WMD.

  Any Iraq analyst who had stood up and stated categorically that “Iraq has no WMD” prior to the invasion would have been jeopardizing the lives of American soldiers. It’s a pity that the U.S. electorate didn’t deny “W” a second term, but American elections tend to go that way during wartime. Hindsight is always 20/20.

• someotherguy
  1:15 pm on August 16th, 2010 73

  Well the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that possibly Bush started the war for the specific reason to guarantee his second term. History has shown us that very very rarely does an incumbent president fail to get elected during a "War". The "War" gives the current (Bush era) administration a rallying point and focus for their support base and is a pretty big advantage. But there is no actual proof of this so it will forever remain in the realm of conspiracy theorys.

• Leon LaPorte
  2:34 pm on August 16th, 2010 74

  #73 The "war" seems to be working pretty well for Obama too.

• Retired GI
  10:52 pm on August 16th, 2010 75

  #73 But BUSH! But BUSH!! But — but — B U S H !!!!!!!

  I had no idea that Bush had so much POWER!

  That B.D.S. is strong still. Not bad for someone the Professional Left often said was so, SO stupid.

  A good focusing point (in the here and now) is a President that has no experience and shows it on a nearly daily basis. Without a telepromter, he constantly has Foot in Mouth disease. Thinks he can TALK/BOW his way to success with the more unfriendly countries. Loves the idea of a Victory Mosque, three blocks from where 3000 people were murdered my MUSLIM TERRORIST in the name of THEIR RELIGION. Has increased the National debt in two years to unsustainable levels. Backed by a Democrat congress that brought down the housing market beginning in 2006.

  That fag, Barney Frank and his buddy, Nancy need to go in November.

  You don't get anymore out of touch than sending your wife on a junket to another country when a trip to one of the gulf states would have been so much more intelligent.

  We all need to cut back is what I hear—unless your the First Lady of Obama.

  And lets not forget this, "the police acted stupidly" before he had any facts.

  So much for having any brains Mr. Community Organizer.

• Christina Parks
  2:06 pm on January 7th, 2011 76

  I have a snap shot of Admiral Halsey in front of a sign that says "Admiral Halsey says "kill japs, kill japs, Kill more JAPS"! You will help kill the yellow bastard if You do your job WELL" it signed by Admiral Halsey. Is this worth anything??

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