Picture of the Day: President Obama Visits USFK

Tags: Barack Obama, USFK, yongsan garrison

• Maj. America
  12:33 pm on November 11th, 2010 1

  Say what you want of Obama's Politics, but his Veterans Day speech at Yongsan was awesome. I had goosebumps throughout watching that speech.

• Vince
  12:38 pm on November 11th, 2010 2

  He's a DAMN good speaker. Wish I could have made it there.

• jslim
  6:45 pm on November 11th, 2010 3

  guy is a joke

• Tom
  10:01 pm on November 11th, 2010 4

  If Americans are so tough and so good soldiering as they always brag and put down others, why can't they win in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why can't they put down tribes of primitive Muslims who fight with rifles?

  All talk and no action.

• Jeff Fisher
  2:14 am on November 12th, 2010 5

  MAJ, VINCE, What Obama says has absolutely no merit!! Listening to his words

  is a waste of time. What he has spouted in the past has been lies and obfuscation. Someone wrote that for him. He is a socialist, a pablum puking,

  plastic banana! Does his background demonstrate anything different? He has

  disdain for the military along with all leftest. Wake up guys!!

• Retired GI
  5:08 am on November 12th, 2010 6

  #1 and #2, what dribble. Hitler was a great speaker—and didn't need a teleprompter. Make sure you wash those pants.

  #3 The real joke is the people that get a thrill listening to the dribble that comes out of the teleprompter thru his piehole.

  #4 Unlike other countries (we are better than you) we try to avoid collateral damage when possible. We also try to get along with the Host (weaker) country.

  Speaking for mysellf only, I wish we didn't. "oh the enemy is in that populated area." "bomb that populated area and then sweep in and kill whatever moves."

  Oh, china is messing with korea? Ok, so what. Wait untill china makes a move on japan. Then bomb the chinese in korea. Move thru and kill anything that moves.

  What? No, I can't tell the differience between a korean or a chinese.

  I'm sure there are many people that are very happy america does it the way they do, rather than the way I would.

• Tom
  6:52 am on November 12th, 2010 7

  "Move thru and kill anything that moves.

  What? No, I can’t tell the differience between a korean or a chinese."

  We'll just hide behind the white guy in Korea with the big nose. The American murderers will immediately stop bombing.

• Bagley
  8:40 am on November 12th, 2010 8

  The photo is photo-shopped.

• Leon LaPorte
  9:17 am on November 12th, 2010 9

  The photo is photo-shopped. …having seen a few shops in my time, I can tell by the pixels.

  

• Tom
  9:21 am on November 12th, 2010 10

  Never believe what an American soldier claims to have done in the war. They often exaggerate and lie about their own version of events to make themselves look real tough and cool and heroic.

  PLUS

  Never believe what white English teachers in Korea say on the internet. They often like to make up stories about Korean racism so that they can come out looking like victims.

  This is from Kuoshibao's web site, which uncovered that AETAK's claim that Koreans were sending them death threat was a made up hoax.

  http://www.monster-island.net/2010/11/bullshit-re…

• Retired GI
  9:34 am on November 12th, 2010 11

  #7, a somewhat obvious observation, but thanks.

• Vince
  9:50 am on November 12th, 2010 12

  He sends a tingle up my leg!!! Ooohhh!

  As for not winning in A'stan or Iraq, I didn't see you there Tommy boyo.

  We haven't really unleashed the dogs of war- yet.

• Zilchy
  9:54 am on November 12th, 2010 13

  #9 Two Face writes – "Never believe what white English teachers in Korea say on the internet. They often like to make up stories about Korean racism so that they can come out looking like victims.

  This is from Kuoshibao’s web site, which uncovered that AETAK’s claim that Koreans were sending them death threat was a made up hoax.

  http://www.monster-island.net/2010/11/bullshit-re…

  First, Kushibo's post did NOT portray that the hoax was indeed fabricated by anyone in the foriegner English speaking community. Kushibo specifically stated that the origin of said threat was still unknown. Keep on spinning information to justify your inferiority complex.

  I personally don't see how English teachers in Korea can further help their situation by stating falsities on the internet, in the hopes of being seen as victims. You may be confusing legitimate concerns and opinions with your own self-centered, pseudo-biases. I'm in no way saying they are no meatheads in the NET community, but as a whole, playing the victum card does little to further any goal.

• Leon LaPorte
  9:54 am on November 12th, 2010 14

  He’s a DAMN good speaker reader. Wish I could have made it there.

  FTFY

• Tom
  9:55 am on November 12th, 2010 15

  You didn't do a good job Vince, they're kicking your butts over there. The Mujahadeens are ready to fight on for another thousand years. I hope you guys can last that long, considering that your finances are not exactly in great shape.

• Tom
  10:05 am on November 12th, 2010 16

  Zilchy, the letter was from the US, so it must have been done by an American. Probably an ex-teacher who wanted to make Korea look bad.

  "playing the victum card does little to further any goal."

  Sure it does. It brings attention and buys sympathy in Korea and abroad. You guys have some serous victim complexes.

• Vince
  10:36 am on November 12th, 2010 17

  Tell me what a good job is Tom.

• Glans
  12:19 pm on November 12th, 2010 18

  Retired GI 5, Hitler read his speeches.

  Here you see him often looking directly at the podium.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhdX1SI3KY&fe…

  Here you see him occasionally glancing at the script, and even turning the page.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkMeGOYVqZ4&fe…

  The films were naturally edited to minimize the reading and maximize the speaking.

• Glans
  12:21 pm on November 12th, 2010 19

  Tom 9, Kushibo has a fine blog, don't you agree? I hope you'll commment there often.

• Tom
  12:23 pm on November 12th, 2010 20

  "Tell me what a good job is Tom."

  It doesn't surprise me that American military don't know what good job is. After all, they got their butts booted in Vietnam. Now the same thing is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan.

• Leon LaPorte
  1:07 pm on November 12th, 2010 21

  Has Tom ever had a"job"?

• Vince
  1:18 pm on November 12th, 2010 22

  What happened in Iraq, Tom? What did you see? Tell us.

  And Viet Nam? What did you see there?

• Tom
  1:26 pm on November 12th, 2010 23

  I saw dead US soldier bodies who were defeated in battle.

• Zilchy
  1:26 pm on November 12th, 2010 24

  Two Face states – "Zilchy, the letter was from the US, so it must have been done by an American. Probably an ex-teacher who wanted to make Korea look bad."

  The idea that the letter originated in the U.S. was not determined as fact."Probably an ex-teacher"? Possibly, or maybe it was a pseudo-gyopo who recently left the fatherland with an axe to grind, such as yourself.

• kushibo
  1:29 pm on November 12th, 2010 25

  Glans wrote:

  Tom 9, Kushibo has a fine blog, don’t you agree? I hope you’ll commment there often.

  There's a reason he won't.

  But anyway, why are you talking about the ATEK mess here? It has nothing to do with Obama.

• Vince
  1:33 pm on November 12th, 2010 26

  Where did you see these bodies, Tommy? Did you smell them? Did you know them when they were alive? As you were still alive did they save you?

• Tom
  1:56 pm on November 12th, 2010 27

  "There’s a reason he won’t."

  Becareful what you wish for, you just might get it, Kuoshibao!

  "Where did you see these bodies, Tommy? Did you smell them?"

  I can smell a dead rat, at thousands of miles away.

• kushibo
  2:06 pm on November 12th, 2010 28

  Becareful what you wish for, you just might get it, Kuoshibao!

  Unlike GI Korea, I'm not afraid to lay down some guidelines and delete messages or kick off commenters who don't follow them.

  Also, without his emoticon (which Blogger doesn't allow) Tom's annoyance level goes down about 35%.

• Tom
  2:12 pm on November 12th, 2010 29

  Kuo Shi Bao is ready to delete and ban me when I have made exactly 0 comments on his blog.

• kushibo
  2:16 pm on November 12th, 2010 30

  Wrong interpretation yet again, Tom.

  I'm ready to delete messages or ban anyone who uses racial slurs, is mostly interested in race-baiting, goes off-topic to take a gratuitous swipe, etc., etc.

  If you can stay within the lines, you're welcome there. Same with anyone here, but there are a good number of messages from a good number of commenters here whose content I wouldn't tolerate.

• JoeC
  2:21 pm on November 12th, 2010 31

  The Great Communicators

• Glans
  4:44 pm on November 12th, 2010 32

  kushibo 24, what is an ATEK? When did I ever talk about its mess?

• kushibo
  5:22 pm on November 12th, 2010 33

  Sorry, Glans. That comment was directed to Tom. In comment #9 he brought up my ATEK post, even though it has nothing to do with this post's topic.

• Pops
  4:31 am on November 13th, 2010 34

  At #20, Chicom Tom probably does have a job, spamming various websites with his juvenile prattle – the Peoples Republic rewards him amply enough.

• ChickenHead
  5:23 am on November 13th, 2010 35

  I'm wondering if the Englishman, Frenchman, Irishman, Welshman and Dutchman were offended by the terrible racial slur, Chinaman.

  More importantly, what did the Pakis think about it?

  Kushibo, your play of the race card doesn't even sound sincere.

  Oh, well…

  I see Tom has manipulated his biitches into hijacking another conversation away from the topic of Obama's speech and into the intellectually challenging topics of…

  - ATEK, which much to the envy of train wrecks everywhere, still seems to be active despite not filling all of the Woman and Minority Status Coordinator positions.

  - the fascinating definition of a "good job" and the compelling questions abut who has had one or not

  - an attempt at dispelling the vicious rumors that say there were dead bodies in the Vietnam War.

  - and yet another post speculating on Tom's status as a Chinese agent out to destroy the free world… which is fortunately countered by an army of patriots and freedom-lovers with advanced propaganda techniques in the spirit of, "I know you are, but what am I?"

  In the end, only 8 out of 33 posts related to the topic. The other 75% were composed of Tom pulling the right strings to make the stupid puppets dance… and dance, they do.

  If there was something funny or intelligent coming of it all, it would be acceptable… even enjoyable. But it is neither.

  Once again, if Tom makes a good point or reasonable accusation, address it. If he talks nonsense, DO NOT RESPOND. Just ignore it and it will go away.

• kushibo
  6:02 am on November 13th, 2010 36

  ChickenHead wrote:

  I’m wondering if the Englishman, Frenchman, Irishman, Welshman and Dutchman were offended by the terrible racial slur, Chinaman.

  More importantly, what did the Pakis think about it?

  Kushibo, your play of the race card doesn’t even sound sincere.

  "Chinaman" has a history of abuse that "Englishman," "Frenchman," etc., do not. It's not the same, and Tom used it knowing that effect. His use of that term was playing the race card; my pointing it out was not.

  "Paki," as you're probably aware, is also considered offensive, largely owing to its history of abuse.

  Tom has introduced racial and ethnic slurs into past discussions in such a way as to attribute those slurs to other commenters, including me. These are offensive words I do not use and I don't want their use attributed to me in any way.

  He had agreed not to use racial and ethnic slurs anymore, and I took him at his word. I will call him out on it irrespective of you thinking it "doesn't even sound sincere."

• kushibo
  6:07 am on November 13th, 2010 37

  ChickenHead wrote:

  In the end, only 8 out of 33 posts related to the topic. The other 75% were composed of Tom pulling the right strings to make the stupid puppets dance… and dance, they do.

  And your #34 is different how? I already wrote ten comments earlier that they need to get on topic, so what was the point of your post?

• Dick Masters
  6:19 am on November 13th, 2010 38

  Not only did Tom blatantly promote his website but he also showed why you can't just believe anyone. Unsubstantiated claims only prove an inherent bias in someone. Thanks Tom for pointing that out.

• 2legit2quit
  6:25 am on November 13th, 2010 39

  Wow Dick. Thanks for pointing that out. I have a friend that was not paid when in South Korea. The owner hired thugs to intimidate him. This friend went to court in South Korea and won. He has legal documents and everything to prove this. I guess Tom would want me to think my friend and the Korean court made all this up.

• Retired GI
  9:00 am on November 13th, 2010 40

  People are so easily wounded these days. Whatever happened to the, "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me."?

  I find it amusing (as does the group known as "tom"), that all of you have such easily wounded skin. I can not recall "Chinaman" EVER being an insult. Except when other asians are called "chinaman". Even then it is an insult to the one speaking it, rather than the subject.

  But this in now the world we live in. The thin skinned and easily enraged or insulted. It often becomes a competition I believe. Which group can claim Victim Status the most often.

  Which group can clam to be the most noble by turning any descriptive word into a "slur".

  Thank you Political Correctness. You have made the world so much better.

  I sometimes miss the honesty of a world were people say what they mean. Whether they be gooks, rednecks, spicks or hicks. Slops, blacks, wetbacks or yanks. Big noses, negros, bucket heads or johnny rebs. Fags, chinaman, englishman or irishman. Ragheads or hodgies.

  If I mispelled any names, please let me know.

  Did anyone hear about the book that was not allowed on someone's campus, because it had KKK on the cover? The book was about how the KKK was taken down. Content was of no import. But the cover sure was!

  Or the kid flying the American Flag on his bike at school and was told to take it off. The adults were AFRAID it (the American Flag) MIGHT offend some other "RACE?".

  Thank you Political Correctness.

  Or the army officer that killed 13 soldiers because those above him were AFRAID to offend his religion and disreguarded what they knew.

  Thank you Political Correctness for giving power to all the screamers and criers out there. The world is certainly a much better place.

• Retired GI
  9:05 am on November 13th, 2010 41

  Find the mispelled word in the above. There is a "u" that doesn't belong. Help me out.

• Glans
  10:14 am on November 13th, 2010 42

  ChickenHead 34, the acceptable man terms for nationalities all refer to countries near England, or to England itself. They're all adjective + man. Chinaman is deeply offensive and abusive because it refers to a country far from England and is a noun + man. You've descended beneath political incorrectness into the depths of etymological incorrectness. A polite, refined, genteel blog would ban you, but this is the ROK drop, and you're a star! Now, getting back on topic, Obama is the finest orator of our time. He is the greatest master of the modern orator's main tool, the TelePrompter. Try to imagine the state of the world today if Hitler had that!

• Tom
  10:23 am on November 13th, 2010 43

  Is "China" a slur? Is "man" a slur? This is ridiculous. When was this ever a slur? I've had many white people call me a "Chinaman", and I was never offended. Just because they think I'm a Chinese man, am I supposed to be offended that they mistook my nationality?

  In Korea, we call the Chinese male, "Joong-gook namja". It translates to "China-Man". Then that must be considered a slur, right? Wrong.

  So how come I hear so many slurs of "Englishman"? That's a slur too, isn't it?

  If not, then shouldn't that be considered a slur?

  So somebody can call me Koreaman. Let's see if I get offended by that "slur". I doubt it. You can call me Koreaman anytime you want. I don't mind.

• Zilchy
  11:21 am on November 13th, 2010 44

  #38 – "Find the mispelled word in the above. There is a “u” that doesn’t belong. Help me out."

  Second to last paragraph – "disregaurded", eliminate the "u".

  Could some pleae inform me of the ethnic/subgroup identity of the following "slurs":

  Slops

  Bucket Heads

  Johnny Rebs

  Hodgies

  My guesses – Slops= Italians?, Bucket Heads=Marines=Jar heads?, Johnny Rebs=Southern Americans=Rebels, Hodgies=Arabs=a Hadge-An event in Mecca or Medina?

  #39 Glans – "Now, getting back on topic, Obama is the finest orator of our time. He is the greatest master of the modern orator’s main tool, the TelePrompter. Try to imagine the state of the world today if Hitler had that!"

  The state of the world would be no different. Germany still would have lost the war. As far as I know, the state of the German peoples' psychy was very poor and vulnerable at the time of the Third Reiches' rise to power. I'm not saying that Uncle Adolf was not a great orator, but his affect on the German people was greatly inflated due the German peoples' need for change and a new national coherency. They got their wish in a psuedo-madman.

• Glans
  11:31 am on November 13th, 2010 45

  Tom 40, China is fine and man is fine. Chinaman isn't. Here's the rule: for England and countries close to it, adjective + man. Englishman, Irishman, Dutchman, … Name of country + man? Never. Not Chinaman, not Japanman, not Koreaman. For a few nationalities, there's a noun and an adjective: Spaniard, Spanish; Swede, Swedish. For most, the adjective is the same as the noun: German, Russian, Chinese, Korean, Canadian, American …

• Tom
  11:36 am on November 13th, 2010 46

  ^ this doesn't make any sense. Why is it OK for some and not OK for others? Now you have to remember which countries are OK with country+man and which countries are not OK with country+man?

  You guys are so complicated. No wonder you guys can't adapt in Korea. You think everyone is out to insult you or get you.

  

• Retired GI
  12:59 pm on November 13th, 2010 47

  Tom, I like your logic far more than the thin skinned "none-asians" who call for a discriptive term to be a "slur", based on THEIR racism. Be you a Koreaman or a Chinaman, you make far more sence then those Round-eyes.

  Part two: Often koreans are out to "insult or get you". There was this one time in Itaewon, I was walking toward two couples alone. I could tell they had noticed me, only round eye around. When they got to speaking distance, one of the males smiled and bowed slightly, and said "F-u you SOB, in Hangul. It was meant to be simple entertainment at the foreigner's expense. Seen GI's do the same. I took no offence. I bowed and smiled and called him an A-hole, or as close as I could get with my limited skills. The girls were rolling with laughter. Only part of that day that I remember.

  Lesson: Someone is always out to get/insult you. No matter their race or country.

  Better toughen up that skin. There are enough real insults out there without making up new ones.

• Retired GI
  1:12 pm on November 13th, 2010 48

  41, slops and bucket-head refer to asians. Jar-head is for the Marines. Bullet sponge also, but can apply to infantry as well.

  I had a buddy, married to a korean. He used to sing a song: Oh my baby, she's a bucket head. Oh my baby, I'm going to ——

  Gotta go. The Sam Kinison Tribute is on. Miss that guy.

• kushibo
  1:34 pm on November 13th, 2010 49

  Retired GI, you don't know crap about me or my background, so lay off the social psychobabble.

  I'm not being thin-skinned. Tom said he was offended by my use of profanity and I thought he was being a disingenuous commenter by using racial and ethnic slurs in such a way that he was attributing them to other people.

  We made a deal that I would stop using profanity and he would stop using ethnic and racial slurs. Since we had an agreement, I called him on it when he used the word Chinaman, which is considered an ethnic slur owing to its history and origins.

  I don't like people attributing to me things I didn't say, including things like ethnic and racial slurs, and I don't like the way Tom tends to argue, which involves attributing racist beliefs and racial slurs to entire groups of people.

  So I spoke up when he failed to abide by our agreement. That's all. No thin-skinned person am I. I just got done watching Gran Torino yesterday and I laughed my arse off at the stream of racial and ethnic invective that came from the Clint Eastwood character's mouth. It was part of who the guy was, and it was funny in that way. Sure, he'd get fired for talking like that in most any company because he'd be creating a hostile work environment, but as part of the movie, it was true to life.

  I imagine you're a bit like the Clint Eastwood character, GI Korea, a dinosaur who doesn't get how and why the world has changed the way it has. Frankly, I'm surprised you know how to fire up a computer. But if I knew you in person and you were my neighbor, I'd hang out and have a beer with you any chance I got, even if you ran around complaining about Blacks, Jews, Asians, Latinos, women, and homosexuals. I wouldn't hire you for anything, since you'd end up being a lawsuit, but as a neighbor, why not.

• Tom
  1:50 pm on November 13th, 2010 50

  Hey look it's Kuo Shi Bao again, the Chinese man. Is that better now? I did not use any slur. The "Chineseman" is not a slur. Can I be your neighbor too? I always wanted to move to Hawaii, close to palm trees.

• ChickenHead
  2:03 pm on November 13th, 2010 51

  C'mon Kushibo,

  "And your #34 is different how?" = "I know you are, but what am I?"

  Anyway, back on topic…

  I suspect that Obama's reputation as a great speaker is based on the ability to deliver an emotion-stirring presentation filled with motivation and sweeping vision.

  But, much like the latest pop music or Hollywood "blockbuster", after the experience is over, one is left feeling empty… as his speeches lack real content and substance.

  I find it interesting that such a highly-championed speaker would blame the recent Democratic election failures, not upon policy, but a failure to communicate that policy.

  http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/05/obama-ackn…

  Can anybody here give us a summary of his speech? Were there any highlights of grand vision or statements of substance worth repeating?

  It seems Obama and his overly-theoretical and ideological-based group of advisers are just in over their heads at the national level and on the global stage.

  Motivational speaking is great for organizing a community… not so much for running a nation with lots and lots of problems.

• kushibo
  2:04 pm on November 13th, 2010 52

  As winter really kicks in up in Ontario, you'll be seriously wishing for a move to Hawaii.

  If you were here on Oahu, Tom, I'd totally hang out with you (schedule permitting). As I've mentioned before, I already have Mainland Chinese friends and classmates who are tasked with spreading pro-Beijing propaganda, so what's one more? Outside of their praise for all things PRC, their occasional bashing of American policy, and their looking down on Koreans, Japanese, etc., who won't stay in line with what the Middle Kingdom wants, they're almost all quite nice people.

• kushibo
  2:07 pm on November 13th, 2010 53

  ChickenHead wrote:

  “And your #34 is different how?” = “I know you are, but what am I?”

  Come on, you criticized three-fourths of the posts here as off topic with your very own lengthy off-topic post.

  Not for me but for thee, eh?

• kushibo
  2:09 pm on November 13th, 2010 54

  I didn't listen to the Yongsan speech yet, but I'll just say that I have never thought of Obama as an unusually great speaker. He did well at the DNC convention in 2004, which propelled him to the national spotlight, but while I find his grasp of facts and ideas to be reasonably sound, I think he falls short of articulating them well sometimes.

  I'll have to go listen to the Yongsan speech and see how it went. Maybe he does better when he perceives himself as the underdog.

• Glans
  2:48 pm on November 13th, 2010 55

  Tom 42, I try to befriend you, to help you with the English language, and you refuse to understand. You are so insensitive! I'm better off exchanging friendly comments with ChickenHead and Retired GI. They are caring, feeling human beings. And smart as a whip.

• Zilchy
  5:10 pm on November 13th, 2010 56

  #46 Kushibo – "I imagine you’re a bit like the Clint Eastwood character, GI Korea, a dinosaur who doesn’t get how and why the world has changed the way it has. Frankly, I’m surprised you know how to fire up a computer. But if I knew you in person and you were my neighbor, I’d hang out and have a beer with you any chance I got, even if you ran around complaining about Blacks, Jews, Asians, Latinos, women, and homosexuals. I wouldn’t hire you for anything, since you’d end up being a lawsuit, but as a neighbor, why not."

  Just imagine Retired GI as the CEO of a multi-national corporation, standing in a boardroom filled with representatives from multiple nations. He sporting a nice black pin-striped suit with a camouflage tie, flourescent orange hunting cap, an uzi in one hand and a 1/5 of JD in the other. I'm pissing myself right now………….

• Bill
  12:22 am on November 14th, 2010 57

  Getting back to the story, every time Obama speaks, I flashback to the 2008 elections and Hillary saying that giving a good speech is all Obama can do. It still seems true, giving speeches is all has done.

• Retired GI
  1:01 am on November 14th, 2010 58

  #54 Bill, you have figured it out. Hillary knew it. I knew it.

  But 53% of the voting public thought they were voting for the latest American Idol. Rather than POTUS.

• Retired GI
  1:57 am on November 14th, 2010 59

  #46 Kushibo. I don't need to know any facts about you. Your personality is on display HERE. As is mine.

  The stated fact that you are surprized that I know how to "fire up a computer", says more about you than it does me.

  The stated fact that you would not hire a retired army veteran of the Iraq war says much about you also.

  I did not succeed for 20 years in such a Politically Correct organization as the Army, by speaking my mind whenever I felt like it. To the contrary, I am a Military Trained Battalion level EO representative. So I know of what I speak and WHEN/WHERE I may be able to speak.

  As the faceless and nameless (RETIRED GI) I am able to speak the truth as I know it and observe it to be. Without the fear of a PC nut such as yourself wanting to set me straight.

  Bottom line for EO obsessed individuals is this: You can shut down speech (very unamerican), but you can't shut down thought. I like to know what people think, therefore I like free speech. Also why I come HERE.

  I never fully trust someone untill we've had a few drinks together.

  If you would enjoy my company on the weekend but not at work, you're a hypocrite. I do not spend my time with hypocrites. I can't trust them like I can someone that speaks their mind, when and where possible.

  I mostly bitch about stupid behavior. Sometimes the ignorance comes from blacks/negros, sometimes from white trailer trash, sometimes from self important Community Organizers that speak first and think later, sometimes from slops and spicks and wet-backs.

  While in the military, I spoke the PC language the audience demanded. I was Mr. Spock when I needed to be.

  But here, I enjoy being the tack in the chair of those PC obsessed individuals, such as yourself.

  The one known here as TOM played you. He won. I watched with a smile. You trusted that he would do as he/she said. I knew he was setting you up.

  Trust is earned. TOM hasn't earned any, but you gave it freely anyway. I doubt you would last long working for yourself. How many other people are playing you in your real life? Humm.

• kushibo
  3:38 am on November 14th, 2010 60

  Retired GI wrote:

  #46 Kushibo. I don’t need to know any facts about you. Your personality is on display HERE. As is mine.

  The stated fact that you are surprized that I know how to “fire up a computer”, says more about you than it does me.

  That you're responding to it in this way says about you that you seem to have taken a light-hearted dig as a serious statement of my convictions about you says you, um, maybe misread my comment? Maybe?

  The stated fact that you would not hire a retired army veteran of the Iraq war says much about you also. …If you would enjoy my company on the weekend but not at work, you’re a hypocrite.

  Um… something of a misreading of a light-hearted dig there, Retired GI (assuming what you're saying here "the truth" as you mean it).

  For starters, in my glad remark, I never said wouldn't "enjoy" your company at work. I merely stated that you could end up being a lawsuit.

  But in the real world, if I really did know you in person and I was really looking to hire someone with your skill set (which I'm assuming is more impressive than being a 컴맹 dinosaur), I would probably have gleaned the very thing you said above, which is that you know when and where to turn off the racial epithets and wouldn't end up causing trouble for your employer.

  Now whether or not those things should cause trouble is another matter. Though I respect the idea of creating a non-hostile work environment, I think PC stuff can go overboard. But if you think I'm a "PC nut" simply based on not wanting racial epithets I did not say repeatedly attributed to me by a disingenuous commenter, then you've misread me.

  Lately, for example, I've gotten a bit of flak in other K-blogs for a view I've addressed here but mostly in other blogs about HIV testing for English teachers. In a nutshell, I've adopted the decidedly un-PC view that current HIV/AIDS policy doesn't reflect today's public health realities but is instead a throwback to a time when AIDS was seen as an assault on the gay community and it reflects that today.

  And that I can state my view without using the words "fag" or "homo" doesn't make me a PC nut either. That you think I'm "PC-obsessed" may mean that you're seeing things to be there when they actually aren't.

  The one known here as TOM played you. He won. I watched with a smile. You trusted that he would do as he/she said. I knew he was setting you up.

  You mean you knew he wouldn't keep his word about the ethnic slurs? Why didn't you warn me? I had no idea Tom wouldn't keep his word. I mean… he's always been so honest.

  But you're right, I got played. I got so played that Tom got put on comment moderation "to see if he tones down his trolling," that's how well Tom played me.

  Trust is earned. TOM hasn’t earned any, but you gave it freely anyway. I doubt you would last long working for yourself. How many other people are playing you in your real life?

  Well, I've lasted since the mid-1990s working mostly for myself, filling several niches in my the fields I'm involved in and with right now four or five people earning modest sums of money that allow me to go to grad school in Hawaii debt free, and positioning myself with my grad degree to open up other big projects when I'm done, so it wouldn't seem I'm being played by too many people. I'm a cynic and a skeptic in real life, Retired GI. I take a Reaganesque "trust, but verify" approach to most things outside my circle of trust.

• kushibo
  3:46 am on November 14th, 2010 61

  Oh, geez was that filled with grammar errors. This is what happens when I start typing still bleary-eyed: I produce a document that would earn no more than a B+ in an ESL class.

• Retired GI
  2:03 pm on November 14th, 2010 62

  #57, you got him "out on comment moderation".

  Which means he won. We thin skinned americans can't take it.

  Who is next?

  TOM didn't bother me. TOM bothered you. TOM beat you.

  As for your self-congratulations, I'm happy for your success.

• kushibo
  2:18 pm on November 14th, 2010 63

  You seem to be the one that's bothered, Retired GI.

  Tom's not gone. Tom's still here. I've gone on record saying I find myself partly agreeing with a lot of what Tom says, so him being here doesn't bother me. In fact, if he can provide challenging ideas but forgo the race-baiting and the trolling (and the agitprop), I'd quite enjoy it.

• Retired GI
  10:06 pm on November 14th, 2010 64

  So you are open minded enough, as long as he obeys your rules? I get it.

  So it was the agitprop that got to you.

  You can handle the race-baiting and trolling.

 

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