By GI Korea on November 21st, 2010 at 3:48 am

ROK Drop Open Thread – November 21, 2010

• LG DACOM Stinks, Roy
  2:29 am on November 21st, 2010 1

  That "all over India" line is a bunch of crap.

• kushibo
  3:51 am on November 21st, 2010 2

  Tom is now officially allowed to comment troll freely again…

  There. Fixed that for ya.

  Tom succeeded in taking the Japan rope-stringing incident wildly off-topic in comment #5.

• Tom
  8:40 am on November 21st, 2010 3

  How is that wildly out of topic, Kuo Shi Bao? That case also applies to Korea because the two court systems (Japan and Korea) are very similar and the court judgement result would probably be the same, if this had happened in Korea. Then the whole gang, lead by you jumped on my back, calling me names.

• Zilchy
  10:22 am on November 21st, 2010 4

  Tommy Two Face,

  I still love you. I realize there's not an abundance of love on this site for someone of your intellect, but I for one am happy to see you back in action. You pretty much picked up, where you left off. I do admire your consistancy.

• Retired GI
  11:18 am on November 21st, 2010 5

  Get him TOM! Get that Kuo Shi Bao. Good to have your Chinaman self back.

• kushibo
  11:32 am on November 21st, 2010 6

  According to Wikipedia, which utilizes PC Magazine and Indiana University as resources for its definition, this is what a troll is:
  

  In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

  Tom's first volley, comment #5, clearly meets this standard.

  When he does things like this, Tom drags down the level of discourse about the topics presented at ROK Drop and in the aggregate it ends up crowding out more substantial and useful discussion.

• Tom
  12:14 pm on November 21st, 2010 7

  I think GI Korea should consider banning Kuo Si Bao for trolling. Look at how many people who are supporting me, and yet he's the only one on a campaign to get rid of me.

  It's Kuo who can't seem to stick to the subject by constantly complaining about Tom. Well, Tom is here to stay. Bad news for Kuo.

• Tom
  12:19 pm on November 21st, 2010 8

  English teachers in Korea should be thankful that Korea is there for them. Just look at what's happening in Ireland.

  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/world/europe/21…

  After reading this, I am more convinced more than ever, South Korea is a great country, which will only get better and better.

• kushibo
  1:40 pm on November 21st, 2010 9

  Tom wrote:
  

  I think GI Korea should consider banning Kuo Si Bao for trolling.

  Except that my behavior here doesn't meet any reasonable definition or standard of trolling. Yours does.
  

  Look at how many people who are supporting me, and yet he’s the only one on a campaign to get rid of me.

  Get rid of you? Please note the italicized clause in my comment #6. If you can participate here without trolling, things would be different (and much better).

  Note also that since your return from moderation, I have not called for you to be banned. Pointing out your trolling does not only have you being banned as an outcome or intent. You, on the other hand, keep trying to get me banned, so you really have no moral ground there.

• JoeC
  5:28 pm on November 21st, 2010 10

  Here is a dubious honor for Korea. Let's see how he/she is received for his/her achievement back home.

  South Korea's Mini celebrates on the stage after being crowned Miss International Queen 2010 in Pattaya, flanked by first runner-up Ami Takeuchi of Japan (right) and second runner-up Stasha Sanchez of the United States.

• kushibo
  5:38 pm on November 21st, 2010 11

  JoeC, Korea invented "don't ask, don't tell." If someone insists on flaunting their sexuality, most people will try just as hard to ignore it. In short, except for some sensationalistic articles that may be the subject of 커피 자판기 for a few days, most people will pay little attention to this and only a fringe few will go nuts about it in any way.

• Zilchy
  6:37 pm on November 21st, 2010 12

  Tommy Two Face – "After reading this, I am more convinced more than ever, South Korea is a great country, which will only get better and better."

  Ofcourse! Have you ever stated anything to the contrary? Do you believe this statement will surprise anyone here at the Drop?

• Tom
  7:52 pm on November 21st, 2010 13

  No, but this place needs to be reminded so that you guys don't forget. Besides, I like rubbing it in because I enjoy it. It's a form of payback for all the crap that I used to read on Koreans. I guess you can say it's sweet revenge.

• kushibo
  8:22 pm on November 21st, 2010 14

  Toronto Tom wrote:
  

  It’s a form of payback for all the crap that I used to read on Koreans. I guess you can say it’s sweet revenge.

  Which of the commenters here were writing "all the crap that [you] used to read on Koreans"?

• Hamilton
  8:33 pm on November 21st, 2010 15

  Kushibo, it's kind of a pre-emptive payback..cause Tommy Tang Clan is psychic.

• Tom
  8:58 pm on November 21st, 2010 16

  Kuo Si Bao is my stalker. Look how fast it took him to respond to me. I think he waits on me day and night, waiting on me to post.

• kushibo
  9:16 pm on November 21st, 2010 17

  Tianjin/Toronto Tom wrote:
  

  Look how fast it took him to respond to me.

  Thirty minutes. Lightning fast.

  Tom, new comments to any post I've written on end up on my iPhone. Sometimes I reply to yours "fast," but I also do the same with others (I responded to JoeC in ten).

  Just like in this case, I do notice you like to throw obfuscatory or off-topic responses when someone asks you questions you can't comfortably answer.

  I guess answering my question would show that you're getting "sweet revenge" on a bunch of people who had nothing to do with any original insult. Which is both pathetic and trollistic.

  And what's this "Kuo Si Bao" stuff? That you would try to Sinicize my Korean-language userid like that indicates you don't know what it means. Which is odd if you are a native Korean speaker.

• Conway West
  11:56 pm on November 21st, 2010 18

  Back in the good ol' days, the DoD used jet injectors and BDU boots were to be shined.

• Retired GI
  1:53 am on November 22nd, 2010 19

  18, I remember in 2002 when cold weather boots were issued. The instructions for proper care of the boots stated that polish was not to be used. Something to do with the breathing of the boots. Polish would clog the pores.

  Not that Military "leadership could read or understand the instructions". More shaking of my head, for the stupidity that I've seen in the ARMY.

  I still have one pair that I never polished. Had to chunk the other pair.

• Tom
  4:10 am on November 22nd, 2010 20

  "That you would try to Sinicize my Korean-language userid like that indicates you don’t know what it means. Which is odd if you are a native Korean speaker."

  Of course I know what it means. It means 95 in sino Korean number.

• kushibo
  5:33 am on November 22nd, 2010 21

  Oh, I'm sure you know what "kushibo" means, now at least. It would be something you could easily ask or something you would likely have picked up in basic language training.

  But I wasn't referring to your translation or lack thereof. I was referring to the way you parsed the components to Sinicize my nickname. Not the way a native Korean speaker would think to render it.

• Tom
  6:31 am on November 22nd, 2010 22

  Well, damned if you do, and damned if you don't. There's nothing that I can do to satisfy you. You don't exactly look so native Korean to me either.

• kushibo
  6:45 am on November 22nd, 2010 23

  Tom in Toronto wrote:
  

  Well, damned if you do, and damned if you don’t. There’s nothing that I can do to satisfy you.

  Of course not, not when you're lying about your bio. You don't have very good attention to details you can't fill in when you're actually lying about this stuff.

  And no, I'm not a native Korean speaker, but I've had considerable experience utilizing my long-established userid with native KoKos, and your Sinicization was a giveaway that you're not one of them.

  By the way, in Mandarin it would be Jiushiwu. No doubt you'll say that my knowledge of my userid in Mandarin is proof that I, not you, am the real Beijing agitprop, in the hope that people here will all suddenly become stupid and not recall that you, not I, am the one writing the pro-PRC crap all over the place and trying to drive a wedge between the US and South Koreans.

• Zilchy
  8:57 am on November 22nd, 2010 24

  I do like the Anthrax syringe at the forefront of the tray. I'm curious, is that supposed to portray the actual bacterium itself, or the vaccination for said microbe?

• Tom
  9:01 am on November 22nd, 2010 25

  "No doubt you’ll say that my knowledge of my userid in Mandarin is proof that I, not you, am the real Beijing agitprop"

  Bingo! You have been confirmed as the Beijing agitprop.

• Billy
  6:24 pm on November 22nd, 2010 26

  Hey guys;

  did we just go to war here? (Tuesday afternoon)

• Leon LaPorte
  7:26 pm on November 22nd, 2010 27

  UPDATE FROM USFK Facebook:

  U.S. Forces Korea (Official Page) You have undoubtedly been watching the news reports of North Korean artillery firing into the Northwest Islands off the coast of the Republic of Korea. I want to ensure you that this is isolated to the Northwest Island area. USFK is closely monitoring the situation and exchanging information with our ROK allies as we always do. We'll continue to keep you informed. GEN Walter L. Sharp, UNC/CFC/USFK Commander

  Tom you need to come home.

• JoeC
  7:34 pm on November 22nd, 2010 28

  In advance of the North Korean shelling becoming a topic of its own, I'll put a few thoughts out.

  I don't expect much from the South Korean government or any of the UN coalition nations that's any more of a response than we've seen before. Most of my interest will be to see what comes out of China.

  North Korea is only allowed to get bolder and bolder because they've been getting Chinese top cover. China has been conveniently playing the we-don't-have-proof-positive-North-Korea-did-it denial card. This time North Korea felt free to blatantly expose their hand which leaves China in a very awkward position. They can no longer deny their lackey is instigating unprovoked conflict.

  China now has no choice but to demonstrate their ability to hold North Korea accountable or be recognized as a tacit supporter of their actions.

• kushibo
  9:47 pm on November 22nd, 2010 29

  JoeC wrote:
  

  I don’t expect much from the South Korean government or any of the UN coalition nations that’s any more of a response than we’ve seen before. Most of my interest will be to see what comes out of China.

  I think this second attack may have changed that. It has become crystal clear that doing nothing has not stopped such attacks.

• usinkorea
  10:41 pm on November 22nd, 2010 30

  The question I have each time this happens is: how unstable is North Korea for the immediate future?

  I want to know about the food situation and Kim Jong-Il's health.

  We've seen a ship torpedoed, advertising of the uranium program, and now a sizable artillery barrage (against a limited target).

  Last year, we had to watch the nuclear test and then the ICBM test.

  I see all of these things as potential signs of internal worry in the regime — worry about North Korea's survival in the near future.

  And the most likely trigger points for civil war or a coup in North Korea would be a 2nd famine and the death or incapacity of Kim Jong-Il.

  When NK tested both a nuke and ICBM, I thought that the next (NK-) logical step, if it did not get the kind of regime-saving international aid it would need to feed it's people and pass out bribes to regime supporters, would be —- blood-letting.

  This year, we've seen two significant killing actions by the North.

  I haven't been paying close attention to events for some time, but this has my curiosity up, especially since I'm in the larger kill zone now….

• Tom
  11:05 pm on November 22nd, 2010 31

  #27, it's not that serious, LaPort.

  Besides, I thought you USFK guys are to leave South Korea? When are you guys leaving?

  Nothing will happen, because China is Korea's number one trading partner, accounting for half the growth.

  http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/11/123_…

  Now Kushibao will be all over me again now, for being Beijing agitprop.

  But seriously now, going forward, who would South Korea choose in the event that they have to choose either China or the US? It doesn't take much brain matters to know that money talks over any sentimentality.

  Chinese buy far more from Korea, than the US. US market for Korea is still important, but it's no longer an essential. If the US stops importing all Korean goods tomorrow, Korea will still be there, hurt yes, but still standing. United States is no longer needed for South Korea.

• ChickenHead
  11:16 pm on November 22nd, 2010 32

  "I want to ensure you that this is isolated to the Northwest Island area." – GEN Walter L. Sharp, UNC/CFC/USFK Commander

  If that is a general's writing skill, I don't feel very assured.

• JoeC
  11:19 pm on November 22nd, 2010 33

  #31

  And here I was thinking that South Korea's economic needs from the US was only secondary to their security needs.

  If the US were to depart, who would be South Korea's guarantor of security in the region? China?

• Tom
  11:35 pm on November 22nd, 2010 34

  Sure, why not China? They're our biggest customers. Why not?

• Tom
  6:13 am on November 23rd, 2010 35

  It's better than relying on the US and have the westerners here bitching and whining and threatening to leave Korea, to intimidate Koreans. Now that their economic power has been cut down by half, they can't say anything.

• kushibo
  11:14 am on November 23rd, 2010 36

  Agitprop Tom wrote:
  

  Nothing will happen, because China is Korea’s number one trading partner, accounting for half the growth.
  http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/11/123_76837.html

  The link you gave was intended as a reason why South Korea should NOT rely too heavily on China.

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