Since Tom is allowed to comment again I am sure that he will have plenty to say about this article:
When Alexandra and her friend Rachel, both graduates of Toronto’s Havergal College, an all-girls private school, were deciding which university to go to, they didn’t even bother considering the University of Toronto. “The only people from our school who went to U of T were Asian,” explains Alexandra, a second-year student who looks like a girl from an Aritzia billboard. “All the white kids,” she says, “go to Queen’s, Western and McGill.”Alexandra eventually chose the University of Western Ontario. Her younger brother, now a high school senior deciding where he’d like to go, will head “either east, west or to McGill”—unusual academic options, but in keeping with what he wants from his university experience. “East would suit him because it’s chill, out west he could be a ski bum,” says Alexandra, who explains her little brother wants to study hard, but is also looking for a good time—which rules out U of T, a school with an academic reputation that can be a bit of a killjoy.
Or, as Alexandra puts it—she asked that her real name not be used in this article, and broached the topic of race at universities hesitantly—a “reputation of being Asian.”
Discussing the role that race plays in the self-selecting communities that more and more characterize university campuses makes many people uncomfortable. Still, an “Asian” school has come to mean one that is so academically focused that some students feel they can no longer compete or have fun. Indeed, Rachel, Alexandra and her brother belong to a growing cohort of student that’s eschewing some big-name schools over perceptions that they’re “too Asian.” It’s a term being used in some U.S. academic circles to describe a phenomenon that’s become such a cause for concern to university admissions officers and high school guidance counsellors that several elite universities to the south have faced scandals in recent years over limiting Asian applicants and keeping the numbers of white students artificially high. [Macleans]
Make sure to read the entire article at the link.
This article is from Canada, but apparently this same sense of entitlement by non-Asians is happening in American universities as well. Really when you think about it, if an article such as this was written about barring black people from universities for whatever reason there would be outrage. However, since Asians don’t have the coveted “special victim status” people actually take seriously that Asians should be banned from colleges for being too smart.
Since Tom is going to university in Canada maybe this is why he is pissed off at whitey all the time, or he could just be a Chinese agitprop like some have claimed?
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1:51 pm on November 21st, 2010 1
Racial descrimination at universities and colleges have always been an issue still to this day. For me as an Asian that considers myself successful, you just may have to work a harder, not just in school, but beyond school. Wasting time blaming whitey on a mostly expat readership blog is counterproductive. Your not going to stop the rants of expats on a blog because it happens at the water cooler all the time. Ironically, most of the rants I hear are from Korean-Americans. Channel that bitterness on other things in life and live longer.
2:18 pm on November 21st, 2010 2
Growing up, my parents always told me that I had to work twice as hard, because if you don't prove your abilities beyond a shadow of a doubt, the Caucasians will not take you seriously. I don't know if I ever took them too seriously, but reading this article, I guess they were right.
I guess in the US though, it's not nearly as bad of an issue since we have a much larger population and more universities, so the concentration isn't nearly as severe as in Canada.
2:44 pm on November 21st, 2010 3
I would quibble with the use of the word 'smart.' I don't get that from the article and I don't think that's what it's about.
It seems to be a cultural thing expressed clearly in the article. The non-Asian students are looking for a place to have fun will they believe schools where the Asians prefer to go are too academically serious. Given. Asian students are more culturally driven to succeed academically than their non-Asian peers. It really doesn't assert who is 'smarter.'
Western popular culture also contributes to this by rating universities on where is the best place to party. And, of course, many of our latest politicians don't help by denigrating education and those who do well academically as elitist, preferring to promote folksy mumbo-jumbo.
3:51 pm on November 21st, 2010 4
Asians have been limited "for being too smart" for quite some time. I wrote as much here in July:
Actually, it was the smart but not super smart who ended up getting "limited."
By the way, Ask A Korean had a great post that covered many of these issues.
3:59 pm on November 21st, 2010 5
Great f'ing idea, lol!!! If I need brain surgery, if the world needs new sources of energy, or if we want the best weapons that can be designed for our national defense let's not have the smartest people admitted to college & then graduate. No to be politically correct let's have a quota. Hopefully the second tier brain surgeon won't f'up too many times. Hey if we have a second tier engineer design a new nuclear power plant that has a meltdown, oh well life is tough. Oh we have new fighter planes that fall out of the sky & rifles that won't fire because they were designed by second or third rate people that's ok because we showed how inclusive we are. How f'ing stupid can you get? As Michael Savage says, "Liberalism is a mental disorder."
4:22 pm on November 21st, 2010 6
I think the alarm is over "foreign" asian students. It is not unreasonable for any country to favor its own students over those from another country. Canadian Asians and American Asians if I am not mistaken are not the target audience here it is the hordes of Chinese and significant populations of Koreans and others.
As for smarter I'm not really convinced. If you are a 1 in a million genuis in China there are 1.4 or 1.6 million people just like you. It is demographics at work although I will admit that Chinese, Koreans and Japanese have much more strict educational programs through highschool.
Also, I had a number of Chinese in my graduate classes. They got good grades but were pretty much plant life during discussions. It wasn't their English comprehension rates, they really couldn't contribute new ideas for the most part. What little they did contribute was very dogmatic and doctrinally aligned with Chinese offical positions.
4:26 pm on November 21st, 2010 7
Did y'all see the Stossel Affirmative Action bake sale?
Here you go:
http://vodpod.com/watch/4882651-stossel-holds-aff…
4:36 pm on November 21st, 2010 8
#5 Mr. Langley,
While I do agree with the premise of your statement to a certain degree, I believe other factors are equally important:
Second Tier Brain Surgeon – How effective would an academically superior brain surgeon be if he/she had some undiagnosed nervous disorder or was a complete socail flake and was so "book smart" that he/she could not effectively communicate with colleagues, patients and family and someone died due to a simple miscommunication?
Second tier engineers – What good is an Engineer who can't "think outside the box". Most of the technologies we enjoy today did not originate from "first tier" peoples. Uncle Albert was a Swiss patent clerk prior to his rise to fame.
Rifles that don't fire – Kalishnikov rifles were sucessful based on the firing mechanism being comprised of "loose parts". Sand, water and feces won't stop the pop. I would bet the "tier one engineers" never thought of a loose firing mechanism being the most successful and lasting example of firing mechanics.
Some of those examples are a bit shallow, I know, let the flamming begin. I guess my main point being that "book smarts" are important in your examples above, but equally important are other foundations that compliment "book smarts". Like the Asian student who could tell you the square root of 12,342,111 of the top of his head, but can't figure out how to flush a toilet.
Also, who's to say that a "second tier" whatever will make a costly error or is truly any less worthy of the position at hand. If I was in a foxhole, I DO NOT want the Harvard graduate with the Hush Puppies and paisely tie next to me. I want Lemmy!!
4:46 pm on November 21st, 2010 9
#6 Hamilton – "Also, I had a number of Chinese in my graduate classes. They got good grades but were pretty much plant life during discussions. It wasn’t their English comprehension rates, they really couldn’t contribute new ideas for the most part. What little they did contribute was very dogmatic and doctrinally aligned with Chinese offical positions."
Exactly, for crunching numbers, sign them up! For anything else, water the soil – "They got good grades but were pretty much plant life during discussions." – Good one!
4:48 pm on November 21st, 2010 10
*facepalm
It's not that their too Academic.. its a University after all, but Academic in the dullest of subjects Math, Business, Medicine, Computer Science.
Hey, I was an Econ/Business Major, I get it, I'm dull too, but you can be all my classmates were Chinese or Korean.
No one is criticizing Asians for being too smart, they're saying the school is a boring place to study/live, because they would be surrounded by .. um.. Math Geeks? Furthermore, as much as we don't want to admit it, there are going to be cliques based on who can and can't speak English, and of course based on cultural commonalities.
If the girls in the article were worried about anything, it was 4 years of complete boredom and loneliness surrounded by Asians who didn't really want to be friends with her or couldn't relate to her.
No one, anywhere, ever has accused Asians of being 'too smart'. But nice try. Too Mathematical, Economical and Computer Scientific (fake words, its a joke, relax)? Hell yes.
4:50 pm on November 21st, 2010 11
*They're (1P)… Them(4P)…
Sigh..I gotta Proofread next time
5:17 pm on November 21st, 2010 12
Zilchy #8. You made some good points.
5:39 pm on November 21st, 2010 13
#10 Mike Robson
Yes, I agree, the girls were worried about the social issues. But, this brings up an excellent question – Should admission to a particular institution be based strictly on academics, extracurricular activities, leadership skills etc.?
"It’s not that their too Academic.. its a University after all, but Academic in the dullest of subjects Math, Business, Medicine, Computer Science.
Hey, I was an Econ/Business Major, I get it, I’m dull too, but you can be all my classmates were Chinese or Korean."
Mike,
You can choose to study anything you want and still have a sense of humor and some semblance of social function. Many Asian societal norms and education systems are so focused on one mode of education and their actual functioning society is so different from the west, that it SEEMS Asian students have a serious case of Asperger's syndrome and non-Asians just can't relate, thus the reason for the sense of segregation.
I have way too much time on my hands these days.
7:02 pm on November 21st, 2010 14
Universities should be careful about admitting students from Asian countries because of the rampant cheating during standardized tests. Make them take more tests when they arrive to guarantee the high test scores are an accurate guage of their academic abilities.
7:48 pm on November 21st, 2010 15
It's really true that Asians are really smarter. In my school, especially in labs, it's self evident. When we have projects that are divided into groups to work together to come up with projects. The ones that are really technical and brillant are the Asians – particularly Asian males. The white guys depend on Asians for the answers and are more interested in partying and watching hockey games. Sometimes I really wonder how they ever come up with great companies like Apple and Microsoft. But then you realize, the couldn't have done it without the Asian engineers to carry out the White guys' instructions.
Something is rotten in Denmark. But I do believe firmly that this is slowly turning into a day of reckoning for the West. As Neil Ferguson's books and articles have suggested, Western Empire of 500 years is coming to a rapid end. The knowledge revolution in Asia is ready to take on the new era of Asian dominated centuries ahead.
8:27 pm on November 21st, 2010 16
8:55 pm on November 21st, 2010 17
Guitar, enjoy that position while it lasts. Because it's not going to last very long.
8:58 pm on November 21st, 2010 18
"It’s really true that Asians are really smarter. In my school, especially in labs, it’s self evident. When we have projects that are divided into groups to work together to come up with projects. The ones that are really technical and brillant are the Asians – particularly Asian males. The white guys depend on Asians for the answers and are more interested in partying and watching hockey games."
I've worked in a Canadian university's laboratory as an assistant. One of my responsibilities was supervising the students and grading them based on their work. I can assure you all that Tom is full of it.
9:11 pm on November 21st, 2010 19
Tommy Two Face – "Sometimes I really wonder how they ever come up with great companies like Apple and Microsoft. But then you realize, the couldn’t have done it without the Asian engineers to carry out the White guys’ instructions."
Another inflammatory statement by Tom. Surprise, SURPRISE. Aside from the inflammation, I believe there is quite a bit of truth to this. The idea that Asians excel at academia is true, but it's lop-sided. The lack of critical thinking and originality due to Asian cultures, leaves Asians as those who "carry out instructions" and not those who "think outside the box and tend to take chances". Those in the latter group, the "white guys", are precisely the ones who founded all the current technologies, we as human beings enjoy, because of the abilities previously stated.
Two Face,
If you truly want the people of East Asia to rule the world in your self-prescribed utopia, you might want to consider injecting some testosterone into the testicles of your fellow yellows. Think outside the box, take some chances, show the world that mommy doesn't wash the skid-marks off your undies. Until the world sees some Asian originality, I'm afraid you guys will be continue to be the one's who -"carry out the White guys’ instructions."
Another Two Face beauty – "The knowledge revolution in Asia is ready to take on the new era of Asian dominated centuries ahead."
Yes Tom, the acquired knowledge with absolutely no idea what to do with it or enough content in the bean bag to generate something original and carry it out to full fruition.
As far as immitation (and claiming it as your own) is concerned, nobody holds a candle to the Asians.
9:20 pm on November 21st, 2010 20
Teadrinker – "I can assure you all that Tom is full of it."
I assumed that was a maxim that all of the "Drop" readers followed? Is there an alternative?
9:26 pm on November 21st, 2010 21
Napoleon
wrotesaid:So this "new era of Asia" that could appear at any time… we've been waiting around for it for two centuries already, like the Middle Kingdom is some sort of national Godot.
China does not have the capacity to dominate in a new era (too many mouths, not enough native creative types, too reliant on other countries' technology, etc., etc), but it will try to throw around its weight and in the process prevent countries like South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan from rising to their rightful place. China is little more than the biggest kid in a sandbox, and its attempts to control the satellite states around the Middle Kingdom just make it harder for the to achieve stability and then thrive.
9:59 pm on November 21st, 2010 22
Silly TD, Chinese Health care is far superior, they amputate the broken toe with a dirty piece of glass for donation to a needy party member in under 10 minutes. Sometimes they trump up a charge and hack out a kidney while they are at it. All hail the party! These are the world leaders Korea needs to follow.
10:07 pm on November 21st, 2010 23
You mean far superior Korean health care, Hamilton.
I agree Chinese healthcare is a joke. But they have like 2 billion people so it doesn't matter if a few drop dead. Because another group of them will take the place of the dead. They don't need good health care.
Just found in this today's news. The US will not be able to stop China taking over the US, as the sole superpower, says Neil Ferguson.
http://news.hankooki.com/lpage/world/201011/h2010…
10:09 pm on November 21st, 2010 24
In other words, you guys are bankrupt.
10:26 pm on November 21st, 2010 25
Oh, and this article is from Macleans. I take everything they say about education with a grain of salt ever since they came out with their Canadian university ranking in the 1990's.
10:35 pm on November 21st, 2010 26
Western ESL teachers making an ass of themselves while not realizing their empire is coming to a fast end.
http://www.monster-island.net/search/label/foreig…
This is what pretty happens in Western universities with their not stop frat boy parties. What's unique is that they've already graduated and yet they still do this. But what's more interesting is that they do this in a foreign country. It's no wonder all the computer programmers, engineers, and other technical jobs that require logic and skills are held by Asians. On the other hand, Westerners who are good at being frat boys are good at milking the old white boy's club to become know nothing bosses in charge of the Asian engineers. I give them at least one credit though, white guys tend to have better interpersonal skills that allow them to lodge themselves in positions they don't belong.
And oh yea, I've forwarded these pictures of White ESL teachers making fun of Koreans, to the Korean National Police and also various forums in Naver. I will next forward the site to the Anti-English Spectrum organization. I'm sure they will appreciate my volunteered services.
10:42 pm on November 21st, 2010 27
"I will next forward the site to the Anti-English Spectrum organization. I’m sure they will appreciate my volunteered services."
Dude you are the founder and master stalker, does your bipolar mind need to forward crap to yourself?
10:43 pm on November 21st, 2010 28
"But of course you would say that Teadrinker."
"By the way, I broke my toe the other day. I went to the emergency and ended up waiting for 5 hours to have it looked at. After the X-Ray, examinations, treatment, and payment – the whole thing was 12 hour ordeal. You guys have some serious issues with quality of health care. I saw seriously ill looking patients in the hallways, lying there, just waiting for beds. I’ve never been to a Canadian hospital before, but it was a real eye opener. Much touted medical coverage is just hype."
You've already claimed that you were not entitled to medical coverage in Canada. If that were true, you wouldn't have waited that long because you would have been a paying customer.
11:03 pm on November 21st, 2010 29
Obviously they don't care about paying customers. They lack customer service ethics apparantly.
Luckily I have insurance so I can claim it all back. 
11:14 pm on November 21st, 2010 30
TD, he might have been a paying customer, but racist tools tend to get poor service worldwide!
Either that or he is lying again, he has only been caught at it about 2 dozen times this year alone.
12:12 am on November 22nd, 2010 31
Meh. From what I have seen, a (un)healthy majority of Asians support policies like this which disadvantage them in the education field. If they enjoy being screwed so much, why worry about it?
12:12 am on November 22nd, 2010 32
I've never lied to any "white" person in my life. Well.. that was a little "white" lie.
Juuusssssttttt joking….
4:20 am on November 22nd, 2010 33
Tom, you don't need to talk about lying. It doesn't matter what you say, no one will ever believe you. I imagine if you are even able to write a thesis in English, you would never receive credibility.
4:24 am on November 22nd, 2010 34
I'm sorry but I just have to laugh.
4:53 am on November 22nd, 2010 35
“I’ve worked in a Canadian university’s laboratory as an assistant. One of my responsibilities was supervising the students and grading them based on their work. I can assure you all that Tom is full of it.”
But of course you would say that Teadrinker.
By the way, I broke my toe the other day. I went to the emergency and ended up waiting for 5 hours to have it looked at. After the X-Ray, examinations, treatment, and payment – the whole thing was 12 hour ordeal. You guys have some serious issues with quality of health care. I saw seriously ill looking patients in the hallways, lying there, just waiting for beds. I’ve never been to a Canadian hospital before, but it was a real eye opener. Much touted medical coverage is just hype.
Anyway, I digress, back to the subject. China is no worse than what the US was back in the 1870′s, when it was about to take the world by the storm. It has many problems, like the US back then. But it emerged to take the reign. South Korea will rise using China.
5:27 am on November 22nd, 2010 36
Tom in Toronto wrote:
Whose empire? How do you know those are ESL teachers? How do you know they're not Canadians? What about the Asian woman in the photo?
You're making an awful lot of assumptions there.
Why are you forwarding a link about Korea Telecom trying to open up iPhone service to foreign nationals, and a link about my views that there should be universal testing for HIV?
Why would the police be interested in that? Why would AES?
5:29 am on November 22nd, 2010 37
Affirmative action is unfair reguardless of who it benefits, and I've been saying for years that the practice needs to go. If asian students are more driven academically, they should reap the rewards of that.
5:34 am on November 22nd, 2010 38
No more affirmative action for legacy applicants!
5:50 am on November 22nd, 2010 39
What affirmative action do legacies get in this day and age? The best my college does is waiving application fees for anyone who can include a letter from an alum requesting the waiver. Besides that, legacies compete with everyone else for spots.
I'm sure relatives of some alums could get in through some behind the scenes maneuvering. About the only way to stop that is barring legacies from going to the same schools as their parents/relatives. Seems like a mighty extreme measure to take to stop an issue which likely is overblown.
6:21 am on November 22nd, 2010 40
Chris, some folks still believe legacy admissions are running strong:
Frankly, I like the message there:
A society becomes decadent and goes down a road toward dysfunction when power, prestige, and wealth are concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people.
I grew up mostly in California, where the UC and the CSU (both public) had a stated mission of educating the cross section of the state's population. Not just in terms of ethnic/racial make-up (which was made illegal back in the 1990s in a voter proposition) but also in terms of socioeconomic background, region of the state, etc.
California has a need and responsibility to have a student body that reflects the diverse background of the state, socioeconomically, geographically (which is great for people from Susanville or Crescent City), and ethnically/racially. It does not serve the state well if certain groups end up having a dearth of college educated people among their group.
As long as the people being admitted meet the clearly stated qualifications for admissions, I don't have a problem with reflecting the state's diversity (per above).
8:39 am on November 22nd, 2010 41
Tommy Two Face:
"Western ESL teachers making an ass of themselves while not realizing their empire is coming to a fast end."
"This is what pretty happens in Western universities with their not stop frat boy parties. What’s unique is that they’ve already graduated and yet they still do this. But what’s more interesting is that they do this in a foreign country."
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Tommy Boy,
There is some truth to your statements above, not that Koreans don't value their drinking culture and make asses out of themselves. Did you view the photos on "blackout Korea". Outstanding Korean citizens? The cream of the crop! Tom, you are a piece of work. One way, every day!
I believe what you really should look at is the Korean hiring practices with respect to ESL teachers. It seems somewhat older, experienced ESL teachers are passed over for younger inexperienced candidates these days. These younger (fresh out of college) westerners seem to be in high demand these days (as are female candidates with specific features, but I don't feel it appropiate to delve into the Korean male inferiority complex issue, as it clearly speaks for itself). You know Tommy, the ones who are more easily manipulated, require less wages, have less real world experiences, are less likely to take action when faced with the prospect of being "cheated" (in all it's various forms). These hiring practices clearly show how important actually learning the English launguage truly is in the Hermit Kingdom. There's an old saying which I believe still holds true to this day – "You reap what you sow", and Korean ESL hiring practices are the consumate sweat shops of East Asia.
Most ESL teachers are not surprised that Korea ranks as one of the lowest countries in terms of English comprehension as a second language. Clearly a perfect reflection of input-output.
P.S. – I wonder how many Kushibo memes I managed to touch upon in this post. I'm sure the master himself will inform me in due time.
9:30 am on November 22nd, 2010 42
Zilchy, you're playing into Tianjin Tom's hands. He's not a KoKo; his Beijing agitprop m.o. is to drive a wedge between the Americans (and other Westerners) on this site and KoKos. Pay him no mind, especially if he starts insulting English teachers.
And how do we know the people in the pictures are even ESL teachers? They could be among the hundreds of foreign students studying at the four six major universities near Shinchon who go there to party along with the KoKo students.
9:32 am on November 22nd, 2010 43
Are Asians actually smarter?
http://www.suite101.com/content/why-are-asians-so…
10:05 am on November 22nd, 2010 44
#42 Kushibo
For quite some time, I was thinking that you might have been mistaken in your "Beijing Agitprop" assessment of Two Face. Not that I don't have faith in your abilities and knowledge of the overall topic and hand, but because his rhetoric is childish in nature and his overall use of
and 
and 
and 
seemed to indicate a native ex-pat KoKo with a bone to pick.
I now do believe you may be 100% correct in your assessment. Not necessarily in regard to the "Agitprop" theme, but in Tommy Boy not being any part "Ko". Lately, it seems his responses (or lack thereof) are lacking in "common knowledge" of well known Korean social topics, especially those involving Korean-Western social issues, in S. Korea. Again, I could be wrong, as my experience and knowledge of East Asia is somewhat limited, but overall, "something stinks in Denmark", right Tommy Boy!
10:31 am on November 22nd, 2010 45
#43 Asiansare#1
I do not know if you are of Asian descent and your moniker is Asio-centric or if your non-Asian and it's sarcastic?
Anyway, decent link and I agree. One of my personal fears and hopes for change in the Asian mentality is the overall educational push, push, push theme. It's noble in itself, but leads to what I would consider an unbalanced and unfulfilled life. Too much time is dedicated to education and work, leaving very little time for anything self-fulfilling.
How sad would it be for anyone at an advanced age to look back and realize that the last 40-50+ years were spent trying to "get ahead" for the "overall good of one's society" and also come to the conclusion that in the process, they did not take enough time to enjoy the personal things they wish they had in their youth. We only get one shot, and it's a fairly quick one at that.
10:41 am on November 22nd, 2010 46
Long before I reached my conclusions, Tom's agitation of non-Koko members of this community was well established. The truth is, sometimes I found myself in strong agreement with some of his points, but usually not his delivery.
But he slipped up when he started spouting this pro-Beijing line that virtually no Korea-raised KoKo would ever espouse, especially since 2008. And then I saw the pattern that was just like the propaganda-spewings of my Chinese colleagues here in Hawaii — nice people except for this automaton-like view of whatever Beijing says about Tibet, Taiwan, and lately Japan, South Korea, and the US. After that, it was like I'd deciphered the matrix.
There is always the possibility that I'm wrong. Tom in Toronto (and yes, that is where he is, according to his IP address that gets left when he peruses my site, though for ethical reasons I'm not going to try to hunt down his actual location; no one deserves that, including Tom, who if I knew him in person I'd probably love shooting the shit over some beers and/or coffee) could very well be an outlier of some kind. A KoKo citizen so far removed from Korea and actual KoKos that he is stuck like a broken record on the pro-China rantings of a professor of his back in 1994 or something, even though everyone else has passed him by. IOW, even if my likely theory is incorrect, he still does not represent a typical KoKo, and his motive for being here is still just to agitate, annoy, and stir up shit.
10:47 am on November 22nd, 2010 47
I wrote:
Whoa. That looks like it could be misinterpreted.
I meant that I'd enjoy having a nice discussion with Tom while consuming beer and/or coffee.
I did not mean that I would like to shoot Tom after having lured him into a meeting at a bar and/or coffee shop.
Ten thousand apologies for the confusion.
11:29 am on November 22nd, 2010 48
#47
If that was intented to be sarcastic, that's the best one (and possibly the only one) I have heard from you yet. I'm sure those of us who have a solid understanding of the English language were fully aware of your intentions, not that the sarcastic route would be any less valid as to the "shat" portion. So I guess the clarification was for those who have a lesser comprehension of the language.
The imagery would be interesting. Would you actually suspend said person over your choice of beverage? Why would you limit it to just beer or coffee? I believe a bottle of whiskey and some shot glasses would compliment the overall scenario quite well. What would be your choice of hoist? Rifle or handgun? What caliber? Which part of the body? I would imagine a head shot would be an unconscious choice due to relative size proportions.
Solly, Again, I have way too much time on my hands and maybe I should consider a more consructive use of my time.
12:11 pm on November 22nd, 2010 49
I heard only 15 or so percent of military people have college diploma.
12:33 pm on November 22nd, 2010 50
Wow, all these conjectures by Kuo Si Bao, my head is spinning from all his "detective" work. And he's the one who's accusing me of going off topic.
Is there anyone else here who finds Mr. Kuo annoying? I am a true blue Korean, and I think the real Chinese agitprop is Mr. Kuo himself.
In a true Beijing manner, he wants to shut me up because he can't handle the truth. 
3:09 pm on November 22nd, 2010 51
Orbit, you would be wrong by a long shot. The data for 2009 has not been released yet but here is 2008s data.
• 2008 Army Active Duty Degree Holders*
• Associate Degrees = 47,400
• Baccalaureate Degrees = 65,099
• Masters Degrees = 21,921
• Doctorate Degrees = 1,185
Divide by 480,000 active duty yields 28+% degree holders. 98.6% are high school graduates compared with 76% nationwide.
3:48 pm on November 22nd, 2010 52
The other Tom #22, if you think that when & if Red China rises to be the predominate power in Asia that they will let Korea rise along with them then you are really deluding yourself. Red China doesn't want to share power with Japan, Taiwan, or Korea. They want to rule the roost as their aggressive actions in the nearby littoral zones demonstrate. If you think that Red China's rise will somehow benefit Korea, well maybe you ARE a Red Chinese agitprop. Red China doesn't give a flying foxtrot about Korea or Koreans. If they did then they would not prop up the NK regime which has starved hundreds of thousands of KOREANS. If Red China does become the big eggroll in Asia, the other Asian countries will wish for us longnoses to come back, mark my words.
3:53 pm on November 22nd, 2010 53
Tom wrote:
my
head isstories are spinning from all his “detective” work.There. Fixed that for ya.
5:11 pm on November 22nd, 2010 54
North Korea is shelling a South Korean island right now. The red balloon is up. Quick take cover! You guys can pack up and leave now!
5:31 pm on November 22nd, 2010 55
Tom, I know you won't understand this but the civilians of PY-do are being shelled. If many of them are not wounded or dead right now they are terrified out of their minds.
This is why you are a sociopath. People aren't racist toward you, they just recognize evil when they see it. This is also why your only friends are troll like animals such as yourself.
You re-affirm that you are scum nearly every day and even the death of civilians is reason enough to bring a smile to your face. I can truly say that YOUR death would make the world a little brighter, a little better, you have nothing to offer but darkness, misery and bile.
6:31 pm on November 22nd, 2010 56
I'm for removal of all affirmative action. I'm also for the complete removal of race / ethnicity / skin color and gender from all college / job or scholarship forms. Admittance / monetary assistance should be about pure potential and merits not about the color of your skin.
That being said, I'm also for the banning of bell curve or "adjusted" grading schemes. Class membership should not be penalized because a small handful of members were lazer-focused to the exclusion of all other activities. I'm also for the locking down of foreign students or at least limiting the number of applicants accepted. Its not about race its about students from other countries taking slots from local students, regardless of ethnicity.
6:35 pm on November 22nd, 2010 57
Hamilton, I take no joy in people getting killed. I am not a monster as you painting me as. Seriously. I have family in South Korea, why would I take joy in this?
6:53 pm on November 22nd, 2010 58
@51
The way you presented that data is a bit misleading, because the overwhelming majoring of BA,MA,Ph.D, holders in the military are commissioned officers. I would venture to say about 98% of degree holders are indeed commission officers. The last reports I read from 2007 puts the enlisted personnel holding degrees number at less then 5%, and holding A.A degrees at about 10%.
7:09 pm on November 22nd, 2010 59
Tom at 12:11:
Tom at 1:35:
Tom, just what do you think
means?
You protest that you wouldn't joke about this only after someone calls you out. Suddenly you have to cover your tracks, a typical behavior from you.
If you really were a South Korean and your first reaction was to
at how this is a good way to get USFK out of Korea, then there is, in all seriousness, a good chance you are a sociopath.
If you are some Mizar-esque entity playing Korean in order to drive a wedge between different groups, maybe your racist views toward Koreans would cause you to
and feel nothing for the people dying in Yŏnpyŏng-do. That might also make you a sociopath, but just be a plain old racist fu¢k would explain that as well.
I'm in Hawaii at the moment, but my home, my relatives, and many other loved ones and friends are in Seoul. I'm sickened by this whole thing. I can't possibly imagine any South Korean "lolling" about this. You're a fu¢king troll and quite possibly a sociopath. If you have an ounce of decency at all, recognize you really stepped over the line and stop being the way you are.
7:13 pm on November 22nd, 2010 60
It is time for South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan to get nukes.
7:38 pm on November 22nd, 2010 61
#58,
I concede your point and the Army G1 stat site does not break it down between officers and enlisted but 5% is too low. First termers are coming in between 5-7% from the numbers I have seen and few NCOs are not working hard on degrees. Over all the 135,000 degrees can't all be for officers, if anything I imagine that Associate degrees are under-reported. I know a few NCOs who are near finishing their BAs and have not reported the Associate Degrees they already qualify for.
Orbit was baiting the old line that soldiers are un-educated. The 98+% HS degree numbers blow that out of the water, everything else is pilling on.
7:58 pm on November 22nd, 2010 62
Kushibo,
It has been clear to me for a long time that Tom is;
1. Not Korea
2. A racist
3. A Sociopath
4. Most like a group of people or unstable
Much like north Korea, his behavior is undeniable and consistent. He is what I think of when I think of the word Evil. If you are not from whatever craphole spawned him he would knife you in a second and take your wallet while decrying the righteousness of his action against racists who have it coming.
10:26 pm on November 22nd, 2010 63
#62, hey I am really Korean. But I know Chinese and Japanese are laughing at us right now, and they're calling for more violence.
Read what the Chinese and Japanese netizens say. These are translated into Korean:
Chinese:
http://www.gasengi.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=pol…
Japanese:
http://www.gasengi.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=pol…
As you can see, both Chinese and Japanese are not very loving people when they're anonymous.
They're the real monsters, not Tom.
10:28 pm on November 22nd, 2010 64
@61
I would have to agree a lot of degrees especially of the associate variety do go unreported in ERB's and what not. It is fact the military of today is by for the most academically educated military the U.S has ever had. And are far more educated then the general public as a whole.
6:41 am on November 23rd, 2010 65
In American universities, they were talking about limiting asian students, not because they were too smart, but they were only BOOK SMART. most Asians get degrees in the sciences and with that you have to be able to discuss, facilitate, and share, and prove your results. the problem is many of them cannot do such. they can read and score perfect on all of the tests, but they apply any of skills or interpret their findings in proper English. in American academia, you have to have your work peer reviewed before it is submitted as worthy. and most of the time Asians work fails the peer review because of lack of English skills or ability to apply the skills they have learned. it's more a cultural thing than a race thing.
10:38 am on November 23rd, 2010 66
JoeC nailed it in comment #3.
2:31 pm on November 23rd, 2010 67
#65 Niki B,
Your take is probably dead on. Also, it must be that much more difficult for immigrant Asians to attend higher learning institutions, simply because English is not their first language. So, not only do they enter these institutions unfamiliar with the “non-comformist” way of the education system, in most cases, there English abilities may be lacking and communication may be an issue.
3:01 am on November 25th, 2010 68
Honestly I think the entire university / secondary education systems need an overhaul. We're no longer a society where only a few rich / lucky people go to this selective place where they read about old plays and other such things for a few years then go work at their fathers business. Most universities have completely BS degree plans where you spend the first four years doing crap just to get a paper to be allowed to actually learn the important stuff. High school has become nothing but free baby sitting, or hyper test preparation just to get into a university. How much better would things be if somewhere in the 9~10th grade students with technical / scientific aptitude could be put on a separate education path. A system where they'd work directly under / with members of their career fields, similar to the old guild system. Then you'd have people educated / trained up in their early twenties vs their mid / late twenties. The US Military does something like this already, new troops start their technical jobs immediately after technical school but under the supervision of a senior member. Heck we have 18yr old air traffic controllers….