By Unlike gay rock stars like Dan Choi who get special treatment, Lieutenant Colonel Terrence Lakin should receive no special treatment and should be discharged from the military:
An Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questioned President Barack Obama’s eligibility to be commander in chief told a jury Wednesday he was wrong to do so and would now deploy if he could. Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin of Greeley, Colo. was speaking during a court martial hearing Wednesday at Fort Meade.
He faces up to 3 1/2 years in a military prison and dismissal from the Army after being found guilty of missing a flight that would have gotten him to his eventual deployment and pleading guilty to disobeying orders to meet with a superior and to report to Fort Campbell in Kentucky. He asked the jury to let him remain in the Army when it decides his punishment, and jurors are expected to begin deliberating on his sentence on Thursday.
“I don’t want it to end this way,” said Lakin, a 17-year veteran of the Army. “I want to continue to serve.”
Under questioning by his defense attorney, Neal Puckett, Lakin expressed remorse for disobeying orders. He said he now understands that the Army cannot answer his question about Obama’s eligibility to be president and that it was not the appropriate place to raise the issue.
“I was wrong for trying to push this issue within the Army,” he said. [Associated Press]
Yes it is weird the President won’t release his long form birth certificate just to put a stop to the controversy, but that shouldn’t be an excuse to not deploy. I just don’t see how the two are related and he is screwing some fellow soldier over because someone had to deploy in his place. Clearly this guy like Dan Choi put his own personal political beliefs ahead of his own military responsibilities and should be discharged for doing so.
2:12 pm on December 15th, 2010 1
"Unlike gay rock stars like Dan Choi who get special treatment, Lieutenant Colonel Terrence Lakin should receive no special treatment and should be discharged from the military"
Apples and oranges. Dan Choi is fighting for his rights to serve. This guy, not so much.
2:18 pm on December 15th, 2010 2
"Yes it is weird the President won’t release his long form birth certificate just to put a stop to the controversy"
It's weird people are asking for it when we know his birth was announced in two newspapers. Ask any psychiatrist and he or she will tell you to never indulge a patient's hallucinations.
2:26 pm on December 15th, 2010 3
Lakin is an idiot and should go find out how life is in the private sector with a federal conviction for stupidity. Good luck finding a job, 'doctor'.
3:27 pm on December 15th, 2010 4
Assuming Lakin is an MD and has no professional issues, he won't have any trouble finding work as a civilian doc. He'll find plenty of colleagues who agree with his politics, too.
3:43 pm on December 15th, 2010 5
@ Glans:
Oh, I don't know about that. It's not whatever his 'politics' might be that would concern a potential employer, rather his obvious lack of good judgement – what a dolt. But, perhaps you're right…he'd probably qualify for a bottom-feeder job like being a prison doc.
4:23 pm on December 15th, 2010 6
This J off disobeyed a lawful order. If a NCO or a junior enlisted troop did the same thing their a$$ would be in a sling. Let's get a sling for LTC Lakin. I believe that President Obama should release his long form birth certificate but that is NO EXCUSE for making an a$$ out of yourself & being a p poor example for other troops. The EXACT same thing applies to Dan Choi. There are many who agree with his stance of DADT repeal but to chain yourself to the white house fence IN UNIFORM is disgraceful. BTW the House of Representative voted a stand alone DADT repeal bill that was offered by a Democratic Congressman who was defeated for re-election (I wonder why? I guess his constituents thought he was out of touch.) We'll see if the Senate will have the votes to kill a filibuster. LTC Lakin says that he is sorry now, too bad Colonel. You can bellyache to your cellmate & explain to your wife that you won't have a pension. Like Ron White says: "You can't fix stupid."
4:49 pm on December 15th, 2010 7
I'm not sure Dan Choi was in uniform. I looked for US markings and didn't see them.
I'm not sure, either, that Obama has a long-form birth certificate. Is anyone sure? If so, how?
5:48 pm on December 15th, 2010 8
Glans #7, if you google 'Dan Choi white house fence photo' you will clearly see that Dan Choi is in uniform with the US Army, his name, & an American flag clearly present. Mr Choi certainly has the right to his opinion but to protest IN UNIFORM when he was on active duty is a disgrace & is conduct unbecoming a commissioned officer. If DADT is repealed and if Dan Choi chooses to re-enlist in the US Army I hope they court-martial his a$$. If you look at a long list of countries where the military decides to get involved in politics the results are not good. Some examples would be Burma, North Korea, a number of African countries, and a number of Latin American countries primarily in the 1960's & 1970's. The President Obama apologists will say that the governor & the public health director have seen the long form birth certificate & that we should just accept their word for it. Maybe it's just me but I have a hard time trusting politicians, I want to see the long form birth certificate for myself. If the President were to agree to release it I think that it would reduce a lot of the political rancor in the country but the liberals just love to stir up $h!+.
7:01 pm on December 15th, 2010 9
"The right to serve" is a phrase coined by pro-homos .
There is no right to serve and there never has been.
There is a duty to serve, but it comes with qualifiers- if you don't meet them, you can't serve- in that service, perhaps any military service, depending on the constraints/restraints.
If you have a calling to serve, there are many ways to answer that calling, and not all of them need be in military or naval uniform.
7:42 pm on December 15th, 2010 10
Tom Langley 8, I found a site called http://www.joetresh.com which has a photo of Choi with US ARMY legible over his left breast and an apparent US flag visible below his right shoulder. If it's genuine, then I agree, he should be disciplined.
As to the 'long-form birth certificate' I think you're admitting that you don't know if Obama has one. You don't seem to know if one even exists in Hawaii, or if Obama has any power to 'release' it.
Vince 9, black activists spoke of a "right to fight" during World War II, when they wanted to get black soldiers into combat units, as a step to integrating the armed forces and then the country.
8:45 pm on December 15th, 2010 11
They might have spoken about it, but they were mistaken.
Actual rights are pretty few in number- we often hear about the right to health care, jobs, education, and so on… Nope. Interesting idea, but to grant such "rights" to one person, you have to infringe on someone else's rights.
Our Bill of Rights goes down a list of natural rights. Pretty good place to start.
9:30 pm on December 15th, 2010 12
Only officers are capable of maintaining strong convictions. Funny, now he's facing time he's not so sure… Shaky. He should be knocked down to E-1, dishonorable discharge and as a minimum serve his deployment time hard labor at Leavenworth. But he'll walk and probably write a book.
I've never seen this "right to serve" clause in the bill of rights. Nor is there a right to drive… I was always taught service was a privilege and duty.
9:51 pm on December 15th, 2010 13
GI Korea wrote:
No, it's not. Here in Hawaii the issue gets addressed from time to time, and all matter of officials — including the (just now former) Republican governor at one time — have looked at Obama's records on file and have declared that the form he was given and has released is accurate and valid.
There is no there there with this story. I trust the slew of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents with proper authority who have verified this. He was born in Hawaii and he has demonstrated that quite satisfactorily. So to answer your question, then once he has done that, to give in to demands for more evidence and then more evidence and then more evidence, is to let the people hell-bent on trying to destroy him get the upper-hand.
His eligibility was checked out by the powers that be before he became president, but then his birth certificate was demanded, and he issued what everyone else in this state issued. When that wasn't good enough, Hawaii State authorities verified that they had checked the records and it was all valid (i.e., that he was born in this state), and so then the Obamabashers demanded his "long form" (who has that? I sure don't), and if he issues that (if that is even possible), then they'll demand something else.
Why should he keep playing their game? He has verified — and others have also verified — that he was born in Hawaii.
11:56 pm on December 15th, 2010 14
#1 Teadrinker, get it right. Dan Choi HAD the right to serve. He never had to fight for it. It was freely given. All he had to do was not "openly" (outside his group) speak about love for sucking a pole. (that was too difficult for him to do.)
12:01 am on December 16th, 2010 15
2 Teadrinker, News paper announcements are NOT the long form.
I had to show mine to be a PFC in the Army. I think being POTUS is a bit more important, so should AT LEAST have to fulfill the same.
The only reason not to show it is that it didn't exist. Period.
12:11 am on December 16th, 2010 16
Kushibo, he has NOT VERIFIED. Why? Because (we the people) have not seen the long form.
His presidency will always be a sham until (the People) see it.
I know you do not understand, but that is the way it is.
12:46 am on December 16th, 2010 17
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2:26 am on December 16th, 2010 18
"“The right to serve” is a phrase coined by pro-homos."
Nice try. Nothing gets my blood pumping like the thought of making sweet love to my woman (to quote Isaac Hayes
)
Had you paid any attention to any of my posts, you would have know that I'm not pro any group. I'm far too misanthropic for that (Shit, I even refuse to call myself an anarchist because of all the spoiled kids and survivalist crackpots who've monopolized the term in recent years). What I'm against, though, is ignorance and injustice.
2:29 am on December 16th, 2010 19
"I had to show mine to be a PFC in the Army. I think being POTUS is a bit more important, so should AT LEAST have to fulfill the same."
Did you have to print yours in the newspaper? No? Well there you go.
3:22 am on December 16th, 2010 20
Teadrinker wrote:
This is a serious question: Are the long forms of every president born in the twentieth century available somewhere to view (and presumably then online)?
3:28 am on December 16th, 2010 21
The local Honolulu Star-Advertiser is reporting that both of the state's US Representatives voted to repeal DADT, including Charles Djou, a captain in the Army Reserve who is the first Republican in years to represent Hawaii.
I only mention that because Lieutenant Dan is from Orange County, which is the next Congressional district over from here.
5:00 am on December 16th, 2010 22
20, "Are the long forms of every president born in the twentieth century available somewhere to view (and presumably then online)?"
Ask the Democratic Congress that demanded John McCain to present his to them in the election.
THEY seem to think so…at least if you are not the "Chosen One".
5:29 am on December 16th, 2010 23
TEADRINKER,
" My hate is general, I detest all men; some because they are wicked and do evil, others because they tolerate the wicked, refusing them the active vigorous scorn which vice should stimulate in virtuous minds."
I can see why you didn't just say,"I don't give a chit".
And the answer is (yes), I had to look it up
I'm going to have fun with my (new word) in Hillbilly country
I could almost call you "brother", but I'm far too misonthropic for that.
5:40 am on December 16th, 2010 24
Retired GI, good point. Can you please show me a link to where the Democratic Congress "demanded" John McCain present that? I'm don't recall that, but I don't follow this issue so thoroughly that that would necessarily cross my path (if they demanded it and he released it early, I might easily have missed it in the news cycle).
Obama's birth certificate, on the other hand, is an issue that plays prominently in the local media I regularly read. In Honolulu because of the issue of abuse of government services from individuals from outside Hawaii making the same request over and over again for a form "they have no legitimate right to the information," and in Orange County because Orly Taitz is there.
So if there was some short-lived brouhaha where McCain's long form was demanded and he issued it, I do not recall hearing about a brouhaha. I do recall hearing some people question his eligibility to be president since he was born in what is now Panama and the law that made clear all such children born to Americans there are native born US citizens was passed after his birth (?), but those were Romney Republicans, not Democrats.
Anyway, even if McCain issued his, that does not go to my point at all. First off, McCain is not the president. More importantly, McCain would be issuing his only in the context of what might be a new public demand for publicly viewable release of the long form even after the standard certificate has been released. To see if this has been the norm or if it's a new standard tailor-made for Obama, we should go back to those who were president (and perhaps major presidential candidates) prior to when this became such an issue.
So, instead of McCain's, do we have George W. Bush's, Bill Clinton's, George H.W. Bush's, Ronald Reagan's, Jimmy Carter's, Gerald Ford's, Richard Nixon's, Lyndon Johnson's, and John F. Kennedy's. (Or, for that matter, their respective VPs' and those of their respective opponents, such as Al Gore, Walter Mondale, etc.)
I'm asking, not saying. I do not know the answer. And though I'm satisfied he has answered it as best as adequately as he needs to, the answer might change my argument a bit one way or the other.
6:18 am on December 16th, 2010 25
You're a trip Kushibo. You play innocent. You ask others to do what you can do just as easily.
You show me links where it didn't happen.
It is likely that you followed much closer than I, the previous election.
I have other interest like drinking and whoremongering, shooting and drinking. Oops. Anyway, so you show me where MCcain didn't have to show his BC to congress.
When in doubt, it must be proven….unless you're the Chosen One.
You know it. I know it. But 53% of the voting public were too uneducated to know it.
Now don't get me wrong. I am delighted…let me say that again, I am DELIGHTED that Obama is POTUS. This is the most entertaining political drama that I will likely ever enjoy.
It has reduced the democrats to looking like pre-teen drama queens. Only took two years! Unheard of. Very entertaining!
6:31 am on December 16th, 2010 26
I have no idea what kind of information is on a Hawaiian long form birth certificate but there was probably a reason why they summarized it into a short form.
It could contain private or personal information such as the parents social security numbers and any medically observed birth marks or defects the child may have.
Should we make it standard practice to have all of that made public?
7:43 am on December 16th, 2010 27
>His eligibility was checked out by the powers that be before he became president““The right to serve” is a phrase coined by pro-homos.”
Nice try. Nothing gets my blood pumping like the thought of making sweet love to my woman (to quote Isaac Hayes )
Had you paid any attention to any of my posts, you would have know that I’m not pro any group. I’m far too misanthropic for that (Shit, I even refuse to call myself an anarchist because of all the spoiled kids and survivalist crackpots who’ve monopolized the term in recent years). What I’m against, though, is ignorance and injustice.<
No- you are QUITE proor any open homosexual agenda. Not sure why. Don't care. I'm not pro-ANYTHING or ANYONE which jumps up to either take another sledgehammer swing at a respected institution within what was a proven and superior culture. But "the powers that be" no longer want us to be that shining light on a hill. They want people who like to anally copulate and drink each others' boiling love mustard to have top billing in a caricature of a civilization that was.
Bill Clinton was the presidential candidate who trumpeted "the right to serve". After his shining example of service, itself a tough act to follow.
8:13 am on December 16th, 2010 28
#26 For Christ sake, the guy isn't applying for a loan to finance vinyl siding
9:17 am on December 16th, 2010 29
GI Korea wrote:
You are the one that made the claim that "the Democratic Congress… demanded John McCain to present his to them in the election." Not me. And how am I supposed to prove a negative anyway? Are people writing articles on how McCain was not demanded by Democrats to show his birth certificate? If there are (and there might be), they are being flooded out of the appropriate Google search by things like "Senator McCain’s GOP Challenger Calls For Obama’s Birth Certificate."
Really? Why? I think you're making a lot of assumptions about me. I didn't even vote for Obama (but I did vote).
You made the claim, so go show it, or admit you made a mistake about the claim (and honestly, I don't know if you're right or not, or the context and circumstances if you are right… if the Democrats really did as you said, then I might be inclined to alter my position a bit on this).
So where are the other presidents' long forms again? I'm not saying they're not there, but you're talking as if they've been presented, but where are the links?
9:18 am on December 16th, 2010 30
#26 There is this new invention. It is a (black-marker).
Gov-ment uses it alot I hear.
9:22 am on December 16th, 2010 31
#29 What is wrong with you? I am NOT GI Korea. I am Retired GI.
If you can't get THAT right, why would I try to prove anything to you.
Not like you WANT to know. You just have nothing better to do.
You show me the links that say I'm wrong
9:27 am on December 16th, 2010 32
By the way, to one and all, it is thursday nigh and the game is on soon.
(one of my other interest) I'm going to go and (mix a few) and watch the game. See you tomorrow.
9:27 am on December 16th, 2010 33
Kushibo 29, you said "GI Korea" when you menat "Retired GI". Second warning. After a third warning you will be required to present your long-form blog certificate.
9:35 am on December 16th, 2010 34
LTC Lakin has been sentenced to military prison for 6 months & will be dismissed from the service (The type of discharge wasn't listed). Good Riddance dirtbag!
9:57 am on December 16th, 2010 35
Sorry about the "GI Korea" mistake. I have a carpal form of Tourette's and I was afraid I'd type "Retarded GI."
Now either provide a link to your claim, or just admit that you misremembered or made up the claim about Democrats demanding McCain's long form birth certificate. You're the one who made the claim, I've at least tried to look into what you're talking about and couldn't find anything, so since one generally cannot prove a negative in a case like this ("You show me links where it didn’t happen"), it's incumbent upon you. For criminy sake, at least refer to when or who or something.
Glans wrote:
I tried doing that and ran into obstacles.
11:42 am on December 16th, 2010 36
Retired I'm calling BS on you being required to show your long form birth certificate upon joining the Army. My birth state is Louisiana, Louisiana doesn't issue long form birth certificates only the exact same thing PoTUS Obama has. Upon joining the US Army I had to show them my "birth certificate", I asked if that was ok and they said it was just fine. Myself and millions others have joined the US Armed Services using short form birth certificates, you are not special. He has done exactly what you were required to do and yet you demand he do something you were not required to do.
Just give it a fcking rest already, you know there is nothing to this, its not even an issue anymore. Your just using it to push an agenda now.
2:47 pm on December 16th, 2010 37
Someotherguy, I have no agenda. It will always be an issue. I had to show by BC. Call BS if you wish. It is 4 feet behind me right now. Where is Obama's? Are you gonna tell me I'm that much better at keeping up with my "paper work" than Obama? Maybe I should be president next. I have more experience!
Kashibo, provide links to prove me wrong or STFU.
CHARGERS OVER 49ers 34 > 7. Damn. I feel bad for Mike Singletary. Love the guy. But I'm also a fan of Chargers #43, so I'm not crying.
Took 9 shots of J&B to get me thru the game. Did you see that guy without a helmet in the 1s quarter get taken out? Helmet to head contact!
6:05 pm on December 16th, 2010 38
Ok your either very obtuse or deliberately not getting it. President Obama, like myself and millions other natural born US Citizens does not have a long form birth certificate to show you. It doesn't exist, it never existed, it never will exist. Instead the state issues a shorter certificate of live birth to the parents and creates a record of live birth that stays at the department of healths record storage vault. In essence your demanding a document that could never exist in the first place while blatantly ignoring its replacement which not only exists but has been verified umpteen times.
Myself and millions upon millions of your fellow Americans, many of which are conservative republicans, some even elected politicians, do not have a long form birth certificate. I could get on a plane, fly to Louisiana, walk into the department of health and demand my "real birth certificate" and all they'd do is give me a weird look and produce the exact same short form I have now and let me look at the record of live birth from the hospital. And BTW the hospital records are not valid forms of citizenship only the certificate of live births that are generated with them. So even if it was photocopied and put on the web, its STILL wouldn't be good enough.
And yes you have an agenda as demonstrated through out this entire mess. I refuse to believe your so stupid that you can't understand this. You just want to keep a controversy alive and slander someone that opposes your political views. You've already discarded the truth you purport to be seeking and instead are out to spread misinformation. You have become the spin doctor, and not even a professional one, you don't even get paid to do your spinning.
6:21 pm on December 16th, 2010 39
Let me put it this way then and maybe it'll get through your skull.
Would you then deny the children of US Service members and their foreign wives the opportunity to run for PoTUS? Are you saying that children born of a US Soldier and their Korean wive in Korean are not natural born US citizens and not eligible for political office? They sure as hell don't issue certified "American" "Long form birth certificates", you know the only "real" proof you were borne where you say you were. Or are you applying your rules to a single man and only a single man to the exemption of all those on your side of the political spectrum. McCain never show'd his long form birth certificate to the public, neither did Palin or any other GoP Governor or Congressman. Would you say the Governor of Louisiana or Hawaii, or any other state that doesn't issue your Retired GI *approved* birth certificate is ineligible for running for PoTUS?
Seriously the Governor of Louisiana doesn't have a long form birth certificate and can't possibly get one. Are your applying your rules to everyone or just to one man whose political ideology differs from yours and happens to be partially black? Maybe next election the liberals should do the exact same thing to the GoP candidate. I honestly hope whomever gets nominated is from a state that doesn't use long form birth certificates, just so people like you can eat your words.
10:28 pm on December 16th, 2010 40
#39, let me put it this way, John McCain was able to produce documentation to PROVE he was born on a US Military installation, outside the US, which is US soil. As demanded by the democrats, who did NOT demand the same measure of prof from Obama.
Is that clear?
"happens to be partially black?" Really? You're going to call be a bigot? Or a Racist? Go ahead. I thought he was the post racial President. I guess you proved HIM wrong didn't you.
For the record: he is part Kenyan black and part Alabama white. Since I have white relatives in Alabama, the Pres and I just might be related. (you know what they say about them there white women from Alabama)
More to the Point: The Pres has no, zero, nada African American blood in him. None.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY
3:51 am on December 17th, 2010 41
Obama's birthplace is not clear,
so Red States have something to fear
but it's all a diversion
to hide his perversion
and cover up sex with Sinclair the queer
4:59 pm on December 19th, 2010 42
@40, President Obama produced the exact same thing I have stored in my documents safe. The certificate of live birth issued by a state that doesn't issue the other form of birth certificates. It was vetted and verified long before he ran for president. The Hawaii state health department even went in an verified their own record of live birth and the original copy of the certificate of live birth.
It over with, done, finished. Anymore attempts to point fingers just makes you guys look like tin-foil hat wearers. You make it sound like you did something he wasn't when in actuality he went a step further then you. A certificate of live birth counts for the US Military, I'm walking breathing proof of that so don't even try that argument. No body demanded your state show them your original record of birth.
1:49 am on December 21st, 2010 43
It is about as "over" as wondering who ordered the murder of JFK. The fact that you Liberals resort to the (oh so common and childish) name calling, is enough for me to believe there is more to this. So please, keep reinforcing my doubts.
You sound like someone deathly afraid that someone will learn the truth.