By It is pretty sad to see the finger pointing going on in regards to the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, but here is a post to put all the false information out there to rest.
First of all it was disgusting to see the media and even a politician say that the killer Jared Loughner was a US military Afghan veteran with absolutely no facts to support such a claim. There has already been a online campaign started to get the politician Linda Lopez to apologize for the claim. It is just outrageous that people would just rush out there and say this guy was a veteran which only feeds the unstable veteran stereotype with absolutely no facts to base it on. What is ironic about the whole blame the angry veteran claim is that it was a retired veteran, Colonel Bill Badger who claims he helped subdue the gunman:
“There was a couple standing next to me and I was speaking to them. When he started to shoot, I remember stepping back a little. I would say he was about 25 feet away from me,” Badger said. “I turned and saw him running down the line of people on the chairs. He ran between me and the store. Someone hit him with a chair and he flinched a little. That’s when I grabbed his left arm. Someone grabbed his right arm and we got him to the ground. The other guy put his knee into the back of his neck and I grabbed him around the throat. We held him until police got there. While we had him on the ground I saw blood running and it wasn’t until then I realized it was coming from the back of my head.”
I don’t expect the media to be trumpeting this as quickly as the angry veteran claim, but I guess we will see.
Secondly it is disappointing to see the Pima County Sheriff and everyone else that immediately after the tragedy began to point fingers at political enemies. Much like with the claim that this guy was a veteran, such claims of this guy being motivated by the Tea Party and Sarah Palin are obviously not based on any facts. You would think decent people would wait and let the facts sort themselves out instead of instantly trying to score political points from this tragedy. One of the common claims by the left is that Sarah Palin’s graphic of “targeting” voting districts across the country is inspiring violence in this country. Here is the graphic:
I don’t think such a graphic is in good taste, but it is quite interesting to see her critics jump on this when the left has been using such graphics as well:
If you are wondering each of the above three graphics come from websites of Democratic Party origins. Heck the largest liberal blog the Daily Kos had their target list back in 2008 where they had Giffords name in bold to be targeted for election defeat because she was a moderate Democrat. One Kos blogger actually wanted her dead.
Even President Obama has used gun reference when talking about political opponents. Heck the liberals even made a movie dramatizing the assassination of President Bush.
A lot of this stuff is in bad taste, but regardless none of this is something that inspires someone to commit violence; all it does is make people hardened in their opinions of political opponents and makes it harder for people in the different political persuasions to work together on tough issues. I am all for a discussion on the increasingly inflammatory rhetoric on both sides of the political isle, but this tragedy has nothing to do with it and not the time and place for it. What government officials should have been doing is encouraging people to keep the affected families in their thoughts and prayers and tell the media to wait until all the facts come out before drawing conclusions on why this tragedy happened. Instead we got political finger pointing that the media was more than happy to inflame themselves.
A sad day for America.
6:32 am on January 9th, 2011 1
Nice job pulling together all these links exposing the hypocrisy of the left and their bogus allegations. The fact of the matter is that nearly all of the politically motivated violence in this country comes from the so-called progressive movement (for example, the SEIU union thugs).
Most of the time, senseless violence is done at the hands of madmen with no political agenda whatsoever. The Arizona shootings appears to be such an example.
7:00 am on January 9th, 2011 2
Youtube video of Democrat using crosshairs in campaign.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA&fe…
7:05 am on January 9th, 2011 3
I think some of this can be considered in the context of politics, particularly that of the more localized perspective of recent politics in Arizona.
First of all, the sheriff of Pima county. I distinctly remember him for where he stood in the last year. He was the most prominent opponent to the illegal immigrant show-me-your-papers law. He said he would refuse to comply with it because it would require his officers to do racial profiling. He also rolled his eyes at the governor's claims about increasing crime rates from illegal aliens and beheading on the border. Pima county cover's Arizona's longest border stretch with Mexico.
Then we have to look at the atmosphere of politics during the last campaign. Even some Tea Party candidates were concerned about stoking the wrong flames.
Over the past two years we've seen snippets of very heated and contentious town hall meetings across the country. These must have reached very scary and intimidating levels in Arizona. Even intimidating to JD Hayworth, the guy running to the right of John McCain in the Republican Primary.
From this point of view, one can better appreciate what the sheriff saw, as a security officer, and was responding to.
Now the shooter. Was he someone who attended some rallies and who was "getting too excited, who seems a little farther on the fringe"? That will be left the psychiatrists to find out. But if you grab a stick and poke out some of the corn kernels in the turd pile of his rants; "won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver." It seems part of his paranoia has to do with the national debt, maybe the monetary system and maybe the Federal Reserve. I seriously doubt this kid's drug baked brain has a deep understanding of any of those things but somehow the ideas got into his head that they were really a threat to him.
8:01 am on January 9th, 2011 4
The sad thing is that the lefties were blaming Palin, claiming the demented was a soldier, and demanding Tea Party and GOP apologies before the bodies of the slain were cold.
Read this: http://www.schwarzreport.org/resources/you-can-tr…
They have not changed their tune since Stalin blamed the kulaks and Hitler blamed the Jews.
Their religion is hate and their god is death. They hate your freedom and mine and seek to silence all other voices.
They may succeed or fail in conquering America; but we see them a lot clearer now that we have the Internet. That's why they want "Net Neutrality", to take bandwidth out of the hands of those who pay for it and give it to unelected bureaucrats.
We see them. And we know who they are. But we continue to vote for those who facilitate the takeover.
It may not be too late. Vote wisely.
8:14 am on January 9th, 2011 5
Oh, for eff sakes. Some of you guys need to grow up. The one in custody is most probably a paranoid schizophrenic. There's apparently a video of him on Youtube ranting about government 'mind control'. Fact is that since 9-11, there's been an 'anything goes' sort of attitude amongst the American media when it comes to its political reporting (mainly on the conservative side of the spectrum). That sort of BS was bound to influence nutcases. Face it, the guy didn't do what he did because he was trying to get Jodie Foster's attention.
9:49 am on January 9th, 2011 6
GI Korea- Saying someone "is dead to me" and wishing someone was dead is much different.
"I am all for a discussion on the increasingly inflammatory rhetoric on both sides of the political isle."
I'm so tired of this LIE. The rhetoric coming from the Left is a) non-violent and b) not packaged as news and spouted from the top down. Stop trying to make this two-sided when it is clearly not. GOP leaders parrot what they hear on talk-radio and the weak MSM follows suit.
Setnaffa -read up on Net Neutrality. You clearly have a tenuous grasp of what it actually is.
10:02 am on January 9th, 2011 7
#6, Yeah, way to ignore every other reference. Leftard…
10:09 am on January 9th, 2011 8
Every time you point your finger, there are 3 fingers pointing back at you.
11:49 am on January 9th, 2011 9
What reference?
You mean the movie "W" that was largely condemned and not praised by a single person in Dem leadership or the simple literary gun-references that are not intended to embroil an already paranoid, fickle and ill-informed base.
The issue here is that GOP leadership tolerates and praises their proxy nuts. Palin, Beck and Limbaugh are lionized as torchbearers for the new GOP far-right leap. Deny it all you want, but the more that these loons hear "revolution" and 2nd Amendment remedies", the more normalized this behavior becomes.
12:21 pm on January 9th, 2011 10
You are clearly missing the point here and like Ed Morissey and the rest of the loons over at Hot Air-thou doth protest too much.
First of all Palin's back pedaling does not square very well with her rhetoric at the time-she new exactly what she was doing-and she made a deal with the devil to advance her own interests. Now she looks bad. Would it be so hard for Palin to admit that she was wrong, apologize and promise to stop?
Of course it would. Human decency is and always will be beyond her.
Second-the Sheriff made no direct connection between hateful rhetoric and the shooter. He did reference the climate of hatred that’s been stirred up in Arizona.
The Expat has it right. There are a lot of agitated people out there and a lot of heated rhetoric-and in recent years most of it comes from the teabaggers. As I have pointed out before-Tea Party demagogues scream at people that their government is illegitimate, that their country has been “taken away,” that their elected officials are “traitors” and that their freedom is at risk. They have a right to free speech. Butt they shouldn’t be surprised if some listeners take them literally. There is no reason and no excuse for blockading the free speech of the Tea parties-but they would all do themselves a great favor and us, by stopping the idea that the end of human civilization is upon us just because a Democrat is elected President.
12:23 pm on January 9th, 2011 11
#9 THANKS, for your Liberal Rant. It is so obvious that you know not of what you speak.
I find you to be carrying on the same ole tired rant the left has been screaming since I retired in 2005. Boring and flawed.
The issue here is YOU, and those Liberals like you. I do not find you disgusting.
I find you amusing. A good example of why the Democrats are failing.
Have a nice Liberal day.
12:26 pm on January 9th, 2011 12
GI Korea. A very good post. Keep up the good work.
Please continue to enlighten us. (by "us" I mean Me)
12:31 pm on January 9th, 2011 13
#9 "The issue here is that GOP leadership…."
Oh no no no!
The movie "W" wasn't a big deal because the Democrat leaders didn't praise it? Who cares? I work in an industry filled with liberals. To sum up the way my colleagues reacted to that movie, lets just say all the fapping would overload the largest sperm banks and the orgasmic energy if harnessed could light up Los Angeles for days.
And while were at it, why do you ignore GI Korea's targeting comments?
12:39 pm on January 9th, 2011 14
#10, How did the President get into this? I like the man. He is helping my cause. By pointing out the Progressives to be voted out.
He's doing a bang-up job. He can have a beer summit with me — anytime.
He's so SLIM and HANDSOME too. Plays Basketball and golf. Great smile!
He will still have to buy the beer. As my healthcare cost may be going up soon.
You have a good Liberal day now.
12:39 pm on January 9th, 2011 15
Retired GI- It's probably best that you're retired. The world has progressed far beyond your sensibility.
From where I'm standing, the Right seems to believe that by allowing the government to do their job (collect taxes, invest, regulate, etc…), they somehow become a demi-god, one, in their minds, that liberal seem to worship and beg for help. The USA is falling behind because we don't invest in education and we don't invest in alternative energy. We on the Left WANT the government to care for it's people because the private sector fails each and every time. Health insurers fail just as banks do.
That being said, the Right makes cute statements like "nanny state", but to me, it seems like they are the ones who believe that the government is a god ruling them. Have they been duped so much to think that the gov't has that much power?
Same thing happened with the far-lefts in the wake of 9/11. The "truthers" were being idiots. Now, we have "birthers", but here's the difference: No one in Dem leadership was a "truther". An alarming number of GOP leadership are birthers.
The far-left nuts have been largely underground and rarely surface. The far-rights nuts are everywhere and in charge of the House. That's why Palin and the Tea Party shares the blame in the violent and toxic atmosphere.
12:56 pm on January 9th, 2011 16
Democrats are good. They know what is best for each of us. Most of us should not be allowed to make any decisions which affect our lives. Democrats are smart.
Republicans are bad. They caused gum disease and flat feet and stuff like that.
1:02 pm on January 9th, 2011 17
#13
Praise??? Nice frame. Leaders usually have a fews option: they can ignore (most common); they can condemn; or they can praise. They can not, however, control each and every movement within their party. The GOP doesn't condemn anything that they believe helps their cause which, of course, is nothing more than regaining the White House.
Did the GOP condemn Hannity for calling a group of GOP-ers Tim McVeigh wannabes? NOPE.
Did they condemn Beck for calling Obama a racist? Tepidly at best.
Do they condemn Limbaugh for his daily hate show? Once, and they immediately retracted the condemnation.
Also, the cross-hairs and targets are all disgusting and careless. The difference is that they are clearly more loaded when Palin uses them as she is a (faux) hunter and gun rights trying to rile up her base.
1:09 pm on January 9th, 2011 18
#16
The Dems believe that the government can be a force of good in peoples lives. The Dems are not making decisions FOR you. In many cases, they are trying to create an environment where everyone can thrive.
Case in point: obesity. America has a huge problem and it's a failure of parents and education. Since the parents have proven themselves to be ill-equipped to manage the growing rate, the government needs to step in. Why? The health problems associated with obesity will bankrupt us. Does that mean the Dems are making decisions for you? No. It means that they are trying to create an environment where obesity is not an issue.
1:19 pm on January 9th, 2011 19
At #9 the movie I am referring to if you bothered to click the link was Death of A President:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President…
Could you imagine if someone made a movie about the assassination of President Obama?
What I find amazing about comments like #9 and #10 is that they complain about heated rhetoric and then go around calling people they disagree with "teabaggers".It is also like they just slept through the Bush Administration years when he was hit with constant vitriolic and inflammatory attacks from the left not to mention all the claims he was not a legitimate President and that he staged 9/11.
Anyway none of this has anything to do with what happened in Tuscon. This guy appears to be a schizophrenic with views that make no sense to a rational person.
1:20 pm on January 9th, 2011 20
It's always nice when people do things for other people. Especially when people don't want things done for them.
I have never listened to Rush Limbaugh. Have you?
1:21 pm on January 9th, 2011 21
"Anyway none of this has anything to do with what happened in Tuscon. This guy appears to be a schizophrenic with views that make no sense to a rational person."
Yes, and we can all agree that it's high-time to adopt Korean guns laws, right?
1:25 pm on January 9th, 2011 22
Sensibility? I'm a retired Soldier. Not an 80 yo. A soldier can retire as young as 40. But something tells me that is STILL way older than you are.
Where in the Constitution does it say the FEDs are to "care" for the people? Are the people children? As for the Private Sector, where would you be without it? Government workers produce, make, nothing. Private Sector does the everyday work. If you were older than 25 you might know that.
The far-left nuts are underground? Hollywood is underground? As for Birthers, that is an easy fix. But He hasn't done so. I am happy he is our President.
You children needed a "young person" to be Prez. You got what you wanted. A "Community Organizer". WOW! Watch him and learn!
Nothing "cute" about a Nanny state. Perhaps you enjoy being told what to do and how to live. Me? Not so much.
1:27 pm on January 9th, 2011 23
I think all of you calling for gun laws need to wait until you are old and frail, then get mugged and robbed by someone younger and stronger than you.
Maybe you can blow a whistle or something…
1:28 pm on January 9th, 2011 24
20, Neither have I.
1:43 pm on January 9th, 2011 25
This is why I can never be a leftist, you have to ignore what your loons say and do.
I would have to ignore "Death of a President" murder porn of a sitting president.
I would have to ignore Randi Rhodes broadcasting a murder fantasy of President Bush along with four GUNSHOTS and then a "Try it punk" with a cocking noise.
I would have to ignore Code Pink "We support our Soldiers who kill their officers." Never called to account.
I would have to ignore the numerous death threats and fantasies too numerous to list for Dick Cheney by "enlightened" thinkers of the left.
I can't do it. It is bad both left and right but I will hold the right accountable. Where are you guys on the left? Where were you?
2:02 pm on January 9th, 2011 26
The Expat: Hypocrisy is thy name.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/3/6/1… Ooo, he backed off wishing Cheney dead! That makes it okay…right?
How about Randi Rhodes, gunshots for the president?
How about code pink "we support our soldiers who kill their officers"?
How about Michael Moore, Iraqi insurgents are minutemen heros?
How about the well presented evidence GI Korea put in this blog?
Did your reading skills go away with your logic skills?
2:03 pm on January 9th, 2011 27
Not only am I older than your arbitrary cut-off age, but I happily pay taxes, own property, have family, work in the private sector and have a firm grasp on what the Constitution says AND doesn't say.
Look, it boils down to this: we have different ideas of what role we want the government to play. Now that the Right and, excuse me GI Korea, SELF-proclaimed "teabaggers", have fetishized the Constitution (when it's convenient as witnessed by their stunt reading) and claim to be it's protectors, they get to make claims like #22. Still, it doesn't make it so. The Constitution is living.
#23
Ban the guns right out. Hunters can go and pick up their guns at the police station and return them afterwards. If the name of the game is protection, there are plenty of non-lethal options. Won't happen anytime soon, but eventually something does need to happen.
2:11 pm on January 9th, 2011 28
Expat #18:"Case in point: obesity. America has a huge problem and it’s a failure of parents and education. Since the parents have proven themselves to be ill-equipped to manage the growing rate, the government needs to step in. Why? The health problems associated with obesity will bankrupt us. Does that mean the Dems are making decisions for you? No. It means that they are trying to create an environment where obesity is not an issue."
"Needs to step in"? They stepped in long ago. Yes, since the government deemed obesity to be an "illness" and legitimate "handicap" and banned transfats and coconut oil popcorn Americans sure have slimmed down. Great environment that government intervention has created.
2:15 pm on January 9th, 2011 29
Educate me, expat.
You are smart. Therefore, you should be in charge. If anyone doubts that simple fact, all that person needs to do is ASK you. YOU have the ANSWERS. You KNOW what the Constitution means.
I'll boil the tar. Who has the feathers?
2:20 pm on January 9th, 2011 30
#25
And they were wrong, but aside from Michael Moore (which wasn't really inciting violence), NONE of those people have the reaches and influence that the Right media does.
Why can't anyone understand this? You can dig around all you want and find examples of extremism on both sides, but the mainstream and establishment acceptability of the far-Right's rhetoric is the issue. THAT is what this entire thing is about. Forget the nutcase in AZ.
None of you are arguing the Hannity, Angle, Beck, Palin, Limbaugh comments because you know they are culpable.
YOU, Hamilton, are not seeing the bigger picture here and if it makes you (and GI Korea) feel better to ignore the point and just post incomparable examples from both sides, so be it.
2:20 pm on January 9th, 2011 31
So Expat you "have a firm grasp on what the Constitution says AND doesn’t say". Does the 2nd Amendment say "Ban the guns right out"?
2:23 pm on January 9th, 2011 32
#27
Weak argument. Imagine what the rates would be if the gov't hadn't done that much. American parents seem to be the problem with that one.
2:26 pm on January 9th, 2011 33
Expat…
I will adopt Korean gun laws when the gang bangers and the third-world invaders and the meth heads and those who glamorize a criminal lifestyle adopt Confucianism.
Until then, I'll keep my guns and you can keep your apples and oranges of false comparison.
2:29 pm on January 9th, 2011 34
#30
Read on to where it says the document is "living". We've had no problems changing the Constitution when it is deemed necessary. Time for the guns laws to be seriously changed.
2:38 pm on January 9th, 2011 35
#32
That would be something.
Still, just because "they" have guns doesn't mean you need them. We have a police force and if we didn't cut their funding all the time, they might be able to do their job. Of course, now, we're getting into arms trade and drug laws, so maybe I'll stop here.
3:09 pm on January 9th, 2011 36
“This guy appears to be a schizophrenic with views that make no sense to a rational person.”
I agree. He is a paranoid schizophrenic. His mental illness, not political beliefs, caused his actions.
3:16 pm on January 9th, 2011 37
Expat…
Yes… "they" have guns… just like "they" have drugs and "they" had alcohol… despite hundreds of billions in well-financed and highly motivated policing.
What most gun-grabbers don't fully grasp is that it is easier to make a gun than it is to make meth, it is quicker than growing pot, and it becomes more powerful and profitable in the hands of the criminals when only they have them.
Control guns all you want… but the worst sort of motivated criminals will still import or make them to accomplish real crimes… against well-meaning yet misguided people like you.
Let's say guns became illegal later today and all honest citizens turned theirs in. As an intellegent guy observing what happens when there is an imbalance of power between average people and a violent minority, in every place from Mexico to prison populations, what is your opinion of what would happen next in an American society where only the worst criminals remained armed?
3:17 pm on January 9th, 2011 38
Happy to know that schizophrenics have access to guns one way or another.
3:31 pm on January 9th, 2011 39
#36
I understand your point and agree that it's going to be really difficult no matter what we do, but doesn't there need to be some sort of action?
I take it that you own a gun, and while I believe you could have a less lethal weapon in your home to protect your family, let's say, for the sake of your argument, you keep it and nothing about the current law changes.
Do you feel safe or do you feel protected?
I assume you feel "protected" and that, to me, is the problem. There is a reason we need to feel protected and once we -all of us- do something to truly make our country safer, then this discussion can't simply end on "Well, they have weapons."
I have no easy solution and I don't think there is one, but is there anyway to discuss trimming back on gun ownership without being called a 'grabber" or other fun names?
4:13 pm on January 9th, 2011 40
In the 1992 Los Angeles riots, Korean business owners were forced to protect themselves from looters since police refused to enter Koreatown. The business owners with guns still have their properties today. The business owners without guns had their properties burned down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5ttIHV12s
4:47 pm on January 9th, 2011 41
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
Right-wing violence was on the rise then and still is now.
5:00 pm on January 9th, 2011 42
what gun laws changes will prevent things like this from happening???
5:09 pm on January 9th, 2011 43
a couple of other points what is with the left media i remember after the Ft Hood shooting they were all about getting the facts straight and determining who Hassan was before labeling him a terrorist but once this white dude was identified they were all over the angry vet profile without any substance
trolls!
now here is a quote from an article
"He did not like government officials, how they spoke. Like they were just trying to cover up some conspiracy," one friend told The Associated Press on Sunday.
"Both friends spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they wanted to avoid the publicity surrounding the case. To them, the question was classic Jared: confrontational, nonlinear and obsessed with how words create reality.
The friends' comments paint a picture bolstered by other former classmates and Loughner's own Internet postings: That of a social outcast with nihilistic, almost indecipherable beliefs steeped in mistrust and paranoia."
this description fits most liberal progressives i know!
5:13 pm on January 9th, 2011 44
Expat,
"I understand your point and agree that it’s going to be really difficult no matter what we do, but doesn’t there need to be some sort of action? "
Perhaps… but taking guns away from people who have no inclination to commit a crime is a poor "sort of action".
It is feel-good rhetoric by idealists and politicians who value easy emotional appeals over complex thinking, difficult decisions and uncomfortable realities that will actually solve the problems.
"I take it that you own a gun,"
Yes and no. I live in Korea. I owned and carried in America. In Korea, it is not necessary… because of the culture rather than a law that criminals will simply violate.
I am not an ideologue on this so Korea's gun laws don't bother me.
The reasonable relationship between the government and the people, the lack of violent subcultures, the propensity for crazy people to harm themselves rather than others, and the timidity of most criminals, does not really require the citizens to be armed.
America has a different culture and different needs. People should be armed to keep the government in line… to keep violent subcultures restricted to their own enclaves, to protect against crazy people who frequently harm others, and where the brutality of many violent criminals is truly unbelievable… especially when confronted by the unarmed.
Once again, if you change the culture in America, firearms ownership is no longer an issue… such as in Switzerland where EVERYBODY has a machine gun and a bunch of ammo.
But I understand. "Ban the Guns" is easy to say and it feels good… especially for emotion-driven first-level thinkers.
And emotion-driven first-level thinkers vote.
Sadly.
There are actually MANY guns in Korea… everything from Koreans who lived in America and smuggled them back just to have something cool… to large quantities of arms left over from the Korean war that people throughout the country stashed away "just in case"…
…not to mention the unrecovered contents of the Kwangju armory which was emptied by citizens at a time when the relationship between the people and their government was not so good… and the people needed to be armed to change that.
I was trying to buy some nightvision in Pusan about 12 years ago and was offered a Makarov and a box of ammo for $150 from a Russian sailor.
Tempting… but, like drugs in Korea, I don't need that hassle.
"Do you feel safe or do you feel protected?"
That is a good distinction… and, as you presume, safe in Korea, protected in America…
…but even with more police, as you advocated in a previous post, I would still feel only "protected" in America. I just feel more protected when I can confront the guy kicking in my door with something more than a threat to call 911.
A large body of scientific literature backs this feeling up.
But you are right. The culture needs to be changed to feel safe. But there is no safety in taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. While that is easy, it solves absolutely no problems… because… let's say it together slowly…
They… aren't… the… problem.
Criminals already have their guns taken away… in theory… and you see how well that is working out.
"is there anyway to discuss trimming back on gun ownership without being called a ‘grabber” or other fun names?"
Hmmm… I don't know exactly where the line between trimming and grabbing is… but gun ownership has been constantly trimmed back since the 30s. And the large anti-gun groups are very clear that one of their strategies is to keep "trimming" until there are no guns. That sounds like grabbing.
Obviously, I don't know where you fit on the spectrum… although I'm suspicious of anyone who focuses on gun control as any kind of solution to the huge social problems in America… most of which have been created by groups who support gun control.
To keep this exchange valid, please explain what form of gun controls you advocate, how gun control fits into your ideas of changing American culture, and my previous question about what you think would happen if honest citizens gave up their guns but criminals continued to have them.
5:23 pm on January 9th, 2011 45
#20 & 24, to proclaim that you never listened to Limbaugh is extremely hard to believe when, many of your posts are almost exact quotes from him. I guess some other extreme right winger repeated the rhetoric and somehow you just happened to pick up on it. It amazes me when those on the right continuously use soundbites that were on Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Faux and Friends etc. But, then claim to be original thoughts. Nope, I don't buy it. Lemmings, being led around by your "neocon" heroes.
Yes, I do listen to most of the right wing talking heads as well as the left. I like to know what is being said on both sides. I especially want to know who has been pushing the hate speech to stir up the unthinking. That award appears to go to Glen Beck right now. However, when he backs off, one of the other "righties" has no problem picking it up.
10:11 pm on January 9th, 2011 46
Wall Street Journal has a good Op-Ed on this matter:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703…
12:52 am on January 10th, 2011 47
Billy G, call me a liar if it makes you feel better. But the truth of the matter is that I do not listen to Limbaugh. I do watch the Beck show from time to time, when he isn't crying. I don't always agree with him, but I had never heard of the weimar republic before he spoke of it. Nor had I heard of Van Jones, except from Beck. How beck calls for violence is beyond me. I find him entirely too "soft" for me. But he has some information so I watch.
I never thought of myself as an extreme right-winger. I believe in America and that it is an exceptional idea. That it is intended as a country of independent peoples and thought. Not Children in need of "care" as some on the Left believe.
I was raised with guns. I own guns. I know how to handle guns. I know what guns can do. I support the constitution.
If you find me to be Extreme, then I submit that it is my natural state. I need no "leader" to tell me what to think. Believe it or you can call me a liar AGAIN, but there are those among us who are capable of independent thought.
Trust me when I say this, I often had problems with those appointed above me in the military. I have always had my own ideas.
So while you may require someone to tell you what to think, I do not. But I sometimes do require facts and information. If the information presented makes sense to me, I can then form my own Opinion.
I'm sorry (for you) you do not know more people, such as myself. I was not raised by sheep or to be one.
1:04 am on January 10th, 2011 48
#34 Wrong. Police only arrive to clean up the mess and document the evidence.
They do not prevent crime.
(you avoided answering my question #22) I knew you would. Liberals are quit predictable.
The day I must go to the police station to pick-up MY rifle to go hunting and the day I am no longer allowed to own and maintain my pistol, will be the day I move to Switzerland.
From there I can safely watch the fall of America.
1:29 am on January 10th, 2011 49
Liz #27, rather than put controls on the free market to save the fat-bodies, I have another solution.
Don't treat them. Let them die. They made or allowed themselves to become useless fat-bodies. Let them die the death they arranged for themselves.
They made the choice. Not Governments business to force them to eat right and exercise. (as I do)
Now if you want to educate the people, that is a great idea. But the fat-bodies will NOT like it.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a fat-body stop stuffing his/her face and exercise. Let them do as they wish, but government has no place here.
Before you get your panties in a wad, I have a good friend that is eating himself to death. I tried to talk to him about it. I have pointed to my own exercises and eating habits. He only gets angry. I will go to his funeral in not too many years. He is younger than me. He likes to eat—large meals. The Feds would have to jail him to save him. I will miss him. But it will be his own damn fault.
2:16 am on January 10th, 2011 50
Hey Expat, you might want to see how the lack of guns in the public's hands is working out in Mexico. These pictures are from my local Texas paper as the violence has over run the border in Texas. So, I'm glad that my family has at least some weapons to protect themselves, especially as they live in a very rural area. It's just too bad that their guns (and those of the local police) are no match for those of the drug cartels.
Also, why isn't anyone bringing up this idiots liberal usage of pot as a contributing factor in his rampage?
3:12 am on January 10th, 2011 51
First things first-I am always amazed at how Tea Party patrons get upset at the "TB term. They created it. I'll go back to "Galtian overlords who look down their noses at the rest of us" then.
As John Cole points out, “Both sides do it” is more weak sauce, since even five-year-olds can’t get that one past their mothers. Even if both sides do it, and even if they do it to the same degree (which isn’t the case here), that doesn’t make it right. Furthermore-when Bush was being attacked it was by a lunatic fringe part of the left-not a movement that had mainstreamed itself into the Republican party and had a 24 hour noise machine named Fox News fronting for it.
Second-Its one thing to assert that a governmental policy is wrong, its quite another to assert that the government is fundamentally evil. The GOP and its embrace of the Tea Party have done the latter. Sarah Palin led the GOP down that path at the end of the 2008 campaign and John McCain did very little to put a stop to it. It escalated in 2009 with nonsense about health insurance reform and it hasn't stopped since then.
Republicans will yell about the evils of partisanship whenever anyone tries to make a connection between the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc. But violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate. And it’s long past time for the GOP’s leaders to take a stand against the stupidity in their own party.
The world has changed-its time for the spoiled to children to wake up and accept that.
3:32 am on January 10th, 2011 52
The police are now saying that the shooter targeted Rep. Giffords since meeting her in 2007. Sarah Palin didn't arrive on the national scene until mid 2008. The tea party was formed in late 2008.
3:33 am on January 10th, 2011 53
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/…
witches..Christine O'Donnell..Tea Party support…Mossad,,,NOW it all makes sense..
(Ok I just threw Mossad in for the heck of it, to appease the Arabs)
3:37 am on January 10th, 2011 54
Its still a germane discussion to have. Even without a direct connection-the Tea Party still needs to be called to account for the atmosphere they have created in American politics.
3:56 am on January 10th, 2011 55
I'm amazed at the ignorant and childish comments I have read from the leftists posting here. That's all.
5:46 am on January 10th, 2011 56
I to, am amazed by the Liberal Left attempting to create something Partisan out of these murders and attempted murders.
It speaks to the Mental Illness that the Left started with B. D. S. and why they lost so badly in the House. They will lose the Senate next.
6:57 am on January 10th, 2011 57
Retired GI, I did not call you a liar and if I felt that you were, I would have used that exact word. I just find it hard to believe that your rhetoric in your posts are original thought considering you repeat verbatim the same catch phrases and insinuations that the right wing talking heads spew out daily on their shows (As do the majority of the right leaning posters of these political strings that you run frequently). Sometimes, people hear something enough times, they make it their own. I think that is what happens to many of you right leaning people. Although it may not be Limbaugh directly, they all tend to beat the same drum over and over again. The one thing I listen for when in conversations with a "Righty" is their frequent use of these phrases. The same ones that are repeated incessantly on air to get it fully seated into the heads of followers.
If you are getting your "facts" from Fox news to form your "independent" opinion, let me suggest that you flip through the channels, read, and listen to other news sources as well. You will find that the likes of Beck are not truthful just because he writes on a chalkboard, connects lines to someone who read a book about communism, repeated it to his friend who once met Obama, which now makes him a communist as well.
I too was not a “lockstep” follower in the military. I was at least good enough to complete 22 years enlisted honorably. I too love America, as do my children who are in the military today, as do most of the members of my family that are in the military today; right, left, and some centrists (But, have been repeatedly reminded by the right-wingers that they are the only true patriots). I too have guns but, not here in Korea of course, and I know how to use them; expertly I might add. Although, I consider myself left of center, I do not agree with all that is left, but, I do consider myself as a liberal and I find myself in disagreement with much of the right.
Don’t feel sorry for me as to the company I keep. I have many right leaning friends, and the ones that are willing to entertain the thoughts of someone on the left as I often do to theirs, makes for a very good friendship. I have a right leaning brother (LtCol in the Army) in Iraq right now with whom I have some heated debates. But we shoot guns; hunt and fish together and often laugh about our disagreements or make fun of each others’ politics. I may never change the mind of the "righties" in my life completely, nor will they mine. But, we can each take a little bit of the others in tempering our beliefs that some valid points can be made. So, I can truly say that I march to my own drum and do not need to be led by anyone as well. However, I do find some talk personalities make more intelligent arguments than others. Yet, I don't hear the left talkers using the same language used to infer “violence for change” as the right does on a frequent basis.
I have been reading your blog for a few years now and you may not consider yourself an "extreme right-winger." But, your many neo-conservative posts say otherwise.
9:08 am on January 10th, 2011 58
WOW! I mean WOW!!!! You have no "code". You sound like someone that used to post here and hasn't been heard of, for a few days.
You are a Liar. (with due respect)
This is not my blog.
Sense I do watch "The guy that cries", I know you do not. Another lie.
"violence for change"? Maybe on the Daily Kos. Not from the crying man. Sounds like Van Jones really.
You on the left are expert in projecting onto others what you really feel.
My beliefs are on the money. No need to "temper" them. You, on the other hand, have no code. Billy G — INDEED!!
You remind me of an episode of the old Twilight zone (60s). They wouldn't let the old Coon Hunter into heaven with his dog. So he walked on down the road and came to another gate. It was the real gate to heaven and they didn't mind him having a dog along.
Yea, I watch the Twilight zone. Star Trek too. (but only TOS) The others suck. Too Liberal.
I also own a few guns, an old Pickumup and a 2006 Eclipse. I don't go to church. I don't care about Palin and don't listen to Limbaugh. I believe 53% of the voting public are fools. Obama is a Socialist. The VP is an idiot. You have no Code.
One more thing. I only care about what the majority are doing, so I know what not to do and where not to go. Basically, people are cows. Wherever the herd goes is not where I want to follow.
(Mad Max quote) "and we know who you are".
I gotta go and watch Cavuto on Fox Business. Have a happy Liberal day.
(did anyone else see what I saw here?)
9:11 am on January 10th, 2011 59
#56 KUSHIBO! Your back!
12:25 pm on January 10th, 2011 60
I think it…interesting to watch lefties like The Expat and Skippy-san try and weasel out of owning the venom their peeps spew out. Whether its Julienne Malveaux wishing Justice Thomas' death, Howard Dean expressing his hatred of Republicans or the examples already stated there is always an excuse. Its either:
1. They're not really us.
2. Nobody else endorsed the comments.
3. BUSH IS EVIL!!!!
4. Etc.
And of course when they're cornered, they always foist up that good old 1st Amendment (which they think only applies to them).
But you know what is really annoying? From what has come out so far about the shooter, blaming right wing sources for this makes about as much sense as trying to pin John Hinkley on the Democrats for having tried to kill President Reagan.
2:58 pm on January 10th, 2011 61
Something of interest that I saw.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011…
4:19 pm on January 10th, 2011 62
The murderer wrote that his favorite books were Hitler's "Mein Kampf", & Marx & Engle's "The Communist Manifesto". He was not allowed to enlist in the US Army because he failed a drug test. He was kicked out of school because of bizarre behavior. He worshiped a shrine that had a skull. He was obsessed with the 2012 Mayan end of times prophecy. He was obsessed with Representative Giffords since 2007 (BTW Sarah Palin did not enter national politics until 2008 when she was John McCain's running mate). Anyone who blames conservatives (or liberals) for the actions of a clearly deranged individual should hang their head in shame. The person to be blamed for these horrible crimes is JARED LOUGHNER, period. I hope that if he has a cellmate in prison that he gives him a gay ole time.
4:38 pm on January 10th, 2011 63
I detest any political group that tries to use this as some sort of ammunition to fire at the opposing party. This included both Dems and Reps.
The more I think about it the more I feel most "conservatives" and moderate "liberals" would actually be better served by a libertarianism approach (libertarian is not a liberal aside from the similar sounding names).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Its basically telling the right "no I won't listen to you, go away and get off my property", and telling the left "no you can't have my money or my property, go away and get off my property".
6:00 pm on January 10th, 2011 64
Someotherguy #63. I agree with you. Ron Paul in 2012! The latest thing they said on the news about the wacko was that he was a believer in a US government conspiracy in the 9/11 attacks. I just hope that the Federal government ask for the death penalty when this POS goes to trial.
6:04 pm on January 10th, 2011 65
TomL, I'm so fcking tired of the two political parties, and their membership fighting each other in some sort of zero sum death match that I just don't listen to political debates anymore. Both of them have the exact same agenda, they both want to limit citizens rights, increase taxation, and redistribute wealth from one group to another. Really its been nothing but a circus of who can blame the other one the most.
6:33 pm on January 10th, 2011 66
Oops, I confused retired GI with GI in Korea as far as who is the blogger – my bad. However, Retired GI due to your last reply being a rambling mess with low coherent quality, I'll assume that I've upset you and I'm absolutely positive that you believe all you say as being "on the money." I on the other hand, will listen to counter arguments. Not necessarily agree, but listen. Code? Give me a break "movie quoter." As far as who I am…I've always posted here under this name and have no need to change it. I just don't post frequently. See ya on future posts and no…you have a nice liberal day.
9:49 pm on January 10th, 2011 67
What have Limbaugh, Beck, et al said which is incorrect? It's OK to dismiss them as "right wing whackos" but that's pretty shallow.
Any quotes? Any "doctrine"?
The 2nd Amendment is there to protect the rights of hunters. It is the only amendment which discusses a sport.
Only the highly trained professionals of the military and police should have guns. We've all seen their level of expertise, and it should inspire us.
10:11 pm on January 10th, 2011 68
Vince may have become confused.
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
No, the only people who bring up sports are those who want to deny Americans their Constitutional Rights.
12:02 am on January 11th, 2011 69
#66 Kushibo, "code" is short for "Code of Conduct". If your first thought was a movie, that shows that you lied about any military service. Which means you have no code of conduct, which means you have no code. Civilian
12:15 am on January 11th, 2011 70
#68 Setnaffa, Yea I agree. Vince might be abit confused.
The Intent of the 2nd amendment was to ensure (the People) remained armed and be able to defend the (FREE) STATE.
1:26 am on January 11th, 2011 71
This is a discussion that the US needs to have but it is not going to happen. As Chris in Dallas put very well, the left for lack of a better term keeps a second set of standards for its own conduct.
I'm conservative and have never made a secret about it. I also do not condone overly aggressive behavior and speech I have seen coming from the right hand of the spectrum. I have admitted this on many occassions and not just recently.
However there are very very few on the left that won't poo poo away their own extremists who have very violent conduct and speech. That is why a true conversation on civility will not occur.
1:36 am on January 11th, 2011 72
#69, I do know what code to which you refer. Just shows you didn't understand my response to you. I'll spell it out for you. It was intended to show that yet again, you quote phrases that you've heard (In this case – a movie) and have no original thought. Next time I'll try and use one syllable words so I won't lose you.
As far as my Service is concerned, I had to go check my DD214 to make sure you weren't correct in your assumption. Damn was I relieved that it backed up my service dates. I guess there is no way for me to prove it to you on a blog thread. But then, you're just not that important to me to worry about it. You are correct in that I'm a civilian now. See when I retired, I was able to let the past go and move on with my life in the civilian world. Something you obviously cannot do "Retired GI".
Liar? I have no need to lie to add validity to my stance; especially, when you’re so easy to rebut. Also, I can stand on my own and don't require a "shout-out" to try and get other posters to chime in to back my posts as you did in #58 "(did anyone else see what I saw here?)." Pathetic!
4:52 am on January 11th, 2011 73
For those who blame only conservatives for violent rhetoric I BEG YOU if you have the courage to read Michelle Malkins column for 1/10/11. PLEASE read this. Sorry, I don't have the computer skills to link it. Somebody else please link this column, thanks.
5:50 am on January 11th, 2011 74
72, I see Kushibo. I'm not important enough to you. Very well. I will ignore your alter ego of Billy G in the future.
5:57 am on January 11th, 2011 75
Lets see if this works Tom Langley
http://michellmalkin.com/
5:59 am on January 11th, 2011 76
Guess I don't have the skill either
6:13 am on January 11th, 2011 77
Retired GI #75,76 If you click your link then go to the top of the page & click Michelle Malkin you will get to the column. Or you can go to the Drudge report where he has a link to her column. Anyway thanks, I'll have to ask one of my kids how to do that.
6:26 am on January 11th, 2011 78
Thanks Tom, I used to read her all the time but stopped. Usually would check her after the headlines in Drudge. Which might as well be my homepage.
One more try. If this doesn't work, let me know what your kids say Tom.
http://michellmalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressi…
crossing my fingers
6:30 am on January 11th, 2011 79
NOT, what I was hopeing for
7:35 am on January 11th, 2011 80
Misspelled Michelle…
Ed Driscoll: "http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2011/01/10/acid-rhetoric-flashbacks/"
Michelle Malkin: "http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/"
But I'd still rather talk about shopping for leather jackets in Songtan than argue with numbnuts about who inspired the pot-smoking psycho stalker…
8:01 am on January 11th, 2011 81
Here you go. Michelle Malkin's blog.
8:32 am on January 11th, 2011 82
No far left or far right commentator is going to influence anyone to go out and do what that paranoid whacko schizo idiot did. He's nuts. In one of Chris Rock's concerts he talks about kids who go in and shoot up schools. The first thing people want to know is, what kind of movies were they watching or what kind music were they listening to. He asks, "What about crazy?"
People who do things like that aren't right in the head, no matter what their beliefs are. I've seen a lot of rabid comments on this blog since I've been here, but as passionate as people are about their beliefs, it's a whole different ballgame when it comes to gunning down innocent people. Jeezus, a nine year old kid?!? I would venture to say there are those of us on this site that wouldn't have hesitated to shoot down that psycho freak if we'd been in the crowd, no matter how you felt about the speaker (maybe not The Expat, although I do agree with you on many of the things you said about commentators who preach hate, intolerance, etc. You're waaaay off base on the gun issue, though) One of the problems with this country right now is that there is no middle ground. The feeling is if you're not in agreement with us, then you are either the Devil, or one of his minions. Some of these commentators can't even tolerate moderates of their own partys. The middle is where things get done. If there is no middle ground, then it's just two opposing sides calling each other names and nothing is accomplished. Then who wins? I'll tell you who. Tom.
9:09 am on January 11th, 2011 83
#82
This guy may have been crazy, but I noticed that the lawyer who represented him in his first court appearance was the same lawyer who represented Tim Veigh and Ted Kaczynski, "The Unibomber" People do try to attribute reasons or rationalize what those two guys did.
It will be interesting to see how the media and this lawyer presents and packages his new client. I'm sure they will be looking for some "motive" for his action.
9:19 am on January 11th, 2011 84
BTW, the lawyer, Judy Clarke, was court appointed to this defendant so she shouldn't be accused of rushing to grab this case. But she also defended Eric Rudolph, "Olympic Park Bomber" and Zacarias Moussaoui, the 9/11 co-conspirator.
10:16 am on January 11th, 2011 85
Retired GI & everybody else, John from Daejeon #81 got the direct link to Michelle Malkins column. Setnaffa #80 has a link also, it showed up on my e-mail but did not show up blue here on ROK Drop (I think I have showed my lack of computer knowledge quite well, thank you). JoeC #83, 84, The US Constitution guarantees every person the right to a defense which is a good thing but for the life of me how some of these lawyers can sleep at night is beyond my comprehension. Hell must be a really big place to fit all these despicable lawyers in it.
10:56 am on January 11th, 2011 86
Michelle Malkin is a conservative so she is bad. Only liberals are good because they are compassionate and caring. Plus they use other peoples' money.
12:12 pm on January 11th, 2011 87
Vince #86
Too funny 
12:14 pm on January 11th, 2011 88
#85 Thanks Tom. Don't feel bad. We are in the same boat.
12:29 pm on January 11th, 2011 89
#82 Not defending, but McVeigh murdered innocents out of revenge for the Murders of innocents at Waco & Ruby Ridge by an overeaching Federal Government.
I hate lies, no matter where they come from.
Kaczynjki. Graduated from Harvard in 1962. Wanted his 35,000 word essay published.
It sounds like an intriguing read. Maybe one day.
Check him out: htt:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ted_kaczynski
12:32 pm on January 11th, 2011 90
Sorry htt://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ted_kaczynaki
12:35 pm on January 11th, 2011 91
I'm struggling here so I will bow out for now.
12:38 pm on January 11th, 2011 92
BOOM! Headshot.
BOOM! Headshot.
12:43 pm on January 11th, 2011 93
By the way. I still think it's quaint that some of you think there's any difference between the Demicans and Republocrats. Does it really make a difference what the label is on a bastard bending you over and raping you? While we bicker and wallow in our own bullshit, they are living high on the hog and collectively laughing at us (all the way to the bank).
/Lets see them write a tax code that someone other than a Byzantine Vatican scribe (with a Phd in astrophysics) can understand.
1:03 pm on January 11th, 2011 94
Leon, think back to Mike Castle of Delaware, Mike Bennett of Colorado, and Charlie Crist of Florida. RINOs are an endangered species.
It won't happen overnight; but we're going to see a bigger difference in 2012 and 2014…
2:22 am on January 12th, 2011 95
Here's how to set up a link in a comment, use this format:
My Title
Just plug in the desired web address in place of "http://mywebsite.com" and the desired title in place of "My Title" to set up the link.
2:24 am on January 12th, 2011 96
I'll try one more time with 1's on each end that will need to be removed when you are inserting your link in a comment. Let's see if it works this time.
To add a link in a comment, use this format:
1My Title1
Just plug in the desired web address in place of "http://mywebsite.com" and the desired title in place of "My Title" to set up the link.
2:27 am on January 12th, 2011 97
Here we go. The scholarly Gypsy Scholar explains it on his how to leave a comment when leaving a comment on his interesting website.
How to leave a comment.
4:34 am on January 12th, 2011 98
Thanks John from Daejeon, I'll try doing that sometime but knowing my luck I'll either end up firing the minuteman nuclear missiles from their silos or leaving some link to a porn site, lol.
7:55 am on January 12th, 2011 99
I've seen a lot of comments about the leftists making this shooting a political issue and doing the finger pointing. Here's what Limbaugh said:
"What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He's sitting there in jail. He knows what's going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he's just a victim. He's the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he's getting all the attention and he understands he's got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he's not convicted of murder – but something lesser."
Who in the Democratic party is trying to get that guy off? Seriously, in all his infinite wisdom, how does he know what that guy sitting in that cell is really thinking? Plus, he's convinced the sheriff is trying to get a plea deal for him? Then, how many people truly BELIEVE that Rush knows all that? Probably way too many. As far as I know not even Larry King has interviewed him yet, let alone Limbaugh. 14 wounded, 6 DEAD. And he's trying to turn it into a Democratic/liberal conspiracy? How can anyone take a situation like this and use it to slam the opposition? So sad. Sad that he says it, sadder yet that people believe it. Somebody else can post a quote from some liberal commentator saying it's a conservative conspiracy, I don't have time to look for one.
I've seen a lot of posts on this thread pointing fingers at liberals or conservatives, and trying to pin the tail on the donkey (or the elephant). It's got NOTHING to do with politics. It's got to do with a F'ing murderer who shot down good and innocent people without cause. And now everyone here wants to make it a liberal/conservative issue, or a gun issue? If that 9 year old was your daughter or grandaughter, would you want to hear all this bullshite when you turn on the TV or radio? Those were innocent people shot down by a freak who should have been forced into treatment and given heavy doses of psychotropic medications, period.
10:52 am on January 12th, 2011 100
To simplify adding a link:
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10:55 am on January 12th, 2011 101
Well, that didn't work. Looks like wordpress does not like the "code" tag.
Ok one more time:
To simplify adding a link:
[A HREF="http://www.pageresource.com/html/index2.htm"BASIC HTML[/A]
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12:25 pm on January 12th, 2011 102
Life is cheap in the US.
When you can walk across the corner store and buy a gun and then start shooting, American whites think they're back in the era of Cowboys and Indians days.
Killing in American culture is ingrained. It's America's culture, a savage barbaric culture.
Thank god it's bankrupt, financially and morally.
6:10 am on January 13th, 2011 103
Tom: Killing is not ingrained in American culture, but defending yourself is.
7:23 am on January 13th, 2011 104
Tom Langley 98, I'm trying it for the first time. Wish me luck!
Launch a Minuteman
9:05 am on January 13th, 2011 105
Dragonfly, Rush is all about hyperbole and catharsis.
And the Sheriff, the NY Times, and dozens of lefty blogs started blaming the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, and Rush — even before the first responders were finished with triage and first aid…
Rush's comments were pointing out that the lefties want to make the shooter a victim of "violent rhetoric"…
Fair and Balanced would have required all of the talking heads including the sheriff to just talk about facts. Which they did not do.
9:07 am on January 13th, 2011 106
Tom has got to be a really unhappy person. That hatred of the USA must be eating him up…
Can someone who who knows him check in on him and make sure he's not planning a visit to Safeway?
10:26 am on January 13th, 2011 107
Straight Shooter
11:41 am on January 13th, 2011 108
Glans #104, I was reading your link to the minuteman missiles & my wife looked over my shoulder & asked me "What are you reading about?" I replied "I'm trying to learn how to make an atomic bomb." She looked at me, shook her head, & then walked away.
12:12 pm on January 13th, 2011 109
@108
ROF 