By There has been some pretty horrible sex crimes going on in Korea in recent weeks and here is another one:
The Busan Nambu Police Station arrested Friday two teenagers on charges of raping a female middle school student and booked two others without physical detention, after the girl was allegedly forced to drink alcohol.
A 15-year-old boy, only identified by his family name Shin, and three other teenagers sexually molested the girl after they called her to come to an elementary school playground around 3:30 p.m. on Feb. 14, police said.
They forced her to drink alcohol and dragged her to the back of the playground in Suyeong-gu, a police officer said.
After molesting the girl, they abandoned her in the 6.8 centimeter deep snow that had fallen in Busan that day, and fled, the officer said.
Following a school official’s report, police rushed to the scene and picked up a condom and underclothes there. [The Korea Times]
What gets me about some of these recent sex crimes is how young some of the perpetrators and victims are.
11:16 pm on February 27th, 2011 1
This is really getting weird… Why are these kids doing this? Video games? Movies? TV? Stuff they learn in school? Or just really bad parenting?
4:37 am on February 28th, 2011 2
Humm. Everyone just excepts the "story". Maybe it is true. But I wonder. I've seen female soldiers clam rape, when there wasn't. I've see "young" girls that were eager to "give it up". Then later change their stories.
But it IS in the paper. Must be true! Right?
8:31 am on February 28th, 2011 3
Girls that young cannot legally give consent. And I trust that the Korean Police wouldn't arrest Korean boys unless there was actual evidence. Whether they got the right ones is a different story…
10:43 am on February 28th, 2011 4
"Forced" her to drink alcohol? How does that happen? Did they hold her at knife point? Sounds like an underage party—with regret on her part.
2:07 pm on February 28th, 2011 5
#4,
Dude, she's too young to give consent. At the very least, it's statutory rape.
4:14 pm on February 28th, 2011 6
#5 agreed, she is too young, but that doesn't mean she doesn't anyway.
I'm just saying these young little snowflakes know what they are doing. Much more so than I did as a teen.
Then after the deed, for whatever reason that pops into their little heads, they decided they are not responsible for their actions.
I've had adult Korean women pull this chit: "I'm drunk, take me." Turned down more pogi than I care to admit because it was "presented" to me in that manner.
I figure they learn young. Just like Americans do.
They may be young but I don't confuse that with stupid. They understand.
6:34 pm on February 28th, 2011 7
"They may be young but I don’t confuse that with stupid. They understand."
Agreed, and this a major problem. U.S. and other nations laws have not caught up with the times. I've heard many a story about adults having their lives ruined by adolescent females who play the system and know their way around just fine.
I'm not refering to this particular case and would not lump the savvy of Korean kids with that of American kids, but Retired GI has a valid point.
10:48 pm on February 28th, 2011 8
Just because American kids are sluts, it doesn't mean Korean kids are too.
12:46 am on March 1st, 2011 9
#8 Tom your correct. There is no reason to think that Korean kids are as aware or as intelligent as American kids.
Absolutely no reason to believe that sweet little Korean Snowflakes are as aware of their sexuality as the American sweet little Snowflakes.
Unless you know about riding the bus in Seoul when they are getting out of school. No matter what I did to avoid it, there was a young little Korean tit pressed against me. Or the one that wanted to practice her english by telling me "I love you" after a 5 min bus ride.
My best guess is that by age 13, they have the idea and by 14 they are looking for practice. Granted my experience is "dated" to about 20 years ago.
It is DANGEROUS out there guys. You have to do a "package check" to make sure she is a she, and an ID check to make sure she is old enough for the powers that be to agree with you that she is old enough to understand how to play with your toy in a responsible manner.
Then there was my Contractor friend that invited me over so he could show me the high school girl that would (on the way home) lift her shirt and flash him.
Na, they are all sweet, innocent little snowflakes until they reach that MAGICAL age, known as "being legal". Then seemingly during that night, They become aware.
Yep, that makes sense.
Fathers, watch your "little girls". They AIN'T what you think they are. They are already playing you. Just like their mother taught them to do.
12:56 am on March 1st, 2011 10
I'm sorry that some of y'all had such bad experiences with the wimmin-folk in yer life…
Fact is, if you haven't had your heart broken at least four times before you're forty, you have not learned how to love "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health"…
But that's no excuse for slander or rape…
And it just reflects poorly on your character and that of your parents to issue a blanket condemnation of all women. That's frankly un-manly, regardless of your ability to fling your pooh farther than the bars in the mental prison you've built for yourself.
1:59 am on March 1st, 2011 11
They are called WOMEN. Female works as well. I respect them for their ability to reason. I guard myself for the same reason. Slander is to state a lie. What I state is fact. If it makes you uncomfortable to believe women are intelligent and know what they are doing, I can understand why your heart has been broken.
A manly man does not believe women are ignorant or unable to make dicisions, no matter their age. (New info for you it seems)
But nice try #10
I don't "condemn" anyone. I explan. Seems you know not the difference.
Much like the Husbands of these women. Both american and korean women, that have enjoyed my company and I theirs.
Where do you think I learned this? Listening to your wives over a drink or three.
The "trick" is to shut up and listen. Wives and soon to be ex-wives will love you for it.
No No. No need to thank me #10. Glad to be of help.
8:34 am on March 1st, 2011 12
Yeah, RetiredGI, you certainly show your abilities here. And now you brag about adultery. Good one that. Helps build up that image of have of women as pigs. After all, they're just there to use you and be used.
Neither of us has apparently been doing a good job in all areas of life. But while there's life there's hope, right? So pick yourself up out of the pigsty and brush off the swill.
You really ought to remind yourself that your mother was a woman. Would she proud of you?
You can go back to your grunting and pooh-flinging now.
Or you can start being a man who doesn't need to push folks down to stand up. It isn't easy–you can't lie to yourself any more–but it is a lot healthier.
9:22 am on March 1st, 2011 13
It take both sides working together to make a successful marriage. Good set of "Marriage Apps" sermons available at http://www.huntersglen.org/media.php?pageID=5
Ephesians 5:21-33 (New Living Translation)
9:26 am on March 1st, 2011 14
I'm not trying to say I'm able to do any of this on my own… But there is a standard that we should strive to attain.
12:10 pm on March 1st, 2011 15
Setanta — I'm not married. Never have been married. Didn't stop me from learning about a woman's mind. Plenty of divorced women out there to learn from. After a while, they are not nearly as interesting as they once were. But then again, like men, they are very much all alike. Only the situations change.
I believe no man should marry before his 30th year. Women — not sure. Ask them.
But women are a great distraction before the 30th year for men. Women know it too. They use it, much as I would, I'm sure.
So quote your verses. You seem to need them.
I find it interesting that a person that talks about flinging pooh is also the same person that quotes verses. Now you know why I haven't been to a church in 30 odd years. All you good religious people.
I'll take the drunks at the bar instead, and the women that don't get drunk before they decide they "want some".
"I was drunk" the catch all for not taking responsibility for your action, at least for women. Men usually just admit they were stupid.
12:46 pm on March 1st, 2011 16
Retired GI, you might like the Bible if you read it. You'd find that the seeds you plant determine the crops you grow.
You might like being married, if instead of looking for the right one you became the right one. That is a lot harder and riskier (to the psyche, not the body); but we each have different ideas of fun.
Religion won't get anyone a ticket to Heaven but it's sure bought a lot of tickets on the other train. And yes, I do need the Bible. To help me avoid doing more than pointing out to people that if you step in the stuff I've stepped in you won't like it. And then get out of their way…
You don't see the resemblance between your remarks about others and a chimpanzee at the zoo? Well, c'est la vie. Hope the rest of your life gets better than the table scraps you've been describing…
1:48 pm on March 1st, 2011 17
Read it. (guess you missed the inference)
I am the right one. Not looking for one.
The bible should be in you. Not a book.
Those "table Scraps" that you refer to, are human beings. Not left overs. Women that made mistakes. Like most of us.
I give and take with them. ( Never offer a woman advice. Just listen.) It is all they want.
A Korean woman in her 50's taught me that. She was still married and talked about her American husband in most severe terms. Then she would calm herself and name his good qualities. I felt pity for her husband.
Preach some more. I'll tell you how many years ago I heard it. Been there, done that. Grew up a BAPTIST.
9:47 pm on March 1st, 2011 18
I think Mark Twain sums up my thoughts on the subject of the bible, and much more eloquently than I.
11:01 pm on March 1st, 2011 19
I'm with Retired GI on the issue of women folk. A man's biggest mistake is to think for a minute he's "figured them out". People are people, humans and humans, each with their own motivations and selfish desires. There is NO such thing as "the right one", its complete horse sh!t that has been fed to people so they would accept whatever partner their parents chose. Its a pure numbers game with everyone looking for someone who they are compatible with.
11:24 pm on March 1st, 2011 20
Seems to me y'all are still trying to justify the rape of a little girl because you don't like the women you've met…
And if you don't have the same view of the Bible as me, that's okay. We still have the freedom to believe or not. For now.
Just knock off the attacks on the character of rape victims. One would think you were expressing strong religious convictions of another sort…
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/honor_killings… http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html http://www.stophonourkillings.com/
Just be clear about where you stand.
http://www.hark.com/clips/hvjwjvmvdf-any-man-who-…
12:22 am on March 2nd, 2011 21
#19 Thanks for the back-up.
I am compatible with many individuals — untill they forget that I can walk, and they turn into their worst selves.
I've had at least three women decide they could do better than me, only to learn (to late) that they were wrong. One took 20 years to show up again. Wanted me to save her from her (now) worthless life. Nope. She had her chance. All were "american" of course. American women haven't known what they wanted since someone told them they "could have it all". You can't. No one can.
The "right one" is the one willing to work at it. There should be many "right one's", but the divorce rate proves me wrong.
Best way to attempt to understand women is to understand that they like drama, are not logical at all, will not take responsibility AND the big one, will blame you and take your stuff before moving on to the next fool. Seen it happen WAY too many times. Heard them bitch about their men WAY too many times. Heard them bragg about what they put their men thru WAY too many times. Have known those broken men. Too many.
1:20 am on March 4th, 2011 22
@20 I'll be clear then: Women often Lie about being raped. Clear enough?
They don't care who the lie hurts. I have seen it happen. Watched it unfold.
Watched it destroy a career.
I have had the opportunity to listen to a women tell me that she "thought" she had been raped. I asked her to break it down for me. After she had done this, it turned out that the guy in question was not overly concerned about her "being ready?". I guess he didn't spend enough time working her up.
Was he uncaring? Yes. Did he rape her? No. But she WASN'T SURE.
Let me speak clear enough for YOU to understand: Nothing justifies rape. Got it? Was that clear enough for YOU?
I AM expressing STRONG feeling. Strong feeling that just because a woman states a rape occurs, does NOT mean that it did.
Unlike you it would seem, I actually KNOW a few women.
Suger and spice and everything nice? PLEASE!
Just like any group that is SEEN as a victim group, They know how to play the part. They learn early. There are always plenty of fools that fall for it too.
6:34 am on March 4th, 2011 23
"Let me speak clear enough for YOU to understand: Nothing justifies rape."
Okay, we're good. I just wanted to hear which side you were on. Early on it sounded like you were saying the young girl deserved it. (Mind you there were girls I thought were the spawn of Satan's dung beetles when I was in Elementary School and Junior High; but that's not an excuse to rape any of them.)
"Unlike you it would seem, I actually KNOW a few women."
Well, we're not going to be playing ShowMeYoursAndI'llShowYouMine today. But thank you for the kind thoughts. We all make mistakes and the only answer is to walk around with our eyes open, not closed and/or concentrating on our dreams/nightmares. And hope we make better mistakes this time than we made last time.
"Sugar and spice and everything nice? PLEASE!"
Well we do wish for that but we're stuck with people from this planet that do have the same flaws we have. So we either make adjustments or bump our heads, bark our shins, and step on a lot of toes…
10:46 am on March 4th, 2011 24
"early on it sounded–" No. It sounded like I said that females (like males) LIE.
If you read what I write, rather than attempting to add something else, you will easily understand me.
"showmeyoursandi'llshowyoumine" This has no meaning.
"we do wish for that" Maybe you do. I'm happy when I find a good friend. Some of mine have even been female. As long as you keep the physical out of it, the friendship is good. But if the physical is introduced, they start acting like they own you. (at least for me it works that way)
Professional Hookers (not the trash normally found) are a great stress reliever and fun to talk with as well. (they don't want to own you, just be payed) Much cheaper and enjoyable than marriage. (from what I saw of most GI wives anyway)
10:52 pm on March 5th, 2011 25
@22,
Their using the standard defense against logic and that is attack by emotion. You present a valid and reasonable statement, something that is difficult to argue against, the response is then to attack your rationale with pleas to emotion and accusations. When someone resorts to this tactic you can summarily dismiss their argument and any further arguments they produce, they no longer have ground to stand on. You'd have more chance debating with a brick wall then someone who resorts to emotional pleas.
And to all, in today's world women often resort to after the face revocation of consent. They gave consent for intercourse, most likely during a moment of poor judgment. Later upon looking back with regret they find the decision was a poor one, these days they are encouraged to revoke their consent. Its to the point that the women can be audibly having a good time and saying encouraging words to the male and later say she was being raped and it was all an act. I have seen first hand a friend of mine "hook up" with a female soldier and have regular sex for over three months, then someone tipped her stateside husband off that she was having an affair. The very first thing she did was say she was being raped, ~everyone~ knew she was full of sh!t but the male got convicted and busted from SPC to PVT and put inside Humphrey's for four months. This is with several testimonies from multiple soldiers to the fact that she was voluntarily engaging in intercourse with the male soldier. I've also seen several friends of mine burned or been threatened to be burned by female soldiers for after-the-fact consent revocation. Its enough that I always told my male soldiers do ~never~ have relations with another soldier no matter how attractive she was. If they wanted a GF they should go out and date a local national, at least they won't cry rape after-the-fact.
11:33 pm on March 5th, 2011 26
#25 Your statement to all is true. I have also seen women who gave consent, later claim they were raped. I have given the same advice about female soldiers. Even so far as to tell the males to never allow themselves to be alone in a room with one, as they would have no Witness. I seldom would give counseling to one alone and never if it was Negative Counseling.
7:18 am on March 6th, 2011 27
@25 – "Its enough that I always told my male soldiers do ~never~ have relations with another soldier no matter how attractive she was. If they wanted a GF they should go out and date a local national, at least they won’t cry rape after-the-fact."
In your particular position, great advice with respect to relations with female soldiers, but you might want to also convey the idea of non-enlisted females from most first world countries. This isn't just an enlisted female retribution by false anger phenomena, but an almost universal one, as long as the laws in her country provide the means to some sort of self-gratification (legitimate or illeg.) or financial gain.
2:33 pm on March 13th, 2011 28
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