By I think President Obama is correct that anyone that runs on being a birther is going to have a hard time winning any general election:
President Obama publicly addressed the birther issue for the first time on Thursday, saying it is not a good strategy for Republicans because it will backfire in the general election. Obama’s comments came during an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, when he was asked about potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump’s birther-fueled rise in the polls. “I think that over the last two and a half years, there’s been an effort to go at me in a way that is politically expedient in the short term for Republicans but creates I think a problem for them when they want to actually run in the general election, where most people feel pretty confident the president was born where he says he was, in Hawaii,” Obama answered. “He doesn’t have horns.” Obama said the American people are thinking: “We want to know his plan on gas prices but we’re not really worrying about conspiracy theories or birth certificates and so I think it presents a problem for them.” [Slate]
3:24 am on April 15th, 2011 1
Trump loves “rattling the Birthers cages”, too funny.
The GOP is like the "Chicken Littles” always saying that the “Sky is Falling”, like the same ones that were the “Chicken Hawks” ("W" Wars), big talk no courage. The United States, favors creativity wherever it can be found. We're apostles of prosperity and defenders of the free exchange of ideas and when more people in more countries are free to rise, to invent, to communicate, to dissent, it's not the doom of United States leadership, its the triumph of the American way.
Generations have worked hard and sacrificed much for the country to reach this point (individuals and our unions!), and with further hard work and sacrifice (along with our relentless self-doubt) the United States will rise again, we do not tire and we are coming back, no matter what the “Chicken Littles” keep saying about our nation. Never Bet Against the United States!
Our current President travelled under a USA passport long before he was elected President, but I guess the quacky BIRTHERS, must believe that the USCIS – United States Passport was in on the lie, please, grow up, you are wrong! Remember when some contractors were busted during the “George W. Bush” administration for looking at our current President passport file (how quick you forget).
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/03/20/obamas…
The Birthers just HATE and can’t debate!
Have any of the quacky BIRTHERS presented any credible proof that will standup in court? Answer: No
Have any of the quacky BIRTHERS won any Court Cases? Answer: No
They are just mainly backward, uneducated, white people who HATE our half black President.
The majority of the voting public ask “where the proof”, show some proof BIRTHERS or the voting majority will continue to see you as dumb, stupid or racist, maybe all three. Can you blame them?
Still, I really hope one of these retreads and blowhards runs for president, not because they have a chance of winning but because I like to see the train wreck that they will cause.
Faux News Candidates:
former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin ”The I graduated Early”,
former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga. “The I Love The Interns”,
former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee “The Huckster Reverend”,
former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa. “The I Love the Gays”,
former UN Ambassador John Bolton “The I Love The War ”
I Finance Myself:
real estate celebrity developer, Donald Trump, “I took my Casino into Bankruptcy, just imagine where I can Take the US”
former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney “The Flip-Flopping Fudger”,
former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush “The I Am Not My “Dumb Ass” Brother”,
Employed Long Shots:
Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn. “The History, I Don’t Need No Stink’n History”,
Mississippi Gov./ former tobacco lobbyist, Haley Barbour “The last White Hope”
3:46 am on April 15th, 2011 2
smells like teen spirit in here…
5:56 am on April 15th, 2011 3
"it is not a good strategy for Republicans because it will backfire in the general election."
Pretty much what I said before, but will they really have the freedom to do otherwise?
John McCain was forced to say and do many uncharacteristic things in his 2008 campaign by the Rush Limbaughs and other ranting heads from the talk radio and cable news set. The pressure was ratcheted up on GOP candidates in 2010 by the Tea Party where we saw several other "unusual" candidates come out on top on GOP tickets.
Can GOP candidates break this trend and free themselves of their extreme puppet masters, or will it become standard fair for candidates to campaign by saying the most outlandish things in their primaries and then trying to walk them back by claiming what they said before "was not intended to be a factual statement" in the general election?
6:02 am on April 15th, 2011 4
So BO again fails to set the record straight. Why won't the lying SOS ever give a straight answer to the question?
I'm Lemmy and I am a BIRTHER. BO was not born in the USA-Oh wait, here is a piece of used toilet paper with BO's face on it and in brown writing it says……
6:08 am on April 15th, 2011 5
Montana – are you white?
6:14 am on April 15th, 2011 6
#4
Have you been playing with your poo?
6:53 am on April 15th, 2011 7
Montana,
The birther point is, If people like me had to show my birth certificate, proof of US citizenship documentation, passport,SSN card,DD-214, fill out countless forms and have to sweat out a background security related Spanish inquisition every 5 years to obtain and maintain federal employment at the GS-13 level. Why the hell can't that Douche Bag in the White House do the same for the highest federal position in the country!!!!!!
My Birth Certificate is from a British Commonwealth country dated 1961,I wonder if his looks the same? More likely it is a US Birth Certificate that lists "MUSLIM" as his religion.
7:04 am on April 15th, 2011 8
Rich V,
Babies don't have religions…
…but there might be something else interesting on it.
Here is the long-form you are looking for.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Does anyone have an opinion on Obama's Social Security Number?
I didn't really look into it… but a cursory glance makes a good case that there is something fishy about it.
7:33 am on April 15th, 2011 9
Chickenhead,
My religion on the birth certificate comment was based on my birth certificate which lists religion of both parents. The religion of an infant shouldn't matter any way, there has to be something else wrong with it or why would they keep it hidden, other than as some kind of political tactic/trap. Any way the first part of my comment still stands, if an E-1, O-1, GS-13, etc. has to document eligibility for a Federal position, the Commander in Chief does too!
7:53 am on April 15th, 2011 10
The U.S. Constitution. Article II. Section 1. Paragraph 5.
Believing Obama is an American is the Newest Religion. Religion being the taking of something as truth without evidence. Pure Faith.
9:13 am on April 15th, 2011 11
Barack Obama is as American as Senator John Mccain.
10:23 am on April 15th, 2011 12
11 Not true. Do your research. This has already been proven incorrect.
10:29 am on April 15th, 2011 13
@#12 – Can you please explain how the whole conspiracy works? How does the time line of events work to where he is born in Kenya comes into Hawaii gets his birth announced in the paper, gets a Republican governor and state officials to cover for him, etc.? I just don't see how this could have all been orchestrated an covered up for all these years.
That is why I have been saying that there is only two reasons why the President doesn't show his long form birth certificate:
1. There is something inconsistent or embarrassing on it.
2. Is using it as a political weapon to make political opponents look unhinged by bringing it up.
10:49 am on April 15th, 2011 14
"it will backfire in the general election. "
I can already see the scene from the biopic.
Scene: the debate for the presidential candidates.
President Obama (played by Will Smith),
"Oh, yeah! The only thing African about me is that I'm black, and you can't hold a black man down. Check this out. Booyah! My long form birth certificate. See here. Hawaii. Did I tell you it was going to backfire or what?"
Scene cuts to white folk watching the debate in bar, then to a barber shop in a black neighborhood, and finally a family of Asian Americans watching the debate in their living room (all of which are cheering at the comment). Camera returns to Obama (Will Smith), a tear rolling down his cheek as he says, "I am American" before walking off the stage.
11:45 am on April 15th, 2011 15
@13, I don't know about the "conspiracy theory". See my #10.
I don't know that he ISN'T an American.
I don't know that he IS an American.
I don't know. I should, as per the Constitution.
My #12 comment is directed at the McCain comparison. I believe YOU did a good piece on that one yourself.
If your thinking were a bit more to the "center", as you have stated that you are, rather than to the left, as you really are, you would not have asked that question.
(See, I helped you with those on the left that think you are a Conservative—incorrectly)
Regardless of whether he is an American or an illegal alien, he is a Socialist in his actions. A divider. An apologist of America. Raised as a Muslim. Sat for twenty years in a so called "christian church" listening to hate speech from the pulpit.
I look forward to the day when Allen West runs for President. While I am waiting for Allen West, I will happily vote for Herman Cain in 2012. As Mr. Cain has said, "a REAL black man". Anyone would be better. Well, except Hillary Clinton. I'll stick with the Socialist I know.
Next question GI Liberal uh uh Korea. (see, I helped you again)
Hat tip for a good baiting. Just like a good Liberal would do!
11:51 am on April 15th, 2011 16
GI Korea, I answered you. The post did not show. I forgot what ChickenHead said about the word "socilist".
Damn spellchecker.
12:04 pm on April 15th, 2011 17
I think if he pulls his Birth Certificate out, it looks like my Birth Certificate, an English crown with a big ER (Elizabeth Reigns) at the top followed by British Commonwealth State of Kenya, mine says Canada, with his fathers religion listed as Islam and his mothers religion listed as Athiest/Marxist towards the bottom.
12:50 pm on April 15th, 2011 18
Obama may be a citizen or not; but the whole birther thing takes away from the damage being done to the world economy because of the irresponsible overspending…
If we don't cut the spending by at least 50% and soon, the government will collapse and there will be blood…
1:52 pm on April 15th, 2011 19
"ER (Elizabeth Reigns)"
Dude, ER stands for "Elizabeth Regina".
1:56 pm on April 15th, 2011 20
"If we don’t cut the spending by at least 50% and soon, the government will collapse and there will be blood…"
Disingenuous tea bagger you. How about cutting defense spending? Oh, but that's not the same…
2:08 pm on April 15th, 2011 21
Please understand, I am happy to watch the liberals as they become more uncomfortable over their selection of Obama as their Leader.
Says much about the Religion of Liberalism. All that blind faith.
If and I do mean IF, it comes out that "The Chosen One" was an illegal alien all along, No one will laugh as hard or as long (YEARS) as I will.
As it stands at this moment, he has not shown that he is qualified to be President. Whatever the reason.
For the next 1.5 years I will enjoy watching whatever it is that Trump is doing. I do not think he will run. If he tries as an independent, I will not vote for him.
2:18 pm on April 15th, 2011 22
20 Teadrinker, I'm all for cutting the Defense Spending. Let it be recorded!
It is the liberal teadrinker from Canada's #1 talking point. That and his desire to be teabagged.
Now, Teabagger uh, I mean "drinker", care to make a suggestion on what the Liberal Americans should cut? You have thought past liberal talking points, haven't you?
But I will understand if that is asking too much of you—
2:34 pm on April 15th, 2011 23
"The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro, where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry's own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new "friend's" dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him."
My links never work but what the hel: http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topics/…
2:42 pm on April 15th, 2011 24
Once again. A ll babies are born atheist. It i the default mode. Hate, superstition and hypocrisy are learned from the care givers.*
*some manage to recover
2:46 pm on April 15th, 2011 25
"When the IRS received Berry Soetoro's federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (where Berry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Berry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictious name Barrack Obama. This is why Berry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number."
Same source.
I do not know that any of it is true or not true.
Untill our President shows his look form, I will just have to think that the above is—a possibility.
3:05 pm on April 15th, 2011 26
"On a whim Barry ran for the U.S. Senate." "The election got all kinds of press because there was no blacks in the Senate."
"Alan Keys did his best to warn everyone Berry was not who he claimed to be, but the public saw him as a carpetbagger."
"The Democrats had already began scrubbing Barry's back ground when Ryan dropped out."
"Barry Soetoro is as much of a fraud as Bernie Madoff and his house of cards will soon fall down."
Those with more skills than I can dig deeper. As I have said before, I don't know the truth of any of this.
But until the President shows his long form, this is as good an explanation as any.
3:11 pm on April 15th, 2011 27
24 Leon, did you just throw that out there for the hell of it? Strong commitment to YOUR religion of atheism.
4:30 pm on April 15th, 2011 28
Here is what I don't understand about the defense budget.
Shortly after the Soviet Union collapsed and the public was calling for a peace dividend, the Pentagon's planners and budgeters did some analytical "gymnastics" and came up with something called a two war strategy. It was really generally believed to be a plan to fight a major conflict (Korean War part 2) and a less intense conflict at about the cost of maintaining the Cold War budget, which was about $350 billion at the time.
Even before 9/11, the last administration was starting to over-rule those assumptions.
US Abandons 2-War Strategy: New York Times [July 14, 2001]
But still, in the conclusion:
At the time, no one could know that those two wars would be mostly against primitive tribal insurgents where we only got much use of some our mega-million dollar marquee weapons in the opening salvo in the first few months. No one could know that those wars would go on for 8 to 10 years and largely paid for outside the budget through supplemental budget requests. Yet our budget is now over 230% of what its was.
I guess it's a good thing our two war strategy was tested against these primitive countries instead of real military powers or we would have been broke a long time ago.
5:10 pm on April 15th, 2011 29
Retired GI. Not to get off track too far but… Please look up the definition of atheism. You will find it is the lack of religion, which all people who truly care about their fellow man would adopt in an instant if they weren't brain washed from such an early age. Calling atheism a religion makes one sound ignorant, like those who claim the earth is 6000 years old, dinosaur bones are a test from god/devil and, of course, god hates fags at military funerals. You seem like a good fellow, don't be that guy.
Definition of ATHEISM: a disbelief in the existence of deity.
Now, it came up because someone, who don't know anything and you can do more checking yourself, suggested BO's birth certificate might state that he is a muslim, which is an even more loathsome religion than the pox of christianity (but not as bad as scientology). But you can check for yourself. Just saying. The point is, so what if it did?
It's like saying: "I'm not saying Fred Phelps, nor the pope are hemorphidite pedophiles from another planet where they subsist on faeces, I'm just throwing it out there. You can check the facts for yourself."
"Oh senseless man, who cannot possibly make a worm or a flea and yet will create Gods by the dozen!" — Michel de Montaigne
/now back to your regularly scheduled programing.
5:59 pm on April 15th, 2011 30
GI Korea's got this one right. The conspiracy that would have to take place to cover up Barrack's supposed Kenyan birth is enough to make even a brain-fried 9/11 conspiracy monger take in a deep breath and say, "gee, that seems like a bit of a stretch."
Babble all you want about 'long forms', but until you can come up with a good explanation for how Obama's birth was reported in two different Hawaiian papers, you're just farting in the wind.
Your hate is making you dumb.
6:28 pm on April 15th, 2011 31
#25,
Dude, that's like just one step away from World Trade Center conspiracy theorist crazy.
7:13 pm on April 15th, 2011 32
Any government which can fake a moon landing could most certainly pull off a fake terrorist attack or empower a foreigner to become president – without breaking a sweat. Wake up people!
7:43 pm on April 15th, 2011 33
Leon,
That is the stupidest thing I ever read.
They didn't "pull off" any of those things. They just aren't competent or all-powerful enough.
It is the fluoride in the water, the barium in the chemtrails, and focused broadband scalar emissions from HAARP, which allowed the Illuminati to use the CIA's MKULTRA ind control techniques on the population so they wouldn't notice the government's obviously fake moon landings which funneled money to build FEMA death camps, transparent false flag terrorist operations designed to protect China's oil supply, and a Muslim usurper in the White House spelling the end for Christianity and the rise of Satanism.
10:59 pm on April 15th, 2011 34
Don't forget the Shriners.
All of them are after our precious bodily fluids.
11:47 pm on April 15th, 2011 35
Until I see a Real BC, anything is possible. None of you can do anything except ridicule. That's fine. I know you don't have the answer. Only Barry does and he isn't talking.
It is too easy to fix. But as long as he has "the Faithful followers", why should he.
Leon, you speak of atheism the way a Baptist Preacher does on giving the 10% for the tithe. Which makes atheism your religion. (sorry) No one can prove or disprove a God or Gods. So your lack of faith is, in effect, a faith. I tend to think it is tied up in ET, but I don't know EITHER.
But this is an interesting discussion. We have believers in the blind faith of Obama. We have dissenters that believe the government is not capable of hiding ones past.
All of you are attempting to forward your own narrative.
I just want to see the BC. The Constitution says I have a right to know. Prove he was born an American and then I will forget it and talk about his Sociiallist agenda. Too easy to do. But he will not do it. Makes a man go, hmm. "what is he afraid of?"
Obama is nothing more than the democrats taking advantage of a situation that presented itself. It was not conspired from his birth. But we made JFK and Bobby "disappeared". Why not Barry's history. Too easy. Too damn easy.
Leon, you don't believe we landed on the Moon? I'm sorry to hear that Dude.
Teabagger uh "drinker", all he has to do is show the BC and it all goes away. Untill he does, it is still a possibility. America, as a nation just looks ignorant untill he does show the BC. But you like that, right?
ChickenHead, you know the Muslim in the White House does not spell the rise of Satanism. He believes in Mohammed.
Get with the program CH. But you're right about the fluoride in the water! That's why I drink Whiskey. 
Now I must go and rejoin the real world and cut the grass. It doesn't care about the BC — either.
7:32 am on April 16th, 2011 36
JoeC 3, Republicans aren't forced to say outlandish things. They are free to say something like, "I'm not leaving the Republican party, it has left me. In this election, I'm running as a Democrat."
8:11 am on April 16th, 2011 37
36 Glans — ahhhahahahahahahaha. I remember that guy now.
At least the conservatives do TELL their politicians what they want them to do.
Rather that, than the Politicians telling the people what they want, as is the case with the Democrates.
9:23 am on April 16th, 2011 38
Donald Trump warns Eric Cantor not to give up the birther fight: 'People love this issue.' Here's his TPM interview, with video.
9:35 pm on April 16th, 2011 39
#33 Exactly. That's what I'm talking about! The Rockefeller's and the Tri-Lateral Commission are in on it… and the masons and Skull and Crossbone society too! Speak the truth Chickenhead! Wait a minute, someone's knocking at the door, I be… #@!$E<GQY(
NO CARRIER
9:55 pm on April 16th, 2011 40
Farewell, Leon.
I hope you enjoy your black helicopter ride to the basement of the Denver airport where the Grays and Reptilians will fight over who gets to give you the next anal probe.
10:16 pm on April 16th, 2011 41
What birth certificates list religion?!
10:53 pm on April 16th, 2011 42
I got away. Thanks to the power of prayer.
Anyhoo, Kushibo I don't know of any which do. But the Trumpster threw it out there.
During an appearance on "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News on Wednesday night, Donald Trump suggested that President Barack Obama's birth certificate could indicate that "he's a Muslim."
"He may have one, but there is something on that birth certificate," he explained, suggesting the document could highlight something the president doesn't want voters to see. "Maybe religion. Maybe it says he's a Muslim. I don't know. Maybe he doesn't want that. Or he may not have one. I will tell you this: if he wasn't born in this country, it's one of the great scams of all time." – DT
12:01 am on April 17th, 2011 43
The 1961 long form birth certificate does not have religion listed on it. You can see a copy of a 1961 long form at this link:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921
The only inconsistent thing I can think of that could be on the long form is that his mother gave him a different name. Maybe on the long form his mother gave him the name Barry Dunham? Maybe after returning from Indonesia he changed his name to Barack Obama?
12:02 am on April 17th, 2011 44
Speaking of World Trade Center conspiracy theorists…They are pissed off at Charlie Sheen…not because he makes them look bad but because he isn't giving them any attention anymore. Yup, completely loony.
12:11 am on April 17th, 2011 45
"Until I see a Real BC, anything is possible."
Right, like it's possible that have a third eye growing in the back of your head because nobody ever showed you that it isn't there.
In any case, it was released and it's real:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
"None of you can do anything except ridicule."
Neener neener.
12:18 am on April 17th, 2011 46
“Until I see a Real BC, anything is possible.”
This could apply to many things but some people are willing to accept certain things on faith alone. Curiouser and curiouser.
Anyway, I wish he'd just release the damn thing and get it over with. It's just plain silly all around.
12:24 am on April 17th, 2011 47
#46,
That's probably why he isn't releasing it. Think of it as a litmus test for idiots.
12:40 am on April 17th, 2011 48
#47 Call me a cynic but maybe it's meant to be a distraction.
12:48 am on April 17th, 2011 49
Teabagger um, DAMN, I meant drinker of course, I looked at your link.
Much talk of, but not one pic on the "complete" document. Hmmm?
No "evidence" at all. Give it another go. A complete pic of the doc in question, large enough to read.
You're very well educated. I'm sure you can find it. (not a CoLB please)
12:54 am on April 17th, 2011 50
#49,
Why don't you find it? It's not as if you don't have the internet.
1:02 am on April 17th, 2011 51
#46 Leon, I'm not big on "faith". I do have "faith" that most, if not all creatures on earth have but two eyes, Except spiders, and my Mum, who did seem to have a third one in the back of her head.
Perhaps Barry's birth name is connected with drug abuse, male prostitution or other crimes.
Again, I do not know. So, the questions remains.
The fact that he has not released it is however, evidence that he has much to hide and is perhaps more of a criminal that your average politician.
Without the BC as evidence, it is a possibility that he may be an illegal alien. If that were the case, i might not survive the fits of laughter!
1:15 am on April 17th, 2011 52
@51 – I don't see any possibility he is an illegal alien. You have the birth announcements in two newspapers and Hawaii state officials and even the Republican governor stating they have seen his birth documents and can confirm he was born in Hawaii.
That takes me back to the only two possibilities:
1. Something inconsistent on the long form birth certificate.
2. Intentional distraction
2:02 am on April 17th, 2011 53
"Perhaps Barry’s birth name is connected with drug abuse, male prostitution or other crimes."
Oh, are you playing every Republican's favorite game, Innuendo?
Ok, my turn:
Perhaps he farts confetti and streamers.
6:48 am on April 17th, 2011 54
Or perhaps he has something to hide in his administration which was supposed to herald a new era of government transparency.
Not saying anything on the matter because I don't know, but I'm not calling people who are asking about it names, either.
6:59 am on April 17th, 2011 55
The real issue is Trust in Government.
Either he has something to hide or he is playing a game.
Either way, he is a shytbag.
And there is no other way to spin it.
9:27 am on April 17th, 2011 56
#55,
Right, so he's that because he won't allow himself to be bullied by Republicans who keep pulling every dirty tricks out of their sleeve. Brilliant logic.
9:59 am on April 17th, 2011 57
As the cops always say. If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, citizen.
1:20 pm on April 17th, 2011 58
@52 GI Korea, it is number one.
1:36 pm on April 17th, 2011 59
I have to fill out all kinds of papers before I buy a gun– why shouldn't the commander in chief of the world's largest nuclear force not have to show some real ID?
1:44 pm on April 17th, 2011 60
@54, you're spot on target.
#55 ChickenHead you are correct. But you're making teabagger um drinker uncomfortable. Now he is trying to claim "victim status" for the Democrats (liberals) by claiming the Repubs are "bullying" the great Obama. That is of course ridiculous. Obama and Pelosi were doing that to the Repubs since the false Prophet took the White House.
I told you GI Korea–you can learn allot about being a Liberal from teabagger um drinker. Being from Canada doesn't slow him down. Plus he is highly educated. He can teach you to be a good liberal.
Example: when he refers to the Repubs doing every dirty trick in the book. That is a fine example of a tactic known as the "mirror effect". Whatever your group is doing that is bad or wrong, mirror it onto your enemy.
I have heard that (Rules for Radicals, by Saul D. Alinsky) is recommended reading in left leaning colleges these days.
1:59 pm on April 17th, 2011 61
@59 According to the U.S. Constitution, Article II, Paragraph {5} ——–HE DOES!!
But when you try to enforce the LAW, you are called names to include Racist. Your Intelligence is put into question. If those fail to shut you up, they – Liberals, go for personal attacks. Liberals are really quite violent — like children when they don't get their way.
Obama sitting in the White House for over two years, without releasing evidence of citizenship is a crime. But a crime the American People deserve. You notice the #1 defender of Obama is from Canada. Tells me much right there.
Obama will end up being the GREATEST shame on the Democrats and the American People. It will take years to recover the respect of the world. At least they feared Bush. They happily except Obama's bows of subjugation.
1:59 pm on April 17th, 2011 62
GI Korea wrote:
There is a third possibility and that is that is that the question has been asked and satisfactorily answered and Obama (or anyone in his situation) is not obligated to keep responding to ever-shifting goalposts by people who (a) cannot be convinced no matter what and/or (b) are on a perpetual fishing expedition.
Obama satisfactorily showed to election officials that he was eligible. When some screamed for his birth certificate (how many other candidates for president have we seen their birth certificate?), he released the Certification of Live Birth which specifically states he was born in Honolulu and which was verified by the Republican governor at the time. This was then decried as "fake!" but when it was verified as authentic by several sources, then the goalposts changed when the critics said, no, it can't be the COLB, it must be the long form. What will be the call when/if that were to be released? Guaranteed, it will be called fake, and then some other supporting evidence will be demanded because the long form could be faked, etc., etc., ad nauseum .
Obama did more than most other presidents or candidates have, and that's enough. He has issued for the public to see an official document that very clearly states he was born in Honolulu. That's all he has to do; on principle, he does not need to and in fact should not keep catering to the critics and the ever-changing goalposts. Go see the move The Contender about the response to critics perpetually invading privacy in such a way.
The birthers outing themselves as nutters is just a fringe benefit. Arizona outing themselves as "the meth lab of democracy" is icing on the cake. According to their new law, the official Certification of Live Birth is NOT acceptable, but instead of a long form, you can submit a decidedly unofficial baptismal or circumcision record and an also very unofficial (and easily alterable) hospital birth record. That's how severe their Obama Derangement Syndrome is.
I wish the Tea Party would get back to important things like balanced budgets.
2:09 pm on April 17th, 2011 63
For the birthers, what do you make of Barack Hussein Obama's passport stating he was born in Hawaii?
2:15 pm on April 17th, 2011 64
Release it and find out.
Personally, I will start on his lack of leadership. Sociialiist agenda. Rev Wright and so on and so forth.
There is zero shortage of items to discuss about the one who promised the most OPEN administration in American history.
Yeah OBAMA — release it already. What are you hiding CUMP? You're in violation of the Constitution and have been for 2.5 years.
ARTICLE II, PARAGRAPH (5) U.S. CONSTITUTION.
2:22 pm on April 17th, 2011 65
#63 What do YOU think of his Indonesian passport?
Maybe the CIA gave it to him when he was a mule for the CIA narcotics trade.
Then gave him a U.S. passport for a reward.
The Long Form is the only correct response.
2:22 pm on April 17th, 2011 66
'Cept he HAS released official and satisfactory proof of being born in Honolulu, Retired GI. He's not in violation of anything. The birther movement moving the goalposts does not make that any less true.
2:26 pm on April 17th, 2011 67
He has NOT. You are smart enough to know that. Not seen a long form yet.
Goalpost are where they always have been: Long Form please.
The CoLB can be altered, as in when an adoption occurs.
2:27 pm on April 17th, 2011 68
See, Retired GI, if people question your intelligence regarding the birther issue, it's because you keep spewing out speculation as if it is fact. Where is this Indonesia passport? 'Cuz when I did an image search on the off chance I'd missed that bit of news, the most intriguing thing I found was this (NSFW, perhaps).
If an Indonesia passport of Obama's exists in a form other than the figment of someone's speculative imagination, I'd really, really, really like to see it. It could join the FEC's apparent lack of public documentation of them having vetted BHO's citizenship as the only thing going for the birther cause (although having been an Indonesian citizen as a child wouldn't preclude him from being a natural born citizen).
2:31 pm on April 17th, 2011 69
They alter the "LOCATION OF BIRTH" if you're adopted?
2:34 pm on April 17th, 2011 70
You're smart enough to know that demanding the long form after first declaring the COLB a fake is an example of moving the goalposts. The State of Hawaii has repeatedly acknowledged that the COLB is an official document demonstrating proof of birth in the place stated on the COLB.
For sh¡ts and giggles I tried to get my own long form birth certificate and was unable. I have a Certificate of Live Birth, which states where in Los Angles County I was born, but that's it. My original facsimile has been satisfactory for me getting a driver license, voter registration, and a passport.
2:37 pm on April 17th, 2011 71
@69 If NEED be.
I see from your link in 68, that you have nothing of value to add.
I'll check back in the morning to see if a Long Form has been suddenly found after nearly three years.
2:45 pm on April 17th, 2011 72
Nope. And neither do you, because this be a dead horse you're beating.
COLB is official proof. They don't change the LOCATION OF BIRTH just because someone may have been legally adopted (and the legal adoption is purely speculative on the birthers' part).
'Nuff said. Nothing new to add because it's been asked and answered.
2:49 pm on April 17th, 2011 73
And yeah, the link to Obama's mom was from a legitimate search for the alleged Indonesia passport. No such passport turned up, so if you can link me to what you're talking about, I would very sincerely be appreciative of the information.
If I see real evidence, I can be swayed. In my own efforts to look into this, I found the apparent lack of vetting process information by the FEC, and I have stated so, so I think I'm being open minded enough on new evidence. So please, show me the Indonesia passport you're talking about.
2:57 pm on April 17th, 2011 74
Chris Matthews of MSNBC showed a long form bc on his program which was NOT what President Obama showed & asked the President TO JUST RELEASE THE DAMN THING. Nobody can accuse Chris Matthews of being a right wing nut job, he is about as left wing as you can get. I can't think of anything else that I would agree with Mr Matthews about but he is correct in my opinion here. Mr President, JUST RELEASE THE DAMN THING. I can't recall anyone complaining about what Mr Matthews has said but when conservatives say the same thing then all of a sudden they are racists (that's the liberals favorite insult). Hey liberals, is Mr Matthews "racist"? If not then why not?
3:00 pm on April 17th, 2011 75
Also, could you provide a link to something demonstrating that the LOCATION OF BIRTH on the Hawaii COLB is alterable, as you claimed in #71?
The COLB clearly states: "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding." So changing it would make it inadmissible in court, and the whole thing falls apart, not just for Obama but for everyone in Hawaii. That alone makes it EXTREMELY unlikely that the "facts" on these are readily alterable.
I've read claims that they issued COLBs for people born outside Hawaii, but that the LOCATION OF BIRTH doesn't say they were born in Hawaii.
Also, if you believe that the "prima facie evidence" COLB is alterable, why would you assume that the long form is not also alterable? Wouldn't the obvious response be to claim that any long form released is fake, and then if that doesn't pan out, claim it's been altered?
3:19 pm on April 17th, 2011 76
kushibo 68, is that picture genuine? What happened to Stanley's breasts?
9:19 pm on April 17th, 2011 77
What is the difference between US Citizen, Naturalized Citizen, Native Born Citizen, and Natural Born Citizen. Of all of those types of citizens, why do we have two jobs in the US Government that require only "Natural Born Citizens" apply?
If you're not familiar with the following and how they pertain to the notion of Natural Born Citizenship, perhaps you should look them up on the internet:
John Jay
Emmerich De Vattel
"Laws of Nations"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/20/us-libr…
John Bingham
14th Amendment
Minor v. Happersett(1875)
2008 Democratic National Committee vetting process for president
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/…
Tim Adams (affidavit)
LTC Terry Lakin
Connecticut SSN
I freely admit I am a capitalist. I am for small government. I love our military. I believe there is very little the federal government was granted regarding powers.. the military being the most important of those powers. I don't believe the government is supposed to take care of people from cradle to grave. I hate the way the commerce clause has been interpreted. I am a firm constitutionalist. I hate that activist judges "interpret" laws. I would prefer almost anyone (ANYONE) in the office of President than the man who sets there now. I will vote for any Republican (ANY REPUBLICAN) that runs for President in 2012 – which will be the second time I will vote for a President in my lifetime. The first, last and only time I voted for President was 1984 when I (as a "redneck" from West Virginia) wrote in the name Jesse Jackson… to stop any of you who will automatically assume a white (oh yeah, I'm white by the way), West Virginian is a racist and hates the person sitting in the White House now because of his race.
To be honest, if my man were in the White House and going through the same situation, I might play straight politics on this. But I'd be lying to myself that there wasn't something "fishy". And I would be intellectually dishonest… much of what I get from most people who discount the whole "birther" thing. Most don't seem to understand the "eligibility thing"… yet.
By the way, Mr. Obama could've been born in the Lincoln Bedroom in my estimation based upon what I've read (to include the information I listed above) and still not be eligible to be the President. If you really care why I believe this, read up on it. His birthplace has no relevance to eligibility… unless his father is/was a US citizen the day he was born. And I believe he must've been born in Hawaii because the whole mother going to Kenya while pregnant in that day and age would've been insane. I don't buy the deal about the newspaper announcements as being definitive proof of his birth in Hawaii though. The Department of Health released that information upon the registration of a birth.
This whole situation is much more complex once you start peeling back the layers of the onion. I really think if you're truly honest with yourself, you have to ask many questions to get heading towards truth.
10:13 pm on April 17th, 2011 78
Glans wrote:
I don't know if it's genuine. It's mentioned here and there, but I only discovered it today, while searching for the aforementioned Indonesia passport.
In hindsight, I regret having linked to that. While it's already out there, by linking to it I added to the pile-on that has occurred with Ann Dunham and her brood. In an effort to prove that Mr Obama is ineligible to be president or that he is hiding something dastardly and/or embarrassing, Obama's critics have dragged her through the mud. She is called a slut (one link suggests Obama's father is someone else, with whom Ann Dunham had a three-way, and then covered up with the marriage to Obama Sr), Ann Dunham was anti-American (so she got her kid Indonesian citizenship), Ann Dunham was a race traitor (and the result is she married a non-White non-American and so Obama is not eligible to be a natural born citizen), etc., etc.
And of course, she can't defend herself or explain anything because she passed away at a young age. And so it is up to Barack Hussein Obama himself to bear the brunt of all these smears against his dearly departed mother.
And that's just not right. Going after Ann Dunham like that doesn't make the case for his eligibility. Going after, say, the Bush twins, Liz Cheney, Barbara Bush, Chelsea Clinton, Obama's kids, etc., to include Ann Dunham, is just plain wrong. I shouldn't have participated in that.
10:59 pm on April 17th, 2011 79
Obama's eligibility for job still a question (http://www.app.com/article/CN/20110418/NJOPINION0201/104180318/0/NEWS/Obama-s-eligibility-job-still-question?odyssey=nav%7Chead)
Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate
Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1JsPtHnlr)
Then, there is the COLB that the OBAMA campaign released: (http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg)
And though it hard to see, and they have a blowup link for it, there is also this COLB issued by the State of Hawaii THE DAY AFTER Obama was "born in Hawaii". The differences are very obvious. And, the article also states that Obama's certificate number is HIGHER than the one issued the following day. You are born a day earlier, yet wind up with a number higher then the previous day? (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347)
"Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there.
Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.
But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.
And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.
He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/H…
And this was from January, and it is now April, and he (Abercrombie), still can't find it?
2:19 am on April 18th, 2011 80
Look!
The emperor's mom has no clothes, too!
5:58 am on April 18th, 2011 81
It's official. The Architect: Karl Rove has spoken.
6:15 am on April 18th, 2011 82
Ooops. Corrected without offset.
1:00 pm on April 18th, 2011 83
JoeC, Rove is part of the Machine, too; but he has a point. Birthers are jokes.
I don't much care about the color of skin, political party, or marital status of the POTUS or his parents or his manicurist.
BUT! I'm not a big fan of folks who make grandiose campaign promises and make no attempt to abide by them. And I detest those who apologize for America. And a POTUS is not supposed to bow to any foreign leader, even out of politeness. Obama is not man enough for the job. Clinton was, in many ways, better than either Bush. Reagan was the best since Truman.
We need a President who is a bit of a CEO out there selling US products like freedom and democracy, not mincing about wringing his hands like a Thai nancyboy apologizing because the streets in America are not paved with gold…
We're still the best place to live. But not if the current un-Truman-like crop of Dim-o-crats can't get their hand out of the till… When he said "The buck stops here" he did not mean he wanted a kickback, he meant he took responsibility for the way things are going. Exactly the opposite of the guy sitting in the Oval Office has done for the last two years…
8:08 pm on April 18th, 2011 84
Jan Brewer vetoed the Arizona birther bill.
9:25 pm on April 18th, 2011 85
RINO!!!
11:55 pm on April 18th, 2011 86
#83 There were some gun bills she vetoed also. Only heard a brief comment on it during lunch. Guns on campuse thing that she vetoed. Disapointing. But I expect that from a female.
Kushibo, since you're still beating that dead horse and showing nude pics of Obama's mommy, I have something else for you to pull your hair out about.
http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may…
(or not) The point is, we just don't know who he is. Other than the #1 Sociialiist in America today. THAT, we know.
12:36 pm on April 19th, 2011 87
Montana: "The United States, favors creativity wherever it can be found. We're apostles of prosperity and defenders of the free exchange of ideas and when more people in more countries are free to rise, to invent, to communicate, to dissent, it's not the doom of United States leadership, its the triumph of the American way."
Couldn't agree more with this. I'm not even american but the same principles apply to every democratic nation.
9:16 pm on April 20th, 2011 88
Want more Stanley pix? Click here.
11:38 am on April 25th, 2011 89
Today, I realized why, against all evidence, the Birther movement keeps going.
Obama doesn't really act American… he seems not to practice or respect the small nuances of fundamental American culture.
This is the type of behavior one looks for when searching out spies, criminals and impostors… and it is quite uncomfortable to see it coming from a president with an unusual name and an intentionally murky background.
The Birther movement is simply an improbable attempt to make sense of a situation that is even more improbable.
Obama's failure to officially recognize Easter, while recognizing Muslim holidays, is yet another link in a long chain of disrespect of American culture, traditions, values, and manners… from refusing to put his hand over his heart and refusal to wear an American flag pin to having a wife who yaps about not being proud of her country until her husband became popular.
He bows to our enemies yet disrespects our traditional and trustworthy allies. He openly blames America for global problems and bad international relations yet promotes policies that damage America and its international credibility… even policies he was quick to condemn when Bush was promoting them.
While many lawmakers sabotage America for their own interests, their overall "look and feel" is still American… or, at least, they make a big effort for it to seem so.
But like an impostor, Obama just doesn't feel like a loyal American interested in BEING American and interested in the success of America. He doesn't even try.
And this encourages the Birthers to explain how this could happen… as the only other option borders on the unthinkable.
Could America have produced and promoted somebody so un-American?
11:56 am on April 25th, 2011 90
Chickenhead 89, that was a good comment. It made me think, and now insight has struck like lightning.
Obama has been commenting on this blog, using the name 'Tom'.
11:59 am on April 25th, 2011 91
Light bulb moment for you Chickenhead? About time.
1:47 pm on April 25th, 2011 92
honestly with a person that has 2-3 different names and different passports why the fuck shouldnt someone be concerned about it
as for saying "how many other presidents were asked to show their original BC's?" refer to comment above!!!
2:52 am on April 27th, 2011 93
Well the President FINALLY did the right thing. As left wing pundit Chris Matthews of MSNBC & I in comment #74 requested, he FINALLY just released the damn thing. Now the the BC has been released as far as I'm concerned the whole matter can be put to rest. President Obama complained that this whole matter was a distraction, well HE caused the distraction by not doing the right thing months ago. I give the President credit for doing the right thing. This is his way of "leadership". Just like he waited for months to approve the surge in Afghanistan (I'm sure the delay caused needless American deaths) this delay caused people to focus on his BC rather than the spending that is heading us to become bankrupt. A military officers career was trashed when he questioned the Presidents lack of a long form BC. It was right to court-martial this officer because he disobeyed deployment orders. I am sure that some people will doubt the veracity of the released BC because the sequence numbers are off from some twins who were born but as for me as I wrote before I believed him to be a citizen because of the newspaper announcements and this just confirms it. Thank you Mr President for doing the right thing, FINALLY.
3:11 am on April 27th, 2011 94
I agree with #93 above. FINALLY, the Sociialiist in Chief did the right thing. Only took him three YEARS. Now he has met the standards set in the Constitution. Now I can move on to his Sociialiist tendencies, lack of leadership, lack of concern, lack of understanding and so on. I would still like to see his grades, but it isn't important compared to his BC. He and "W" both went to Harvard. They said "W" was an idiot, so it is safe to assume that BO is also. I look forward to 2012. In 2008 he was elected on his charm and of course his race. The MSM swooned over him like a virgin over her first love. Now he has what he didn't in 2008—a record. I will enjoy the coming debates.
To think that it took Trump, of all people to make this happen. I wonder what else he can make happen.
3:15 am on April 27th, 2011 95
http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2011/…
So I looked at the long form.
And I have just one question…
…down there on "Signature of Local Registrar" line.
Who the funk is Ukulele?
4:28 am on April 27th, 2011 96
First name is "My"?
5:55 am on April 27th, 2011 97
"Fake but accurate"?
8:49 am on April 27th, 2011 98
*yawn*
This whole thing has been stupid on both sides of the political latrine. It worked. For nearly three years the great unwashed masses have been wallowing and writhing in our own filth as the Republicrats jointly stood over us and pissed and defecated on each of us. In the meantime, while we were distracted with this important but silly issue, our leaders still refuse to govern. They are destroying our country and what is next for us? College transcripts brought to you by a reality TV mogul? We are our own worst enemy and we deserve the leadership WE have elected. Shame on us.
6:56 pm on April 27th, 2011 99
Since the long-form has been produced, and the naysaying has begun in earnest, I just wanted to point out how prescient I was about moving the goalposts, back in comment #62.
Nevertheless, their persistence has made me a skeptic and now I'm convinced the recently released long form may be fake.
7:24 pm on April 27th, 2011 100
The goalpost has never moved. Obama just keeps running only halfway down the field and then complaining that he didn't get the point.
The goal is to have clear documentation which shows the history, ability, values, and beliefs of our president.
Releasing a PDF instead of an uncompressed BMP or RAW picture is just another level of game-playing by an increasingly untrustworthy president.
This brings up more questions than it answers.
What IS he hiding?
8:15 pm on April 27th, 2011 101
Wasn't the point of releasing the birth certificate to determine Constitutional eligibility?
And weren't we told over and over that Obama could "debunk a bunch of doubts with a simple step: Could they release a copy of his birth certificate?"
Now that it's been released, in two different forms, the goalposts have shifted from Constitutional eligibility to, well, something else. Something fuzzy and therefore harder to refute.
Michelle Bachmann:
Pat Buchanan:
Jerome Corsi:
We've been told over and over again that this will all be cleared up if he reveals the birth certificate. He released the standard COLB, which is clearly a legally acceptable standard, then that was called fake, and when it was revealed not to be fake, then they demanded the long form. Now it's being called fake, but those who accept it are again saying it's not enough. We want college records, plus he's not really eligible because his dad wasn't American.
It keeps moving. He should never have released the so-called "long form."
10:01 pm on April 27th, 2011 102
101, I'm happy he released it. My Question is why did it take 3 years? He ran on having the most "transparent" administration in history. He didn't get close. Is it a fake? Could be. But I wouldn't know it, so I accept it. To quote Fran Tarkenton last night on Fox Business, "He may wish he could lose it again". Now there is nothing blocking the conversation of his Sociialiist Policies, lack of leadership and in general seeming quite un-American in his thinking.
He did the right thing but at the wrong time when he released it. Just as he did with Libya.
Carter is still the worst President, but I believe it will be revealed that Obama is the most corrupt in American history.
(I notice that you STILL want to talk about the BC) That is interesting.
12:06 pm on August 2nd, 2011 103
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– Obama has ALSO DECLARED to his Supporters
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Obama demands !
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Obama has ALSO DECLARED “Republicans are our enemies”-
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
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THESE ARE OBAMAS OWN WORDS..
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