Some 400 prostitutes hold a rally in front of the Chuncheon City Hall in Gangwon Province on May 31, calling for a delay of crackdowns on brothels and measures to support them if their shops are closed. (Yonhap)
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1:33 pm on June 1st, 2011 1
Unless they are human-traffickees, it’s hard to feel sorry for people who chose this most detestable vocation.
Well, second only to the pillowcase-with-eyeholes folks who say people of color aren’t capable of succeeding without government help…
3:05 pm on June 1st, 2011 2
I know nothing about the life of the average Korean Glass House worker, but I’ve talked to a number of women around the world who say they willing chose to free lance selling sex. They seemed to be more confident, open minded, assertive and well adjusted than most women I’ve met. Some of them already have successful, professional jobs but do it in their spare time, not just for the money, but some say, for the power it makes them feel over the men who must comply with their rules. They prefer to be called escorts.
My impression is, if prostitution were legalized and regulated and the women could be assured all the security, rights and protections of a regular worker, more women would choose to do so. For those who don’t understand, you can be charged with raping an escort.
Here is a thought experiment:
What’s the difference between a prostitute and a XXX porn actress? Then, a soft core actress? Then, an actress simulating it in R-rated movies? Then, the dating women we call gold-diggers? Then, the women who “marry well”?
4:47 pm on June 1st, 2011 3
There must have been a protest or threat of protest yesterday in Seoul. I went down near Kyobo Bookstore, and there were police buses around the corner. Far more than normal.
It had something to do with the Donga Ilbo. Walking by, I noticed two lines of about 20 riot police (no shields) standing in front of the doors and about 30 Koreans in regular dress standing in lines in front of them – quietly confronting them.
I didn’t have time to check it out more than that, and the civilians were gone when I came back by about an hour later.
5:31 pm on June 1st, 2011 4
How is this a news? Who cares what prostittues do
5:32 pm on June 1st, 2011 5
And am I the only one who has ad showing filifno cupid.com? lol So this is how this web site makes money.
8:26 pm on June 1st, 2011 6
400 prostitutes…that’s what I’d call a national assembly.
8:26 pm on June 1st, 2011 7
#4,
Call me naive, but I still vote.
8:59 pm on June 1st, 2011 8
Q: Why were the investigating authorities worried about leaks?
A: There was a crackdown.
4:58 pm on June 2nd, 2011 9
I guarantee most of the police doing the cracking have visited that street more than once
6:03 pm on June 2nd, 2011 10
In my opinion, Prostitutes provide a victomless service. Sure other forms of low-life feed off their business but the original act is still a service where no one gets hurt. The police should crackdown on themselves before looking for ways to create a new group of unemployed citizens. I have spent more than ten years in Korea. I have seen my Korean friend who owned a small bar harasted for bribes because he stayed open past midnight a few times. The police officer, of high rank I should add, would ride up on his little motorbike weekly just to pick up his envelope. Eventually my friend could not afford to make the weekly payments and had to sell his business. Instead of chasing the prostitutes around why not go door to door and collect the traffic fines from all the violators. Seoul would then have tons of actual revenue to use on projects that might create new jobs! Oh but they cannot do that, some male violator might be offended! Korea, if you want to clean up your country you should start with your police force and traffic violators first. How nice would it be to be able to advertize that Korea has the best drivers in the world?
7:07 pm on June 2nd, 2011 11
Ahh, Korean Hookers. Good memories from back in the day. Itaewon still had a hill called “Hooker Hill”. College girls making a little extra money. Older Professional types that needed an income. Others that had no skills whatsoever! Then there were some that just liked to do it.
I never got around to going near a glass house. Heard they didn’t care for the Round Eyes.
That was before there was something called “human trafficking”. But later I knew one of the so called “trafficked” Russian women. A guy pointed her out to me when explaining how he had paid her fine to get her out of the bar. She was greatful and left. She also came back six months later.
Leave the girls alone. At least they are working. Not sucking on the government tit or trying to marry someone for food and board. The working women that I knew were quite strong and independent of nature.
But then there were the ones that worked in the bar to pay off a loan for their father. So he could send the son to college. That was unfortunate. Agima was no help either. They ended up hooking sooner or later. But that was the way it was then.
10:01 pm on June 2nd, 2011 12
Retired GI,#11. I share your sentiments! Just got back from
a 3 week visit to Korea. Last time was 08′. Was on the go
from the time I got there. Could believe the modern transformation in just the past 3 years. After traveling
from Pusan to the DMZ, I went for a “walk down memory lane”
to Casey and other places I was stationed at. My emotions
after doing that were melancholic, sad in a way. The old
rustic, gritty, Korea is no more. The place had a charm to
it, a young soldiers dream come true. A GI’s domain in the
outlying areas and places like the clubs, Itaewon were our
fantastic playground. Not anymore, the place is flooded
with Chinese tourist, Itaewon is not comfortable to me,
Russians, Nigerians hanging around. Americans that are not
part of the soldiers world or culture. That is my take
anyway.
10:04 pm on June 2nd, 2011 13
Correction to my last post: “Could NOT believe the transformation”. Left out the word “not”.
4:45 am on June 3rd, 2011 14
Jeff, Chinese tourist?!! Last I was there was jan 2004. Russian ladies were gone, Flips were in. Everyone was crying about human trafficking EXCEPT the Flips. They were sending money home to Mom and Dad while looking for a Hubby on the side. Clubs were charging in the hundreds to get a girl off for the weekend. None of the troops would believe that a night with a bar girl cost 20 usd in the 80′s unless another old NCO would show up and admit it the truth. Those were some ugly flips too.
I used to love a payday weekend in Itaewon. Winter was best! Drunks AND ice on Hooker Hill!
7:31 am on June 3rd, 2011 15
Jeff Fisher,
“My emotions after doing that were melancholic, sad in a way. ”
Tell me about it.
I go to Songtan every year and I want to cry harder each time.
I first went there in August of 1999 to meet a friend who was in town, looked around and said “Hmmmm!”, and opened a bar about 7 weeks later on October 1st. While the prices were no longer 80s-style, the place was rockin’! The price thing, however, was way, way in my favor.
September 11, 2001 put a dent in things for a year but it picked up again. I can’t remember when the open sex shows ended… 2002 maybe? Fun-wise, things were up and down after 9/11 with occasional fake crackdowns so the little gang of Air Force colonels on Osan could get their bribe money… but, due to external pressures, there was a downward trend on just how much fun was tolerated.
The Batman would have a banana show and some “lucky” GI would get to eat the banana… tame compared to Thailand and the PI… but shocking for conservative Korea and the few trusted Koreans I invited for a visit. A grinning Town Patrol would always be there to “keep order” during the show… as if anybody had anything disorderly on their mind that didn’t involve nudity.
It seems that by 2004, the Russians and Pick-a-stans were mostly gone… prostitution and human trafficking is a creepy thing when the girls have blond hair and blue eyes… but the Filipinas stayed (and still stay) because nobody gives a funk about them… to Stateside media and dependent wives, as long as they have slant eyes, they are all the same thing… and that’s what “those Asians” do… but white girls don’t do that and it must be stopped.
Somewhere, there is humor in all this since the Philippines has been a better ally and may have more culturally in common with the United States than Russia and the Stans. This is off the top of my head and others may have a more clear opinion on this statement.
Anyway, the only Russians left were the ones who were married to Koreans or runaway GIs by 2005.
Songtan (Osan AB) got really un-fun in 2004 and Anjung-ri (Camp Hump.) followed in 2005. Instead of letting GI Joe drink hard and play hard unpestered in a supervised environment where bad actions didn’t affect USFK’s reputation, they made everything an alcohol-related incident and chased the GIs out into Real Korea where the rowdy drunken fun that GIs MUST have for self-discovery and team-building are fantastically irritating to local Koreans.
This was (and continues to be) a real dishonor to the perception of USFK that, due to lack of vocal Korean opposition, stays quietly under the radar except when GIs try to raape grandmothers on the local economy or drive drunk far from post.
Ville shopkeepers love big, loud, smack-talking, eye-funking, jerking-around groups of GIs in their shops… but the other 49,000,000 Koreans don’t.
Last year, I went to Songtan on a payday Saturday. There were a few clubs that were busy but most places had few customers… and there was a feeling of desperation among many owners… and they pined for the Good Old Days when the party was wild, the customers believed in “extreme drinking”, and the money flowed.
Any GI with their shyt together was up in Seoul… and only the lazy and hard-core juicers remained… as the best parts of juicing and prostitution have been cracked down on… but the worst parts, mostly involving ripping off GIs, have remained.
I will go again in a month or so… but I am told it is even worse than last year. Depressing.
Anybody been around Osan or Anjung-ri for the last 10 years that has an opinion on all this? What about Daegu, Kunsan, or Up North? What’s the trend been?
There is an empty spot in my heart that I will never be able to run a GI bar again… not because of me… but because the world has changed.
From the vanished bloowjob bars of the PI to the vanishing 7-night-a-week orange street carts of Korea filled with drunken ajashis in suits, the world has become… tame.
The modern American GI seems more interested in XBox scores and Tweeter feeds from manufactured acquaintances than licking tequila off the nipple of a fat, drunk Army skank with his best buddy on the other tit while 50 guys cheer them on… and then think I’m the best guy in the whole world if I give them unlimited free tequila as long as they drink it out of her spread butt crack… and, after a quarter bottle, they eat the skidmarks out of her panties around her knees.
My old customers who were unbelievably wild and crazy 10 years ago have retired or achieved a rank where they are scared shytless of doing something like that again in today’s political climate.
Ahhh… memory lane, Mr. Fisher, I feel your sadness.
…even more-so where I have an early morning boating trip planned tomorrow so I scheduled no Friday Party for tonight… and, instead, sit alone listening to ten year-old popular bar tunes and stare at AutoCAD with absolutely no inspiration on how to arrange two springs in a place where there is really only room for one.
I hope this stream-of-conscious rambling made sense… not even going to read it back.
10:58 am on June 3rd, 2011 16
Sniff and wipe a tear for ole 45th Trans group and the fun we had in the 80s. Repeated it with C co. 52nd aviation (45th trans) in the 90s. A co 3/501 — not so much. By 2003, it was over. 2005 I retired.
I get so time, I might go back for a week — just to make sure it’s gone for good.
But I have hope for further change. Increased conflict or unification. The only thing for sure is change.
1:22 pm on June 3rd, 2011 17
Jeff Fisher,
About your post #12, I served at Camp Pelham about 8 miles south of the DMZ in 1983. Recently I became interested in using online resources to track the changes in the adjacent ville of Seonyu-ri which was like a rustic little farm town containing one main strip.
Man..what a shock it is for me to see images of that ville from 2008. It has been swallowed up by development and now looks like sprawling suburbia rather then the town I once knew.
5:43 pm on June 3rd, 2011 18
Just listen to yourselves…The early 80′s, a time when South Korea was a third-world nation ruled by a dictatorship, was “the good old days” because you could buy a whore for 20$? Sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s pathetic. Retired GI is the only one of who old-timers who seems to recognize that progress is a good thing. Living in Korea has never been as good as it is now.
6:18 pm on June 3rd, 2011 19
Teadrinker
I had no interest in the clubs or prostitution nor are my feelings of nostalgia driven by any such memories.
6:28 pm on June 3rd, 2011 20
Let me be clear, the 80′s were really good days in Korea — for the Soldiers sent there for a year.
Change comes. Be it good or bad, it comes.
Cheap pogi is always a good thing! There will always be the third world. Thanks to America and those soldiers that enjoyed cheap Korean pogi, Korea is nolonger a part of that third world. I would me happy for the Koreans, but they seem to be so arrogant now that I wish we would just leave and let them survive on their own.
After all, we left the Philippines when they asked us to go. I can only assume that the ROK gov is more intelligent than the Flips were.
In any case, my understanding is that being a Soldier in Korea these days is no longer good duty “best kept secret in the army” as it was in my first and second tour.
I don’t see Korea as a good place to retire anylonger. I thought about it as a younger Troop. These days, America is a better deal. But I’m not an active duty Soldier anylonger nor an English Teacher.
6:46 pm on June 3rd, 2011 21
Retired GI,
Thanks for your post. I’m not enlisted or in Korea but I’m following all this from a distance online. I had been wondering how it is for GIs there now and you posts give me a pretty good idea along with ChickenHead’s.
What I enjoyed most was getting away from the compound (Camp Pelham)buy some art and furniture, eat in a non GI restaurant and occasionally go to one of the Ville clubs. The sort of low prices I enjoyed were not so much for “pogi” (I haven’t heard that term in like almost 30 years) but more like..well..the cost of a Taxi from Seoul to Seounju-ri. I really liked a certain furniture maker’s shop in Seounju-ri and still have a great cabinet / box unit I bought there. I really wish I had been better and getting some photos from that experience! I also loved our predawn runs up to the Imjin River.
9:44 pm on June 3rd, 2011 22
I should be clear…
…there is still (relatively) cheap pogi in Korea.
A steam & cream girl is $65 to $100 depending on quality… and the treatment is goooood.
To my knowledge, they are not human trafficked but do it as an easy way to buy designer handbags and the latest smartphones while working few hours in a party atmosphere.
Like guys who marry whores at the juicy bar, some girls make poor and short-term life decisions, too.
The problem in the villes is the collusion between USFK leadership and Good Neighbor club owners.
Some of this, such as the end of barfines, is to reduce the visibility of prostitution. Other aspects, such as not actually doing anything to stop businesses that can only stay in business with a model based on obvious prostitution and human trafficking, has a more sinister aspect of USFK/Good Neighbor corruption.
With all the cheap pogi off-limits and actively patrolled and investigated by corrupt USFK leadership, GI Joe is funneled into clubs that still offer multi-hundred-dollar under-the-table pogi… which every newly-arrived E-2 is well aware of by his first payday Friday night.
Some of this cash makes its way directly or indirectly back through the main gate… especially to officers who stick around for a number of years with their connected Korean wives… and who somehow manage to wind up being in charge of club on-limits, contracting, supply, etc.
But the reality is, living in Korea for a smart GI is probably better now in terms of pogi.
It might be a little more work, but if two guys dress nicely, go far away from where foreigners hang out, find the right bar, display reserved and friendly manners, and don’t openly try to get under a girl’s skirt at the first meeting, the pogi is not just cheap… it is free.
The Good Old Days are here again, baby!
12:12 am on June 4th, 2011 23
That’s what I’ve never gotten (along with the clap…)
Why on earth would a guy have trouble getting laid in Korea? Why would you pay for it? Are the prostitutes that good? Is paying for it (vs the thrill of the hunt) that much better???
Granted, since I was last in Korea, there has been a big influx in ESLers, and I’m married now and not hunting, and I’m 10 years older, but I’ve been here about 2 years now, and I can’t imagine having to go out and pay for it even now.
I could be misguided, but if you can’t get laid in Korea without paying for it, you must not be trying much beyond the prostitutes…
12:13 am on June 4th, 2011 24
#21, thanks Chris. Never a problem to remember those days.
#22 ChickenHead, perhaps I’ll make that trip back to the land of the morning calm after all — after some deep planning of course.
12:14 am on June 4th, 2011 25
“two guys” — I found it was much easier going around alone….Being isolated I guess made the Korean women feel more secure in speaking English to a foreigner….or approaching one…(I guess since GIs are supposed to travel in pairs, though, they don’t have that option….)
12:22 am on June 4th, 2011 26
Chris Hiler, cmt17,21: I was at Pelham 78-79′. Bn re-up
2/17th Field Arty. Where did you find the pics of Seonyu-ri?
I would enjoy seeing them. You have to be the only guy in
Korea on an unaccompanied tour that was interested in art
and furniture. Did not go to where Pelham was on this past
trip last month but stopped at Casey. Talked to an ol’ timer that is now working for a contractor and he told me Seonyu-ri was like TDC. Out with the old ville, in with a new modern city. Caught the USO tour to the DMZ and was going to get off the bus on the return trip to Seoul. To my surprise it does not go up the what used to be the MSR. It goes up a new 4 lane highway that runs along the east coast, not past Munsan, does not go across
where the old bridge used to be to access the DMZ. If you
still have the source of the Seonyu-ri pics please let
me know, on ROK-Drop or jfisher1946@gmail.com
12:49 am on June 4th, 2011 27
Retired GI, thanks for your comments. They revived some
great memories of how things used to be. Forgot some of the
whacky antics. Those were the experiences of a life time
that other young guys that were not there could not ever imagine. Their memories of the past now are really mundane compared to ours. When I retired and stepped out of the
military culture and had associations with civilians, I was struck by their boring, spiritless demeanor. Got around some vets when I joined a motorcycle club and found I could have the time of my life “smoking and joking” all night. If you are ever in the DC area, look me
up! You are one hell of a guy in opinion.
What a difference!!
1:12 am on June 4th, 2011 28
Hey Jeff,
I sent you an e-mail and I must confess that I did have a couple encounters with girls in the Ville. I just never did that often. Some pleasures are enhanced by their rarity. Once I caught myself falling hard for one girl in a club I got pretty scared off because I didn’t want to mess with my objective of getting into college stateside. After all..that’s why I signed up. Her name was “Bunny” and she D.J.d in one of the clubs. She seemed a bit more like a hipster rocker then most. I really liked waking up the next day and kind of joining in the communal breakfast they all had. Not really eating with them but just some joking banter on my way out.
6:58 am on June 4th, 2011 29
Thanks Jeff, means alot. I know what you mean about the civilians. After my first three years of retirement, I was left wondering where I was last happy, that might still exist. I flew to the Philippines and Angeles city. Sadly, most of the Vet culture had gone underground to the VFW and didn’t venture out.
I drove from Memphis to Utah last month for an ole army buddy’s second wedding. On the way back I stopped for gas and sat a bit talking with a Biker about our different experiences. His were in the 70′s time frame. It was a welcome break. Then later at another stop, two other guys came over that were riding to cali to gather for a “ride for the wall” event to DC. They had a book for signatures, to give to the Mother of a Captain killed in Afghanistan. I signed of course. Nice to see that going on. Perhaps it is time to ride. I’ve been told I look the part for years. (not sure what that means) Perhaps I can find an old Harley with a good price tag, paint it flat black and be on my way.
8:25 pm on June 4th, 2011 30
man prostitutes probably have stds
6:20 am on June 5th, 2011 31
Retired GI,
I should add one condition to my Free Pogi advice.
Those over 30 need not apply.
Off to the steam & cream for you…
…although you will first have to go with a Korean customer they know… and not every steam & cream is comfortable with having a foreigner seen coming and going… and not every girl will agree to meeting a foreigner.
In the end, Korea is not really a good country for cheap sex tourism… unless you are Japanese.
But, if you live in Korea and are under 30, it is the best place to meet high-quality regular girls who are looking for a good time rather than looking for a meal ticket.
Retired GI, for the lifestyle you live, I say stick to SE Asia.
If you want love, go to the Philippines. If you want sex, go to Thailand. And if you want a cold and calculating wife with an iron will who will bring the family financial and educational success, go to Korea.
6:49 am on June 5th, 2011 32
A lot of y’all sound *really* gay…
What you call “realism”, other folks call misogyny…
Now that DADT has been repealed, you don’t need to hide behind a woman’s skirt any more…
7:00 am on June 5th, 2011 33
#31 I don’t know….I was 39 last year, and if I hadn’t been married…
It was the only thing that made my 2 weeks in a hospital in Chuncheon worthwhile — The nurses. One 20 year old in particular kept coming by, and it helped keep my mind off the pain…
I’m sure she was the exception in terms of age. And from my experience these past 2 years, if you are talking about the ability to get early 20s girls fairly easily – yeah, being in your late 30s is a problem.
But, I also worked with a guy a year younger than me who hit the clubs in Seoul every weekend and didn’t have trouble finding Korean girlfriends in the mid and late 20s. (He was a good looking guy.) He said Hongdae was a no-go for the mid-30s, but he had happy hunting in other parts of Seoul.
Outside of Seoul, I’m sure it is much easier – just like it was back when I was in my 20s…
1:01 pm on June 5th, 2011 34
I’m looking for a street address or intersection or club name..anything that I could use on Google earth to find GI areas of Seoul. Though I was in an area there in 1983 that was almost like a miniature Vegas strip I cant find it on google earth..but the only “landmark” I remember in that area is a club called Silver Waves. That place used to go friggen nuts on weekend nights.
3:53 pm on June 5th, 2011 35
#31 ChickenHead, I thought it was: “If you want love, get a Dog.”
Example: Put your wife in the trunk of one car. Put your Dog in the trunk of your other car.
Come back in 10 minutes and see which one is happy to see you.
4:05 pm on June 5th, 2011 36
#32
If your dog is barking at the back door and your american wife is yelling at the front door, who do you let in first?
Answer: The dog, of course. He’ll shut up once you let him in.
What is the difference between a battery and an American woman?
Answer: A battery has a positive side.
Why do american women fake orgasns?
Answer: Because they (you) think we care.
Why do men pass gas more than american women?
Because american women can’t shut up long enough to build up the required pressure.
6:05 pm on June 5th, 2011 37
CH, I can answer about Daegu. From what I’ve heard there used to be a “ville” outside the main gate at CP Henry at the street outside Gate 4 at CP Walker but it was never large and never many like what was near Osan / Cassey / Hump. Daegu is pretty fcking big people wize, about 3mil Koreans depending on the time of year. A couple big universities and lots of younger Korean girls who like to dress slutty because they think its cute. The base here is pretty small and its mostly married soldiers with family, the single folks gotta go out on the economy to party.
Which leads to the bad part, Daegu only has one “downtown” area and its packed on weekends. Dozens of bars, half a dozen clubs and tons of eating places all in about four and a half city blocks, most of the bars and clubs fit withing a single block (Rodeo Drive). All the college kids head to the same spot, and the GI’s go to where the party is, so you are virtually guaranteed to get lots of drunk soldiers mixing with lots of drunk college kids. Thankfully almost all the soldiers go the same club, The Frog. And while its the largest club its also the nosiest and you’ll be hard pressed to pickup and college pogi due to the noise and atmosphere. Nearby there are a few others that are mostly Koreans (and a bigger entrance fee), much easier and a better atmosphere. Just stay away from MK Club, its full of high-school students and is a giant jail-bait “situation” waiting to happen.
And if your really good and have some Korean buddies you can hit up BnB (newer) or Juliana (older) clubs, but those are where your gonna pay 400~500,000 won total for the evening for a VIP room. Pricey but tons of numbers of girls wanting a casual relationship.
6:31 pm on June 5th, 2011 38
Thanks for the info someotherguy!
Especially the hair raising caution about MK Club.
8:56 pm on June 5th, 2011 39
NP, it’s one of the nice things about Daegu, the complete lack of a ville / juicy culture. Most “juicy” bars here are Korean university girls that can speak broken English. And while “ladys” drinks are more expensive (10,000 won vs regular 5,000 won) its actual real alcohol in there and not juice. The girls aren’t “available” either, they’ll sit down and pour your drinks / make small chat but no bar-fining or “extra” services. Just a regular bar that caters to English speaking members.
And yeah was out with this chick one time and she wanted to goto MK, I walked in looked around and asked her whats up with the kids. We left 30min later and hit up some different spots. Plenty of college putang down here, absolutely no reason or need for “juicy” bars that provide “extra” services.
9:43 pm on June 5th, 2011 40
someotherguy,
“and lots of younger Korean girls who like to dress slutty because they think its cute. ”
…but… but… but… it IS cute!
Anyway, it sounds like there are no “Good Neighbors” in Daegu “looking out” for servicemembers.
Large groups of GIs at the Frog keep the potential trouble in one place… but it sounds like for a couple of smart 20ish guys who are willing to play No Pass Bar until they find one with the right mood, Daegu is easy pickin’s for university girls interested in “language exchange”.
I always hung with one other guy who had a good appearance and manners and went to normal bars. When we saw two attractive girls sitting together, I’d send over a pitcher of beer. When the waiter pointed to our table, they would always smile and give a small bow. A few times, that was the end of it… but 95% of the time, they would motion for us to come over after a few minutes of discussion.
It didn’t matter… as it is a buyers’ market. There are plenty of girls sitting in pairs and there are plenty of bars full of them.
Off the top of my head, some of the rules were:
1. NEVER push yourself on them in any way… from sitting at their table to going to a motel. Guide the situation to be conducive to your desired outcome… but let them make all the decisions.
2. NO physical contact in public. Don’t try to touch them. Don’t sit abnormally close. Etc. Be a gentleman in every action from being quick with handing them a needed tissue to opening doors… and be casual about that… don’t make a show as if your good manners are something special.
3. Have fun. Don’t try to be all cool or play the brooding poet routine. Just relax, smile a lot, keep the mood positive, demonstrate stupid bar tricks, and communicate just enough to show you have your shyt together but not enough to derail whatever fantasy they have created about you in their own mind.
4. Most of the time, there is little-to-no chance of taking them to a motel at the first meeting… unless she gets away from her friend which is NOT going to happen. Relax, exchange contact information, say goodbye with lots of bowing and smiling, go to the next round and do it all over again with a couple other girls.
Drinking with a chain of pretty girls might not be quite as good as hammering one… but it is still rewarding in its own way.
If you met on Friday night, you will be in touch on Saturday… then, it’s off to a 1-on-1 dinner and drinks… and more drinks… and, possibly a motel.
On some rare occasions, she might call you later that night on some pretense as soon as she ditched her friend… and you can hook back up. If she says she lost her key, got locked out, can’t wake up mom and dad, etc., it’s time to get a room.
5. Everything is about rationalization. She isn’t going to come to your apartment to funk… but she will come to see your photo album. She won’t go to a motel to funk… but she will because she is “too drunk to go home and needs to sleep”. Y’all get the idea. Have a handy list of rationalizations to suggest at every step. “Won’t your mom be angry if you come home staggering like this?”
There are lots and lots of more subtle aspects… but these are some of the ones that come to mind.
In the end, Korean girls were a pleasure compared to American girls where you almost always have to be a bit of an azzhole to score.
Regardless of what they say, American girls loathe overly-well mannered, considerate, kind, sincere guys… at least until their second marriage.
It sounds like Daegu is a dream come true for a smart GI who can break away from thinking like a young, dumb, and full of cuum GI.
9:59 pm on June 5th, 2011 41
Its the School girl look..especially if its patterned after Catholic School Girls..you know..white dress shirt and black tie and plaid skirt..that gets to me most. I have no idea why though.
10:03 pm on June 5th, 2011 42
ChickenHead
You post #40 has a lot of great info! I see what I was doing wrong when I was there.
10:05 pm on June 5th, 2011 43
“Regardless of what they say, American girls loathe overly-well mannered, considerate, kind, sincere guys… at least until their second marriage.”
This is big time true, I’ve ceased dating any western women that that even has a whiff of “womanly independence”. It’ll just become a giant headache later.
“It sounds like Daegu is a dream come true for a smart GI who can break away from thinking like a young, dumb, and full of cuum GI.”
Exactly, stay away from the big clubs and just hang out at the relaxed bars. Honestly the chance of getting a number from a club is almost zero, the women there are in groups and their defensive of everything around them. Its really just eye-candy. Now if you go there with a wingman and just hang out and do your thing, there is a good chance you’ll bump into some chicks outside smoking or just relaxing (my favorite place has an entire floor at the top devoted to tables and chill out music).
Daegu really is a good place, but the language barrier is pretty big. You have to learn some conversational Korean, and be ready to speak lots of banmal.
4:30 am on June 6th, 2011 44
#41, I don’t know why either, but I love that combo. Don’t forget the white socks!
4:32 am on June 6th, 2011 45
#40 “but—but—but it IS cute” You’re right ChickenHead. It is cute.
5:41 am on June 6th, 2011 46
@34 – Chris I recommend checking out this posting if you haven’t already:
http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/13/a-profile-of-usfk-camps-in-seoul/
8:10 am on June 6th, 2011 47
#29 – Memphis? I might come by Memphis in a little while.
10:47 am on June 6th, 2011 48
#47 Kangaji, not much to see in Memphis these days. What is your heading? Watch your Speed if going thru Arkansas. Saw more speed traps in Arkansas than I did Police in Utah and Arizona combined. But then again, I didn’t see any in those states. They don’t need Police, gun laws are very friendly to those that carry.
12:11 pm on June 6th, 2011 49
Retired GI,
Yup..and shiny black little patent leather shoes…oh don’t get me started!