By This is pretty predictable especially with South Korean elections coming up next year that the government would have to at least make it appear it is looking at the SOFA issue:
South Korean government officials will meet in late November to determine whether to ask the United States to revise the status of forces agreement, in the midst of public anger over two separate sex crimes involving U.S. Army suspects.
The SOFA Joint Committee will review the wide-ranging bilateral agreement that sets ground rules for custody and prosecution of Defense Department personnel and their families, a Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade official close to the proceedings told Stars and Stripes on condition of anonymity Wednesday.
“People say SOFA has lots of problems, and policemen do so as well,” the official said. “Also, the media is raising a question about it, but it sometimes exaggerates or reports things groundlessly. So we will check whether the revisions on SOFA are necessary or not, like the media is saying.
“We will open up to possible revisions, and check from various angles in terms of internal examination, what difficulties police or prosecutors are experiencing.”
The committee meeting will include the Korean foreign ministry, the justice ministry, the national police and other government representatives, officials said.
U.S. Forces Korea officials were unavailable for comment Wednesday.
The reassessment of the agreement was precipitated by the indictment of a Camp Casey private first class, who South Korean police say entered the dormitory-style hotel room of an 18-year-old woman in Dongducheon and raped her on Sept. 24. [Stars & Stripes]
And that Private First Class is sitting in a Korean jail right now because the police requested his transfer and USFK handed him over. So this goes back to what I said before can anyone name one case where a USFK servicemember that committed a crime off duty was not handed over to Korean authorities once requested?
Here is something else interesting in the article:
Whether U.S. servicemembers are committing more crimes in South Korea is still somewhat unclear, though there are police figures that suggest at least a short-term increase.
Sexual assault and rape charges were down during the first six months of 2011, with two charges filed, according to Korean National Police figures obtained by Stars and Stripes on Wednesday. There were 11 sex crime charges in 2010 and five in 2009, according to the figures.
However, there have been 89 charges of assault and other crimes placed under the category of “violence” by police during the first six months of 2011. The pace exceeds the 154 violence charges last year, which itself was an increase from 100 charges in 2008.
Figures for actual convictions were unavailable Wednesday. However, when prosecutors elect to pursue police charges in court, it is exceedingly rare under the South Korean system of justice for a defendant to be found not guilty.
Using servicemembers charged with crimes instead of convictions is the slight of hand along with traffic violations that are used to inflate GI crime statistics. Take for example the claim that there was 11 people charged with sex crimes last year. If you look at the USFK criminal prosecution results from last year there was two people involved in sex crimes, one was for a lewd act with a minor and the other was a lewd act with a media device. There were no rapes or sexual assault convictions last year. So people charged with sex crimes could have been like the Osan airman who was falsely accused of rape, but it later came out the allegation was false. The real story here the S&S should be pursuing and maybe they are, is what were the sex crimes the 11 servicemembers were charged with and why were the vast majority of them not prosecuted?
She hasn’t seen...
4:56 am on October 12th, 2011 1
The rate of crimes by US soldiers are much more than what the official figures suggests because of SOFA. Korean police cannot investigate the crimes without the permission from the US military. Therefore many, if not most, of the cases are dropped because of lack of evidence. It’s hard to gather evidence when the prime suspects are under hospices of the US military. Only if and when the Korean media gets involved, will the USFK do anything because they’re scared of the Korean media.
6:17 am on October 12th, 2011 2
Again, Tom makes statements counter to fact.
6:54 am on October 12th, 2011 3
So! Lets go already. Kick me out of this country. I am tired of the nonsense. Yes, we have behaved badly this last couple of weeks. You dont like it? Kick US to the curb. Now! I am on my third tour here. Would have rather done another tour in the stan or Iraq. At least there I know what I am doing and why. Why dont we escalate this higher and instead of doing alot of talking and take some action. /places bags by the door
7:15 am on October 12th, 2011 4
The truth is out there … on the internet.
FBI figures show a decrease of 35% for the USA over the 20 year period 1991-2010.
Statistics Korea figures show an increase of 217% for the ROK over the 21 year period 1989-2009.
The FBI has published data online for the USA for the years 1991-2010. Rape figures for the USA went from 106,593 in 1991 to 84,767 in 2010 (27.5 per 100 000).
Statistics Korea has published data online for the ROK for the years 1989-2009. Rape figures for the ROK went from 5102 in 1989 to 16,156 in 2009 (33.1 per 100 000).
7:40 am on October 12th, 2011 5
For the past two days I’ve read first hand what some of GIs and retired GIs views are about South Korea.
It is for a fact that their views are no different from those of 30 years ago. They are pretty much condescending and very US centric in their point of view. No regards for anything foreign. I don’t blame’em. They’re brainwashed to the bone.
America First.
Anyway, thanks to the post. I’ve made up my mind that Americans should leave this country. Even though that I am against Roh Moo Hyun followers. Them and I have one thing in common from now: American Army is of no use whatsoever.
They will continue to cause problem for us.
Not only will they rape and steal but they ARE the cause in dividing Korean Peninsula.
South Korea should deal directly with the Chinese and become go under their sphere of influence. Negotiate peace with North Korea.
Have Americans out immediately.
That way we would not have any more problems.
Thanks to you all, you’ve made one more Anti-American to the bone.
Geseki Deul A
7:46 am on October 12th, 2011 6
From now on if any GI ever commits a crime, I will be for immediate castration of that S-hole.
9:29 am on October 12th, 2011 7
Well, I can claim with a very good level of certainty that I was the first to point out (several years ago in a different blog) the now commonly known fact, at least by foreign residents, that even with slight increases, foreign residents are still twice as less likely to commit crimes in Korea than Korean citizens. I came up with these numbers by consulting the government’s own statistics on crime as a response to a particularly xenophobic piece which appeared in one of the local English papers. Upon being confronted with the fact, the reporter was unapologetic, which left very little doubt about his motives.
The fact foreigners are less likely to commit crime in South Korea should surprise no one. Logic dictates that foreigners are less likely to commit crimes than the rest of the population because they are screened by Immigration, which seeks to prevent criminals from entering the country. And since the government can kick out the local riff-raff, you end up with a much higher crime rate amongst Korean citizens than foreign residents.
9:34 am on October 12th, 2011 8
Correction, the government can’t kick out the local riff-raff. Blame the UN for that if you will, something about everyone having the right to citizenship in a country.
9:44 am on October 12th, 2011 9
I doubt crime rate per 100,000 foreigners would remain the same if 48 million of them immigrated to Korea.
10:20 am on October 12th, 2011 10
“Yes, we have behaved badly this last couple of weeks. ”
It’s a start to rehabilitation by admitting that you do have a problem.
4:12 pm on October 12th, 2011 11
Homeboy seems to be another one of those wanting to be a Korean’s Korean with perfect English. I’ve yet to meet a Korean’s Korean who has that level of fluency – especially when doing something like commenting off the cuff on a blog. And his point of view is far from that of an average Korean.
4:26 pm on October 12th, 2011 12
USINKOREA, why don’t you address the points, instead of always mounting personal attacks against those you don’t agree with? So you have a problem with his opinion? Why attack his ethnic background when you don’t even know the person and never met the person?
4:43 pm on October 12th, 2011 13
It wasn’t a personal attack, and it does address part of the issue, and I’ve addressed the issues already. Just because it causes damage to the argument – and mirrors your own situation – does not mean it is ad hominem personal attack.
A Korean-Korean speaking out about matters concerning issues in Korean society is different than a Korean from abroad coming in and trying to speak for them. That is simple.
If this were 2002, and the average Korean were ranting and calling for GIs to get out, it would be something. Hearing it from someone who hasn’t spent much time on these issues to know basic facts is something else.
It’s not a problem of agreement. It’s a problem of information, reasoning, and representation.
But, I’ll leave off on Homeboy from now. He’s written enough to give a good idea where he’s coming from.
4:59 pm on October 12th, 2011 14
5: A part of me would really love to see you go under the loving hegemony of China. “You’re protesting because a Chinese Soldier raped a Korean girl? BAM!! Okay, who else wants to protest?”
!
5:12 pm on October 12th, 2011 15
For example, people who have been here awhile know that one of the reasons the average Korean-Korean isn’t running in the streets like in 2002 over these GI rapes or light sentences for rapes is – they know from having lived in Korea their whole lives that the society has done little with sex crimes and light sentences or no punishment has been the norm…regardless of where the rapist is from…
5:27 pm on October 12th, 2011 16
“I doubt crime rate per 100,000 foreigners would remain the same if 48 million of them immigrated to Korea.”
Red herring. There are over one million foreigners living in South Korea, and yet the crime rates are incredibly low, even by local standards (which is pretty low). Fact is, immigrants in most countries are less likely to commit crimes since they are screened by Immigration before being given a visa. Whether it’s one million or 48 million, it doesn’t matter since the system screens them.
5:29 pm on October 12th, 2011 17
#15,
There’s that movie just out now which has many starting to voice their anger about how such crimes are dealt with.
5:44 pm on October 12th, 2011 18
I’m a full blooded South Korean born native who happens to be far better educated than ya’ll are… rest my case.
5:49 pm on October 12th, 2011 19
And by the way, I was discharged as Sergeant from the South Korean Army and have worked with Americans while I was serving in the ROK Army. (not a KATUSA)
It really behooves me to mention that you are so disappointing as group of people.
If I could take out your brains and upgrade’em to pentium level I would do so immediately.
6:35 pm on October 12th, 2011 20
18/19: I have never seen a real Korean refer to themselves as “South Korean”. That came out a little to natural there. It would be best to work on your fraud a little better and get a new screen name.
6:38 pm on October 12th, 2011 21
Being born in Korea doesn’t mean you’ve spend most of your life there. (Just ask Tom.)
And 2 facts suggest you haven’t done that: 1 Your mastery of English. 2. The fact you didn’t know how sex crimes are generally handled in Korean society.
I doubt you are better educated than most of the people who comment here regularly, and you surely haven’t shown it, and you can say “rest my case” as many times as you like without accomplishing anything.
6:39 pm on October 12th, 2011 22
17 I heard about that. The fact they just passed a law that blocks convicted sex offenders from teaching says a lot about what things have been like for too long a time…
6:39 pm on October 12th, 2011 23
Reassess. Then tell the Americans to go home, like the Philippines did. They are doing just fine.
6:42 pm on October 12th, 2011 24
Homeboy driveled:
But you flunked the course on trolling…go figure!
6:56 pm on October 12th, 2011 25
18/19 Homeboy, you make so little sense — since ya’ll are so well edumacated
.
There is nothing wrong with being a Katusa, since it is the only way you would have had much contact with the GI’s while serving. As for the rank of Sergeant, as a Katusa the rank is automatic if you stay out of trouble.
I think you must be a KATUSA. Sadly, you are ashamed of this.
I find you to be — interesting, almost as much as you find little ole us, apparently. You seem to be quite taken with us. As you should be!
I have a quote for ya: Education without intellect is a waste.
7:04 pm on October 12th, 2011 26
Homeboy, you’re just plain silly. EVERYONE who serves their mandatory time in the ROK military is discharged as a sergeant (병장 Byeongjang ) E-5. The promotions are automatic. It just means you didn’t get in trouble.
NOTE: ROK corporal and sergeants are not considered NCO’s (equivalent to US or NATO NCO’s) unless they specifically hold a leadership position. NCO rank doesn’t start until e-6 Ha-sa (Staff Sergeant) which is a careerist.
American soldiers must earn their ranks, or females in the military (preferably minority, pregnant, single and with poor English skills).
7:25 pm on October 12th, 2011 27
“1 Your mastery of English.”
This is just one more example of how silly USINKOREA is, guessing wildly and conjecturing wild guesses on people’s background strictly on what they write.
Of course, you’re going to see a number of native Koreans who are fairly proficient at English unlike the majority of native Koreans.. well.. because this is an English language site, and you’re going to attract the most unusual of the unusual. Your own logic fails you when you automatically just presume that there are no native Koreans who are good enough in English to carry out a conversation with total strangers on the internet. You should catch up with the times, there are far more of us then you really think there are.
7:43 pm on October 12th, 2011 28
FBI statistics (35% fall 1991-2010) show a different story. If 48 million were to emigrate from the USA to the ROK, rape figures would decline.
If the 48 million were all GIs, the rape figures would decline even more precipitously.
OTOH, the data from Statistics Korea (217% increase 1989-2009) indicate that rape figures for the USA would increase if 48 million ROK citizens were to emigrate to the USA.
8:06 pm on October 12th, 2011 29
okay okay… ya’ll are jealous of me cause I’m Korean native but I have a superb command of English language…
** I was NOT sissy KATUSA who sacked in with the Americans…I was regular ROK Army soldier… so what if I got promoted automatically, I was smarter, worked better, harder, shot my assault rifles better than any American boys… or girls
8:11 pm on October 12th, 2011 30
[...] Korea, meanwhile, discusses the Korean government’s possible reassessment of the SOFA treaty. [...]
8:13 pm on October 12th, 2011 31
27 – We pegged you pretty much down to a T back when you started here as the original Homeboy.
I’ve actually been in the English education game in Korea going back to 1996, and I’ve met a fair number of Korean-Korean graduate students studying in the US, and I’ve never seen a Korean-Korean with native fluency who did not spend several years living in a foreign country – usually beginning in grade school.
I am not saying it isn’t possible, but I highly doubt Homeboy is not like those others. My guess is that he is like you in background – or – a small possibility he is a non-Korean jerking our chains — which has happened before — which is why it is pertinent.
The fact he’s now using “ya’ll” pushes the chance of that up…
8:23 pm on October 12th, 2011 32
Tom:
You’ve got a company in me from now on… stay eye ball to eye ball with these guys… I’ll back you up… You are perhaps most reasonable, worldly writer on this bulletin. I don’t care if you are green, brown, yellow. For all I care is how good you are as a person. And I think you are better than anybody on this bulletin… Let’s enlighten these men or women who are full of hatred of all things Korean.
Homeboy ^^
8:34 pm on October 12th, 2011 33
Ok ya’ll. I’ll admit to being Homeboy. You caught me. I’ll still post for entertainment value though.
8:52 pm on October 12th, 2011 34
#28
I’m not talking about just rape. I’m considering all major form of crimes that require punishment of incarceration or worse. The rate of incarceration in the US is nearly 800 people per 100,000 people. The rate of incarceration in Korea is around 100 per 100,000 people.
8:56 pm on October 12th, 2011 35
33 Do we really need pretend trolls?
It’s not that entertaining to readers, I believe, unless it is stated up front as satirical.
9:06 pm on October 12th, 2011 36
Some of these people have really amazingly strange data that they come up with.. don’t make it up boyz…
9:12 pm on October 12th, 2011 37
USINKOREA once again has deleted my post for no apparent reason.
9:15 pm on October 12th, 2011 38
31: You are a quintessential white expat in Korea who trashes the hands that feed you. You make living off the people in Korea who’d greeted you with open arms and big smiles and all you do is put a heap of shit onto these people. Shame on you boy !
Your comments are really boring and full of lofty, gratuitous and pompous exose on your intellect.
Well said…
9:21 pm on October 12th, 2011 39
My worst fear is coming true…
there will be candle light protests in the Seoul streets.
The pinkos are going to have field day with this… especially before the all important seoul city mayoral election.
thanks to some punks who are supposed to be defending korea….
hey a-holes in the stateside… your boyz are screwing things up out here… take ‘em all home..
leave the nuclear missiles thank you…
9:33 pm on October 12th, 2011 40
Heay isay upidstay.
9:43 pm on October 12th, 2011 41
I think that’s “ehay”…
10:03 pm on October 12th, 2011 42
41. That must be a different dialect of pig latin.
39. There are no US nukes in Korea.
10:12 pm on October 12th, 2011 43
“Your own logic fails you when you automatically just presume that there are no native Koreans who are good enough in English to carry out a conversation with total strangers on the internet.”
내가 장담하는데 아빠나 엄마가 영어원어민인 경우를 빼고는 유학 안간 한국사람들 중에 영어 잘하는 사람 한명도 못봤음.
한국 안오고 한국 말 잘하는 외국인들 보셨소? 당신은 한국말 하셈? ㅋㅋㅋ
10:52 pm on October 12th, 2011 44
앗.. K님, 한국분이셨네요… ㅋ 뭐 글치요 안글겠시요… 여기 글 쓰시는 외국인분들 참 재미 있네요… 저기 톰이라는 분 한국 분일 까요? ㅋㅋ
11:03 pm on October 12th, 2011 45
Murder? That would be true.
But the thread is about revising SOFA, due to recent accusations of rape by GIs.
Statistics Korea’s own data shows that you are more likely to be raped in the ROK than the USA.
Handing GIs over to the Korean justice system means a slap on the wrist. US Military justice means do the crime, do the time.
11:03 pm on October 12th, 2011 46
#42, please sell us some nukes and you can go home at any time, thank you sir..maasta..
11:07 pm on October 12th, 2011 47
#45, with all do respect, if the U.S. military justice system so superior to that of South Korean criminal code, then why doesn’t USFK mention it? and PR to the Korean folks…?
Koreans are general fearful that the U.S. military will watch for their own… wouldn’t you?
I’ve seen cases where a criminal offense committed in Iraq got acquitted even though there was compelling evindence to support the prosecution.
?? Why can’t we trust you?
11:13 pm on October 12th, 2011 48
US military justice means being always faithful to the terms of SOFA.
As GI Korea noted in the thread header: “And that Private First Class is sitting in a Korean jail right now because the police requested his transfer and USFK handed him over. So this goes back to what I said before can anyone name one case where a USFK servicemember that committed a crime off duty was not handed over to Korean authorities once requested?”
Semper fi!
11:21 pm on October 12th, 2011 49
“앗.. K님, 한국분이셨네요… ㅋ 뭐 글치요 안글겠시요… 여기 글 쓰시는 외국인분들 참 재미 있네요… 저기 톰이라는 분 한국 분일 까요? ㅋㅋ”
개인적으로 한국인이 아니었으면 좋겠다는 생각이 많이 드는데요. 한국어 쓰는 적도 한번도 못봤으니 진짜 그럴수도 ㅋㅋㅋ 아니면 걍 못배운 사람임 ㅋㅋ
“Murder? That would be true.
But the thread is about revising SOFA, due to recent accusations of rape by GIs.”
My post was in response to TeaDrinker’s suggestion that native Koreans are generally less behaved than foreigners in Korea, but with invalid statistics. Such figures will be comparable if there were equal numbers of Koreans and foreigners in the country, but that has not happened.
“Statistics Korea’s own data shows that you are more likely to be raped in the ROK than the USA.
Handing GIs over to the Korean justice system means a slap on the wrist. US Military justice means do the crime, do the time.”
Please bring me the source to KoStat’s recent statistics on Korea’s rape rate. I could not find it.
11:31 pm on October 12th, 2011 50
http://www.hrw.org/news/2008/12/18/us-soaring-rates-rape-and-violence-against-women
“The National Crime Victimization Survey, based on projections from a national sample survey, says that at least 248,300 individuals were raped or sexually assaulted in 2007, up from 190,600 in 2005, the last year the survey was conducted. The study surveyed 73,600 individuals in 41,500 households. Among all violent crimes, domestic violence, rape, and sexual assault showed the largest increases. Except for simple assault, which increased by 3 percent, the incidence of every other crime surveyed decreased.”
There were 83 unique victims of rape or sexual assault in the US in 2007 per 100,000 person. I could not find more recent consolidated information on rape and sexual assault. Perhaps you can bring here one yourself. And I’m waiting for your statistics for Korea.
11:36 pm on October 12th, 2011 51
47. “I’ve seen cases where a criminal offense committed in Iraq got acquitted even though there was compelling evindence to support the prosecution”
And you know this, how? Were you physically in the court room?
There appeared to be compelling evidence against Casey Anthony too.
Fair judgement should be made with facts and facts alone – leave the emotions at home. Korean media slants & agendas misguide the Korea public, thus stoking their anger. BTW, my Korean wife believes the fan will kill us if we don’t open the door or window. Wonder where that misinformation came from?
11:36 pm on October 12th, 2011 52
Stats for Korea would have to take into account the fact rape often goes unreported there. And if you were a victim of it, why would you put yourself through the scrutiny of your neighbors and the ordeal of a trial if the guy is going to get only 1 or 2 years in prison if that?
11:40 pm on October 12th, 2011 53
homeboy writes:
“I’m a full blooded South Korean born native who happens to be far better educated than ya’ll are…”
and damn humble too….
12:02 am on October 13th, 2011 54
Good bye gentlemen…
Choong Sung !! (충성 meaning loyalty) ^^
ps… let Koreans have the nukes and we’ll behave like you want us to…ㅎㅎ
12:24 am on October 13th, 2011 55
“Stats for Korea would have to take into account the fact rape often goes unreported there. And if you were a victim of it, why would you put yourself through the scrutiny of your neighbors and the ordeal of a trial if the guy is going to get only 1 or 2 years in prison if that?”
Many rape incidents often go unaccounted for in the United States too and their real prevalence is impossible to perfectly verify. But maybe we can also take into account the fact that Korean women with their great attention to beauty and diet often succeed in becoming far more attractive than American women which make men squirm desperately for sex, while being less considerate to their desires… put equal number of American ajosshis in Korea as Korean ajosshis and let’s see how the rape rate of those sexy, unwilling Korean chicks ripe for domination soar.
#54
바이 바이.
12:25 am on October 13th, 2011 56
By the way, may be following might give you all Korean haters some solace:
Some Koreans (are)
1. very Rude
2. self centered
3. never say sorry / excuse me
4. rape / molest kids
5. beat up on their girl friends / wives
6. money grubbers
7. cowards
8. double talking two timers
9. hateful
10. stupid
But, I like ‘em in general not because I’m Korean but because they are some of the most warm hearted, hot-blooded, and talented people I’d ever seen. And they are hard drinkers… cheers…
1:20 am on October 13th, 2011 57
#56
i can agree with your post not just for koreans but for all groups, races, or ethnicities of people. there is bound to be social tension when u.s. gi’s are sent into korea. some on both sides are intolerant of the other’s culture. some of us can transcend the differences and truly be good neighbors (not in the usfk rhetoric sense of the word, but honest to goodness polite, and generous, caring individuals). i am coming up on my final days in korea and have enjoyed the vast majority of my stay here. some koreans have been rude to me and my family, but then again, so have some americans. there is great danger in letting stereotypes dictate how you behave towards another person before you have even spoken one word to each other.
1:28 am on October 13th, 2011 58
Just the usual nationalistic dog and pony show. Many politicians will stand up and make prideful speech’s about the evil SOFA to rile up the Korean population. Then they’ll go to their favorite private anma and let off the day’s stress.
2:17 am on October 13th, 2011 59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqJE1xgpbLM
Just watch, may ease the tension.
6:29 am on October 13th, 2011 60
#43,
Well, I speak Korean well enough to say that you write Korean as if it isn’t your first language. How’s that for an answer?
6:36 am on October 13th, 2011 61
“Well, I speak Korean well enough to say that you write Korean as if it isn’t your first language. How’s that for an answer?”
그러세욤 ㅎ 맘대로 하세요. ^^
6:37 am on October 13th, 2011 62
“My post was in response to TeaDrinker’s suggestion that native Koreans are generally less behaved than foreigners in Korea, but with invalid statistics. Such figures will be comparable if there were equal numbers of Koreans and foreigners in the country, but that has not happened.”
No, the statistics are correct. Look it up yourself.
Besides, you’re essentially suggesting that there are fewer crimes committed by foreigners here because the foreigners who are here only prey on their own kind (and since foreigners are harder to come by, the foreign criminals are not as active as the local ones)…That doesn’t make much sense, does it?
6:39 am on October 13th, 2011 63
#50,
How about the stats for Canada? The murder rates in South Korea and Canada are about the same…and we have guns in Canada. So, that pretty much throws a wrench in whatever you’re alluding to.
6:50 am on October 13th, 2011 64
“No, the statistics are correct. Look it up yourself.
Besides, you’re essentially suggesting that there are fewer crimes committed by foreigners here because the foreigners who are here only prey on their own kind (and since foreigners are harder to come by, the foreign criminals are not as active as the local ones)…That doesn’t make much sense, does it?”
Your assumption about my suggestion is wrong. You simply don’t understand enough about population statistics to detect what’s wrong with putting two foreigners and ninty-eight Koreans in the same room to see which group is more likely to start trying to do harm on another person.
“How about the stats for Canada? The murder rates in South Korea and Canada are about the same…and we have guns in Canada. So, that pretty much throws a wrench in whatever you’re alluding to.”
LOL. Here he goes again. Korea sucks compared to Canada! Koreans kill plenty of people even without guns! Woohoo!
6:50 am on October 13th, 2011 65
#61,
저도 구글 번역 사용할 수 있습니다.
6:55 am on October 13th, 2011 66
“You simply don’t understand enough about population statistics to detect what’s wrong with putting two foreigners and ninty-eight Koreans in the same room to see which group is more likely to start trying to do harm on another person.”
2% of the population is over one million people. It’s not a statistically insignificant number.
“LOL. Here he goes again. Korea sucks compared to Canada! Koreans kill plenty of people even without guns! Woohoo!”
Do I remind you that you’re the one who brought up the US (“The US sucks compared to South Korea. Woohoo!!”). It’s a simple way to burst your bubble. Fact is, crime rates in the US are falling. Sure, there are places in the US where I would never live (and there are fewer such places in South Korea and Canada) but it isn’t the hell-hole that you were trying to suggest it is.
7:10 am on October 13th, 2011 67
#61,
It’s not “그러세욤”, but “그러세요”, by the way.
7:13 am on October 13th, 2011 68
Korea Sparkling!!!
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/117_96613.html
7:14 am on October 13th, 2011 69
“저도 구글 번역 사용할 수 있습니다.”
전 구글 번역 사용할 필요 없어요 ㅎ
“2% of the population is over one million people. It’s not a statistically insignificant number.”
As expected, you cannot see the root of the problem. Further explanation from my part will be ineffective.
“Do I remind you that you’re the one who brought up the US (“The US sucks compared to South Korea. Woohoo!!”). It’s a simple way to burst your bubble. Fact is, crime rates in the US are falling. Sure, there are places in the US where I would never live (and there are fewer such places in South Korea and Canada) but it isn’t the hell-hole that you were trying to suggest it is.”
I do not believe the US is a hell hole. The US may have some problem controlling people who require incarceration compared to Korea but that’s far from being a serious issue and it has plenty of good sides to living in the country.
I generally respect the United States in all the meanings that it holds for me. It may not be as best a country in the world as Canada surely is but there are a lot many worse countries out there that elevate the United States’ comparative status as a ‘good place to live in’ to a high standard.
On the other hand I have problem with your appalling lack of understanding of population statistics. Though I guess I’d just better try hard not to show that I care about it anymore.
7:16 am on October 13th, 2011 70
“It’s not “그러세욤”, but “그러세요”, by the way.”
Jesus funking tap-dancing christ stop trying to stay relevant in the league of educated Korean speakers
7:22 am on October 13th, 2011 71
Teadrinker wrote:
That’s kind of like telling an American kid texting a friend, “You don’t spell it ‘cya.’ It’s supposed to be spelled ‘see you.’”
7:26 am on October 13th, 2011 72
I didn’t want to butt in but…correct korean is not used in the medium of internet these days especially young kids use suc expression as ‘K’ did… He is or she is well versed in Korean language… Don’t know fir sure if this person is racially authentic Korean though… Teadrinker’s Korean expression is standard correct version…
9:23 am on October 13th, 2011 73
2010 한국의 사회지표(보도자료).pdf
Page 23
Ⅳ. 발전의 이면
(1) 범죄 발생
9:53 am on October 13th, 2011 74
Thanks for the source. Unfortunately it’s impossible to determine from your paper up to what forms of sexual assault the ‘rape’ figure covers. Your figure of 90,000-something for the US sharply rises to nearly 250,000 when ‘sexual assault’ aside from just rape is accounted for.
10:22 am on October 13th, 2011 75
Another military hooligan. Good thing the SOFA didn’t protect him from justice.
6:52 pm on October 13th, 2011 76
#69,
“As expected, you cannot see the root of the problem. Further explanation from my part will be ineffective”
I see the root of the problem, and it’s cognitive dissonance on your part.
#70,
Write that in Korean and I’ll be impressed.
#71,
When used at the right moment, pedantry has its purpose.
7:27 pm on October 13th, 2011 77
Teadrinker: 1 download nateon. 2 Go to korean chatrooms. 3 Reevaluate position on k.
8:29 pm on October 13th, 2011 78
We could dispute whether 강간 means 주요범죄 or not until reunification on the Korean Peninsula.
It still doesn’t explain the fact that the rate for the ROK has increased 217% since 1989, it has fallen 35% for the USA since 1990.
Rates of sexual assault in the ROK are increasing. Why? Because of the presence of US troops?
Since 1990, about 20 000 US troops have left Korea, basically halving the number of US troops on your soil.
8:39 pm on October 13th, 2011 79
“I see the root of the problem, and it’s cognitive dissonance on your part. ”
보긴 뭘봐여 ㅋㅋㅋ 입에 거품 나세요 거울보고 씻어야지 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ ^^
“Write that in Korean and I’ll be impressed.”
써봤자 이해 못할거 같은데염… ㅡ.ㅡㅋㅋ
“When used at the right moment, pedantry has its purpose.”
네에 근데 당신이 한 말이 웃긴거 말고는 뭘 해냈다고 생각하세요? ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아 원래 사람들 웃겨줄려고 하신 말이었남? ㅋㅋ
8:45 pm on October 13th, 2011 80
“We could dispute whether 강간 means 주요범죄 or not until reunification on the Korean Peninsula.
It still doesn’t explain the fact that the rate for the ROK has increased 217% since 1989, it has fallen 35% for the USA since 1990.
Rates of sexual assault in the ROK are increasing. Why? Because of the presence of US troops?
Since 1990, about 20 000 US troops have left Korea, basically halving the number of US troops on your soil.”
You are not getting my point. You gave a deflated figure of 90,000 for the United States’ sexual assault rate but it’s actually 250,000 if you categorize ‘rape’ as something that involves more than just forced sexual intercourse. It’s important to know what range of forced sexual activities your figure of 16,156 for Korea covers.
9:11 pm on October 13th, 2011 81
You’re not getting the point of GI Korea’s thread header question.
What is the correlation between USFK numbers and rates of sexual assault in the ROK?
USFK troops (1990) x 0.5 = Increase in sexual assaults in the ROK?
Interesting hypothesis.
Then the corollary is:
USFK troops (2011) x 2 = Decrease in sexual assaults in the ROK?
You are arguing for an increase in USFK numbers?
If not, then you must concede that the increase in sexual assaults in the ROK (and other forms of illegal sexual acts in the ROK such as the high incidence of female (and male) prostitution) have almost nothing to do with USFK.
The increase in sexual assaults in the ROK has even less to do with the SOFA between the ROK and the USA.
9:29 pm on October 13th, 2011 82
“You’re not getting the point of GI Korea’s thread header question.”
I’m not concerning myself with the point of GI Korea’s thread header question.
I’m not promoting the theory that the gradual increase in the sexual assault cases in Korea is related to the presence of USFK. There are a lot better explanations for that phenomenon such as Korean women simply becoming more economically privileged, high maintenance, and less willing to find partner to make babies which make it harder for men to mate with them. Such demographic problems are not as profound in the United States, though for a sexually open country the rape figure is still pretty high.
I’m interested in what qualifies as ‘rape’ in Korea and in the United States respectively to account for the statistical discrepancies between 90,000 and 250,000 from various sources of rape and sexual assault rates in the United States. Maybe you can just explain that to me and we don’t have to bring this discussion to where it doesn’t need to be brought.
9:35 pm on October 13th, 2011 83
And as I’ve said, the main reason why I started posting in this thread is to express my disdain at TeaDrinker’s lack understanding of population statistics (basically Koreans are unruly mofos! Foreigner ftw!). Well I said it, I’ll try not to show such expression of emotional disturbances anymore. But really, his continuously evolving array of intellectual defects… damn.
10:05 pm on October 13th, 2011 84
“There are a lot better explanations for that phenomenon such as Korean women simply becoming more economically privileged, high maintenance, and less willing to find partner to make babies which make it harder for men to mate with them. ”
Right, because women only have sex to procreate.
You probably believe your mother only had sex once and she didn’t enjoy it.
10:15 pm on October 13th, 2011 85
“And as I’ve said, the main reason why I started posting in this thread is to express my disdain at TeaDrinker’s lack understanding of population statistics (basically Koreans are unruly mofos! Foreigner ftw!). ”
Lack of understanding of population statistics? You can’t even understand simple English or logic. I was observing a fact, which is that crime rates are lower amongst the foreign community than in the general population in South Korea and was positing an explanation for this phenomenon, which is that Immigration is effectively keeping the riff-raff out.
10:32 pm on October 13th, 2011 86
“Right, because women only have sex to procreate.
You probably believe your mother only had sex once and she didn’t enjoy it.”
The most stable sexual relationship is best established among married couple than among unmarried people.
Low birthrate in Korea is directly tied to the low marriage rate as it is tied to other factors. Childbearing cost is one thing, but the women’s wish to remain free of men’s influence in their life is another.
I think we both need to come to mutually understand that I understand Korea and the Koreans’ mindsets a lot better than you ever will. I know perfectly well why Korean women of breeding age are generally becoming less and less willing to have stable sexual relationship with the majority of the Korean male population, and I totally don’t need your half-assed attempt to lecture ‘facts’ about a country to a native lol.
걍 그만 짖어라 제발…
“Lack of understanding of population statistics? You can’t even understand simple English or logic. I was observing a fact, which is that crime rates are lower amongst the foreign community than in the general population in South Korea and was positing an explanation for this phenomenon, which is that Immigration is effectively keeping the riff-raff out.”
Your explanation does not have enough substance to prove itself valid because it is supported by invalid population statistics, which I accept is natural because you don’t understand it.
10:40 pm on October 13th, 2011 87
And TeaDrinker, the country still has plenty of foreign riff-raffs as it is. I see one here right now.
10:47 pm on October 13th, 2011 88
Then if the USFK is not the cause … why does the ROK media, with the connivance of Lee Myoung-bak, continue to blame USFK for the increase of sexual assaults in the ROK, and the ubiquity of sex for sale?
10:52 pm on October 13th, 2011 89
“Then if the USFK is not the cause … why does the ROK media, with the connivance of Lee Myoung-bak, continue to blame USFK for the increase of sexual assaults in the ROK, and the ubiquity of sex for sale?”
I generally don’t have trust in the personal opinions of the ROK media and I often show faith only in the official statements of the Korean government. The Korean government does not think even for a moment that USFK or SOFA is the cause of increasing sexual violence in the country. Neither do I.
4:57 am on October 14th, 2011 90
Really? Then what is this all about?
주한미군 범죄 TF 설치
5:20 am on October 14th, 2011 91
They are going to create a law enforcement task force that is dedicated to preventing and solving USFK-related criminal and felonious incidents.
It does not endorse in anyway the notion that the rise in sexual violence in the country is related to the presence of USFK. The simple matter of fact is that some USFK personnel are bound to commit crime and felony whether anyone likes it or not and the governemtn is going to create a dedicated task force that it hopes will address them more efficiently.
5:34 am on October 14th, 2011 92
We finally get a reasonable actual nonkyopo korean and some of you treat him like tom or orbit… jesus.
5:38 am on October 14th, 2011 93
Will this require any new buildings and/or real estate?
6:00 am on October 14th, 2011 94
“Will this require any new buildings and/or real estate?”
The article does not give any indication that that will be the case.
8:11 am on October 14th, 2011 95
#39 Task force? Typical of this administration. Let’s create a committee and discuss it. A task force already exists, it’s called the chain of command, which apparently lacks leadership. Social engineering at the expense of a once great military.
8:16 am on October 14th, 2011 96
Jeff = he is refferring to the kor govt
8:54 am on October 14th, 2011 97
“I see one here right now.”
Don’t be so hard on yourself. You ain’t that bad.
9:22 am on October 14th, 2011 98
Well you proved yourself again.
6:27 pm on October 14th, 2011 99
“Your explanation does not have enough substance to prove itself valid because it is supported by invalid population statistics, which I accept is natural because you don’t understand it.”
How so? Really, the numbers are there, the stats are accurate, 2% of the population is not statistically insignificant. Are Korea-Canadian and Korean-American statistically insignificant? As far as I know, they make up less than 2% of the Canadian and American populations. Really, you’re being antagonistic for the sake of being so.
6:29 pm on October 14th, 2011 100
…You’re trying to marginalize a minority, and that’s simply an ignorant position to take.
PS. Here’s a preemptive response to your reply: piss off!
8:05 pm on October 14th, 2011 101
“How so? Really, the numbers are there, the stats are accurate, 2% of the population is not statistically insignificant. Are Korea-Canadian and Korean-American statistically insignificant? As far as I know, they make up less than 2% of the Canadian and American populations. Really, you’re being antagonistic for the sake of being so.”
So you clearly don’t see which statistical treatment has been done wrong with putting two foreigners and and nine-eight Koreans with you in the same room to see who’s more likely to hurt you?
Because obviously, that’s a lot, a lot different from having two foreigners and two Koreans with you in the same room to see who’s more likely to hurt you.