By GI Korea on November 20th, 2011 at 3:42 am

ROK Drop Open Thread – November 20, 2011

• Conway Eastwood
  3:59 am on November 20th, 2011 1

  Not much to say for now, but enjoy some great American music from the 19th century: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTnjS4WK5ak

• 코리
  4:38 am on November 20th, 2011 2

  More fun from illegal Chinese fishing trawlers:
  http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2011/11/19/64/0200000000AEN20111119002800315F.HTML

  This time they formed a mini-Armada off of Jeju to try to get one of their ships back from custody apparently.

• ChickenHead
  7:54 am on November 20th, 2011 3

  A Canadian teacher just brought me a jug of high-quality Canadian maple syrup.

  I cracked it open and sipped a whole shot glass full.

  For the next 24 hours, Canada is my favorite country.

  Teadrinker, maple syrup is a fantastic contribution to the world and something Canadians should be vocally proud of. In fact, Canadian embassies should supply little sample bottles to Canadian citizens to hand out to strangers.

  If I lived in Canada, I’d get an IV bag, shove a needle through my cheek, and get a constant drip… and probably weigh 500 pounds within a year.

  Go Canada!

• James W,Bolt [40, yards]
  9:07 am on November 20th, 2011 4

  Early this morning[November 20 1950] my unit pull out Pakchong North Korea area and moved to Hanam-ni area to support the 3rd Battalion Australian [Argyle] The unit was to patrol the Congchon River Basin.This patrol made contact with the CCF advance unit at of Taehung-dong.The unit fired on this unit with excellent result.Enemy activity in incerasing along the whole 8th Army front.sign 40 yards

• Tron
  1:30 pm on November 20th, 2011 5

  釣魚島問題專家、香港中文大學亞太研究所研究員鄭海麟從釣魚台列嶼的歷史地位切入，直指釣魚島隸屬中國毫無疑義。他指出，中日兩國大量歷史文獻表明，最早發現、命名和使用釣魚台列嶼的是中國人，而不是琉球人或日本人。釣魚島列嶼並不屬於「舊琉球王朝的勢力所及範圍」，該列嶼在明朝便被納入中國海防及行政管制區域。

  一九五一年的《舊金山（三藩市）合約》根本沒有涉及釣魚台列嶼的主權問題。一九五二年美國託管當局將釣魚島列嶼劃入琉球列島地理境界的經緯度內，是極不適當和不合國際法的。因此，日本聲稱擁有該列嶼主權在國際法上不能成立。

  中國大陸學者近年來對釣魚島議題的研究下了很大工夫。清華大學當代國際關係研究院副院長劉江永教授指出，事實證明日本早在甲午戰爭前十年已知釣魚台列嶼屬於中國。

  日外務省當年編撰的《日本外交文書》第十八卷和第二十三卷中，對明治政府竊取釣魚島的決策過程有非常詳實的記載。換言之，釣魚台列嶼是日本乘甲午戰爭之機，未等簽署馬關條約而從中國竊取的。如今，日方稱其與馬關條約，即甲午戰爭無關，根本站不住腳。

  二戰後釣魚島問題懸而未決與美國介入密不可分。劉江永指出，一九七一年美國擅自決定將釣魚島的行政管轄權交給日本政府，遭到全球華人的強烈反對，掀起保釣浪潮，迫使美國迄今迄未承認日本擁有釣魚島的主權，而希望中日雙方和平協商解決。

  然而，二零一零年以來美國政府多次明確表示，釣魚島適用於美日安保條約第五條，「這是造成日本政府在釣魚島問題上有恃無恐採取強硬做法的重要外部因素」。

  事實上，東京法院曾經判定釣魚島屬於台北州。台灣光復前一年，台灣與琉球為釣魚島發生歸屬權之爭，當時該法院將釣魚台列嶼判決為台北州所有，更加證明釣魚島主權屬台灣。

  此外，中國大陸學者、上海社會科學研究院法學研究所副研究員、海洋法研究中心主任金永明，上海國際問題研究院學術委員會副主任、上海市日本學會會長吳寄南等，也發表論文，探索釣魚島的國際地位，力證釣魚島主權屬中華民族。

  台灣師範大學東亞系助理教授林賢參則從戰略意涵分析釣魚島問題的本質。他說，中國大陸追求成為「海洋強國」，企圖掌控西太平洋海域之制海權，會壓縮日本防衛之戰略縱深；政治大學亞太研究所副研究員李瓊莉，也提出國際經驗的比較。

  政大外交系教授趙國材說，釣魚台列嶼問題迄今無解，指出釣魚島問題不論從歷史地位或法律地位探討皆無意義，因為國際政治乃強權政治，關於釣魚島主權誰屬是老大哥美國說了算。

  趙國材又表示，台灣願意依聯合國憲章及國際法和平解決國際爭端的規範，從主權、戰略位置、海洋權益與維護資源等面向，以確保釣魚台列嶼領土主權完整，與日本談判，並保護台灣漁民權益。唯日方無意願與台灣談判主權問題，只願和台灣談判漁權，想透過台灣獲得漁權用來騙取釣魚台列嶼的主權。但保釣出身的總統馬英九並未上當，既要漁權也要主權。

  台灣有人主張拉攏美國介入東海爭端，使日本、中國大陸、台灣、美國形成四方機制，能更有效解決釣魚台列嶼主權問題，並提升台灣之國際地位。趙國材認為，這種做法可能會引狼入室，不見得對台灣有利，因為美日在外交上皆承認北京，與台灣沒有邦交，且釣魚台列嶼附近之海域處於防衛美國本土的第一島鏈上，可能牽動東北亞安全情勢和美日的戰略布局，美國在釣魚台列嶼問題上一向表態中立，骨子裏其實偏袒日本。

  台灣政治大學國際法學研究中心研究員邵漢儀首次全部全文公開日方釣魚島的新史料，掀起高潮。邵的父親邵玉銘當年留美時亦曾參與保釣運動，如今父子兩代同台參與釣魚島會議，傳為佳話。

  日本外務省於一九七一年提出的《我國關於尖閣諸島領有權的基本見解》聲稱﹕「自一八八五年以來，日本政府通過沖繩縣當局等途徑再三在尖閣諸島進行實地調查，慎重確認尖閣諸島不僅為無人島，而且沒有受清朝統治的痕跡。在此基礎上，於一八九五年一月二十一日，在內閣會議上決定在島上建立標樁，以正式列入我國領土之內。」

  為了調查日方說法的真相，邵漢儀曾親往日本查閱相關原件，包括仍未公開的明治時期史料。他從日本外務省外交史料館、防衛省防衛研究所圖書館，以及國立公文書館尋得近四十件原件，首次全部公開。他歷時兩年餘發現明治政府從未派員至釣魚島進行實地調查，所謂「再三」調查純屬捏造。

  韓國外國語大學教授黃載皓認為，今年三月中國發表國防白皮書，確立戰略目標是國家現代化、力主防禦性國防、與他國建立軍事互信，他懷疑中日會爆發大戰，也不認為日本會放棄二戰後的現代化貿然掀起戰端。不過，另一位韓國學者國家安保戰略研究院研究員朴炳光指出，韓日兩國近年提出擴大交流合作關係的「新時代」理念，但對於韓國，獨島攸關經濟及軍事戰略國家利益，不可能讓步。

• kangaji
  2:51 pm on November 20th, 2011 6

  #5: The moon belongs to America and anxiously awaits the arrival of our astromen – will you be among them?

• JoeC
  3:59 pm on November 20th, 2011 7

  Well , it looks like my prediction on the Super Committee experiment will come true. But it wasn’t much of a prediction. Anyone following what has become of Washington could have seen it coming.

  I used to put the blame on the congressmen themselves, but now I’m deciding to reconsider. Their approval ratings can’t get any lower than 9%, … can it? They are going to continue to get their $175,000 salaries and their corporate payoffs through their lobbyist fixers, no matter what they do, or as is so often the case now, don’t do. They are just doing what comes naturally to them. When you employ street hookers, you can’t be surprised when they start sleeping all day and turning tricks all night. As long as they sign the pledge and speak in the talking points sound bites, no one will notice.

  I have decided that the responsibility for this should go to the American voters. Polls have shown the one part of the electorate believes, as I do, that compromise is necessary for effective government, while the other part says, ‘Damn the consequences. No compromise.’ One side says we need to have government in action to solve our problems. The other side says the solution is government inaction. It seems that the latter has gotten its way.

  Over the last year, the legislature has ground to a halt. There has been no productive work on jobs, the debt or the economy in general. The floor of the Capitol must look like a pre-school, what with all the scurrying around to deal with important issues, like Reaffirming The National Motto and Declaring Pizza a Vegetable. This Super Committee stuff? That’s adults’ work. But where are we going to find adults in this days and age. Can you spell “INTRANSIGENT” boys and girls?

  The Congress is just a reflection of the American voters and we have a largely Jerry Springer and WWE crowd. Be loud and insulting and you are a winner. “Whoot, whoot, whoot!” Even if you have no talent or education, just be outrageous and we will give a reality TV show. This is what many of us find entertaining. This we’ve come to and this is how we elect our politicians. Now, we will get to experience the results.

  Maybe there will be a silver lining. No pain, no gain.

• kangaji
  7:09 pm on November 20th, 2011 8

  http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/04/ap-nebraska-national-guard-colonel-relieved-of-command-042911/ Toxic leader, politically correct PS, or both?

• Tbonetylr
  7:11 pm on November 20th, 2011 9

  Does that maple syrup come with onion or tomatoe?

• Conway Eastwood
  12:51 am on November 21st, 2011 10

  It comes with CDs of some of the greatest Canadian musical icons in history, like Justin D. Bieber and Aubrey D. Graham.

• Teadrinker
  3:26 pm on November 21st, 2011 11

  Ever heard of this guy?:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist

  Where does he get his money?

• Glans
  6:17 pm on November 21st, 2011 12

  No, Teadrinker 11, I never heard of that guy. The Wikipedia article says he was born in Massachusetts – I haven’t heard of that either, maybe it’s a Canadian province? As to his money, he may have some personal wealth, and he has his organization. There are rank-and-file members, who probably pay dues. And I would guess, though I really don’t know, billionaires like the Koch Brothers probably contribute substantially.

• Jinro Dukkohbi
  6:21 pm on November 21st, 2011 13

  #11 – says his father was vice prez at Polaroid so my guess is he was born into money…

• JumperGuy
  8:07 pm on November 21st, 2011 14

  Anyone following Marmot’s Hole? There’s a couple of guys over there duking it out almost every day. One, a lawyer acting as a legal consultant in Korea, seems to believe that character assassination is how one’s argument about a topic makes one more knowledgeable. The other guy is either military or former military and doesn’t seem inclined to bend to the will of the pompous lawyer-type. The lawyer has actually compared their high school sports teams success this season as a measure of which one’s position is more legitimate. My wife is an event/reunion planner and jumps all over the Internet. She looked up both of these guys in old high school yearbooks – I have no idea where she found them. The lawyer type was on his high school debate team – OMG, his picture tells me he certainly didn’t deplete his bank account paying for any dinner dates. Google “Mortimer Snerd” or “Howdy Doody” and you’ll get a great idea of what he looked like.

• ChickenHead
  8:03 am on November 22nd, 2011 15

  I am currently eating dinner/drinking with some high-level Koreans.

  They cannot take their eyes off the soccer game on TV.

  I realized soccer is a THIRD WORLD GAME with a third world mentality… which is why it will never catch on in a successful America.

  If you cannot intuitively grasp how it perfectly represents the plight of third world and thieir loser mentality, ask me and I will elaborate.

• kangaji
  5:33 pm on November 22nd, 2011 16

  What about Starcraft?

• kangaji
  6:52 pm on November 22nd, 2011 17

  Specific, Professional Development Question: Can anybody recommend some good books to augment an Engineer Battle Analysis of Chipyongni?

• ChickenHead
  7:13 pm on November 22nd, 2011 18

  Engineer Battle Analysis of $$$$$$$$BIG_GAME_HUNTERS$$$$$$$$

  …and…

  Applications of MapHack Through L337 Haxor Skillz

• kangaji
  7:29 pm on November 22nd, 2011 19

  LOLwut?

• Leon LaPorte
  7:48 pm on November 22nd, 2011 20

  17. Anything by Dale Carnegie or Ayn Rand.

• kangaji
  8:12 pm on November 22nd, 2011 21

  How to win friends and influence people: Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct. Don’t give direct orders, but suggest.

  Battle of Chipyongni:
  Lieutenant Heath stopped the artillerymen at the bottom of the hill, reformed them, and led them back up the hill himself. By this time, fighting on the hill had erupted into a frenzy of firing, with the enemy in full possession of that sector of Company G’s line near the saddle. Near the top of the hill Lieutenant Heath’s group fell apart again, the men running hard toward the bottom. With his men all gone, Heath started back after them. He was angry, and was yelling so loudly the men in the fire direction center tent could hear him. Halfway down the hill he stopped and stood there. Yelling for more help, ordering the men to return and re-form their line. When they didn’t, he ran on to the bottom.

  Heath grabbed a couple of the men by their clothing, yelling: “Goddammit, get back up on that hill! You’ll die down here anyway. You might as well go up on the hill and die there.”

• ChickenHead
  8:20 pm on November 22nd, 2011 22

  Sorry, Kangaji…

  …Starcraft jokes.

  Which reminds me…

  Starcraft is not a third world game. It is a hungry, developing nation game.

  It requires clever short and long-term planning… ruthless action with correct timing… constant attention to every aspect… etc.

  Idleness is punished. Success is rewarded and built upon.

  Upon consideration, Starcraft is very much a reflection of how Korea engages the world.

• Ole Tanker
  8:24 pm on November 22nd, 2011 23

  Can we use Starcraft editor to reenact the Battle of Chipyongni?

• ChickenHead
  9:05 pm on November 22nd, 2011 24

  “Can we use Starcraft editor to reenact the Battle of Chipyongni? ”

  Why not?

  “Overlord Heath grabbed a couple of the hydralisks by their reticulated stamens, yelling: “By the Queen Hive, get back up on that hill! You’ll be consumed down here anyway. You might as well go up on the hill and infest some Terrans.”

• Ole Tanker
  9:35 pm on November 22nd, 2011 25

  Let that Orc bastard die for his tribe, not some human for his!!!

  Wait..wrong game.

• Not convinced
  9:54 pm on November 22nd, 2011 26

  FTA Passed!!!!!

• Not convinced
  9:56 pm on November 22nd, 2011 27

  http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2011/11/23/0301000000AEN20111123000100315.HTML

• Ole Tanker
  10:02 pm on November 22nd, 2011 28

  F$CK THE ARMY!!!!

  OLD NEWS.

• Leon LaPorte
  10:53 pm on November 22nd, 2011 29

  F$CK THE ARMY!!!!

  Why would one wish to run a file system check on the army?

• ChickenHead
  11:03 pm on November 22nd, 2011 30

  Leon,

  Maybe there is a problem with CRC.

• Leon LaPorte
  11:12 pm on November 22nd, 2011 31

  30. Touche. A heap big problem, kemosabe.

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