By Here is an update for those still interested in the much discussed Andre Fisher case:
One year and 19 days after PVT Andre Michael Fisher was arrested by the Korean National Police at 2:20 a.m. on November 19, in front of the Hanggangjin subway station in central Seoul for allegedly committing aggravated robbery against a taxi driver, Fisher’s final appeal to the Supreme Court of Korea was dismissed.
The court delivered the ruling Thursday, December 8 (without even a hearing) stating that the previous adjudications were fairly and sufficiently administered, first, by the Seoul Central District Court 10 June 2011, where Fisher was sentenced to two years, not suspended, and, second, by the Seoul High Court on 25 August 2011, where PVT Fisher’s first appeal was swiftly dismissed. [Three Wise Monkeys]
You can read more at the link but 3WM says that over the next few months they will be releasing documents and information that will show that Fisher’s case was flawed and possibly a miscarriage of justice. It should be interesting reading that I’m sure will provide much more discussion about this case.
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9:48 am on December 14th, 2011 1
Is this any surprise for Andre Fisher?
1. Based on publicly available information, a great deal of evidence suggests he is guilty.
2. His supporters hid this evidence or directly lied about it.
3. Absolutely NO effort has been made to explain away this evidence.
4. Insultingly-incorrect statements about Korea and arrogant activism on his behalf very likely caused his sentence to be harsh and his appeal to be denied.
…etc.
Further, all serious help offered here, from dealing with the military/Korea… to collecting evidence which would show the truth… to how to make the best of his time in prison, was ignored in favor of more emotional-but-non-specific screeching about vague human rights abuse.
Three Wise Monkeys did a good job investigating ATEK… but they are are looking increasingly unprofessional by grasping at a scandal here that does not exist…
…made worse by constant hints and promises of case-changing evidence that never quite turns up.
11:45 am on December 14th, 2011 2
Also remember, foreigners in Korea generally find justice in Korean courts, it’s more common than not.
I personally know of several people facing similiar charges that are prime examples.
4:32 pm on December 14th, 2011 3
Fisher’s family lied about the SOFA, they lied about his commanding officer, they lied about…well, just about everything. I’m prone to thinking this “evidence” from T3WM is simply statements from his family. Korean courts may tend to go overboard on occasion against US military defendents (not that I said may); however, I just do not see it in this case.
4:33 pm on December 14th, 2011 4
Argh! Another typo! “not” should be “note”.
p.s. In previous posts on this site, I’ve posted as johnhenry. JH = johnhenry.
5:00 pm on December 14th, 2011 5
#2,
Yes, if the “evidence” was of any real significance to the case, it would have already been released. Reporters are not in the habit of sitting on a scoop.
5:01 pm on December 14th, 2011 6
Crap, I meant #1, not #2.
7:10 pm on December 14th, 2011 7
” 3WM says that over the next few months they will be releasing documents and information that will show that Fisher’s case was flawed and possibly a miscarriage of justice.”
So is 3MW interested in getting Fisher freed immediately OR are they interested in bringing more attention to 3WM as they SLOWLY leak out the evidences that will prove Fisher was innocent, WHILE Fisher is languishing in the jail?
12:29 am on December 15th, 2011 8
3WM can’t decide which side it’s on. Initially they were on the whole “Free Fischer” love-in, but then when it became clear that his supports, family and he himself were bold-faced liars, they suddenly pulled stories and deleted content to try and protect their image. They’ve got all the journalistic integrity of Rupert Murdoch.
10:15 am on December 15th, 2011 9
But, how can this be? American imperialist soldiers are never tried in Korean courts. NEVER!
[/sarcasm]
2:44 pm on December 16th, 2011 10
#7, very good question. One I bet they will not answer.
4:27 pm on December 16th, 2011 11
Andre’s just a human being.
But not one they will be freeing.
So say thanks to the stars,
as it’s safe for your cars,
since he won’t be doing much keying.
1:08 am on December 17th, 2011 12
Some claim that Andre is pure.
Others are not quite as sure.
For opinions are varied,
if justice miscarried,
or was fortunately born premature.
1:28 am on December 22nd, 2011 13
Part 1 has come out:
http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/2011/12/19/the-pvt-andre-fisher-case-handling-of-evidence-pt-1/
5:09 am on December 22nd, 2011 14
Part 1 is lame. Maybe that was intentional so parts 2 and 3 would look awesome in comparison.
10:43 pm on December 26th, 2011 15
Part 2 is up now and is, as I suspected, also lacking ambulatory function.
http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/2011/12/26/dddd/
12:06 am on December 27th, 2011 16
#15 tl;dr we acted like idiots and people yelled at us.
1:19 pm on December 29th, 2011 17
I’m wondering now if part 3 is going to be a “gotcha” thread: “Hah! So many of you bought into Fisher’s claims and all along there was never any real doubt. HERE is the real evidence!”
That whole fiasco has taken a turn for the more ridiculous with Stephanie White adding her inanity and insanity to it.
5:07 pm on December 29th, 2011 18
That Stephannie White person is really a trip. She’s accusing anyone suggesting Andre is guilty as a paid skeptic. She’s the same one that raised the alarm bells that Andre could be drugged and that his life might be in danger while in jail.
5:34 pm on December 29th, 2011 19
It’s a conspiracy!
Everyone is out to get A.W.A. (that’s Andre With Attitude to you)
From Andres standpoint, he’s building his cred as a thug-rapper, yo. Straight out da suburbs, in a hoodie – sportin’ a woodie.
What are you trying to do to me?
You wasn’t true to me
When I was locked up (in Koreyooo) you farked something like 34 guys
But I let that slide
‘Cuz your a$$ is big, and your titties is phat
I wanted to FARK THAT
But FARK THAT
I never gave a FARK THAT, you put me through the courts
And gave me genital warts
One thing I can’t stand is these biatches
Trying to take my riches, when I ain’t even got none
Whoa. Got carried away there. Eh, just clowning with ya.
6:27 pm on December 29th, 2011 20
Stephanie White should prostrate herself in front of the Ministry of Justice and thank them for not applying the law here to her for her continued and constant accusations against any and all who don’t deign to believe her groundless rants. Do you know why the MoJ hasn’t done anything to her? Becuase, contrary to her rantings, they appear to have compassion for a mother whose young son died.
Why do I mention her again? It’s simple, really. She’s also accusing the US government of refusing to do anything to help her. How many times does she have to be told that the US government will not get involved because, by law, it cannot get involved. Fisher’s case is a bit different, which is something else both Fisher’s family/supporters and White seem unable to grasp. Although the US government is still prohibited from interfering with Fisher’s case, they must, again by law, provide certain assistance to him and also monitor the case, to include ensuring the presence of SOFA observers at all trials. It is ridiculous, even childish, to maintain that (a) the ROK courts would violate the terms of the SOFA agreement in front of SOFA observers and (b) to accuse the US government of failing to act when said government is complying (acting) 100% as required by law.
As mentioned here, on T3WM, and on Dave’s more than a few times by people familiar with Korean law, with US law, and specifically with US military law, Fisher has not been mistreated. His rights were guarded more closely than a Korean suspect’s rights are.
Did you get that last bit, Fisher-supporters? Your hero has been treated better than a Korean suspect by the Korean police, courts, and prison system.
But go ahead and rail against any and all who don’t believe what you wish were true.
6:41 pm on December 29th, 2011 21
Did the authors of the Andre Fisher articles at 3WM even graduate high school?
I would recommend they hire someone with better skills in logic than the Jerry Springer wannabee plot they used for their so-called “investigation.”
They have no legal standing in Korea or anywhere else. They are bloggers, nor recognized members of the Korean Press Corps. They do not understand Korean or American law. They do not understand “chain of custody”. They do not understand the definition of “evidence.” And since they mention several shouting matches with guards and attorneys, they’re acting like arsehats.
All they can do is get Fisher re-sentenced to Life Without Parole at this rate… And maybe that’s their plan…
9:23 pm on January 2nd, 2012 22
And part three is up, just as bad as parts one and two. LarryM, if you wish, you can contact me at montereygo@hotmail.com. Just be sure to put in “This Larry” in the subject line.
Comment from “Andre’s Dad” almost floored me, I was laughing so hard. Parents didn’t lie about anything? WRONG! They commenced their lies with the false statement about their little angel and his meeting with his commanding officer.
Once again, for those familiar with (a) South Korea law, (b) United States miltiary law (aka UCMJ), or (c) both (a) and (b), this case is a total fiasco on one side only, that of the defenders. The Korean judicial system seems to have gone to some pretty good extremes to not railroad the accused. And the US government has certainly not abandoned him as the parents and other supporters assert.
10:13 pm on January 2nd, 2012 23
I hope Andre packed for prison because he certainly will be packed in prison. How anybody could believe that this guy is innocent after all the lies that his family & he have told plus the evidence is absolutely beyond me.
10:17 pm on January 2nd, 2012 24
#23: Actually, that kind of incident is pretty well unknown in Korean prisons. On top of that (sorry about the awful pun), he’s incarcerated in a private cell.
I do agree with you, though, about the veracity of Fisher et al.
10:25 pm on January 2nd, 2012 25
#22 to be fair, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say the Korean handling of all this left much to be desired, although it’s more a case of lack of motivation in doing a lot of the due diligence than trying to conspire to buil a false accusation against him. I think that was a run-on sentence. Anyway, whatever the way the Korean handling of it was, Andre’s family’s handling of it was actually a greater comedy of errors. There have been calls to the family from several different sites to set the record straight and they never did. Even now they are saying the military didn’t give them any answers and that the info they got was from facebook, skype, etc. Last I checked those are pretty stable media to communicate with. This just shows that Andre was telling them falsehoods from the beginning, none of which the family has backtracked on and even now they are trying to explain away.
2:15 pm on January 3rd, 2012 26
Wow, they deleted some of my posts. Nice.
3:54 pm on January 3rd, 2012 27
Deleted them, huh? It’s almost like…strike that; it’s exactly like what the Fisher family’s been doing on their Facebook page: any post at all that doesn’t echo their line is disappeared. And some people wonder why some of us look at the case askance.
It reminds me so much of what I saw growing up. Some young thug would get arrested and their mother or aunt would say, “But my little boy would never do such a thing. He’s never in trouble. Why, he always give me (insert expensive stuff here). The man’s just picking on him because he doesn’t have a job.” Quick question: if he doesn’t have a job, how does he afford to give you all that expensive stuff?
That’s what we’re dealing with here with the Fisher supporters: refusal to apply logic to his statements and actions.
8:32 am on January 4th, 2012 28
fisher and crew are taking their ball and going home. They removed the latest TWM thread from their facebook group. I guess they didn’t like how it called them out on their behaviour..
11:10 pm on January 9th, 2012 29
And now TWM has gone to a “we read your comment before we post it” system. I thought No Pants Day was just for the subway in New York. Guess I was wrong.
11:28 pm on January 9th, 2012 30
I guess you can’t just have people wandering in and pointing out your mistakes willy-nilly. How could anyone run an honest news organization like that?