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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on December 18th, 2011 at 3:35 am

ROK Drop Open Thread – December 18, 2011

Please leave anything you want to discuss in the comments section.

  • Leon LaPorte
    3:40 am on December 18th, 2011 1

    In Memoriam: Christopher Hitchens, 1949–2011

    Christopher Hitchens—the incomparable critic, masterful rhetorician, fiery wit, and fearless bon vivant—died today at the age of 62. Hitchens was diagnosed with esophageal cancer in the spring of 2010, just after the publication of his memoir, Hitch-22, and began chemotherapy soon after. His matchless prose has appeared in Vanity Fair since 1992, when he was named contributing editor.

    “Cancer victimhood contains a permanent temptation to be self-centered and even solipsistic,” Hitchens wrote nearly a year ago in Vanity Fair, but his own final labors were anything but: in the last 12 months, he produced for this magazine a piece on U.S.-Pakistani relations in the wake of Osama bin Laden’s death, a portrait of Joan Didion, an essay on the Private Eye retrospective at the Victoria and Albert Museum, a prediction about the future of democracy in Egypt, a meditation on the legacy of progressivism in Wisconsin, and a series of frank, graceful, and exquisitely written essays in which he chronicled the physical and spiritual effects of his disease. At the end, Hitchens was more engaged, relentless, hilarious, observant, and intelligent than just about everyone else—just as he had been for the last four decades.

    “My chief consolation in this year of living dyingly has been the presence of friends,” he wrote in the June 2011 issue. He died in their presence, too, at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas. May his 62 years of living, well, so livingly console the many of us who will miss him dearly.

  • Denny
    4:16 am on December 18th, 2011 2

    Blindfolded students make out with their PARENTS in high school prank

    They were told to expect a kiss from a ‘special someone’.

    But the joke was on teenagers at Rosemount High School when the mystery lip locks they suspected came from their classmates… were actually from their parents.

    Now that footage of the cringe-worthy pep rally prank has gone viral, John Wollersheim says as the school principal he owes an apology to everyone who was offended by the incestual display.

  • kangaji
    9:23 am on December 18th, 2011 3

    J-20 Airframe flight report.

  • kangaji
    9:27 am on December 18th, 2011 4

    Wondering how valid that flight report is based on the air frame and how much just seems to be opinion…

  • Thomas Lee
    12:56 pm on December 18th, 2011 5

    Kangaji….thx for sharing. I can tell you that the USA is very worried about the advancements China is making in aviation. I keep debating with friends of mine the importance of taking note of where china is heading militarily. I keep getting told “it’s stupid to worry about the Chinese”, but I, and many others, really do see them as a real and dangerous threat to global security.

  • Avatar of USinKoreaUSinKorea
    4:18 pm on December 18th, 2011 6

    I hate cold weather. I wish I’d given notice to leave on the 23rd like I wanted. Now, it will be two more months of freezing…

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:12 pm on December 18th, 2011 7


    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Kim Jong Il, North Korea’s mercurial and enigmatic leader, has died. He was 69.

    Kim’s death was announced Monday by the state television from the North Korean capital, Pyongyang.

    Kim is believed to have suffered a stroke in 2008 but appeared relatively vigorous in photos and video from recent trips to China and Russia and in numerous trips around the country carefully documented by state media. The leader, reputed to have had a taste for cigars, cognac and gourmet cuisine, was believed to have had diabetes and heart disease. ;-)

  • Chris In Dallas
    8:21 pm on December 18th, 2011 8

    Jusf saw an AP repirt saying Kim Jong Il died.

  • Tom Langley
    8:23 pm on December 18th, 2011 9

    Good Riddance you evil corrupt communist tyrant. If there is justice in this world your worthless carcass will burn for eternity in hell. You ate lobster with silver chopsticks while your countrymen starved. You lived in palaces while over 200,000 of your countrymen are in gulags. I hope you enjoy the company of your fellow dictators Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Saddam Hussein, & Pol Pot. I hope now that Korea can peacefully reunify under freedom.

  • Teadrinker
    8:30 pm on December 18th, 2011 10


    …and we all get a chance to go piss on his grave.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    8:35 pm on December 18th, 2011 11

    Yep – good riddance…

  • Avatar of USinKoreaUSinKorea
    8:36 pm on December 18th, 2011 12

    I made an open thread for discussion of Kim Jong Il’s death…

  • Glans
    8:37 pm on December 18th, 2011 13

    Was he Tom?

  • Glans
    10:43 pm on December 18th, 2011 14

    China’s bubble could be about to burst, says Paul Krugman. Unfortunate timing, huh?

  • Tbonetylr
    2:10 am on December 19th, 2011 15

    Ding Dong! Kim is dead. Which old Kim? The Wicked Kim! Ding Dong! The Wicked Kim is dead.Wake up, the Wicked Kim is dead. He’s gone where the Tyrants go.Below – below – below, Yo-ho.Ding Dong’ the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.Let them know, the Wicked old Kim is dead!Yes, let the joyous news be spread, the wicked Old Kim at last is dead!

  • Avatar of USinKoreaUSinKorea
    9:01 pm on December 20th, 2011 16

    South Korean firm accused of illegal selling of military equipment.

    A South Korean company has been indicted in Cleveland on allegations it illegally exported infrared technology used by the U.S. military.

    I don’t think this will be a big deal in the end, because Battlefield 3 just nerfed that…

  • Glans
    1:34 am on December 21st, 2011 17

    The White House kitchen was kosherized for Hannukkah. Jarrod Bernstein’s post also links to the President and First Lady’s Hanukkah greetings and to their (early) Hanukkah celebration.

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:45 am on December 21st, 2011 18

    #17. How sad we have to put so much effort into antiquated, bronze age mythologies. I sure hope humanity can survive long enough, despite them, to out grow them.

  • Glans
    5:12 am on December 21st, 2011 19

    #18, I just want it on the record, in case ChickenHead says, “Obama is not an American. He didn’t celebrate Hanukkah.”

    In other news, the next president of the United States issued a press release on the death of Kim Jong the Second.

  • Leon LaPorte
    5:59 am on December 21st, 2011 20

    19. Like I said before. Perry is just like Bush only not as smart.

  • ChickenHead
    7:24 am on December 21st, 2011 21

    I won’t fall for that, Glans.

    No matter how many kosher kitchens, I won’t believe Obama is Jewish until he circumcises a baby with his teeth and drinks the blood.

    Google “metzitzah b’peh” if you think I am kidding.

    …and you thought Catholics and football coaches had the lock on young boys.

  • Denny
    3:45 pm on December 21st, 2011 22

    8 US soldiers charged in Chinese American soldier’s death

    Even before the Army sent him to Afghanistan, supporters say, Pvt. Daniel Chen was fighting a personal war.

    Fellow soldiers at a base in Georgia teased him about his Chinese name, crying out “Chen!” in an exaggerated Asian accent. They called him “Jackie Chen,” a reference to the Hollywood action star Jackie Chan. People would ask him if he was Chinese, even though he was a native New Yorker.

    At one point Chen wrote in his diary that he was running out of jokes to respond with.

    Then he was sent overseas, and the hazing began: Soldiers dragged him across a floor, pelted him with stones and forced him to hold liquid in his mouth while hanging upside down, according to diary entries and other accounts cited by a community activist.

    On Oct. 3, the 19-year-old Chen was found dead in a guardhouse in Afghanistan with what the Army said was apparently a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

    On Wednesday, the Army announced charges against eight soldiers in his death, saying Chen was a victim of illegal hazing. Five of those accused were charged with involuntary manslaughter and negligent homicide. The alleged offenses also included maltreatment, assault and threats.

  • JoeC
    3:50 pm on December 21st, 2011 23

    This ought to set some people off around here.

    I always thought it was a spontaneous thing. I didn’t know it gravitated into a competitive selection in the Navy:

    Navy officials said it was the first time on record that a same-sex couple was chosen to kiss first upon a ship’s return. Sailors and their loved ones bought $1 raffle tickets for the opportunity. Gaeta said she bought $50 of tickets, a figure that she said pales in comparison to amounts that some other sailors and their loved ones had bought. The money was used to host a Christmas party for the children of sailors.

    I think it’s kind of cute, but will probably be much less so when we have two gay guys win it.

  • kangaji
    4:59 pm on December 21st, 2011 24

    #23: Lesbians? In the NAVY? :shock:

  • Teadrinker
    10:42 pm on December 21st, 2011 25

    I think I’ve already mentioned that I rarely hang out with foreign English teachers except my very closest friends. I keep my distances. Some of the bitterest and phoniest people I’ve had the misfortune of coming across have been foreign English teachers here. If you’re amongst the very few English teacher who’ve been able to build a good life for yourself and your family here, you understand. You know that there’s always a few whose jealousy will be such that they’ll do their darnedest to ruin your reputation within the “community”. Unfortunately, there’s always a new stream of equally pathetic people coming in to replace them when they finally move on with their miserable lives. It’s no surprise that many of us who’ve been here for years go into business. The BS gets old.

  • kangaji
    4:50 am on December 22nd, 2011 26

    #23: Hmmm… I actually didn’t hang out with any foreign English teachers when I lived in Korea now that I think about it. I wonder how many English teachers got attacked by these under handed losers and didn’t know what was going on… and blamed it on just the Koreans in their workplace.

  • kangaji
    4:51 am on December 22nd, 2011 27

    What would really suck is if you have 똥가방 Korean + 똥가방 English teacher scheming together… painful.

  • Teadrinker
    6:14 am on December 22nd, 2011 28

    #26, 27

    In my experience, it’s not the Koreans who fling the heaviest and stinkiest loads (of course, my wife would disagree). There’s something to say about the fact that we trust our Korean friends enough to discuss financial matters with them, whereas I’d never share that information with even my closest “waekukin” buddy. No, the ones who are jealous, who talk smack behind our backs, are the foreign English teachers, some of which I work with and many more I’ve never even met. They know my wife and I have had some success in business, and that draws a bulls eye on my back. It’s BS. There’s no excusing their behavior.

    If anyone has reason to be jealous, it’s me. When I first came to Korea, conditions were spartan. Free furnished modern apartment? Steady pay? The internet? Yeah, right. They have it made and they don’t know it. I was here when the dollar went from being worth 700won to it being worth 1900won in the span of a month or two…and I was only earning 1.1 million won per month. My “apartment” was a dump, I could hear the rats behind the walls.

    I paid my dues. We saved up and invested. No apologies.

  • ChickenHead
    7:01 am on December 22nd, 2011 29


    I can honestly say that I recognize and agree with every concept you just wrote about.

    My personal complaints about the vast majority of English “teachers” is that they have poor work habits… with substandard grooming, constant complaining about non-issues, and missed classes due to minor injuries or illnesses. On a personal level, most of them are losers with no life-plans and no motivation to do anything beyond surfing the web, downloading old TV shows, and chasing girls at the foreigner bars.

    I set up free scuba diving classes once and only two people managed to show up… the rest texting excuses from “drank too much” to “overslept” to “feeling sick”.

    I haven’t experienced all the petty backstabbing… as, apart from posting here, I live my life so that if anybody says something bad about me, nobody will believe them… and my relationship with local hogwons is good… and I neither care about nor get involved in all the little gossip gangs or shifting alliances… as it is all fantastically childish and amazingly transitory.

    As for the long-term residents, I find most of them to be fantastically dull… and not really having a life except for working at a hogwon… but no longer partying like the younger guys.

    A few years ago, I had a great group of American and Canadian friends. We did all sorts of activities together from skiing to boating to gaming… but they moved on… and nobody came to replace them.

    Another thing I don’t understand is the people who apply for hogwons. What a bunch of misfits. Because I can smell bullshyt half-way around the world, a number of hogwons ask my opinion on applicants. I have yet to see one that impressed me… shockingly crappy pictures that look like they woke up after a night of heavy drinking at Woodstock (like the official photo of the unshaven ATEK president in his undershirt), misspellings and poor organization, work history that screams of being an unskilled drone, etc. It is always a case of chosing the first place loser.

    Telephone interviews have been cringe-worthy… I should record them with commentary and sell them on the internet.

    I can go on and on. But it is all very sad.

  • Teadrinker
    10:10 am on December 22nd, 2011 30


    Yes, I agree with some of your views. They can certainly be childish and they are definitely transient. Unfortunately, there are a few who spread all kinds of rumors about us in order to negatively affect my wife’s business. That’s the kind of jealous little f…ers we’re dealing with. It’s frustrating, but it doesn’t really affect us financially in any way. We still earns more in a month than they’ll probably ever see.

    In any case, speaking of BS. I had a good laugh last time my family and I were having a meal at a restaurant. We tend to do a lot of code-switching when we talk, fluidly switching between our three main languages when we have a conversation. A few ESLers I’d never met sat at the table next to ours and began having a pseudo-intellectual conversation about linguistics as soon as they noticed what we were doing (they failed to impress. The best they could muster was a term linked to some Chomskian BS). I had to laugh because they reminded me of young Korean guys who go on pseudo-intellectual rants about international affairs or the US whenever they see us sitting at the table next to them. Insecure young men and BSers are the same everywhere.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    11:01 am on December 22nd, 2011 31

    @19 – I read the link you left and I found the whole article to be nothing more then anti-Perry propaganda. I don’t like Rick Perry and would never vote for him for President but to claim that a press release that had a typo of Kim Jong-il’s name as Kim Jong-II shows that Perry doesn’t know who Kim Jong-il is, is ridiculous. The link claimed that Perry mispronounced Kim Jong-il’s name and called him Kim Jong-il the Second even though it was just a misspelled press release that some staffer for Perry had a typo in.

    As ROK Heads know I make plenty of typos on this site as well but that doesn’t mean I don’t know what I am talking about in regards to North Korea. With that all said Rick Perry probably doesn’t know a whole lot about North Korea anyway but a misspelling on a press release is no indication of this.

  • Teadrinker
    6:19 pm on December 22nd, 2011 32


    “In a press release Monday, Mr. Perry and his campaign team referred to the North Korean dictator as “Kim Jong the Second.””

    Sounds pretty bad…

    “The blog has the original screenshot showing the email sent out by the Perry campaign team referring to Mr. Kim with two roman numeral letters as Kim Jong II.”

    Nope, they are twisting the facts. It was just a typo.

  • Denny
    8:44 pm on December 22nd, 2011 33

    One of the soldiers accused of hounding Pvt. Danny Chen to his death has criminal past

    Charged with aggravated assault and attempted rape a decade earlier

  • Teadrinker
    10:06 pm on December 22nd, 2011 34

    “like the official photo of the unshaven ATEK president in his undershirt”

    Speaking of jealousy, it’s leadership attacked F visa holders, the one demographic group you don’t want to alienate if you’re going to form such an organization since we are the ones who are most likely to become long time members. Yup, I was going to leave the country every year to get a background check when I’m a permanent resident and I have a family to take care of here. The idea was preposterous.

  • Glans
    5:05 am on December 23rd, 2011 35

    GI Korea 31, I suggest you study ChickenHead 29. If you don’t improve your spelling, you’ll never qualify as an English teacher.

  • Sonagi
    9:59 am on December 23rd, 2011 36

    The Daily Howler, frequently linked to by Glans in his posts, is a gold mine of examples illustrating how the fMSM publish misstatements and misrepresentations of the words and actions of politicians either in a deliberate smear or out of sheer laziness in fact-checking. I spend more time reading analyses by media watchers like Bob Somerby and Kevin Drum that I do reading actual MSM stories on politics and economics.

  • Sonagi
    10:00 am on December 23rd, 2011 37

    Argh. The letter f on my keyboard is trigger-happy.

  • kangaji
    12:16 pm on December 23rd, 2011 38

    at least your letter is ucking working.

  • Sonagi
    5:17 pm on December 23rd, 2011 39



  • Thomas Lee
    9:24 pm on December 23rd, 2011 40

    #29… I just returned from nearly two months in Korea (I go back and forth a lot). I’ve got one good American friend living in Seoul (near Seolleung station) and who posts here from time to time (Hey Mr. B! if you see this! lol). He and I both talk about how hard it is to find American friends in Korea. I have an officetel in Bundang where I stay when I’m in Korea. There are a LOT of foreigners living in the building (mostly English teachers from the way they look), yet none of them will hardly even say hello back on the elevator, much less take the time to be friendly. There’s one Canadian that is somewhat social, but just about everybody else comes across as an out of place introvert.

  • kangaji
    9:26 pm on December 23rd, 2011 41

    Interesting story I’ve been reading about by monitoring 2chan today. During the big earthquake/tsunami/nuke in Japan, a 24 year old public worker named Miki Endo continued making public announcements that the Tsunami was going to hit until it finally destroyed the building she was in, and her along with it. She’s known as the “voice of the angel” now for her sacrifice.
    machine translated material

  • ChickenHead
    10:11 pm on December 23rd, 2011 42

    Thomas Lee,

    That is so true.

    I make eye contact and say hello to every foreigner I pass on the street. Mostly, I get fleeting eye contact with some sort of grunt.

    …although guys and girls who look like they have their act together are generally more friendly.

    …but most look like hippies and misfits.

  • Thomas Lee
    11:22 pm on December 23rd, 2011 43


    hippies and misfits with a bad hangover.

  • Glans
    5:14 am on December 24th, 2011 44

    Sonagi, it doesn’t look like an error to me. You’re calling them the effing Main Stream Media, right? More citizens should read Somerby and Drum, because the fMSM are a very poor source of the information we need for self-government.

    Anyhow, GI Korea is right, the story I linked to didn’t evaluate Perry’s qualifications, it used a minor error to ridicule him. I thought it was funny, but if GI Korea thinks it’s a detriment to the ROK Drop, he can delete it.

  • Tom Langley
    9:09 pm on January 23rd, 2012 45

    I have an idea that I think Retired GI would go for. Let me give some background first then I’ll give my idea. During WW2 the Soviets tried to train dogs to carry explosives to run under German tanks which would explode destroying the tank & of course the dog. The program didn’t work because in battle the dogs would run under the Soviet tanks (the dogs were trained with Soviet tanks that used diesel which they became accustomed to the smell rather than the German tanks which used gasoline). Anyway pigs are very intelligent. Train pigs to go where angry Arabic is spoken through loudspeakers. In a loud anti-American demonstration just release the pigs. The militant members of “the religion of peace” would flee. If known terrorists were there & no civilians were there you could put the explosive pouches on them. That of course if you knew for a fact that no innocent civilians were there which I know would be very difficult to do.

  • ChickenHead
    10:39 pm on January 23rd, 2012 46

    Tom L.,

    That sounds like just another military pork project.

    None-the-less, I have this feeling that the West has some sort of misconception about Muslims an pigs.

    Does pork really work on a Muslim like crosses, garlic, and holy water on a vampire… or is it more of an irritation and something to be avoided if possible?

    Anybody have experience with this?

  • Tom Langley
    11:53 am on January 24th, 2012 47

    Chickenhead, “That sounds like just another military pork project.” The Master at his best. I’m not an expert on Islam but I do know that they believe if they touch pork before they die that they wont go to paradise. Deadly exploding pigs would definitely f up their day. Pass the bacon please.


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