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CSM Teresa King Suspended As Commandant of US Army’s Drill Sergeant School

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Here is something interesting, the first female commandant of the US Army’s Drill Sergeant School has been suspended pending an investigation that the Army has not disclosed the subject.  However, here is what I found most interesting from the Stars & Stripes article announcing her suspension:

King, 50, was appointed as the commandant of the drill sergeant school at Fort Jackson, S.C., in 2009 to the accompaniment of wide media attention. The daughter of a sharecropper who rose through the Army’s enlisted ranks, King had earned a reputation among her troops for stern discipline and an iron-fisted attention to detail.

A 2009 New York Times story on her appointment depicted her yelling at a soldier who dared to walk on a Fort Jackson lawn.

“Are you crazy,” she reportedly demanded. “Get off my grass!”

King told the Times in 2009 that she hadn’t been given a leg up for the Fort Jackson job because she is a woman, but said that as head of the school, she intended to promote more gender equity among drill sergeants.

“When I look in the mirror, I don’t see a female,” King said. “I see a soldier.”  [Stars & Stripes]

So CSM King says she wasn’t given a leg up for the CSM job because she was a woman but wants to promote gender equity?  If she believes the Army didn’t give her preferential treatment for the CSM job since she is a woman isn’t that what she should have wanted?  Here is that NY Times article and what I found even more interesting about it is that she was selected for the position despite never deploying to a combat zone despite being in the Army 29 years.  If you want to join the rumor mill on what she is being accused of This Ain’t Hell is the place to go.

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  • Glans
    4:53 am on December 21st, 2011 1

    I didn’t know an NCO could be a commandant.

  • Leon LaPorte
    5:04 am on December 21st, 2011 2

    They can also be detachment commanders. ;-)

  • Leon LaPorte
    5:05 am on December 21st, 2011 3

    I do wonder how many years of her career she was designated as an EO Rep. :roll:

  • GCON
    5:34 am on December 21st, 2011 4

    A leader who has never been to combat-give me a break, so many have been across the pond and led in combat…what gives??

  • Smitzsimmons
    5:40 am on December 21st, 2011 5

    She’s an alcoholic and was boinking a subordinate.

  • Leon LaPorte
    6:00 am on December 21st, 2011 6

    5. Male or female?

  • ChickenHead
    8:41 am on December 21st, 2011 7

    1. ______king is not good.

    a. Too much drin
    b. Subordinate fuc
    c. CSM
    d. all of the above

  • Fanwarrior
    4:30 pm on December 21st, 2011 8

    “but said that as head of the school, she intended to promote more gender equity among drill sergeants.

    “When I look in the mirror, I don’t see a female,” King said. “I see a soldier.” ”
    God I hate people like this. How about you just promote the best person for the job and not worry about whether or not they’re male or female and let the chips fall where there may.

  • kangaji
    4:45 pm on December 21st, 2011 9

    c. and d.

  • Denny
    5:18 pm on December 21st, 2011 10

    8 US soldiers charged in Chinese American soldier’s death

    http://news.yahoo.com/8-us-soldiers-charged-comrades-death-175616024.html

  • Hamilton
    5:28 pm on December 21st, 2011 11

    I take it Tom changed his name while I was away?

  • someotherguy
    6:18 pm on December 21st, 2011 12

    @1,

    The only school’s where the commandants are NCO’s are the NCOES’s and The Drill Sergent School.

    When I went to PLDC our commandant was an old CSM. The same as BNCOC, ANCOC and SGM’s Academy.

  • Thomas Lee
    6:32 pm on December 21st, 2011 13

    #10 – a guy kills himself, but others get charged for it…. that is nuts.

  • ChickenHead
    6:44 pm on December 21st, 2011 14

    Now is a good time to demonstrate her ideas on the promotion of gender equality.

    Using a position of power to facilitate a sexual relationship sound like rape.

  • Fanwarrior
    8:20 pm on December 21st, 2011 15

    #13 not nuts at all if others pushed him to do it.
    Interestingly enough the things we do to others has an effect on them.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    8:21 pm on December 21st, 2011 16

    CH – my guess is it will turn-out like this one:

    http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/09/yongsan-first-sergeant-convicted-in-adultery-case/

    Just hope that none of the dudes are driven to off themselves this time…

  • will
    8:31 pm on December 21st, 2011 17

    so what is the truth to her being Suspended. this has been in the news for over a week or so and its has been hush hush hush someone knows th truth.

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:33 pm on December 21st, 2011 18

    I might’ve hit it. :razz:

  • Thomas Lee
    8:33 pm on December 21st, 2011 19

    #15… c’mon…. NOBODY can force you to kill yourself. I have no sympathy for somebody that commits suicide. It’s the most selfish and cowardly act a human being can make.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    8:35 pm on December 21st, 2011 20

    Leon – in the back seat of the bullet-proofed Mercedes while flying the 4-star plackard?? :lol: :lol:

  • Fanwarrior
    8:43 pm on December 21st, 2011 21

    #19 you’re right. Psychological warfare is an utter myth, it’s a good thing no university has ever dedicated entire departments to education on the subject.

  • Steven
    10:58 pm on December 21st, 2011 22

    I just can’t believe how much hate I am reading on here. So the woman didn’t deploy. I have deployed twice in the past three years, and Ill tell you, she is probably quite a bit more qualified to train brand new soldiers than any of the leaders I saw on deployment. Many people go on deployments and sit there, especially in the last 4 years, even in rough places. They sit there!! There are many important missions in the army, and hers is equally important. I am headed to be a drill sergeant after two deployments, and I hope that CSM King is there to train me, because when it comes to training soldiers, she knows that mission. Its good that she is a woman in that post because diversity is always a good thing. Many times women make extremely effective leaders, more so than men, commanding a different level of respect from a mostly male force. Now: I am a man, I just finished my second deployment, I am not a hater, and Im trying to train and learn from everyone I can to make it to CSM kings level. We all make mistakes, Im sure everyone on here “hating” has, so no one is perfect. Its unfortunate that she is under investigation, but no one knows the circumstances. After all, she has many haters, like you all on this page, after her position. Good luck to you all, while your bitching, Ill be training with people like CSM King and trying to get there! Good luck CSM King, and I hope to see you when I get there!

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:59 pm on December 21st, 2011 23

    I’d hit it, back off, wack off, and hit it twice again. Then bury it in the desert along with the others. :lol:

    http://idhititlike.tumblr.com/

  • ChickenHead
    11:57 pm on December 21st, 2011 24

    “I’ll be training with people like CSM King and trying to get there!”

    If you want training in drinking, funckin, and treating women special, go to a nightclub.

  • Son of Anarchy
    12:33 am on December 22nd, 2011 25

    She knows her grass, too Steve!!!!! :lol:

  • guitard
    3:11 am on December 22nd, 2011 26

    Steven wrote:

    So the woman didn’t deploy.

    For crying out loud…you know the reason that people have made an issue of this isn’t just that she hasn’t deployed – it’s because she’s been in the Army for 29 years – and has never deployed.

    I don’t know of a single person who has been the Army for the last ten years who has not deployed. Heck – most soldiers deploy within their first few years of service.

    So how is it possible that this woman has gone 29 loooooooooooooong years without ever deploying???

    That was a rhetorical question – no answer necessary.

  • kcbill06
    5:24 am on December 22nd, 2011 27

    Gee Steve, ever kiss ass much?

  • Innocent Bystander
    5:52 am on December 22nd, 2011 28

    #23: Gotta say Leon…I enjoy you posts for the most part…except articles that involve woman. Don’t know if you’re this perverse in real life, but it’s akin to watching Randy West in a porn movie (fast forward :arrow: next scene).

  • Bill
    6:24 am on December 22nd, 2011 29

    Her story isn’t really all that unusual in the least. People like her have become extremely adept at knowing how to play the system for maximum rewards. I see all the time in government service. A ‘minority’ (black, Asian, latino, whatever) female that doesn’t perform very well (if at all), sits back, does nothing and complains constantly. When their supervisor gives them a bad rating or anything else even remotely close to a reprimand, they begin screaming sexual discrimation, sexual harrassment, or even throw out the race card, and their supervisor usually backs off. If they don’t bvack off, then the person files a grievance followed by a lawsuit, which the government will quickly settle out-of-court for $50K, since it is far cheaper than fighting it in court even if they win. No idea about “today’s military” or private sector, but within the government I see at least every month, if not more often. AND, quite often these ‘people’, also wind up using that leverage to get promotions to spots they don’t desrve or are qualified for, simply so their supervisor doesn’t have to deal with them anymore. And in turn, this means that the government is full of people like her leading projects, divisions, etc. over truly qualified people who know what they are doing. In a way, it is truly a microcosm of everyday American life.

  • Teadrinker
    6:42 am on December 22nd, 2011 30

    #15,

    Nah, the prosecutors are simply padding the case, making sure they get the maximum sentence if they are convicted. Had they only charged them with hazing, the judge would be more inclined to lessen the sentence.

  • CandiceThomjpson
    8:52 am on December 22nd, 2011 31

    :sad: I am very saddend to hear about Csm King she was an outstanding NCO!!! She was what that drill sergeant school needed, and still needs everyone is coming down on her so hard and dont know the wholoe story. I think that its just unloyal, hateful and hypocritical. Real Nco’s are suppose to encourage, guide, teach and be an example. So flipping what if she has not deployed is that bothering you seriously?! Get a life !!!!

  • ChickenHead
    10:34 am on December 22nd, 2011 32

    “Real Nco’s are suppose to encourage, guide, teach and be an example.”

    CandiceThomjpson,

    I don’t know her.

    Here is what I have heard about her.

    In an Army where so many make great personal sacrifices in multiple deployments, she didn’t even try.

    In an Army where merit is more important than equality, she was interested in manufacturing equality and rewarding gender rather than ability.

    Her educational background is a scam… a complete scam.

    1. an Associate’s degree in General Studies from Northern Virginia Community College… extended high school.

    2. a Master’s degree in Business Management from Almeda College… a well-known diploma mill that issues unaccredited degrees based on “life experience”… the possession of which is a warning sign of someone scamming a system

    3. a Doctorate of Divinity with the American Institute of Holistic Theology… another well-known unaccredited scam institution that skirts licensing laws by offering religious degrees such as theology, parapsychic science, and metaphysics… all distance learning and all under one year.

    Anybody with this track record of “education” is scamming somebody… especially if they get more pay or promotions from these completely bogus degrees.

    Those are pretty specific things not to like. They need to be countered with some pretty specific good points…

    …and “outstanding” or “qualified” doesn’t cut it.

  • Leon LaPorte
    3:32 pm on December 22nd, 2011 33

    23. Thanks IB! You seem to think I’m perverse but I don’t know who Randy West is. You really seem to know your porn! :lol:

    Merry X-mas.

  • Leon LaPorte
    3:36 pm on December 22nd, 2011 34

    32. A Doctorate of Divinity with the American Institute of Holistic Theology? Holy crap Chickenman! Do you suppose they taught her to bend spoons or trans-mutate wafers into flesh of a sub-god or even speak in tongues?

    Hmmm. Speak in tongues might be interesting under the right circumstances. :razz:

    /fast forward Randy West

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    4:02 pm on December 22nd, 2011 35

    Oh well…too slow on the uptake…I was going to ask if the American Institute of Holistic Theology was Leon’s alma mater since we’ve seen he’s such a theologian… :roll:

  • Retired GI --- in the PI
    7:20 pm on December 22nd, 2011 36

    An interesting read on this bogus CSM. Why is her never deploying a problem? I’ll tell you why. 29 frigging YEARS :!: and never deployed tells me she is a BS NCO who VERY likely spent 20 of those years as an EO rep ONLY. As for Steve—he will go far indeed, in the military. That was some royal ass kissing he did. For the individual that said to get a life if her NEVER deploying in 29 frigging YEARS bothered anyone — well suger buns, I had that life and working on a second one. I know a bogus NCO when i read about one. The only fact I need is that she never deployed. That says volums. But the military got to kill two birds with one stone with her. A black and a female. In this PC world, it couldn’t resist.

    As for the Chen kid. The way I see it, the ones responsible for his death are — ONE, his own self. As he died by his own hand. I have zero respect for that act and condem him for it. Only a worthless individual would kill himself. How do I know? He, himself found that he was not worth living another day. I agree with his judgement of himself. He was not worth another MRE. I also blame his parents, for raising such a child. If it was that bad, he should have kicked someone’s ass. They have to sleep sometime. Instead, he shoots himself. Yeah, that was a very respectable act, Loser.
    No self respect. No love for family. A Loser.

    Now I must prepare for Christmas with my little brown honey and her father that likes to drink vodka and mango juice with me.

    The Army has a long dark future ahead. So glad to have retired from it.

  • Mary
    7:58 pm on December 22nd, 2011 37

    :twisted: 29 years and no deployments!!! my husband has 9 in and had 4 deployments (3 to iraq) from 2003 – 2008,,,,now WTF!!!! I can’t complain we should just find another job other than the ARMY!!!! :idea:

  • setnaffa
    8:41 pm on December 22nd, 2011 38

    EVERYONE knows what is what in this case. The CSM is every bit as qualified to train others NCOs as I am. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Oh, wait, I’m not. Well, that explains part of why she was fired; but they probably had to catch her in a felony to do it…

  • ChickenHead
    10:48 pm on December 22nd, 2011 39

    Retired GI — in the PI’

    If her father is not young enough to be your son…

    …yer doin’ it wrong.

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:51 pm on December 22nd, 2011 40

    35. You gotta be pretty quick around here! :lol:

    I’m actually quite knowledgable on the subject of theology, from which evoolved my beliefs but alas I do not pocess a degree from the fine institution you mention. Maybe in another life. :lol: :lol:

    But I will let you in on a little secret: I’m a legally ordained minister and can perform such things as marriages etc. Sorry, not going to divulge which sect. :razz:

    I think we all know how Mrs, (Ms. ?) King got to where she is.

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:53 pm on December 22nd, 2011 41

    Well I accidentally submitted before I was done. Lord give me an edit button… and bless Tebow. I’m a terrible typist.

    35. You gotta be pretty quick around here! :lol:

    I’m actually quite knowledgeable on the subject of theology, from which evolved my beliefs but alas I do not possess a degree from the fine institution you mention. Maybe in another life. :lol: :lol:

    But I will let you in on a little secret: I’m a legally ordained minister and can perform such things as marriages etc. Sorry, not going to divulge which sect. :razz:

    ——-

    I think we all know how Mrs, (Ms. ?) King got to where she is.

  • ChickenHead
    11:54 pm on December 22nd, 2011 42

    Praise, Reverend Leon!

    May the universe bring you life.

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:21 am on December 23rd, 2011 43

    That’s Right Honourable Reverend Leon.

    …and you know the cut of my jib sir, well played.

    Do what’s right! ;-)

  • AudieMember
    3:31 pm on December 24th, 2011 44

    First of all, how did Fort Bragg let her be responsible for the HQ’s? She hasn’t deployed “ducked” to combat. Secondly, RETIRE HER!!! She is a huge part of the “TOXIC LEADERSHIP” we have today. My NCOs are the very best and live the Army Values!! Opera screwed up and chose CSM King, why? To be PC? What a joke, anyway bust her and retire her. We at Fort Wainwright, Alaska love this drama, but it does go to show you that every dog or bitch has its day….

  • Retired GI --- in the PI
    6:22 pm on December 26th, 2011 45

    ChickenHead — he is IF I go an early start at say mid teens. ;-) Leon — I too, am ordained. Cost was so low I couldn’t resist, but it’s legal! I’m rained in at Calbayog. Boat ride was better than a rollercoster ride. :lol:

    I say we bust the Bogus CSM down to her EO panties and ship her out to Kuwait for a couple of years — as a Cook, rank of E1. I knew a few like her — sadly. Look good on paper and have everyone fooled. But than again, it isn’t difficult to fool the Army.

    Hard working and better qualified NCO’s get passed over to make room for those who look good for the almighty PC. PC Stupidity has a price and the Army will pay later. :|

  • kangaji
    8:27 pm on December 26th, 2011 46

    Along with the PC aspect and the degrees, I’m guessing certain people game the promotion point system? Also, wondering about how they game the NCOER process to beat out people with actual deployments…

  • ChickenHead
    9:39 pm on December 26th, 2011 47

    Kangaji,

    Her fake degrees… and they are unquestionably fake… sound like fraud that resulted in direct financial gain… no different than BAH fraud or shoplifting.

    I wonder if “noslack” still applies.

  • Tom Langley
    12:18 am on December 27th, 2011 48

    With the repeal of DADT in the near future we will have a Black or Hispanic female lesbian CSM’s all over the place who are as worthless as teats on a bull but who will be untouchable. I thank the good Lord that I have retired. Retired GI, your in the PI and have a brown honey and are drinking vodka & mango juice with the young lady’s dad. You lucky Mike Foxtrot. Do they have good reefer there? I’m stuck here in Bowling Green, KY but if things work out my wife is going to get us a place in Cambodia and I’ll be doing the same thing as you. Be careful, I read that recently a retired US military member was robbed & killed there.

  • Guitard
    3:31 am on December 27th, 2011 49

    Not so fast there Tom. Don’t forget that in Service Support units, there is already a well entrenched legion of Caucasian lesbian CSMs in place.

  • ZeGrammarNazi
    4:56 pm on December 27th, 2011 50

    @SomeOtherGuy
    Let me fix this tragedy of grammar for you.

    The only schools where the commandants are NCOs are the NCOES, and The Drill Sergent School.

    When I went to PLDC, our commandant was an old CSM. The same as BNCOC, ANCOC, and SGM’s Academy.

    I understand your love of the apostrophe. Who doesn’t love the little guy? But your incessant denial of the comma is shameful.

    Your points are now invalid! Sieg Heil!

  • ChickenHead
    7:25 pm on December 27th, 2011 51

    Hmmm.

    As this is mostly quick and casual discussion, quickly typed in a moment of free time, unless the topic involves education, it is rather bad form to pick at things like spelling and grammar… especially over content.

    Someother guy has a long history of issues with there, their, and they’re… as well as s/’s… and his writing would benefit from a bit of attention to that… but it should always be a friendly mention rather than ridicule… unless, of course, the topic is education.

    I might add… your use of the serial comma is certainly classier (in my opinion)… but optional in this case… ergo, not a real correction.

    In the end, be aware that we all make constant mistakes… and those who are quick to bring notice to them, unless the topic is education, are begging for bad attention.

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:54 pm on December 27th, 2011 52

    So, commas make you free?

  • Lemmy
    1:06 am on December 28th, 2011 53

    From Wikipedia:
    “King was married once but divorced with no living children. She has an online Master’s degree in Business Management from Almeda College, an Associate’s degree in General Studies from Northern Virginia Community College and is pursuing an online Doctorate of Divinity with the American Institute of Holistic Theology”

    King is a typical US Army “bad idea.” Truely, an idiodic decision generally made in the course of a drunken stuper. Of course the idiot that put her in the position will laugh about it over another set of scotch and cigars.

    For the less experienced – this happens all of the time…. with the most famous Soldier of Color, former SMA(but reduced to MSG) Gene McKinney.

  • Lemmy
    1:19 am on December 28th, 2011 54

    Got to love those ONLINE DEGREES!

    Holistic Theology, what is that about? Are they the ones that used the triangle pyramids on George Costanza in Seinfeld?

    I have absolutly no respect for an online degree and if someone puts a resume in front of me that reads summa cum laude from some podunk online university, I would simply reject the applicant out of spite.

  • Retired GI --- still --- in the PI
    5:25 am on December 28th, 2011 55

    @ Tom Langley, Yeah I had a great time. Untill we left the island and the storm hit. But that’s the breaks. Missed by return flight by an hour :x . United Airlines would not or could not reschedule. Last time I book with United :evil: . Christmas was expensive this year after buying yet another ticket. But Philipine Air will take me through LA rather than Chicago.
    In regards to the warning, It seems a retired GI or Marine gets taken out at least once a year here in the PI. One was stabbed to death in front of my hotel in Angeles city back in 2009. That is why I only travel with my girl and her three sisters :grin: . They are small indeed but all four of them could kick some ass if anyone tried to hurt the meal ticket :lol: . A man has to know his limitations ;-) .

  • JFisher
    6:34 am on December 28th, 2011 56

    Retired GI#55: Thanks for your posting. I am living my life
    vicariously through you!

  • JoeC
    11:46 am on December 28th, 2011 57

    #55

    Been to Samar several times. Only did the ferry and bus route once many years ago. Not again.

    Due to frequent and unpredictable tropical storms, and the number of ferry tragedies I’ve read about, domestic flights are also faster and more reliable because they get through the weather lulls. I still have pictures of the flooded areas I drove through from the Catarman airport when I was there last January. For that reason, I also allow for delays by scheduling my return flight from Samar several days before my return flight from the Philippines.

    Lesson #2

    Once you’ve made friends and acquaintances, think twice about returning over the Christmas holidays, or all you’ll hear is, “Where’s my gift!!” That’s why my trip to the Philippines is next week … and I’ll stay on Luzon.

  • Darin
    10:22 pm on December 28th, 2011 58

    CSM King received her Masters Degree from Almeda College. Look them up. Almeda is a is a diploma mill where you pay money and they will send you a degree, transcript, and a nice plaque. My twin brother has one of their degrees. He tried to use it to get him a teaching job overseas… didn’t work. He paid several hundred dollars for this fake degree too. She wants to obtain a Doctoral degree from the Insitute of Holistic Theology next… I worked hard for my education and it makes me sick to see someone get credit where credit does not belong.

  • ChickenHead
    10:38 pm on December 28th, 2011 59

    Darin,

    Go back and read post 32.

    This woman is a fraud. If she benefitted from these fake degrees, she is a criminal.

  • Darin
    10:41 pm on December 28th, 2011 60

    Thanks… sad to see. I spent 16 years Air Force and my last 4 years Army… so many good, hard working people passed over for people who do not deserve credit. I hope somebody notifies Oprah ….

  • someotherguy
    11:41 pm on December 28th, 2011 61

    Hmm I know a few technical MOS’s, mostly Signal, that you can do 20 in and not be deployed, at no fault of your own. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen. A few years back I knew the proponent of my MOS and he as an SFC who hadn’t deployed. Spent his entire career going from operational assignment to operational assignment in LCC’s, DOIMS, NOSCs, and other support facilities. Was promoted to MSG and eventually retired a few years later, good guy just never placed in a deployment unit. Heck that pretty much happened to me, went from LCC / DOIM to MMC to a G6 staff element. I didn’t stay in much longer so who knows what my next assignment would of been, might of been to a tactical unit, most likely would of been to some strategic unit support communications systems.

    That all being said, I can guarantee that didn’t happen here. She had to of actively avoided positions that would of had her deploy. I’m thinking she stayed in the TRADOC world going from one training center to another as some sort of admin clerk then eventually trainer.

  • Vince
    1:36 am on December 29th, 2011 62

    #22 “….diversity is always a good thing….”

    Says it all. Right there.

  • Retired GI --- soon to leave the PI
    1:44 am on December 29th, 2011 63

    JFisher, glad to be of service ;-) . JoeC you are so right. I informed my LBH that while I thought her island and family were lovely, I would never, never ever spend the night on her island again. I made a great meal or two for the local insect population. I’m just not that tough it seems. I also heard the “where is my gift” quote and a request for money to buy a “boat :!:” once. I will have to look for that “money tree” that I am supposed to have, when I return home. Your lession about leaving more time for return timing will be given greater attention next time as well. I believe the next trip will be to Boracay with her in tow. Have a good trip to Luzon. I fly in 6 hours!

  • 1SG (R)
    2:58 pm on December 29th, 2011 64

    NCOs command the NCO Professional Develepment schools.

  • Burma Bob
    4:18 pm on December 29th, 2011 65

    I really do wonder how much of this has to do with the rather cheesy academic attainments she purchased. There are far more credible places to buy a degree! I’m really surprised she made it so far with a fake master’s degree.

  • 25B3O
    10:18 am on December 31st, 2011 66

    Sounds like a bunch of whiny white men relishing and exploiting the opportunity to bash a high ranking NCO, who happens to be black and female.

    You all can gig her about her “online” degrees. At least she exercised some effort to acquire them, despite their questionable validity. I bet most of you all haven’t even exercised any initiative to pursue an education. And the racial trolls here who have, probably got their degree from a diploma mill vis-a-vis American Military University, American Public University, or some legit university who put a satellite office in the Ed Center. Who do you think you are fooling?

    Fair is fair. Although I hate the idea that you all are bashing this NCO for no other reason than her race and gender (what would one expect in an Army laden with working class, blue collar, so called Republicans?), I do share your contempt of a senior NCO who has not deployed to a combat zone. Trust me, I hate having to agree with you all on this issue. But is it is a legitimate gripe and would have bolstered your legitimacy of your criticism had you focused on that point instead of her education, race and gender.

    You all truly suck.

  • ChickenHead
    11:37 am on December 31st, 2011 67

    “You all can gig her about her “online” degrees. At least she exercised some effort to acquire them, despite their questionable validity.”

    Writing a check requires… uh… not much effort.

    Their validity is not “questionable”. They are unquestionably invalid.

    But you did catch us on one thing.

    We don’t care about actions. We only care about race and gender around here.

    We HATE black females but we would never dream of saying anything bad about a white male no matter what he did.

    That’s why, years later, we continue to harshly criticize that nigga biatch, Leon LePorte.

    We also were against the Army’s black beret and we hate the black plague.

  • 25B30
    3:43 pm on December 31st, 2011 68

    Personal attacks are the hallmark of someone who cannot find a valid reason to criticize her.

    You mock her. But your words betray you and put your professionalism (or lack thereof) in question. If you are an NCO (God, I hope not), then you are the a great example of why the NCO Corp is eroding.

    Do the Army and future recruits a favor, and ETS.

    Loser

  • Dragonfly
    4:00 pm on December 31st, 2011 69

    25B30: Sooo, you’re in favor of attaining rank and position via bogus credentials? Doesn’t that sort of invalidate the rank and position if those credentials were used in attaining said rank/position?

  • Retired GI
    5:20 pm on December 31st, 2011 70

    Never deployed in 29 years has been what I have a problem with from the very beginning. I consider that to be a very VALID REASON TO CRITICIZER HER.
    However,I am quite pleased that you decided to had your racist centered rant. It proves beyond any doubt what I have been saying here for the past few years. That being that if you criticizer a BLACK or other non-white, or ANY female of ANY race you are given the label of racist / sexist.

    I thank you for proving my point. I submit that you and those like you are the reason for the eroding of the NCO Corp. The reason is obvious, but I will put it into words. It is all about race for you. You are not ABLE to move beyond it and therefore you are a racist yourself.

    But not to worry! There is good news for you. The Army is so PC these days that any worthless POS can get promoted, providing they are NOT white. The Army fears your finger pointing. You will go far indeed!

    The ideal example from my past was a young Sergeant who is Anglo and had an African wife. A young female African Private tried to pull the RACE CARD on him (just as you did here), surprize surprize right. Well, he pulled out his wedding picture, which was evidence of her piss poor racist attitude (just as your post is evidence of your piss poor racist attitude) which is so deeply ingrained in most blacks assigned to support units of the Army today.

    I really look forward to your racist retort. It will serve as further evidence that I’m correct. Again, I thank you. I believe that ROK DROP is read by a rather large and diverse group of individuals. I need you to provide further evidence of my correctness for their reading.

  • Tom Langley
    8:07 pm on December 31st, 2011 71

    To see what this is all about let me quote from the story “King, 50 was appointed as the commandant of the drill sergeant school at Ft Jackson, S.C. TO THE ACCOMPANIMENT OF WIDE MEDIA ATTENTION.” If she didn’t give a rats piper about race or gender she would have told all the media to get the foxtrot out. She didn’t so… I know there are numerous NCO’s who have deployed numerous times but SHE get chosen to be the drill sergeant school commandant? Give me a f’ing brake. Is there anybody reading this who really thinks that her race & gender didn’t have something to do with her being appointed as commandant either has never been in the military or is refusing to face reality. This is not criticism of her race or gender. It is a criticism of trying to force diversity but affirmative action of less qualified individuals for promotions & assignments.

  • setnaffa
    8:21 pm on December 31st, 2011 72

    In post 66, 25B30 calls us all racist white gays. In post 68, 25B30 points out that he/she is a “loser” for making ad hominem attacks against us and the recently relieved commander.

    All I can think is that they need professional counseling for their unresolved anger and homophobia.

    Relevant quotes:

    #66: “Sounds like a bunch of whiny white men relishing and exploiting the opportunity to bash a high ranking NCO, who happens to be black and female.

    You all truly suck.”

    #68: “Personal attacks are the hallmark of someone who cannot find a valid reason to criticize her.

    [signed] Loser”

  • Bill Beatty
    5:29 am on January 1st, 2012 73

    @Steven, 22, you’re hillarious. You are joking right?????

  • 25B3O
    6:37 am on January 1st, 2012 74

    Dragonfly said: 25B30: Sooo, you’re in favor of attaining rank and position via bogus credentials? Doesn’t that sort of invalidate the rank and position if those credentials were used in attaining said rank/position?

    Your question is a classic straw man. As an NCO who did it the right way, I do not support attaining rank by unfair/fraudulent means. You cannot infer that from my previous statements. Further, many “brick and mortar” universities grant credits for life experience. In fact, this is how many service members attain college credits via SOCAD.

    I suspect this is how CSM King receive her credits, because Almeda College has a similar program.

    What is bogus about Northern Virginia Community college?

  • 25B3O
    6:50 am on January 1st, 2012 75

    Retired GI: Why don’t you go back and read my original post. Reading is fundamental. I explicitly stated that her lack of deployments is a valid criticism.

    My response is not a rant. Don’t attempt to turn this around. I will not allow you to do that. Again, READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. Read the vitriol of your fellow haters and reconsider your assertion. It is stupid of you to assume that one will brand you a racist for criticizing someone of color. However, derogatory statements such as Posts: 29, 32, 44, 48, 53 lead me to believe there is always a racial resentment whether it is latent or explicit.

    I am not here to convince you or to tell you to shut up. You can say whatever you like. However, don’t get your panties in a bunch when I call you out on your bullshit, and accuse me of playing the race card.

    Call it the way I see it. And the way I see it is that white male so arrogant to believe that whenever they achieve rank, that they did it on merit, 100% of the time. But whenever a “minority” achieves rank, he/she must be scrutinized, because they are apt to “gaming the system.”

    I wasn’t born last night. I am fully aware of your (white male, blue-collar, conservative beliefs/stereotypes).

    I am sure there are a plenty of white male CSM’s who have degrees from dubious online institutions, but I don’t see you all scrutinizing them?

    Save you diatribe about the race card. I am not convinced.

  • ChickenHead
    8:04 am on January 1st, 2012 76

    25B3O did a fantastic job of deflecting attention away from fraudulent education and 29 years of avoiding difficult soldiering…

    …and did everything possible to blame the sour taste in everyone’s mouth on race, sex, and rank.

    “I suspect this is how CSM King receive her credits, because Almeda College has a similar program.”

    Of course Almeda College does. That’s what Almeda College is there for. That’s ALL Almeda College is there for.

    It seems to be suggesting Almeda College is not a well-know diploma mill assisting in the perpetuation of educational fraud… generally for financial gain such as education-based pay raises and promotions.

    Perhaps it is unaware of this thing we call “Google”.

    Perhaps its lack of judgement extends across both educational institutions and character evaluation.

  • kangaji
    10:32 am on January 1st, 2012 77

    I think the consensus on ROKDrop is that the army has toxic leaders because in the long term the quality people get disgusted with 똥가방 being promoted over political BS or they just get tired of the games.

    Personally, the type of person that really makes me angry in the army is someone who games the profile system AND is able to get promoted — and then retire with more money because they run a disability scam.

    And then *shock* congress starts talking about reforming the retirement system because all these disability claims + retirement cost too much.

  • Dragonfly
    1:28 pm on January 1st, 2012 78

    25B: Yes, but you are supporting someone who appears to have achieved a rank and position by using questionable educational degrees. So, can I infer that even though you don’t support bogus diplomas, you do support those individuals who use them to their advantage? As an NCO who “did it the right way”, I’m sure you don’t. It’s just a rhetorical question anyway.

    But, getting back to basics, if she were such an outstanding example of the NCO corps, why was she relieved of command? It would seem her Doctorate of Divinity would have guided her away from making the types of mistakes that led to her suspension. Oh well, I can remember seeing a lot of “evangelists” on TV asking forgiveness from their spouses, congregations, and God for screwing up. And some of them actually went to real schools of divinity. So I guess someone with a holeasstic degree can’t be held to a very high standard.

  • JoeC
    3:36 pm on January 1st, 2012 79

    I have no idea how the Army applies off duty education towards promotion, but if it just checks off on a person’s reported degree without verifying the accreditation of the source of the degree it seems to me that’s more a problem with the system than the person exploiting it.

    Are you saying she is smarter than the Army?

  • Retired GI
    4:04 pm on January 1st, 2012 80

    25B30, so glad you did not make me wait so long. You say that reading is fundamental? That’s true. You should try it!

    You tell me that lack of ANY deployments IS a valid criticism. But then you say; “read the vitrial of (My) fellow “haters”. Which is it? Do I have a valid point or am I simply a “hater”? If I am a “hater” than how can I have a valid point? Are we ALL “haters” here? If we are, then it is obvious that you believe this because we are “white” and the bogus NCO is black. Which makes you a Race Card waving Racist. Which also proves what I have been saying here for nearly 5 years. Thank you! You can not treat a black female in the Army as you do a white male. There is no equality. Equality is not wanted by “minorities”. What “minorities” want, and often get is “preferential treatment”. I too, was not born yesterday and I saw this happen year after year after year. CSM King is just the most obvious case of a Bogus NCO who did not earn her own way. The Army has many more like her on the way. I have known a few of them. I am delighted to be retired because more of this is on the way.

    Now, you said the following: “call it the way I see it. And the way I see it is that white male so arrogant to believe that whenever they achieve rank, that they did it on merit, 100% of the time. But whenever a “minority” achieves rank he/she must be scrunized, because they are apt to be “gaming the system”.

    Good grammer by the way. But I make plenty of mistakes as well so I’m not going to throw stones! You sound like a pacific islander to me. Female too.
    Here is the deal. I’m not here to convince you either. I’m here to expose your thinking process and obvious racism. The quote from you above is evidence of that racism. You are soooo hung up on the “white male” that you forget you are defending an obviously Bogus NCO. It happens in the ARMY every day.
    If a white male treats a black female the same as he does a white male, there will be no end to the trouble coming his way. There is not and never has been any “equality”. Never will be either. Political Correctness demands Preferential Treatment. It isn’t equal, but that is the way it is. Been this way since the 90s began.

    YOU get upset because the truth is coming out. This causes you to put your racism on display, right here, for all to read. Thank you, yet again, for proving my point. I hope that many will read this and someone in a position of power will at least go “hummmm”.

    I had a female Company Commander in Korea once (later my Battalion CO) who earned my respect with one action. She called a formation of the Females in the company and told them that she knew what they did to “game their male leaders.” She told them that it would stop ASAP. My dike friend told me about it. This female CO had MANY EO complaints the next day. She didn’t care because she now had all the male leadership on her side. I’m still on her side. She did it right. I know a bogus NCO when I read about one and CSM King is worthless at best. There are MANY MORE just like her coming up the chain. Have fun Troops!

  • ChickenHead
    11:35 pm on January 1st, 2012 81

    Q: What is old, black, and toxic… has never been in combat… and isn’t nearly as sharp as people think?

    A:

    http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/3325587/2/stock-photo-3325587-broken-thermometer.jpg

  • Dragonfly
    2:01 am on January 2nd, 2012 82

    25B: There’s nothing at all wrong with Northern Virginia CC. It’s the largest college system in Virginia, 75,000 students on six campuses. Community Colleges provide an invaluable service in the educational chain in the US. I’m sorry if I cast any dispersions on NVCC or any other CC. It was not my intent.

  • Glans
    2:48 am on January 2nd, 2012 83

    Dragonfly, if you have to cast dispersions, use pepper spray. It’s the modern way.

  • Ret NCO
    1:24 pm on January 2nd, 2012 84

    Think about the CSM you most respected or entrusted during your career, then apply the “facts” of a recent news story, as they have been provided so far from various news articles and from official photo’s…….

    29 years of active military service without any combat time. Good AA degree, but fake Masters Degree, possibly fake Bachelors degree from same school and working on a fake Doctorate degree. Was the First Sergeant of the XVIII AIRBORNE CORPS HQ Company, with NO Jumpmaster wings. No problem in degrading soldiers before the press (…”are you crazy” comment).

    No matter what color, race, sex, religious beliefs, or mental disability, this just does not look right from any perspective. Wrong is wrong, this definitely wrong.

    To further the above…..a few years ago the Army proactively screened every soldiers record for deployments because it was burning out the force with deployments. Every soldier who had not deployed, ever or within the previous 2-3 years was to be reassigned to a deployable unit….what happened here?????

    Good Associate degree, but everything beyond that is bogus…..where was the personnel folks who were to be screening this? Degrees are not required for promotion to SNCO ranks, but as everyone know, they definitely carry immense weight. Wonder how this would get through?????

    Local policy at Bragg used to be all First Sergeants and CSM’s had to be Jumpmaster qualified, but not necessarily current in said duties. In an Airborne unit NCO’s used to be expected to lead from the front, this included being at a minimum qualified to perform the duties of a Jumpmaster. Hmm, what happened here???

    And lastly, would any self-respecting NCO embarrass a troop, let alone a new to the Army soldier in basic training with an “are you crazy” comment, which is derogatory in manner, in front of reporters? Last I checked, this is one of the things they are supposed to teach you in Drill Sergeant school, how to correct, encourage and train soldiers in a manner and to get them to excel and achieve, not put them down, especially in front of the press. Again, what happened here??????

    Valid points for anyone to ask… Why has this CSM never deployed in over 10 years of sustained combat? How did this CSM get phony degrees into the system/personnel records? Could it have been because this CSM was in the personnel field and received favors? Why was it okay for this CSM to verbally mistreat a subordinate? Why hasn’t the Army released any further information?

    Lack of information only leads to the belief of a cover up. If not a cover up, then the Army is doing her no favors by not releasing more information.

    Remember the beginning of the tirade? Still thinking about the CSM you most respected or entrusted during your career? Would you tolerate this from that CSM? If you’re a true soldier, your answer should be a loud and resounding NO! Any CSM, SGM, 1SG or any NCO for that matter, that has exhibited this type of conduct needs to be tossed out on their Alpha Sierra Sierra.

    That this just happens to be CSM King, the first female Commandant of the Drill Sergeant school and just happens to be black has absolutely nothing to do with it. This is about NCO conduct, and from appearances, this person needs to be tossed out on her Alpha Sierra Sierra as well.
    If she is innocent of any wrong doing, then I truly hope the Army officially states so very soon.

    And one last non-related point….not everyone is an English major, this is a forum to share points of view, if its typed in a manner to which the point gets a across, good enough! If you really are so proficient in the English language, go to work at your local high school or community college where your skills are really needed and appreciated.

  • JFisher
    6:17 pm on January 2nd, 2012 85

    RetNCO: First of all I am hoping Ret is for Retention NCO, my
    Career Mgmt Field for the last 10 years of my svc. You would be
    a clear example of our outstanding NCOs with that MOS in my opinion.

    I can not imagine anyone not seeing the logic of your opinion
    that you laid out so well. To me that should cap off this issue based on what is known so far.

  • kangaji
    7:43 pm on January 2nd, 2012 86

    Doesn’t this lead to the question of How many Captains, Majors, and Colonels rushed through a non-accredited online degree program?

  • Guitard
    7:50 pm on January 2nd, 2012 87

    @86: I don’t think so, because getting an advanced degree is built into the field grade officers’ education system. And I’m sure the universities from which they receive these degrees are accredited.

  • Ole Tanker
    8:14 pm on January 2nd, 2012 88

    #86 GUITARD is right, Officers get their degree before they are commissioned, the normal way.

    I believe there may be some animosity between West Pointers, and VMI’ers etc who work hard in a Military environment as opposed to the guy who took easy street doing ROTC for 4 years partying and still getting their commission. :cool:

    Most NCO’s like King heard about the “easy” way to get a degree when they made NCO and wanted a quick way to get ahead. :cool:

    If you don’t know, it is very hard for a Combat Arms soldier to get a degree at a normal college. Between going to the field, normal duty, and PCS’ing, getting the credits is very difficult. On top of that the Courses offered at most posts are limited, I believe a “Criminal Justice” degree is most common because MP’s are everywhere. :cool: Go figure. :cool:

  • Ole Tanker
    8:17 pm on January 2nd, 2012 89

    #86, In reference to Field Grade Officers, the Army pays for them to go to University, FULLTIME!! To get their advanced degrees. They sure as hell don’t do that for many enlisted folks. :cry:

  • guitard
    8:28 pm on January 2nd, 2012 90

    As an enlisted Infantry guy, you just have to take advantage of that rare assignment (working range control, reserve unit adviser, etc.) where you don’t have to go to the field. If and when you ever get one of those assignments – and you don’t take full advantage of it – it’s your bad – not the Army’s.

  • Vince
    8:39 pm on January 2nd, 2012 91

    Good grief. I can’t believe that that commo guy pulled the race card on this… All I see is a senior NCO with no deployments who has questionable degrees and some smoke which indicates there might be a fire.

    Yeah. There ARE a lot of people who have race issues here. We’re sick and tired of people getting moved ahead based not on their character and performance, but in spite of it- usually has to do with their plumbing and/or their melanin.

    Sometimes it has to do with other unseen hand organizations which seem to play a part in assignments and promotions in the Army.

    If that doesn’t make all of us who wear or have worn the uniform pissed off, it should. Especially after people were beaten and tortured during the civil rights struggle.

    Character. It means something. If this senior NCO is guilty, then hammer her. If she isn’t, once the facts are out, we ought to be able to see who is pushing his or her own agenda.

  • Ole Tanker
    8:58 pm on January 2nd, 2012 92

    Vince.

    Character is what it is all about! How many folks take the hard way? Infantry, Armor, FA etc?

    How many people take the easy way? Supply, PAC clerk, etc?

    Now question? What percent of the American population is African American?

    Take a look at an photo of an Infantry unit in Afghanistan or Iraq, how many are minorities?

    I have yet to see one that reflects the percentages in our society.

    Now take a look at a unit photo of a rear echelon unit.

    What percent are minorities?

    60-70%!!

    Who’s gaming the system?? :cool:

  • Ole Tanker
    9:11 pm on January 2nd, 2012 93

    http://www.google.com/imgres?q=air+force+unit+picture+controversy&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1117&bih=678&tbm=isch&tbnid=qroXHFMJt91YcM:&imgrefurl=http://militarygear.com/asp/2011/12/14/casket-controversy/&docid=Z8YKBBWj3DilWM&imgurl=http://militarygear.com/asp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/121311af_photo_800.jpg&w=800&h=533&ei=tX4CT7eiMtCUtwe4me3PBg&zoom=1

    or:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?q=infantry+unit+afghanistan&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1117&bih=678&tbm=isch&tbnid=G1Nvo10XCJwgeM:&imgrefurl=http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/12-paratroopers.html&docid=ih3Cvdaz0s1N3M&imgurl=http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/14/ambrosia_hires_080711n0696m378a.jpg&w=640&h=426&ei=tn8CT8mqBdKCtgfYzsXPBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=292&vpy=380&dur=28&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=135&ty=129&sig=100619336347563038053&page=5&tbnh=141&tbnw=186&start=58&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:58

  • Chris In Dallas
    9:17 pm on January 2nd, 2012 94

    86/88/89: Okay, here is how it works for officers:

    1. To get commissioned on active duty, you by and large have to have a bachelors degree from an accredited college/university. Degrees from online and/or diploma mills won’t cut it.

    2. A masters degree is required for field grade ranks. There are some programs which will send an officer to grad school full time and pay the bill. But they are VERY rare and those that get them incur new service obligations.

    3. On the masters degree, there is a loophole. Someone assigned to an ROTC detchment is considered school faculty and faculty members traditionally get to attend classes on campus for free. This is a way for officers to get a free masters degree. However, NCOs assigned to ROTC duty can do the same thing.

    4. As to the masters degrees, I don’t know about whether officers can check the block with online programs. However many/most in my time got their masters degrees through correspondence courses with diploma mills like Troy State and Florida Institute of Technology.

    5. As to ROTC being the “easy way” as compared to USMA, VMI, The Citadel, etc., there is some truth to this. That said, the Heroes on the Hudson and the Victors of the Battle of New Market don’t have to run the daily gauntlet of military hating professors and libtard students. Yeah, we didn’t get yelled at as much or have to constantly shine up leather and brass. But having to fight a nearly daily psyops war with moonbats is a unique challenge.

  • kangaji
    9:18 pm on January 2nd, 2012 95

    It happened in Korea already.

    OK, fine, they are accredited – accredited crap.

    Second link explains why Kangaji thinks that human resources command doesn’t have the oversight Guitard and Ole Tanker think it does.

  • Ole Tanker
    9:28 pm on January 2nd, 2012 96

    Kgaji
    …Old American saying, “If you ain’t cheatin….you ain’t tryin. :cool:

  • kangaji
    9:39 pm on January 2nd, 2012 97

    #96: DO NOT WANT. In TRADOC right now. Paranoid.

  • kangaji
    9:45 pm on January 2nd, 2012 98

    #94: YES, THANK YOU. Disagree with #5. Kushibo’s buddies aren’t that bad.

  • guitard
    11:33 pm on January 2nd, 2012 99

    Old Tanker ~

    Rather than show a single photo of an infantry unit that just happens to NOT have any black soldiers in it and use that to prove your point – how about providing some actual statistics?

    As best I can tell, blacks make up just under 10% of the Infantry – which is just a little under one percentage point of the black population in America. If you search in Google photos for “infantry platoon” you’ll see that statistic appears to be accurate.

    It’s also worth pointing out that there are a high number of young soldiers these days who are of mixed blood who don’t neatly fit into a racial category – so all these numbers begin to mean less and less.

  • Vince
    12:10 am on January 3rd, 2012 100

    That’s my whole point… and if people of a certain group are more prone to go a certain route- it certainly isn’t their problem or fault. It is what it is.

    As to combat service/support guys taking the easy way- maybe, maybe not. Granted, working in a SCIF is a lot more cozy than manning a bunker with a machine gun on the DMZ or humping 155 ammo. But the bottom line- wherever you are, if you are doing your job to the best of your ability, then you have done your duty and need apologize to no one. You have done much more than most.

    But– when I see people using their old boy connections to get choice slots and assignments and/or promotion, my BS flag pops right up.

    Do your duty. Period. Chances are by doing that you will do fine and get where you need to go- and people will not only appreciate it, they will notice it.

    No one likes a slacker or a prima donna.

  • BABYGIRL
    1:02 am on January 3rd, 2012 101

    CSM King is not the only CSM not to ever deploy. I can name two. CSM Gains, you see his picture at all the commissaries. The other one is SGM Hunter in Europe. Both have over 25+ years in the military.

  • guitard
    1:15 am on January 3rd, 2012 102

    I saw read something recently that seems to make some sense. Basically, it said with the dynamics of an all-volunteer force — blacks and whites join the military for different reasons. White kids join for adventure and to raise money for college – so they gravitate toward combat arms. While on the other hand, black kids are seeking skills, so they look to join the admin and technical MOSes.

    As far as suggesting that it takes more character to join combat arms – that’s a bunch of bologna. I was in the Infantry way back when and the average young Infantry soldier was just as much or more of a knucklehead as your average young support unit soldier.

  • Leon LaPorte
    3:08 am on January 3rd, 2012 103

    101. Excellent point! They are in charge of commissaries and such, not drill sergeants…

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    6:19 am on January 3rd, 2012 104

    @102 – I did a posting earlier this year on this topic and you are right:

    http://rokdrop.com/2011/06/17/due-to-drop-in-infantry-numbers-black-servicemembers-receive-less-valor-medals/

    As far as CSM’s and other senior leaders not deploying I have seen some others as well. However, as Leon already pointed out I have not seen one in a position of leadership of a combat unit or something as important as the commandant of the drill sergeant school. For example has anyone seen a division or brigade commander or sergeant major who hasn’t deployed? Maybe there is but I haven’t seen one yet.

  • babygirl
    6:40 am on January 3rd, 2012 105

    CSM Gains was in a ledership command at SHAPE (Chivers) in 04-07.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:59 am on January 3rd, 2012 106

    @105 – I found this picture of Command Sgt. Maj. John M. Gaines Jr and he does in fact have a combat patch. Here is his background:

    He joined the Army in 1981. A career logistician, his assignments have taken him to Fort Dix, N.J.; Fort Campbell, Ky.; Egypt; Germany; Fort Polk, La.; Schofield Barracks, Hawaii; Fort Drum, N.Y.; Fort Bliss, Texas; and Schinnen, the Netherlands. In one particular assignment, Gaines served as the Benelux Garrison sergeant major in Belgium, supporting the Supreme Allied Commander, Europe. He has been deployed to Haiti for Operation Uphold Democracy in 1994, to Bosnia for Operation Joint Endeavor as a member of the implementation force in 1996, and to Kuwait as a task force sergeant major supporting operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom in 2010.

  • babygirl
    8:06 am on January 3rd, 2012 107

    I stand corrected. Thank you and by the way do you have and salt for my crow :grin: ?

  • babygirl
    8:07 am on January 3rd, 2012 108

    Do you have any thing on a SGM Rodney E Williams (46Q)?

  • Armyvet
    8:30 am on January 3rd, 2012 109

    I cannot respect a senior NCO, especially a CSM or SGM who has no combat experience. A leader leads by example. I remember years ago when an NCO tried to tell a private to do 10 push ups and she couldn’t do 5. I know a MSG who is overweight and he cannot pass a legitimate PT test and he will probably end up a SGM one day. Some of the most respectable soldiers that I served with were E-7 and below and many weren’t even NCOs
    I think that the Army should use senior specialist rank. I would rather see a person with no combat experience or leadership experience or ability wearing Spec 9 rank instead of wearing CSM or SGM rank or any other NCO rank.

  • Chris In Dallas
    8:44 am on January 3rd, 2012 110

    I’ve seen some awfully useless Soldiers with combat patches and all sorts of bling. One of my ROTC classmates managed a combat patch and almost two rows of eye candy because after she failed Airborne School, she managed to get on and off a plane to her gaining unit just before the Gulf War I ceasefire. After doing nothing in the desert, she proceeded to rack up a career as an MP officer in garrison units. I suspect in the next year or so she will pin on oak leafs. On the other side of the fence, the finest NCO I ever served with had no bling and a minimal ribbon rack expected of someone with 15 or so years in the military.

    But this CSM King is a weird one. With about 10 years of combat ops, I can’t imagine how someone would miss out on a deployment without politic-ing and gaming the system. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

  • Ole Tanker
    4:18 pm on January 3rd, 2012 111

    #104. Wasn’t there a CSM a few years ago, 04-07 with 2ID who didn’t have a Combat patch?

    I remember comments from NCO’s that this CSM had told them, “You won’t get promoted without a combat patch!”

    That rankled a few feathers because HE didn’t have a combat patch.

    As far as those types (like King)go, they should be the 1st ones putting in a 4187
    to go to deployable unit to “get into the action.”

    Hell, isn’t that the whole purpose of their profession. :cool:

  • someotherguy
    5:33 pm on January 3rd, 2012 112

    @110,

    Honestly I’d be rather wary of anyone volunteering for a deployment. And by volunteering I mean someone actively seeking it. They should go through a full psych eval at a minimum, last thing the US Military need’s is another set of soldiers running around hunting the locals for sport. Heroes just end up getting people killed. (Referring to those who go to war in an attempt to prove something).

  • Ole Tanker
    5:50 pm on January 3rd, 2012 113

    #111, So, you recommend a psych eval for all the guys who went to the recruiter station on 8 Dec 1941 and Sep 12, 2001?

    As Gen Patton questionably pointed out, “Well, I shovelled shyte in Louisiana.”

    I know of a young soldier once who confided in me, “I want to go Recruiter, so I won’t go to Iraq.” Well, that boy finally got tagged and went to Afghanistan with the 10th Mountain Division. I bet he is proud today and glad he went.

    I know another young man who confided in me also as 2nd BDE 2ID was getting ready to deploy. “I am worried, about what will happen.” I could only tell him, “Do your job, that is all you can do.”

    His name, SPC Unruh of the 44th Engineers. He din’t come home alive.

    I also recall that SSG who didn’t go to Desert Storm with our unit because he was a “Black Muslim.”

    He went on to retire and collect disability for his knees.

    What matters is the character of a man.

  • Ole Tanker
    5:54 pm on January 3rd, 2012 114

    http://militarytimes.com/valor/army-spc-robert-oliver-unruh/381193

  • guitard
    6:40 pm on January 3rd, 2012 115

    someotherguy

    Honestly I’d be rather wary of anyone volunteering for a deployment. And by volunteering I mean someone actively seeking it.

    What the hell…???

    I can’t help but wonder…have you never served in the military?

    Deployments are the one time during your career you get to do what you trained for. Deployments are where the rubber meets the road. It’s where soldiers truly get to be soldiers. All the day-to-day garrison bullshyt is left back in garrison – because the mission is the primary focus.

    The times I’ve deployed are definitely the highlights of my career as a soldier. And I’m happy as a pig in shyt that I still get to deploy, even though I’m now a civilian.

    I have volunteered to deploy in the past and I will do so in the future.

    And no – I don’t need a psych eval.

  • someotherguy
    9:07 pm on January 3rd, 2012 116

    @114,
    Poser, nuff said.

    @112,
    I specifically said for people who actively seek danger. When its your turn it’s your turn, no questions asked. But anyone who goes around volunteering to be shot at, or more likely get the chance to shoot at something, needs to be carefully screened. Mostly likely it’s just someone who’s sense of patriotism has overcome their sense of self preservation, which is fine. But the last thing we need is another soldier convincing other solders that it’s ok to shoot unarmed citizens. Or haven’t any of you been keeping up with the sh!t storm that was caused by those idiots. Or worse it’s someone after an adrenaline fix or trying to prove something, that will only get other people killed unnecessarily.

    These are all low probabilities, but even 1% (1 out of 100 soldiers) it’s enough to cause harm to the force.

    Now all the armchair generals can go about yelling and screaming while making up various false credentials.

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:16 pm on January 3rd, 2012 117

    111. Yeah, but he already had his. :lol:

  • Ret NCO
    9:53 pm on January 3rd, 2012 118

    Comment 101, check the link on CSM Gaines.

    http://www.commissaries.com/press_room/documents/organization/gaines_bio.pdf

    Gotta check your “facts”.

  • kangaji
    9:54 pm on January 3rd, 2012 119

    #112 but how can you stop being an arm chair general without deploying? Shouldn’t undeployed leadership seek deployment to better lead Soldiers?

  • Retired GI
    5:02 am on January 4th, 2012 120

    Here is the thing about requesting deployment. As a Soldier you trian for just that. When it comes, a Soldier SHOULD want to be where he is traind to be, doing what he was trained to do. That is, he should want to be there. Doing whatever his job in a deployed situation is. My own experience when I returned from two years in Korea to Fort Hood was that I wanted to go with the unit to Iraq. I was told that I had just returned from an Overseas assignment and was therefore not required to go. I would be retireing in a year and a half. I had trained for 18 years, been deployed to Bosnia with the Unit. I felt I should go to Iraq. I got a slot.
    At the medical board I was told by a Major or Lt Col, I forget which, that because of the Scope done on my knee two years ago I could get out of it. Also because of the operation on my Shoulder, less than a year ago, I could get out of it.
    I told the Doc that I wanted to go. He looked at me and asked if I was crazy. I told him with a smile, something but forget what it was. Anyway he smiled back and said “good we need more like you”. That was 2004 — 2005. Sadly the Military Leadership still had a “garrison mentality” even tho deployed to a combat area. “Still tried to play those stateside games.” EO classes and such. Lucky for me I found a way out of my Aviation unit and got a position with the Force Protection unit. Which is another two or three stories itself.
    In any case, if you train for war for any length of time, war is where you should want to be when it happens. It is also good for promotion, if that is your more pressing concern. Only a Bogus NCO would not seek out for deployment. It is where the Troops are and where he or she SHOULD be needed. With exceptions of course. Wow! I didn’t even say anything about Political Correctness.

  • jeffreytg
    8:02 am on January 4th, 2012 121

    Re# 111
    I was in 83-89, spent vast majority of that time overseas (3.5 years in the ROK) but not in combat for sure. I feel to this day like I did not genuinely serve, like something is missing. I was an MP, so I had an actual piece-time mission, unlike many MOS which simply train.

    The best example I can give though is of a fireman.

    Imagine spending 6 years training to fight fires, and rescuing old ladies who feel down in their bath tubs, responding to car accidents, but never actualy fighting a fire. Sure the fireman has done his service to community, but damn he’d really like to actualy fight a fire some day. Does not mean the fireman wants a house to burn down, nor does he want people to die in fires.

    Purely out of a sense of duty, I can see how people would want to deploy, notwithstanding career enhancement.

  • NAM VET TURNS GUARD
    5:15 pm on January 4th, 2012 122

    I FEEL SORRYY FOR CSM KING. I KNOW OTHER SR. NCO HAS USE FRIENDS TO GET PROMOTED AND JOBS THEY WANTED. I CAN’T BELIEVE CSM KING TRIED AND GOT AWAY WITH USING HER EDUCATION(FAKE) TO MOVE UP. PLEASE REMEMBER YOU DONT HEAR CSM KING DROPPING NAME OF WHAT GENERAL OFFICERS AND SR NCO WHO HELP HER TO GET WHERE SHE WAS AS CSM OVER DRILL SGT. SCHOOL. THERE ISNT ANY OFFICER OR NCO WHO DID NOT TAKE A SHORT CUT IN THEIR CAREER. LOUISIANA NATIONAL GUARD PROMOTED A E-7 TO WORKD AR MEPS WHO WAS NOT MOS TRAINED BUT WAS FRIENDS WITH ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE STATE CSM. PLEASE DONT HATE CSM BECAUSE OF RACE OR SEX, MY BEST FRIEND WAS BLACK IN VIETNAM IM WHITE AND WE HAVE SORRY IN ALL RACE AND SEXIN THE MILTARY CSM KING JUST GOT CAUGHT WHEN OTHER HAVE NOT GOT CAUGHT. CSM KEEP YOUR HEAD UP.

  • Retired GI
    6:11 pm on January 4th, 2012 123

    122
    FIRST: TAKE YOUR FRIGGING *CAPS LOCK* OFF.

    Second: I’m greatly offended that you would make a BLIND statement that all NCO’s and Officers took short cuts in their career. Perhaps YOU did, but I did not.

    That makes about as much sence as saying that all “white people” are racist OR that all blacks love fried chicken.

    By the way, TRY to pay attention. No one gives a flying fuok that her pluming is inside rather than outside. Few give a crap that she is black either.
    SHE DID’T DEPLOY IN 29 FOCKING YEARS! Do you UNDERSTAND?

    Most of her education is BOGUS! Do you UNDERSTAND?

    However, you do demonstrate a very valid point. Thank you. You have again shown that SOMETIMES being black and/or a female will cause people LIKE YOU to give someone a pass BECAUSE they are black and/or female.

    The people that really piss me off are those such as yourself that think it is all about race or sex. YOU seem to think that blacks or females CANNOT get ahead on their own and you must help them. How can you be such a condescending racist?

    She cheated and faked her education and then failed to deploy in 29 years. The reason she was allowed to do this is people like you. You don’t think blacks or females can do it on their own. You fail to hold them to the standards set up for the army as a whole. You are the reason there is an assumption that blacks and/or females don’t EARN THEIR RANK. You give them a pass based on race and/or sex. You and those like you are why there are so many toxic leaders making rank in the Army. You and those like you are the problem today.

    Black females are the ones that SHOULD be pissed off about CSM King. She gives them as a group a bad name.

    Oh and guess what. I hate to tell you this but MOST *white people* have black friends. I even kissed a few AND LIKED IT. (I still like the asian women better) Perhaps I’m a racist in your book.

    Bottom line is she GOT CAUGHT! Should we let her off because she is black and female? That seems a bit RACIST to me. Kind of like promoting a black female BECAUSE she is a black female. Is that the kind of Army you want. It seems that is the kind of Army you HAVE. She SHOULD hang her head in shame.

    The rest of your comment I really could not read. Thanks for proving yet again what I have been saying for the passed five years here. Yet another proves me correct. There IS a problem with the whole race/sex promotion situation in the Army today and has been since the mid 1990s. Perhaps someone “higher up” will read this and AT LEAST go “hummm”.

  • JFisher
    6:14 pm on January 4th, 2012 124

    NAM VET #122. How to hell would you know that “there is not any Officer/NCO that did not take a short cut in their career”? To make a statement like that as an empirical fact is
    stupid. Say “in my opinion..” I question your veracity that an LA Guard soldier got a job at a MEPS by sucking up. There is not an MOS specifically for that position and it is not a job of any significance in the first place. That is hardly on par with the position King got. For you to take for granted those of us that have a problem with the King issue is because of her we are racist is ridiculous. You are the one
    that has hang ups of some sort that you need to concentrate on
    resolving, IN MY OPINION.

  • guitard
    6:21 pm on January 4th, 2012 125

    Retired GI wrote:

    That makes about as much sense as saying that all “white people” are racist OR that all blacks love fried chicken.

    What if you switch “fried chicken” with “watermelon?”

  • JFisher
    6:23 pm on January 4th, 2012 126

    Retired GI: You and I were posting our comments at the same time
    on #122. I did not try to embellish on your comments. You were
    up to your usual standards of excellence. When I went back to
    my email page I then saw your comments.

  • Retired GI
    6:25 pm on January 4th, 2012 127

    123 Well, I see more of them at KFC than my watermelon patch?

  • Retired GI
    6:27 pm on January 4th, 2012 128

    JFisher, that’s what I thought and thank you.

  • guitard
    6:28 pm on January 4th, 2012 129

    Well…my watermelon patch only has two melons in it. And she better not be sharing them with anyone else – regardless of their race!!

  • Bones
    7:32 pm on January 4th, 2012 130

    Okay, the bogus degree(s) I got that, don’t think for a minute the Army did not know the status of the degree(s). She didn’t get suspended for her education,If I were to guess, she got suspended for doing something while under the influence or got caught doing something with the wrong person.

    I have yet read where an NCO got suspended for education issue, most if not all, were for misconduct or crime.

  • NAM VET TURNS GUARD
    6:39 pm on January 5th, 2012 131

    Retired gi CSM King is a nco first and that is all. The reason the nco in the army hating on her is because she acted in bad taste and judgement. Look up in the military records other nco busted for: theft charge, misuse miltary equipment, etc CSM King dont have a combat patch is not a sign of leadership or lack of. Im sure you have all the right schools combat patch everthing in your military was perfect. Where did you serve and what rank you retired as. Just because CSM King in the viewing glass you want to throw stone at her. Yet you sit back call yourself leader and greater that life but remember only one man had hole in his hand (Jesus) the rest of us need to pray for people like CSM King. Retired gi i’ll pray for you and people like you who want to kick people down regardless why. we dont leave our soldier behind regardless

  • Ole Tanker
    6:45 pm on January 5th, 2012 132

    Jesus did not have a Combat Patch either. :cool:

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:44 pm on January 5th, 2012 133

    132. If he approached most of his followers, they’d try to lock him up in GITMO! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Vince
    8:04 pm on January 5th, 2012 134

    NVTG, not all of us served with or under scum and low-lifes. I remember two officers getting kicked out of the service for signing in at the DFAC as if they had meal cards. They were tossed out in a few weeks. Lieutenants.

    Something about “special trust and confidence”

  • Ole Tanker
    8:29 pm on January 5th, 2012 135

    As I reread the article, I understand King’s sentiments, as the daughter of a sharecropper..she loved her grass. :cool:

    The US Army..Ass, Grass or Combat Patch..Everyone pays. :cool:

  • Retired GI
    9:40 pm on January 5th, 2012 136

    #131 Well NVTG, at least you found the caps off button. Thank you, as I hate screaming on the keyboard.

    You STILL insist on giving King a PASS on her misconduct. Now you point to “others” who made mistakes. SO, we should give her a Pass? Why? Because OTHERS made mistakes? What about her mistakes? Let her slide right? Why? Because she is a “she”. Perhaps we should let her have a pass on her misconduct because she is black? What would that say? It would say that blacks are too stupid to “do the right thing”. Is that what you want to say? I do not believe that. Why do you? My black friends are AT LEAST as intelligent as I am. Most are younger than me and should be better educated than I am. Why do you believe she should get a pass for gaming the system, not deploying during ten years of war, and faking her education? Why?
    Just to put some perspective on this I will let you know that I spent 11 of my 20 years on overseas assignments. Honduras—before running water, Korea—while it was still a “heart ship” assignment—and FUN, a year in Bosnia — even after I was told I didn’t have to go, and my last year before retiring in Iraq — after being told I had two medical reasons not to go. I fought for the opportunity to serve in the war. WTF was King’s problem? I’ll tell you, she was a Bogus and self-serving individual. Based on her fake education, lack of deployment, and GIVEN a position that she did not EARN.
    I had the misfortune to have served along side, over, and under individuals just like her. Male and female. Black, white, and brown.
    If I remember correctly, I was never “perfect”. I never got a “glowing” NCOER. I wasn’t gaming the system either. I enjoyed being a Soldier and later an NCO that most (not all) of my Soldiers trusted. I had to come down hard of a few of them. I helped kick two out of the army. The army was better off without them.
    To my credit I believe, many are now friends on Facebook, after my retirement. One Pacific Islander asked me to provide a reference for him last week. I’ve been retired since 2005, but for him, I’m still the NCO he trust. He was a good Troop.
    I wasn’t in it for myself. I turned down schools because I knew I could be better used else where than as an instructer. So when I read about King, I recognize her. I knew those like her. I pity those troops that will have to serve under them — about now.

    You said that every NCO and Officer has played the system. I didn’t. But since you made that statement—YOU DID. Tell me (US) about it. Did you fake your education records? Have a “buddy” fake some PT scores? You don’t sound like the type to try to “be all that you could be” after making your statement about ALL have cheated or played the system. You were part of the “good ole boys club” right? Did a little drinking on duty didn’t you. Smoke some grass on guard duty?

    As far as a “Leader” goes; the Army called me a Leader. I called it doing my job. I have an Honorable Discharge, a tiny retirement check and I’m using my GI Bill to go to a REAL brick and mortar college. How many of those will King have?
    I’m not “great”, but I was and still am a better NCO than King. (that isn’t saying much either) Considering what you have said about EVERY NCO AND OFFICER has played the system, I’ll be bold enough to say I was a MUCH better NCO than you ever wanted to be.

    You can “pray” for that loser all you want too. I’m just happy she is no longer “pretending” to lead Soldiers. One less TOXIC NCO needlessly messing with the Troops. I’m a happy Retired GI.

    Don’t “pray” for me! When individuals say that it sounds more like a curse. Being a little self righteous aren’t you. You VERY likely game Religion as well. Let me guess — Baptist. Freemason? If male and younger than me, I’m sure you are. No wait, you would have to be African as well. ;-)

  • Vince
    1:01 am on January 6th, 2012 137

    Retired GI- you guys are both referring to people “…making mistakes…”

    These people willfully misrepresented themselves, committed acts which were criminal under both military and civil law.

    Those weren’t mistakes.

  • Vince
    1:06 am on January 6th, 2012 138

    And Nam Vet Turns Gay or whoever the hell you are… We DO leave some “soldiers” behind- those who intentionally don’t want to pull their weight and man up and do their duty.

    We don’t do it as often as we should, though. Not everyone who passes through the gates of basic training really should be in uniform.

    Granted– good leadership — not even GREAT leadership– can salvage some of them. But some need to be flushed like the turds they are. Some people actually DO “get it” after being bounced out on their heads, but most don’t.

  • ChickenHead
    2:17 am on January 6th, 2012 139

    “but remember only one man had hole in his hand (Jesus)”

    I guess that saved the trouble of making a fist while fapping.

  • Bam Bam
    6:36 am on January 6th, 2012 140

    Man……I just read the entire post and now I am finally up to speed.

    This is the classic case of a subordinate being pissed off at her (usually a subordinate that got a bad eval or a candidate getting kicked out of Drill Sergeant School) or more even likely someone upset because they didn’t think she deserved to be the Commandant of Drill Sergeant School. So they dug up some dirt on her and drop it in the laps of her superiors or IG. Then it just got ugly from there. I read some of her quotes and glad none of them mentioned leadership or integrity.

    If I was on the Court Martial Panel:

    Guilty as charged (inappropriate relations, fake degree(s), whatever drinking incident). She should definitely get busted at least two ranks.

    If she had of deployed at least once….Hell, just bust her one rank ;-)

  • Chris In Dallas
    9:14 am on January 6th, 2012 141

    131: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Its been my experience folks who pull out the “throwing rocks at glass houses” thing are the ones who are the first to huck rocks when something gets under their skin! CSM King may wind up exonerated and there could be entirely valid reasons she never got a combat patch. But I see smoke and am not waiting for a judge/jury to tell me there is a fire causing said smoke!

  • Tom Langley
    11:10 am on January 6th, 2012 142

    Vince #137, Thumbs up! You hit the nail right on the head.

  • This black girl
    9:37 pm on January 6th, 2012 143

    I think retired gi is a racist and needs to shut up!

  • Vince
    9:52 pm on January 6th, 2012 144

    OK-I’ll play your silly game- Why is Retired GI a racist? Specific examples, please….

  • ChickenHead
    9:53 pm on January 6th, 2012 145

    This black girl,

    I agree with some parts of your comment.

    “gi is”

    That seems to be true.

    “I think”

    …not so sure about this one.

  • Vince
    9:57 pm on January 6th, 2012 146

    143- Those entitlement-focused, historically/culturally ignorant blacks (and whites, hispanics, asians, etc) in the US need to wake up and see that there are a lot of people who stood firm with them when they were being denied human rights who are now tired of the “racist” label.

    For all you know, Retired GI or his family may have marched with Martin Luther King and helped register black voters in the South at the very risk of their lives.

    How dare you. You disgust me. I hope you are eaten by an angry mob of your peers in a riot coming soon to a neighborhood like yours.

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:20 pm on January 6th, 2012 147

    Since we are talking about racism and sexism I have a riddle. I was in the Army for 10 years. I never had, not once, a white male 1SG. What are the odds of that?

  • Innocent Bystander
    11:42 pm on January 6th, 2012 148

    147: Plausible, it tells me your MOS was probably CSS related.

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:07 am on January 7th, 2012 149

    148. Signal to be exact. A vast majority of the highly technical folks were white and male. Actually the signal corps is fairly caucasian. Still 10 years and not one, plus most of it was 1 year tours so even more 1SG’s than one might normally have? I mean come on, something is wrong. But it’s ok because apparently white males were being discriminated against. I’m certain had it been the other way around there’d be people up in arms.

  • Retired GI
    12:11 am on January 7th, 2012 150

    Ah #143. So glad you could join our discussion. Oh but wait. You don’t want us to have a “discussion” do you. You want to take away my 1st Amendment right to Free Speech. Wasn’t that what MLK *marched for*? Yes indeed it was, among other things. I’m sure he was not marching for ONLY black people — as indeed there where MANY WHITE PEOPLE marching with MLK.

    So — that means (This Black Girl #143) does not shair in MLK’s dream. How interesting!

    I do however wish to thank (This Black Girl #143) for YET AGAIN, demonstrating to those that read this blog, just how *some* (blacks, browns, AND females) go about using the system. After all #143′s name would suggest that the more important issues are that of her RACE and her SEX.

    That is how she identifies herself as a person. Not RANK. Not POSITION. Not anything else.

    Only as BLACK and FEMALE. That is all she needs. At least in the Army.

    Either one of those will shut down ANYONE that has a problem with her performance on the job in the Army.

    That is EXACTLY how King got to her position. That is why you are going to have more King’s coming down the road.

    Sadly for (#143 This Black Girl) we have been hearing the cries of RACIST for SO MANY LONG YEARS, about so many none race issues, that many of us (me) really just don’t give a flying fock anymore. You have made the cry of RACIST into something with very little meaning.

    I had a *Black Girl* E4 pull the RACE CARD on one of my Sergeants. She ended up looking like a bloody FOOL. That Sergeant was MARRIED to a *Black Girl*.

    You have used the word up. The power it once had is getting so very weak.

    The REASON you want me to shut up is because you are doing the same thing as King did.

    You don’t want anyone to learn about how *SOME* Black Girls use the system. Hell, most Females use the system. I don’t blame them. Males made it possible.
    I have taken Females and Males to the promotion board. I have seen how the Sergeants Major, and the Platoon Sergeants act when a Female comes into the room. All chummy and smiling. Didn’t happen when I took Males in.

    But *This Black Girl #143* has an added Weapon. It is calling those that she does not agree with (or those that she wishes to shut up) RACIST. I’m sure it has served her well in the past. Just like it did for King.

    In this Army, you can only correct your troops (that are black OR female) without danger to yourself and your Rank that is, if you ARE or HAVE one like them (black or female) with you. If you don’t, you risk being called a RACIST or in the case of a female (one of your own race) perhaps conduct unbecoming (rape perhaps). I always had a female with me when I had to inspect a females room or give counseling. For my own protection and peace of mind. AVIATION SUPPORT! “TIGER PRIDE!”

    I do so enjoy getting this off my chest. Come on back. Somebody else call me a racist for no reason. Except that I’m getting too close to the truth that is.

  • Vince
    12:20 am on January 7th, 2012 151

    150–

    I GOT IT– this is OUR “N” word…

    Wazzup, mah ray-sist?

  • Bam Bam
    12:41 pm on January 7th, 2012 152

    CSM King committed politcal suicide…..

    1) Got a highly visible Combat Arms position (normally)

    2) Never deployed and made comments about “how woman should be allowed in Combat Arms positions if they meet the same physical endurance standards as males. (not saying they shouldn’t but from someone who hasn’t deployed…..”

    3.) Went on Oprah and was named one of “20 Women Rocking in the World Power List 2010″…..(Should of layed low, turned down going on the show, and being named to the list). Sent a bad message (selfishness) Combat vets that deployed multiple times, saved lives, lost comrades, didn’t receive the proper recognition through promotion or awards, and put Army First and Family Always but lost their families…..the list goes on (

    4) Displayed to “Everyone” she has no integrity by submitting false documents (degree(s)) into her records……how many Soldiers on multiple deployments had the opportunity to work on or get degrees. I think most of us were focused on that next patrol, convoy, and whether we were going to lose another Soldier…..at least she could have actually taken advantage of doing it legitimate.

    5) She was very arrogant and actually tried to talk down to peers (wonder how I know???? ;-) )

    As a CSM/SGM the worst thing you can do is compromise your integrity and lose the support of your peers. It was only a matter of time before she went down.

    I’m not making these statements because I am a racist against black women, women in general, or jealousy that she was a CSM….why?

    My rank: 1+1 = 2

    My race: 1+1 = 2

    Is my wife a Soldier: 1+1 = 2

    My wife’s rank: 1+1 = 2

    My wife’s race: 1+1 = 2 (BTW she’s made the comment that CSM King (if guilty) gave all women a black eye

  • Bam Bam
    12:56 pm on January 7th, 2012 153

    Forgot to mention:

    #4. She’s not proven guilty (if she is this applies ;-) )

    Once you commit political suicide (in a position others think you don’t deserve to be in), it’s only a matter of time before someone digs up dirt
    on you.

    “Some…not all” people posting on here have made racial comments or discrimminating remarks against female Soldiers(even jokingly). I’m guessing it’s because of your past encounters, up bringing, or just trying to stir up controversy. I’ll just say if you are one of those people, in most cases I can’t change you but if you are willing to given an open ear and take my advice…..Don’t judge everyone on your negative encounters.

    As for making mistakes, I’ve made mistakes but not ones that compromised my integrity…..just ones that required good ‘ol military training. Even Senior NCOs make mistakes but not ones involving integrity.

  • NAM VET TURNS GUARD
    4:03 pm on January 7th, 2012 154

    Retredgi im roman catholic, white male, non drug user, born in the south and never hated or taught to hte a person in the same uniform as i. love my god, country family and army. I see you retired in pi cause racial reparks you keep making would get you u in trouble in most area of the main land thank you for your service to our country, being a hater is your way to deal with you retired as an e-7 couldnot even get in the school to be prompted to e-8 lets talk about who you really are a broken down dope smoking beer drinking, porn(randy west) watching has been hater. look in the mirrow and see you are noy the man you think you sre. dont hate try to become the good little boy your mother think you are. retiredgi have a great day back in nam you would of been left behind for your remarks. you never said who you served with and military back ground. retired e-8, infantry, mp and recruiter 2 tour in nam I corp. saudi, germany hawaii, and korea, all ncoer above average, never kiss a was a soldier and never left any of my troops behing. served under one of the best leader General Colin Powell who was also black leader and serve his country proudly.

  • Vince
    6:05 pm on January 7th, 2012 155

    Personal attacks. Yeah. Right on.

  • JFisher
    7:25 pm on January 7th, 2012 156

    NAM VET: Your ability to express yourself in writing and spell the simplest of words is sad. One can only come to the conclusion that you are uneducated and certainly not the
    “brightest bulb in the building” to be sure. That is not to say
    you are not a nice guy, but you are way out of your league in
    being able spar with the likes of Retired GI. As Judge Joe Brown
    says, “shut up and listen, you might learn something”.

  • Retired GI
    7:38 pm on January 7th, 2012 157

    #154 NVTG, — So you’re a “white male” and “born in the south” you say. Now tell me why I’m supposed to care about your RACE, SEX, or where you were born. Why exactly am I supposed to care about ANY of that?

    The rest of your comment was very difficult to understand. Likely because of your poor use of spelling and lack of even an effort to try.

    Oh, I live in the states. Not the Philippines. I travel as much as I can. Usually at the end of each semester. New one starts up again Nov 9th.

    Apparently your ability to comprehend english is only equaled by your ability to spell english.

    Again, thank you for showing what the Military is producing these days.

    I see you have completely forgotten about the Bogus NCO that you were defending. Obviously because you can not defend her. No one can. She faked her education, just as you obviously did.

  • JFisher
    7:56 pm on January 7th, 2012 158

    “Retredgi”: I am going to buy a lottery ticket tomorrow! Last
    night we were typing out some comments on the same subject and
    posted them about the same time. Yours hit the wire just before
    mine. Same thing happened tonight but I got the drop on you this time. Talk about a coincidence!

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:09 pm on January 7th, 2012 159

    i got this comooter and general mpowell in the pi said i couldn’t post here i want to defensd this siegent nmajor because the promotion packet does not have a checkbox for race there in however a bigg ass da photo in there for the board members to look at. i don’t worry about none of that cause this is a free kountry and being white and from the south i know i’m a racist bastrad and don’t deny it. i think you shouldf be promoted on merit along but then many people like csm king would have retired years ago as an e-6 working in the chow hall. whatever. a country boy can survive. i believe in the lord and regeal in my ignorance. i celibrate it. if you don’t like this post you hate baby jebus, and now he’s crying. give csm king another chance i’m sure she do right thing. ioh look, balloons.

  • NAM VET TURNS GUARD
    3:18 pm on January 9th, 2012 160

    I’m sorry that some of you hate CSM King. I agree if CSM King is found guilty kick her out the Army. But if she is not guilty please let her retire and go to college with retire gi so he can be her study buddie and learn that people or human. We all make mistake. Retiregi you give people hard time if they dont think like you and if you think that they or black or africian american or whay other name you and other like you behind closed doors. Remarks you made to blackgirl shows what you are. Remember black girl you are serving a country that appreciate what you are doing. Blackgirl people been around before slavery and will die hating behind closed door but in public will call blacks friend until they walk away then the real hater come out. Retire gi I may not be educated as a great person you. But retire gi i will be honor to serve with anyone regardless of race, sex or orgin of birth. So retiredgi have another drink light up a joint watch your porn and remember you are white and the rest of the world in wrong. I seved with white trash while i was in the military so all trash come in different colr and sex. i’m sure their people that think you are great but some hate you too. Retires gi i would realy like to know what typr of instructor oh it must be either eo or race relationship.

  • Retired GI
    3:47 pm on January 9th, 2012 161

    160 NVTG, I think you are (This Black Girl) comment #143.

    Just to help you out a bit, I went to the EO school, and have the graduation papers.

    I told my Mulatto buddy at college about you. He just hung his head.

    (I served with some “white trash” also) (along with some black trash, brown trash and generally stupid individuals from across all racial lines)

    It happens when you serve 20 years, do the right thing, and retire honorably.

    I’m not going to give the CSM a pass BECAUSE of her RACE or her SEX. No one should.

    But THANK YOU for proving my point!

    If you are “white”, you can not find fault with a non-”white” or female, without being called a RACIST or sexist. (Army only?)

    You have been a great deal of help in advancing my cause!

  • NAM VET TURNS GUARD
    9:26 pm on January 10th, 2012 162

    Retired GI where are you attending college and what will be your degree field are you working in.You will have a great future in public relationship. I enjoy messing with you. I really dont give a s*** about CSM King, if she is found guilty they should put her out at the lowest rank they can. Retired Gi as you know she did not get to be CSM without friends in high rank. Be cool at watch your six.

  • Retired GI
    2:06 pm on January 11th, 2012 163

    NVTG #162 DUDE! You had me going. Thanks, I do usually watch my six. Drafting and Design is the field. A little C.C. located south of Memphis tn.
    Gland I could add some entertainment for you. This would pail compared to an in person encounter, I believe (been told).

    I should have KNOWN something was a miss! :grin:

  • Leon LaPorte
    3:56 pm on January 11th, 2012 164

    162. Wow! NVTG, your writing has improved immensely! :lol:

  • Vince
    6:33 pm on January 11th, 2012 165

    You kids… Geez!

  • DS A. Zee
    11:44 pm on January 27th, 2012 166

    I have met many <> but CSM Teresa L. King was the best example the best leader and the best CSM i have ever met in my life , NCO prototype and highly pro. True Diamond for US ARMY , american citizens should be proud for such leaders like CSM Teresa L. King. As the best FM NCO Student in US ARMY , awarded from US ARMY , NATO and ISAF , i can say that i am very very proud coz i served in USDrill Sergeant School under CSM T.King her Deputy SGM Maggard and other DSL’s commands.

    God Bless her and USARMY DSS

  • Airdefender
    12:28 am on January 28th, 2012 167

    DS A. ZEE:

    She was obviously deserving of additional awards. As a matter of fact, I think you could fill out a 638 with your comments verbatim. Guaranteed at least a MSM!!!

  • ChickenHead
    1:29 am on January 28th, 2012 168

    “Bullshyt! i hear u. sound off = u gotz a 2!”

  • Vince
    1:35 am on January 28th, 2012 169

    If your DS academy and your service were so damn good, why do we have so many junior troops running around with zero idea of professional bearing, and a dearth of junior NCOs with the balls to correct them?

    Now– drive up to School of Infantry at Camp Lejeune and see and feel the difference.

    At SOI, infantry “AIT” for new Marines, there are no DIs. Just NCOs who are in charge.

    A way different culture.

    Vive la difference!

  • Vince
    2:09 am on January 28th, 2012 170

    No offense to the GIs who are out there doing their best- those guys are doing what they do for all the right reasons. And there are plenty of them out there, too.

  • Retired GI
    6:47 am on January 28th, 2012 171

    166 I second ChickenHead’s BULLSHYT. You must be her gay-black-female-lover.

    “cuz” In what Army military school did you learn to write? You are further evidence of what the Army has been promoting for the past 15 years.

    My stock broker, a former Marine, once told me that I should have been a Marine. I relate that story because there is not much evidence here that would make a retired GI feel any pride. YOU and King surely do not.

    I damn shame the Army now promotes based on race and sex rather than performance and has done so since 1996.

    None taken Vince. Sadly, I must agree with you. The Army NCO Corp has not been professional in many years. A Korean war Vet or Vietnam Vet Would not recognise it. A bunch of boyscouts led by PC females and minority pushed males with masonic rings. (support units NOT 11 bravos)

    Thanks for your comment 166. I have said here that there are many more like King, coming down the pipe.

    You proved it so, Thank you.

  • Vince
    7:52 am on January 28th, 2012 172

    Ret. GI–preach it, Brother! You are spot on…

    And as for all of her awards- no one who is worth a shyt cares. Those who are the real deal understand the hit and miss of awards.

    The real award is a nod from others who are real soldiers.

    Those who know the deal, know the deal. The others just fake the funk.

  • Retired GI
    8:55 am on January 28th, 2012 173

    Vince, my most treasured “award” is a unit coin from the 69th Infantry. It was given to me by a buck sergeant on my Force Protection unit in Iraq.

    When an NCO 11B gives a “support” NCO — anything, that is a treasure.

    Ribbons on the uniform are often “I was there” or I know the correct asss to kiss. IMHO.

    MY SECOND most treasured is a serial numbered, operation salute coin, from Anheuser-bush. (I put two of them in a frame on the wall) :grin:

  • guitard
    11:30 am on January 28th, 2012 174

    Ah………the unit coin.

    When I was a young Infantry troop in 2ID, we had company coins – and the rule was that you could be challenged anywhere at anytime – to include while you were in the shower. If you got caught without your coin – it was either ten pushups (while on duty) – or a beer (if you were off duty). And if you didn’t have your coin and ten guys ‘coined’ you – that was either 100 pushups or ten beers. There was no mercy rule.

    One industrious young troop came up with this rather devious scheme…

    He’d partner up with another guy from the unit…and wait for a group of guys from the unit to show up at a club. The guy would pretend he didn’t notice the other guys from the unit were at the club. His partner would come up to him at the bar – and loudly challenge him by slapping his coin down on the bar. The guy would put on a show by putting his arms up in the air…and cussing up a storm…all the time pretending that he had forgot his coin back at the barracks.

    He’d tells the waitress to get his partner a beer…and then the trap was set.

    The three or four guys sitting at the table watch all this and figure here’s their chance to get a free beer – and all of them walk up and slap their coins down on the bar.

    The guy being challenged goes through the cussing routine again…but then stops and says “Wait a minute…” He starts checking all his pockets and low and behold…he didn’t forget his coin after all.

    And now all those guys owe him a beer.

  • DS A. Zee
    4:48 am on January 29th, 2012 175

    Please keep this country united,
    problems like that are not good for glory US ARMY
    honestly , i never met leader like CSM T.King.
    God bless all

  • Retired GI
    6:26 am on January 29th, 2012 176

    #175 This country has always been made of different “groups”. The only time this country has been “united” is when it is under attack. We unite for a cause and then go back to our seperate groups. Again, what are they teaching you people today? You don’t know the basics.

    “glory” there is no such thing.

    Sadly, I have met many INDIVIDUALS like King. They were never “leaders”.

    This country has been at war since 2001. There was the gulf war before that. There was Bosnia after that one. All while King was in uniform. She never showed up for any of them :!: When a country is at war, every “leader” should want to be there. I was at two of the three. She didn’t make the trip. She is no “leader”. She is very likely a sub-standard soldier. Oh wait, she has been RELIEVED. She IS a sub-standard soldier.

    I saw my shair of asss kissers that somehow were able to stay back in the rear with the gear. They still got promoted. In fact the better they were at kissing asss, the higher up the ranks they went.

    The army needs females and minorities to get promoted.

    King is not very bright. All she had to do was sit in her office and be quite to succeed. She failed at even that simple task.

  • JFisher
    9:49 am on January 29th, 2012 177

    DS A#175: Altruistic “can’t we all get along” psycho babble
    darling. You are in dire need of a massive reality check up.
    If English is not your native language you can not be criticized
    for your poor grammar and spelling, if otherwise, the impression
    is that you are not very well educated or not very bright smart.
    Consider dictating to someone else to put your thoughts into
    printed form. No offense intended. I have to use a dictionary,
    you need to as well.

  • Vince
    5:21 pm on January 29th, 2012 178

    …and THAT’S what the current culture seems to promote.

    Image over substance.

    That doesn’t do anyone any good.

    We need to fix that.

    “…content of character…” NOT “…colour of skin…”

  • setnaffa
    5:36 pm on January 29th, 2012 179

    I’m thinking a lot of the trolls here are just really sad sacks… :roll:

  • old goat
    9:23 am on February 5th, 2012 180

    dS a. Zee tell the world why CSM King not running the drill sgt school. you must know why you were trained by her and her staff. the army is not talking because two general and other are coving up their track due to overlook on promotion paper and helping out a friend and let he be the CSM that CSM king is not. So DS zee please tel us why/

  • JFisher
    9:50 am on February 5th, 2012 181

    OLD GOAT: I hope English is your second language. Otherwise
    you have a must have a learning disability. Your grammar and spelling is terrible.

  • ChickenHead
    10:37 am on February 5th, 2012 182

    If you’re proud and unjustly rewarded,
    best avoid actions too sordid.
    With a bad attitude,
    she begged to be screwed,
    and let some misdeeds be recorded?!?

  • JFisher
    12:52 pm on February 5th, 2012 183

    For some, the best part of waking up is “Folgers in their cup”
    as the coffee advert. proclaims. For me it is the poems/comments of ChickenHead on the blog that God chose for
    Korean followers and military devotees. Thanks ChickenHead and
    GI Korea. You guys always brighten up an otherwise dull day for me and I presume many others. Live long and prosper!!

  • Retired GI
    12:54 pm on February 5th, 2012 184

    JFisher, I’ll second your last three sentences!!

  • ChickenHead
    12:22 am on February 8th, 2012 185

    Q: What is the difference between the US Army’s Drill Sergeant School and a game of checkers?

    A: Everyone is happy to loose a black king.

  • Buc
    4:56 pm on February 12th, 2012 186

    There’s alot of Racism here, and it’s overt. The bottom line there was a General and staff that vetted this Senior NCO and said she was the best for the job, she didn’t just wake up one morning and take that position. As for minorities taking you good old boys jobs, get over your self, you probably weren’t qualified.

    As for extended degrees yes officers do acquire those. When i was in Germany on 3 different occasion’s I led my platoon, because my platoon leader’s were working on their Master’s degree’s. So some here don’t know what they’re talking about, just spewing hot hatred venom.

    With respect to CSM King degree’s. Is the Military saying your degree’s has to be with an accredited college, and was this a prerequisite for her job? If the answer to these question is yes, then the process by which she excelled is flawed. So cut out the RACE crap, she’s was there because she was hired to be there, and she just happen’s to be Black. If she was white would you be so irate, I think not.

  • Vince
    6:54 pm on February 12th, 2012 187

    Buc

    If there was a game where we could drink a shot whenever “RACIST” or “RACISM” rang out, my liver would have dissolved about 25 years ago.

    Good on you for taking charge while your PL was away- you should have taken some time to better your education, too. Most of all, it’s BS that so many people take time away from their stock in trade, training for war, to do other things. Having advanced degrees might be

    From what I have seen in the Army, if a person is black, he or she will be given the most glowing of reports if he or she is a marginal performer. Not much different with white male underachievers, but there are no programs or quotas to ensure that white males are retained and promoted. Thus, the white male generally has to compete for promotion and retention against other whites who aren’t protected in their lack of competence, and with minorities and females who are protected in their lack of competence. Even if I am completely wrong, that is the perception- and in an organization which requires subordinates to follow leaders of higher rank in dangerous situations, perceptions are, indeed, reality. A result of this system is truly a culture of institutionalized apathetic mediocrity and incompetence making each day an adventure in dealing with people who are poorly trained, who in turn cannot properly train and supervise others.

    Yeah. There is a lot of hatred here. Hatred of phonies, shirkers, those who hide behind the protections guaranteed by centuries of liberal white guilt and its propaganda. And I agree with you 100 percent- The Man said that people like her are good to go. The Man is full of shiit. The Man has shoved it up all of us deep and hard.

    Get over yourself. If you are all that as a soldier and a leader, then you are one of the good guys.

    As being “…so irate…”, having served in all white units, I can tell you that this kind of revulsion and contempt knows no colour. The center of this story is that this person was hammered for some kind of misbehavior. Once a person at this level gets exposed in such a way, people start peeling back the onion and see more of the story. It isn’t a pretty one, is it?

  • Retired GI
    9:49 pm on February 12th, 2012 188

    #186 “there is alot of Racism here and it is overt”.

    There it is!
    There it is!

    Thanks for proving my point Buc. Thank you very much!

    If you find justified fault with a non-”white”, you WILL be called a Racist.

    You made my day Buc.

    Every excuse in the book will be brought out to defend the wrong doer if that individual is not “white”.

    I love the ending; “she happens to be black”. She also “happens” to not have a combat patch. How did that happen Buc? We’ve been at war for 11 years!!!!! Bosnia before that! The Gulf war before THAT. She didn’t go!

    So, what exactly give her the right to lead those that have? Hummm? Her non-accredited degrees? (I’m thinking they SHOULD be accredited.) What about you?

    Face it Buc, she is a bogus NCO. She just happens to be a black bogus NCO.
    If you are a real NCO — YOU should be pissed. If you are a black NCO, you should REALLY be pissed.

    But no, don’t face the truth Buc. Just do as all her past leaders have done. Make excuses for her and move her up to be someone else’s problem. That IS the Army way isn’t it.

    By all means, don’t forget to call those who find fault with her Racist.
    That is the last line of defense after all.

  • ChickenHead
    9:52 pm on February 12th, 2012 189

    “Is the Military saying your degree’s has to be with an accredited college, and was this a prerequisite for her job? If the answer to these question is yes, then the process by which she excelled is flawed.”

    So… if someone uses a knowingly fraudulent degree to obtain their position, it is “the process” which is flawed.

    I see.

    I always suspected child molestation was only wrong due to flawed processes in the legal system and the expectations of society.

  • SMASH
    2:10 am on February 13th, 2012 190

    All I can say is…….. http://www.militarycorruption.com Nobody is above the law ;-)

  • setnafa
    1:23 pm on February 13th, 2012 191

    We should “deep-six” folks like that and start to reward the folks who are truly superior at their craft.

    And we shouls “deep-six” every blasted racist, sexist, so-and-so that ever even brings up percentages of this skin tone or that gender.

    There’s no place for PC in war. All it does is get folks killed. Ours and theirs.

  • JFisher
    1:56 pm on February 13th, 2012 192

    SETNAFA@191 HOORAH!!!!! Bulls eye

  • Vince
    4:20 pm on February 13th, 2012 193

    Let’s assume, for a minute, that Buc is an average to above average NCO.

    His perceptions are that this SGM was railroaded, and that “the good ol’ boys” are running the show.

    Many of us have the exact 180 degree perception- that PC has gone amok, and it is a fact that we use racial and sex quotas in recruiting, accessing officers, promotions, and assignments?

    How do we REALLY get rid of these perceptions?

    What is really contemptible is that we cannot have this discussion face to face in the workplace (assuming many of us are service members) without negative repercussions to our careers- the white guys anyway.

    How the hell do we get past this?

  • bigday
    6:18 pm on February 17th, 2012 194

    So many people seem to take this to seriously. If a person can find a way to get promoted without getting deployed and staying home doing what they like to do, more power to them. The system allows it!!! Don’t criticize her, criticize the system.

  • Retired GI
    7:11 pm on February 17th, 2012 195

    @194, only a civilian “mind” would come up with that one.

    I gota idea! Lets have a war and no one show up. Oh wait, we are paid to show up. That is the job. If you are in charge of those that have gone, you BETTER have gone at least ONCE.

    Bigday is either a shamer or a civilian. Blue Falcon salute to bigday

  • setnaffa
    7:54 pm on February 17th, 2012 196

    I suspect #194 is related (mentally) to the contractor my employer just fired. He had a work from home job. Well, actually two. Through different contractor firms. But tried to collect two paychecks from the same end company. :shock:

    Screwed the pooch. Made a name for himself all right… With a huge IT firm, on a Government project and made the two big contracting firms look like idiots, too… I noticed he had already changed his LinkedIn page to eliminate the details and add in two bogus jobs… :roll:

    He’ll be lucky to get a job washing dishes for his Mom after this one.

    You can’t cheat folks–especially the Government–and get away with it, even if you’re a legend in your own mind… Sooner or later it will come out…

  • AIR FORCE 2w151
    8:01 pm on February 29th, 2012 197

    This was my father compuer. ()nam vet turn guard. My father had many laugh messing with Retire GI, My father passed away on 2/28/12. He made his last roll call. My father was a real soldier two tour in nam 26 years in the real army. He told me to tell all of you regardless of what is right CSM King will still draw CSM pay unless she goes to Fort Leavenworth stockaid. My father was passed over to CSM due to the army needed to promote any onr but a white sgm to csm. God pless all of you who wore the uniform or wearing the united states military uniform.

  • Retired GI
    4:37 am on March 1st, 2012 198

    I’m glad that I could give your Dad some joy prior to his last PCS move. I’m sorry for your loss. He gave me fits untill the truth was reviled. :grin: Again, sorry for your loss Air Force 2W151. I do believe your last sentence as well. Seen it happen. Give him a Salute for me.

  • Retired GI
    4:39 am on March 1st, 2012 199

    I meant “revealed”. Sorry about that.

  • Anon
    7:07 am on March 1st, 2012 200

    CSM Wheeler never was deployed to a combat zone either was he? I served in his AT platoon at Ft. Riley back in the 80′s and saw him when he was CSM USFK and if I recall correctly, he told me he had never served in a combat zone. CSM Wheeler was a masterful politician and I was surprised when he didn’t make CSM of the Army.

  • I'm
    1:42 pm on March 23rd, 2012 201

    Thank you, this can be the worst factor I’ve read

  • Army Officer
    11:37 am on April 3rd, 2012 202

    NCOs DO NOT COMMAND ANYTHING! CSM King as well as any CSM who is a commandant have absolutely NO UCMJ AUTHORITY! That is left for officers.

  • lifer
    12:02 pm on April 3rd, 2012 203

    Sir you are correct nco dont command but why is it when officer get in a new unit the nco has to take them by the hand and lead you around until you can make desicision on your own. Remember a CSM is the person that does what officer cant do or wont do. we can run a army without officer. What the percent of officer was once enlisted or nco. As for as CSM king that was a nco that should of never made it to CSM until some officer put her where she is today in trouble.

  • guitard
    12:38 pm on April 3rd, 2012 204

    Troops to Teachers program ~ watch out!!

  • Glans
    2:33 pm on April 3rd, 2012 205

    Speaking only for myself, and not for other white male civilians, I don’t think an NCO that hasn’t deployed should get promoted to senior rank, especially not to CSM. I don’t think an NCO should use fake achievements as grounds for promotion, either.

  • guitard
    2:37 am on April 4th, 2012 206

    Glans wrote:

    Speaking only for myself, and not for other white male civilians…

    Other white male civilians??

    How about just “other civilians” ?

  • USFKisWasteofTaxDollars
    3:53 am on April 4th, 2012 207

    So why did she really get fired? Was she riding the working stock? Drinking too much? Alcohol and sex tend to be the root of most reliefs and removals……oh well such is life. Lineup another poster child CSM for the job.

  • Monica
    3:42 pm on April 6th, 2012 208

    CSM King is a freakin fraud. She committed all kinds of wrongs. She lied about her paid for degrees, oops she doesn’t have a Masters nor Docorate. She probably should not have been promoted beyond SFC if that… She is a liar, cheat and needs to go back to what she knows best “sharecropping”. She treated people so bad except the females she was sleeping ith. That’s right females are her choice. So she along with others have damped the spirits of higher ups. Now because of her lies we all suffer. Now they need to get the rest of the CSMs, SM, and all other ranks that have paper degrees, false awards and get rid of them.

  • Retired GI
    5:02 pm on April 6th, 2012 209

    I agree Monica, but the sad truth is that the ones you spoke of, are the very individuals the Army will keep when the RIF begins. I give it five years and PC will have killed the Army.

  • Glans
    7:50 pm on April 6th, 2012 210

    Guitard, I’m glad you got the joke.

  • MTB Rider
    11:39 pm on April 6th, 2012 211

    So? Any actual charges ever been posted? Or is the Army just hoping this will all go away?

  • Army Officer
    3:47 am on April 16th, 2012 212

    Hold our hand? Maybe for some you have too but not this one. It goes both ways, a new young LT out of West Point or ROTC will need some mentorship but trust me, that officer is in charge. Officer are held to a standard that no NCO is. So, if an NCO does something that an officer will not do its probably because it is illegal, immoral, or unethical. Thats why we hold commissions from the President of the Unites States of America and NCO do not.

    As for CSM King, she is pathetic and I guarantee every DS or future DS will look up and finally see someone deserving of that position and who has deployed to and fought in a combat zone.

  • Retired GI
    1:23 pm on April 16th, 2012 213

    I always thought an Officer had a commission because he wanted to work less for more pay. (which shows intelligence).

    I have seen no evidence that Officers are above “illegal, immoral, or unethical” actions. I know a few that are in jail as of this writting.

    However we do agree that CSM King is pathetic. But what do you expect in the current PC army? She is exactly what you should expect when you promote based of something other than duty.

    It was similar for the Fort Hood shooter. The signs were there but not one of those officers were willing to risk their career on the facts.

    Most officers are career minded politicians. If it will help them, it will get done. If not, it will not.

    Most NCO’s are bright enough to know this.

  • 2 ID Doc
    6:23 pm on April 16th, 2012 214

    #212 Way back in the 80s when I was promoted from E-1 to E-2 my platoon leader O-1 pulled me aside and asked me “Pvt, what’s the difference between me & you?” I stood there for a minute and finally came up with, “You have a 4 year degree.” He said “No, you’ve been promoted once!” His roommate a self-described “Ring Knocker” were 2 officers I respected, they never took themselves too seriously and realized they learned a lot sitting in on our NCO Time as “observers” asked me a lot of questions “wondering what the privates thought”. Throughout my career I made sure I “knew what the privates thought.”

  • Army Officer
    10:22 am on April 17th, 2012 215

    Being that I am a former Soldier and NCO this topic is close to me. I chose to cross over because I could not work for NCOs like this King. Officers work for pay? I could make a considerable amount more in the civilian sector. Leading Soldiers is why we combat officers do what we do. Nothing more nothing less. When you stand next to two of your NCOs while being pinned the PH, that makes me tick, not politics.

  • Retired GI
    12:28 pm on April 17th, 2012 216

    I understand your point about working for individuals such as this King. I was overjoyed when I retired.
    My point still remains; Officers “work” for pay. If you liked Soldiers and NCOS you would have remained an NCO. You didn’t, and that is just fine. Someone has to sit behind the desk and move papers from the “in” box to the “out” box. Everyone in uniform has their purpose. Some make a career out of producing POWER POINT slids. The advantages of being an officer are many. Top of the list is greater PAY. A strong second is better housing. You know this. Additionally, when in garrison your “work” is your desk. I seldom saw an officer in the motor pool. I never saw an officer under the hood, or even behind the wheel. That is just fine also. I never expected them to do such things. That is what they had Soldiers and NCOs for. All I ever expected officers to do was get the hell out of the way, go back to their office and get my paperwork done. It would also have been nice if the CO ACTUALLY interviewed soldier, rather than sign their name on the paper. But I knew I was asking too much of an officer to do that.

    Yes you will make more in the civilian sector. Lets face it, that IS your goal. But first you must pay your dues in uniform to justify that civilian job. If not, you’re just another highly educated job seeker.

    I don’t begrudge you your success. You make the choice and did the work. I enjoyed being a simple Soldier and NCO. I stayed with what I liked.

    Don’t pretend to be one of us. You are not and by your own choice. As I’ve said, that is just fine. You are a highly paid officer. You will be a highly paid civilian one day. Good for you! You should be proud of that. But your not an enlisted person and you don’t live an enlisted life. You should not be ashamed of your advantages. After all, enlisted life was not good enough for you. It was good enough for me and many MANY others.
    Now perhaps you should go and work on your OER. The enlisted are not the ones you should be trying to brown nose with. I’m sure DA has your next assignment up the ladder on it’s way down to you. Good Luck to you in your Political moves up the rank system. I watched more than one Major have a failed assignment in Korea and still make LTC. It is almost an AUTOMATIC promotion. ;-)

  • Army Officer
    6:33 am on April 18th, 2012 217

    As a former MP Soldier, NCO, and now officer, DO NOT make the assumption you have any clue what we do as MP officers. I am making the assumption, “Retired G1″ that you have no idea what is means to lead Soldiers. G1, really? If your MOS is/was 42 then I will just laugh this off.

    My awards for combat heroism and wounds come from the bond and blood I had as a leader with my Soldiers that I lead in combat. I am sure you read about these things behind your desk as I am confident you never deployed.

    Not sure why I am even talking with you as you clearly have no clue about this life. Advice to you, don’t confuse your time in service and your previous MOS with that of a combat MOS. I am sure if I was so unlucky to have been branched AG, then I would have now jumped off a cliff.

  • SMASH
    7:10 am on April 18th, 2012 218

    Army Officer…..his screen name is retired “GI”…….like GI Joe…..not G1………..lol

  • Retired GI
    10:01 am on April 18th, 2012 219

    Bosnia – Iraq. Never said I had a “combat” MOS, like “MPs” do. I didn’t know “MP” was a “COMBAT” MOS. Learn something knew everyday ;-)

    MPs always were full of themselves. :lol: “of the troops and for the troops” Right.

    We had one also: Attention to detail. Fly without us, Die without us.

  • Army Officer
    1:01 pm on April 19th, 2012 220

    Thanks for the laughs, I enjoyed them. Your lectures and keen insight into officers careers as you know them so well makes me smarter! By the way, never say that Bosnia is a deployment! Unless you were an MP during that time of hostility, but you were not.

  • Retired GI
    6:01 pm on April 19th, 2012 221

    Bosnia wasn’t a deployment? Explain. I look forward to hearing this.

    Oh and I really feel special now. Little ole Retired GI has baited a civilian claming to be an “army officer”. I’m having fun now!

    He is likely a Democrat as well. Only a Liberal that never served would actually think claming to be an “MP” would give him some “credibility”.

  • JFisher
    2:48 am on April 20th, 2012 222

    RETIRED GI: BINGO!!!!

  • big girl
    4:31 pm on April 24th, 2012 223

    I got a good one for everyone. An E-7 asked me if he could get his MBA from any college with his…PAID FOR BA. Cost him a cool $350 to get his BA. Now mind you I get about 2 military people a week asking the same question. So you can’t blame King for buying hers’.

    My husband is a SGM and he had to work dammn hard to get there. He came in with his BA and received his MBA while at the SGM school. But sadl he was over looked for CSM by someone who has only a high school diploma. 2015 he will be getting out. The army is more of who you know not whar you know.

  • guitard
    4:44 pm on April 24th, 2012 224

    big girl wrote:

    My husband is a SGM and he had to work dammn hard to get there. He came in with his BA and received his MBA while at the SGM school. But sadl he was over looked for CSM by someone who has only a high school diploma. 2015 he will be getting out. The army is more of who you know not whar you know.

    The best 1SG I ever had – hands down – no one during my entire career could even touch this guy — was a 9th grade dropout who grew up in a single-parent home on an indian reservation in Arizona.

  • lifer
    3:09 pm on June 5th, 2012 225

    rememebr the only different between the boy scouts and the military leader ship is the boy scout has adult leader not want to be leaders. Lets go back to king where is she?

  • JFisher
    5:29 pm on June 5th, 2012 226

    Lifer #225: What you posted is convoluted. Your grammar
    needs be cleaned up as well. I think the saying is “The only difference between the Army and the Boy Scouts is that the Boy Scouts are organized”.

  • ChickenHead
    4:18 am on February 18th, 2014 227

    Guess what?

    She received the Legion of Merit after retiring May 31, 2013.

    For what type of merit, I am unsure.

    How can people keep screaming discrimination when there are so many examples of women/minorities being promoted based on gender and race rather than ability or accomplishment.

    Also, a quick check of her background shows that she scrubbed her two fake degrees and is back to just an associates in general studies from Extended High School Community College.

    Somebody brought her up… so I looked her up briefly. There is likely more interesting points to her post-military story if one digs for them.

  • Smokes
    5:56 am on February 18th, 2014 228

    “She received the Legion of Merit after retiring May 31, 2013.
    For what type of merit, I am unsure.”

    SFW? :???:

    Were the Army not a corrupt sham of an organization that’d actually be worth bringing up.

  • Vince
    9:52 am on February 18th, 2014 229

    She’s untouchable, and she is the future of our nation.

    Valerie Jarrett told us there would be hell to pay.

  • JFisher
    1:21 pm on February 18th, 2014 230

    Vince#229: I second your emotion! Wait until “Billery” gets elected as President. Socialism run amok like we have never seen before. The Proletariats (citizens of the lower class) will have their playing field leveled with the elite class, you know them—-those that work hard, build factories and create jobs, make things and behave
    themselves, that can enunciate the English language, get an education, don’t wear their pants hanging around their ass, have babies at 15 or so, have criminal records early on in their life.

  • Retired GI
    1:46 pm on February 18th, 2014 231

    Just disgusted.

    Pointless to say anything else.

  • Setnaffa
    7:57 pm on February 18th, 2014 232

    @230, Exactly. We all know “people of color” who lead by example, inspired us with their professionalism, and pushed us to do better.

    They’re all “nameless” and the Democrat-controlled press foists clowns like this on us.

  • Retired GI
    9:02 pm on February 18th, 2014 233

    As for myself, I knew some excellent black guys that I would follow or lead … anywhere.

    They never got much recognition, but they were a great assistance to the Army and myself personally.

    Unlike the individual that is the subject of this post. I knew many like her also. Too damned many.

 

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