By GI Korea on December 22nd, 2011 at 6:11 pm

Dan Choi Wants Accused Traitor Freed

• setnaffa
  8:30 pm on December 22nd, 2011 1

  More proof that being gay and in the military is bad for their mental health?

• Teadrinker
  8:50 pm on December 22nd, 2011 2

  #1,

  That’s not funny.

• Hamilton
  9:06 pm on December 22nd, 2011 3

  What’s not funny is that the gay movement has decided that Dan Choi and Bradley Manning are their poster children for integration into the military. This is the best way to alienate and scare anyone who has concerns or doubts about integration.

  Rational homosexuals should treat both of those two like the toxic sludge they are. They are a disgrace and add nothing to sacrifice of real patriots of any sexual orientation.

• Teadrinker
  9:38 pm on December 22nd, 2011 4

  #3,

  One of my professors when I was doing my undergraduate degree, a well-known environmentalist, told me that tree-huggers make the job easier for people like him who work within the system. Extremists shift the middle ground more towards what the average person would wish it to be.

• tbonetylr
  10:38 pm on December 22nd, 2011 5

  So far, I think Bradley is arguing that the material he “leaked” wasn’t confidential or marked as such.

• Tom Langley
  12:22 am on December 23rd, 2011 6

  I have read that some of the materials that Manning leaked have caused people who were US sources to be killed. Manning is scum and Choi has shown that he is as Lenin said “a useful idiot.”

• Leon LaPorte
  12:27 am on December 23rd, 2011 7

  Obviously his identity as a gay is more ingrained and dear to him than his love of country.

• Leon LaPorte
  12:35 am on December 23rd, 2011 8

  6. It was on a Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet) system. It doesn’t matter if he leaked public domain Betty Crocker recipes from the 1930′s.
  Once any data resides on that network it is considered Secret. There’s a banner on the screen that says, “SECRET”. Only a designated approval authority (usually an officer) can declassify anything that comes out of that system. If that’s his argument, he’s dead wrong and he, and everyone else (and anyone with a rudimentary understanding of classified material), knows it. Burn him. He knew exactly what he was doing and should be made an example of.

  As a concession: In the unlikely event he were put before a firing squad, I’d allow him to wear a dress.

• ChickenHead
  3:33 am on December 23rd, 2011 9

  Yeah… but would you hit it first?

• ChickenHead
  3:46 am on December 23rd, 2011 10

  Looking at the picture, I can only surmise that excessive sperm consumption leads to mongoloidism.

• GI Korea
  6:12 am on December 23rd, 2011 11

  Manning’s defense is claiming that the stress of DADT is what caused him to leak the classified information:

  The military never should have let someone as depressed as Manning have so much access to so much classified material.

  If you read the TIME link the author thinks that since Manning was also transgender that the US military needs special protection and guidance put out for transgender servicemembers now as well to prevent things like this from happening.

  So how do they explain the fact that over all these years no other gay,transgender, or even a depressed servicemember has leaked classified information like this before?

• kangaji
  7:49 am on December 23rd, 2011 12

  Depressed transgendered people are entitled to get their fellow Soldiers killed by leaking classified information if it is politically convenient! I’m sure the gays and transgendered people in Iraq and Afghanistan are grateful for the increased boost to their security Bradley Manning has given them by scoring domestic political points as well.

• kangaji
  8:04 am on December 23rd, 2011 13

  Actually, when the Bradley Manning case first came out some of my college buddies thought it was really cool that he leaked all that stuff onto wikileaks. They couldn’t understand why I was so angry except for the other military-college person with me. I tried to explain that he was going to get people killed with that information and some of them realized how serious it was but others just didn’t believe me. This was a good time artcle about “the other 1%” and it mentioned that journalists are among the highest demographics of people with a lower propensity to serve in the military. So, it’s scary that the college educated populace and journalists can be so uninformed that they take these arguments about Bradley Manning seriously, but also because of the potential insane policy choices they will encourage in the future and have been encouraging, because they don’t know what it’s like to serve. Noblesse Oblige journalists.

• Jon
  2:43 pm on December 23rd, 2011 14

  In a court martial a unanimous verdict is not required, and the ability to find someone guilty of lesser-included offenses (instead of whatever he’s charged with) means he will almost certainly receive some sort of punishment. It may not be as harsh as he deserves if found guilty (he still gets a presumption of innocence), but at least it would be something.

  Fun fact (or maybe urban legend): a dishonorable discharge prevents people from getting employment with anyone who has a contract with the government, meaning they can’t even work at McDonalds.

• guitard
  6:33 pm on December 23rd, 2011 15

  Leon LaPorte wrote:

  It was on a Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet) system. It doesn’t matter if he leaked public domain Betty Crocker recipes from the 1930′s.

  Once any data resides on that network it is considered Secret. There’s a banner on the screen that says, “SECRET”. Only a designated approval authority (usually an officer) can declassify anything that comes out of that system. If that’s his argument, he’s dead wrong and he, and everyone else (and anyone with a rudimentary understanding of classified material), knows it.

  Must be an interesting bunch of people…these folks who have a “rudimentary understanding of classified material.”

  This “designated approval authority” about whom you speak is the Foreign Disclosure Officer (FDO). You don’t need the FDO to declassify something that isn’t classified to begin with.

  So if someone does sends you a “Betty Crocker recipe from the 1930s” in your SIPR email – you can print it – take it home and use it – and you haven’t broken any rules regarding security.

  Or if you print off an open source (newspaper or magazine) article – of which there are many available on both SIPR and JWICS – you can print those and read them at your leisure at home. And you haven’t broken any security rules.

  About the only thing you might be guilty of in the above examples is wasting gov’t paper and printer ink.

• ChickenHead
  7:03 pm on December 23rd, 2011 16

  Guitard,

  I don’t know who is correct here… but your explanation brings up a very disturbing security flaw… meaning if you are free to export any information from a classified system without any oversight, it is quite shocking.

  The only safeguard between classified and nonclassified information is the end user pressing the print/copy icon?

• setnaffa
  7:44 pm on December 23rd, 2011 17

  GI Korea, RE your #11, Homosexuality was one method used by the KGB to blackmail folks into turning over secrets… https://www.google.com/search?q=homosexuals+blackmailed+into+spy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

  But maybe that doesn’t fit the meme? Manning and Choi both broke multiple laws because they’re narcissists. Sick, yes; but not an excuse for treason and murder.

  Some folks are gay. I’m overweight and opinionated. Others lie, cheat, gamble, spit, play cards, and/or chew tobacco. No one is perfect, or better than anyone else. We’re all sinners. We all need a Savior.

  Fortunately, we have one. And his Birthday is celebrated on December 25.

  Merry Christmas.

  Go to church on Sunday. You’ll be glad you did. http://www.songtanbaptist.com/

• guitard
  8:35 pm on December 23rd, 2011 18

  ChickenHead wrote:

  …if you are free to export any information from a classified system without any oversight, it is quite shocking.

  Essentially, the oversight is the security clearance and limiting access to only those who have a need to know. Only because you have a clearance doesn’t mean to get access to classified information.

  The only safeguard between classified and non-classified information is the end user pressing the print/copy icon?

  Manning was able to do this by copying thousands of documents onto a thumbdrive. USB ports on classified systems no longer recognize thumbdrives (or any other similar type recordable media). If Manning had to print all those thousands of documents, he would have looked very suspicious carrying them out of the office – and then how would he have sent them to Wikileaks? Not to mention the fact the printer’s history queue would have a record of everything he printed.

• ChickenHead
  8:39 pm on December 23rd, 2011 19

  We have a Savior…

  …but it requires sincere will, active effort, and (possibly but not necessarily) a bit of self-sacrifice, to be saved.

  The misconception that one can be “saved” by lazily asking for it, while somehow expecting the Savior to do all the real work, is unproductive… much like relying in the false belief that God serves man’s wishes and actually answers prayers.

  You can be truly saved… and the way is somewhat obvious with minimal guidance, even if the details are not… but so few recognize it… and fewer still work at it… and some of those who do don’t even realize they are on the Path of Salvation.

  And that is OK with God…

  …as, regardless of what self-serving religion teaches, the goal is the salvation of mankind… not the perpetuation of a personality cult.

  That time has passed.

  But Merry Christmas to all… as, regardless of what it means to you, it is a fantastic holiday.

• tbonetylr
  9:08 pm on December 23rd, 2011 20

  Myself, I like whistle-blowers
  “It’s not that whistle-blowers believe there is no need for some things to be kept secret,” Mr. Ellsberg said. “It’s that they believe some things are wrongfully kept secret.”
  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/us/hearing-in-private-mannings-wikileaks-case-ends.html?_r=2&ref=global-home

  “Eugene R. Fidell, who teaches military justice at Yale Law School, said he saw weaknesses on both sides of the case. The hearing, for example, was overseen by a military reservist who works as a Justice Department official and was formerly a prosecutor, raising questions about a conflict of interest. And he said he was skeptical that the military had enough evidence to show that Private Manning was guilty of aiding the enemy.”

  The sky has not, is not, and will not fall!

• kangaji
  9:11 pm on December 23rd, 2011 21

  How can I take this Christmas stuff seriously?

• Leon LaPorte
  11:50 pm on December 23rd, 2011 22

  18. A few corrections. Manning brought into the SCIF a DVD-RW with Lady GaGa on it. He was playing the music on his system wearing headphones. Seemingly innocent. As far as the USB and DVD-RW write privileges being disabled, yes that was done. However, the contractors who maintain the system (or the S6 shop) can unlock these restrictions at the guidance of the S-6 and/or unit commander due to their perceived mission requirements. So guess what? Most commands have already returned to business as usual with those security measures bypassed.

  Have a joyous time with family and friends during this Roman winter solstice (or some ancient pagan winter festival). I prefer Festivus! Whatever you call it that is the real reason for the season; not to peer skyward at invisible faeries or follow meaningless bronze age dogma (oh yeah, don’t forget capitalism). I think Carlin said it best, “be good to one another”. Peace, out.

• Thomas Lee
  1:16 am on December 24th, 2011 23

  #21…. that’s from April 2010. What does it have to do with Christmas?

• guitard
  4:13 am on December 24th, 2011 24

  Leon LaPorte wrote:

  As far as the USB and DVD-RW write privileges being disabled, yes that was done. However, the contractors who maintain the system (or the S6 shop) can unlock these restrictions at the guidance of the S-6 and/or unit commander due to their perceived mission requirements. So guess what? Most commands have already returned to business as usual with those security measures bypassed.

  I know of no sections in the J staff at USFK or the G staff at EUSA that have gone back to the days of freely using USB drives or DVD-R drives for copying/writing to recordable media on computers connected to the JWICS and SIPR networks (the networks on which classified information resides).

  To which commands are you referring? I’d be really curious to know which ones allow people to freely use thumb drives on classified systems.

• Leon LaPorte
  4:40 am on December 24th, 2011 25

  I can’t tell.

  But no, they aren’t using USB drives, that I know of – but DVD-RW’s happen. And a DVD-RW is what Manning used, not a USB drive.

  The actual media is unimportant.

• ChickenHead
  4:43 am on December 24th, 2011 26

  “To which commands are you referring? I’d be really curious to know which ones allow people to freely use thumb drives on classified systems.”

  Bradley Mannings?

• JoeC
  5:59 pm on December 25th, 2011 27

  After reading this article, I have to ask, where does a Cold Warrior go to find out what has been officially declassified?

• kangaji
  7:41 pm on December 25th, 2011 28

  Freedom of Information Act requests..
  http://www.fcc.gov/foia

  but you probably already knew that…

• JoeC
  9:15 pm on December 25th, 2011 29

  FOIA requests don’t provide unsolicited notifications on what has been declassified.

  I think maybe the only people who receive such notifications are those currently work with the material.

  Take this hypothetical, for example. I might be out and overhear someone talking about something I knew to be classified. I might call him/her to the side and caution him. Only then I might learn it was declassified years earlier.

  That’s what came to mind when I read the Fox News article.

• JoeC
  9:57 pm on December 25th, 2011 30

  #28

  I apologize. Your answer did lead me to these two sites, [1] [2]

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