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ROK Drop Open Thread – February 5, 2012

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  • Glans
    2:44 am on February 5th, 2012 1

    A special treat for Sonagi: Jonathan Lyons writes a guest column for Informed Comment, “Islam, Women, and the West”, adapted from his latest book, “Islam Through Western Eyes: From the Crusades to the War on Terrorism”. Just click on JuanCole.

  • ChickenHead
    5:28 am on February 5th, 2012 2

    I have something to say… about mechanical engineering… mostly about appliances.

    I have an LPG instant hot water heater in a bathroom. I don’t heat that part of the building and it dropped below freezing and the water heater popped a o-ring.

    After taking it apart, I realized German engineers are crazy.

    When a German designs something, he creates a mechanism for each part of the solution. When the first design cycle has its inevitable flaws and shortcomings, the German engineer doesn’t redesign the failed mechanism, he simply adds additional mechanisms to assist the failed one. This process continues until the device functions. The result is a smoothly-functioning machine made up of thousands of precision parts all held together with a large kraut jar worth of high-grade machine screws.

    After fixing the water heater, I designed a simple part that did the job of three over-engineered German parts. I built it in 10 minutes and installed it. Next time an o-ring pops, it will take 5 minutes to fix instead of 20.

    Japanese engineers strive for physical simplicity… but the intellectual complexity is astounding. While a German engineer will use a series of tensioned brass gears riding on ball bearings in a double-layer housing a Japanese engineer will use an incomprehensible 3 dimensional nylon cam held to a lubed metal peg with a c-clip retainer.

    Korean engineers either look at everything as if was a car… complete with the advantages and disadvantages of that approach, as cars are good but not everything is a car… or they jam a bunch of pre-made assemblies together into a pretty case and call it a day… with varying results. And no matter what it is, it has to have way more interface than necessary.

    Which, as I had to, yet again, “fix” the washer of a problem brought on by inconceivably poor design, brings me to my next point…

    KOREANS ENGINEERS ARE INCAPABLE OF BUILDING USEFUL APPLIANCES.

    Their thinking is wrong on too many levels.

    As my wife works more than I do, I do a lot of cooking and cleaning.

    It is blindingly clear that all of our top level Korean appliances were dreamed up by men who grew up studying for exams while being taken care of by their mothers… until they got married and they got taken care of by their wives.

    These guys have no clue how to make a dishwasher that properly fits standard dishes or has gaps small enough to keep beer glass-sized glasses from falling out of the ends when you pull the rack out.

    And who makes a washing machine that dumps a couple liters of water on the floor when you clean the filter? And is so hard to remove that a housewife needs a tool or a husband around to do it? And, if it gets clogged, the bottom-mounted filter dumps the entire load of water out on the floor.

    How about heaters/air conditioners? Whoever dreamed up the idea of putting a remote control on an air conditioner needs their azz kicked. Choose a comfortable temperature, set it, funk off. Instead, all winter, many of the people I know turn the heater to 30 until the sweat runs down your back and then turn it off when it gets too hot… at which point, 15 minutes later, everybody is shivering and the cycle repeats… with an annoying deeDeeDEE and DEEDeedee announcing the next freeze and melt cycle. Summer is the same… deeDeeDEE… 18 degrees and the windows fog… DEEDeedee… off until the linoleum floor is starting to get mushy.

    I could go on about vacuum cleaners designed by men who never vacuumed, stoves designed by men that never cooked; and certainly never had to clean one, blenders with all sorts of fancy-looking grooves that collect impossible-to-fully-remove gunk as well as any lab-grade gunk collector/analyzer, etc.

    Fortunately, my refrigerator, drier, microwave, toaster oven, etc, are American. Simple controls, to-the-point mechanics, quality results.

    I would buy a Hyundai car long before an American one but for home appliances, American ones are the best.

    Anyone agree or disagree?

  • tbonetylr
    6:06 am on February 5th, 2012 3

    # 2,
    Clean an appliance, Ha ha ha!!! My Samsung frig is old, ugly, and loud but it keeps on working without any cleaning. One of these days :???:

  • Sonagi
    6:39 am on February 5th, 2012 4

    A textual representation of textual representations of women in Islam? Gee, thanks, Glans. I didn’t need to read about American Muslims in Dearborn because I am from Michigan, went to school with plenty of students from Dearborn and often visited the city for good Lebanese food. Dearborn is a great model of evolved tolerance. A former mayor once declared that blacks were unwelcome in the city, only to see the Arab population that came to work in the Ford auto plants grow through family sponsorship after the 1965 liberalization of immigration laws. With permission from the Michigan High School Athletic Association, female athletes may wear headscarves, long-sleeved shirts, and long loose pants under their uniforms. The key difference between Islamic regimes and countries with Muslim populations is that hijab is voluntarily in the latter. Debates on burka bans in Europe often bring out the voices of Muslim women who support the ban by explaining that such extreme coverings are often compulsory through family or community pressure. Muslim women favor choice in an environment where they are free to exercise that choice.

    Most of my perceptions of Muslim women come from interpersonal contact and immersion experience. On my first visit to Malaysia in 1994, I was struck by how politically active the women were. Then trade minister Rafidah Aziz was outspoken and confrontational. Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad’s wife, the first Malay woman doctor, was not only seen by actually heard, too, in contrast to Korean first ladies. Malaysia is a Muslim-majority country, but it is not an Islamic regime. Big difference.

  • Sonagi
    6:41 am on February 5th, 2012 5

    Well, I botched that link, didn’t I?

  • kangaji
    6:59 am on February 5th, 2012 6

    American rice cookers suck compared to Korean ones though.

  • ChickenHead
    8:07 am on February 5th, 2012 7

    Kangaji,

    That was my oversight.

    Korean rice cookers are excellent.

  • Nomad
    3:35 pm on February 5th, 2012 8

    Korean cars and TVs, yes. Appliances, nope. But, the new Samsung french-door fridges are selling like hotcakes here in the states, despite their $2,000 – $3,000 price range.

  • usinkorea
    5:06 pm on February 5th, 2012 9

    Multiple stove eyes that can only be used one at a time – unless you use kiddie tea pot pots and pans…

    Anyway, I’m preparing to leave Korea again, and like the first time many years ago, my mind has starting tossing up images of things I didn’t realize I’ve been missing.

    Back then, it was the color green and grass and open spaces. This time, it is golden sweet corn….

  • Denny
    5:25 pm on February 5th, 2012 10

    Retired nasa worker shoots husband’s mistress in the face

    http://www.kctv5.com/story/16661660/judge-denies-shannon-oroark-griffin-lower-bond-mental-evaluation

    LIBERTY, MO (KCTV) -

    A retired NASA engineer who is the woman accused of murdering a Gladstone psychiatrist appeared before a judge Thursday.

    Authorities say O’Roark-Griffin and her husband, an Air Force colonel, attended a counseling session Jan. 13 in Great Bend, KS, where Roscoe Griffin told his wife he had no intention of ending an affair with Puscariu. Police say O’Roark-Griffin, who lives in Texas, then drove 250 miles to Puscariu’s home and shot her three times in the face in front of Puscariu’s Romanian mother.

    Prosecutors said O’Roark-Griffin should undergo a mental evaluation because, for 10 years, she was on mental health leave from her job. But defense attorneys rejected the motion saying O’Roark-Griffin, an aerospace engineer for NASA, suffered from anxiety and depression that prevented her from doing a highly stressful job.

  • Teadrinker
    7:13 pm on February 5th, 2012 11

    “It is blindingly clear that all of our top level Korean appliances were dreamed up by men who grew up studying for exams while being taken care of by their mothers… until they got married and they got taken care of by their wives.

    These guys have no clue how to make a dishwasher that properly fits standard dishes or has gaps small enough to keep beer glass-sized glasses from falling out of the ends when you pull the rack out.

    And who makes a washing machine that dumps a couple liters of water on the floor when you clean the filter? And is so hard to remove that a housewife needs a tool or a husband around to do it? And, if it gets clogged, the bottom-mounted filter dumps the entire load of water out on the floor.”

    I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one who’s been wondering about the exact design flaws you mention. And, yes, I think you nailed the reason why these flaws exist right on the head…Well, that and the fact that the solution would cost 15 cents more per appliance.

    “How about heaters/air conditioners? Whoever dreamed up the idea of putting a remote control on an air conditioner needs their azz kicked. Choose a comfortable temperature, set it, funk off. Instead, all winter, many of the people I know turn the heater to 30 until the sweat runs down your back and then turn it off when it gets too hot… at which point, 15 minutes later, everybody is shivering and the cycle repeats… with an annoying deeDeeDEE and DEEDeedee announcing the next freeze and melt cycle. Summer is the same… deeDeeDEE… 18 degrees and the windows fog… DEEDeedee… off until the linoleum floor is starting to get mushy. ”

    That’s not a design flaw. It’s a flaw in logic on the part of the users. Let me put it this way, when I step into a class and the heater is cranked up to 30C and everybody is wearing a thick parka, the students are not my best and brightest.

  • ChickenHead
    8:42 pm on February 5th, 2012 12

    Right.

    Technically, Korean products don’t have too many design flaws… but there are lots of logic flaws.

    My Samsung Galaxy S, for which the contract will be up this year, is a great example. Technically, it is a fantastic device… but the software has so many simple flaws that seem obvious after a few days of use… and would be very simple to fix.

    I noticed some of the Korean washing machines sold in the States also have the filter on the bottom. While most laundry rooms in Korea have a drain on the floor, most American ones don’t. I wonder how this works out for everyone.

    I am a big fan of 90s-era Whirlpool washers. They are simple, well thought out, indestructible, and shockingly cheap and easy to repair. The only upgrade I would suggest is a micro-controller and a couple LEDs to replace the mechanical timer dial. Sadly, I noticed a lot of poor reviews on modern Whirlpool washers… with Korean washers getting better reviews.

    As for the air conditioners, I always try to explain that the temperature of air coming out is always the same regardless of how hot or cold the thermostat is set for. I’m not sure my point is often understood… disappointing when talking to engineers and other well-educated people who presumably spent a lot of time studying for math and science tests. Somehow, passing tests on time-dependent functions doesn’t always translate into an understanding of them.

    My Korean stove’s lowest setting is too high. I have to trick it by turning it to a balance point just before shutting off. Of course I could regulate the gas flow before the stove… but then the high setting would be too low. Whoever came up with the max and min settings for the valves obviously never kept anything warm nor cooked anything in better.

  • Tom Langley
    2:08 am on February 6th, 2012 13

    Chickenhead, engineers need to be working WITH the people who will be using & servicing the products that they design. As you discussed home appliance engineers should work with housewives. Automotive engineers should work with mechanics. A well known example of where this did not occur is when Chevrolet designed the Monza(I think that was the name) many years ago. In order to change the spark plugs you had to take the whole f’ing engine out of the engine compartment. I bought a new water heater a few years ago that was made by A.O. Smith. I guess they just designed it & never tested it. The pilot light blew out CONSTANTLY from air going under the WH. Their “service” people were worthless & plumbers couldn’t help. FINALLY they came up with a skirt filter that wrapped around the bottom of the unit that solved the problem. I’ll never buy a water heater from that company again.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    2:49 am on February 6th, 2012 14

    C-mon, CH… we know you bought your Samsung A/C unit because of the Kim Yun-Ah ads… :lol:

  • kangaji
    8:45 am on February 6th, 2012 15

    North Korea is developing a Kamikaze drone.

    http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/02/06/2012020600255.html?news_Head1

  • ChickenHead
    10:06 am on February 6th, 2012 16

    “North Korea is developing a Kamikaze drone”

    Wouldn’t that be a Shinpoong drone?

  • kangaji
    11:40 am on February 6th, 2012 17

    Wording is kind of weird literally Northern “Unmanned Self detonating Fighter”

  • ChickenHead
    12:45 pm on February 6th, 2012 18

    Kangaji,

    My joke was the Korean pronunciation, shin and poong, for the Japanese kami and kazi.

    The next question…

    Being unmanned, is it really a kamikaze drone or is it just a plain old missile with a fancy new name?

  • kangaji
    5:00 pm on February 6th, 2012 19

    Yep yep, I got that. I was wondering the same thing.

  • LarryM
    9:16 pm on February 6th, 2012 20

    Three Wise Monkeys have been caught trying to twist the narrative again. In their continued quest to expose their own ignorance they’ve decided to come back with another round of Fisher vs the world. After being caught last time providing a false map on which they based a large portion of their narrative and argument, they had to start moderating comments, and now won’t approve any comments that disagrees with their narrative. Since it’s relevant to the military and community I’ll republish the comment here until TWM gains the necessary fortitude to join the adults at the conversation table:

    Wow.. you certainly kept us in suspense a long time for a big reveal.
    The reason things don’t match up is because Fisher is obviously lying. That’s been as clear as day since this entire thing started. Fisher repeatedly insists that Jeffrey is a “regular american”, but it’s quite clear that he’s a member of the military and that taints everything he’s said to date. Absolutely nothing he says can be taken at face value so long as he continues to lie. So really any inconsistencies that might appear on the basis of that don’t amount to a hill of beans.

    that he (Fisher) had lost his cell phone the day before his arrest, “at the military base.”

    Could this get any more contrived?
    He’s lost the sweater that could prove he’s innocent, he’s lost his cell phone that could provide a contact to the witness that could clear him.

    due to the officers questioning him “trying to twist” his words.

    and it’s little wonder what with the obviously blatant lies coming out of him. They were obviously just trying to wring the truth out of them.

    “he finished working at his base… on 2010.11.18 around 7 p.m. and rode the subway with a friend… to COEX Mall in Gangnam, and there he met… Jeffrey and shopped and dined for 4-5 hours, and after 12 at night he rode… Jeffrey’s car to Itaewon.”
    According to the original transcript, PVT Fisher did not make this statement. It is not clear from evidence what information the prosecutor is working from, if any.

    Well..this is certainly damning..let’s compare it to the original:

    After finishing work in the base at Dongducheon, I met a friend… to go to COEX shopping mall in Gangnam and there we met an ordinary American Jerry Jeffrey… and we shopped there for 4-5 hours and after spending time eating dinner we rode his car to Itaewon. Then we were going to a club but did not go to the club and spent time looking and walking around the streets of Itaewon. During that time, I was arrested by the police.”

    Those aren’t remotely the same right? except the parts about meeting a friend, going to coex, shopping and eating for 4-5 hours, meeting jeffrey at coex, and riding his car to itaewon, I mean..except for those things, it’s not even the same statement.
    Wow.. excellent catch.
    the ridiculous hyperbole and bias just continue. Let’s just be honest here, is “John M. Rodgers” Andre Fisher’s pen name? Because the writing and call outs here have all the credibility of the lies he’s continually spun to the authorities.
    The only real difference between what you posted above, and what was asked was the addition of 2 times, and the fact that they road the subway. Extremely trivial pieces of information that could have been asked at any time. I mean, maybe they checked the time with the army base that he finished, they assumed he took the subway, and being capable of basic math they figured out that he must have gone to itaewon around 12. So except for those 3 things, and all those other things that match.. these are basically like 2 completely different statements. The prosecutors should probably be tested for drugs.

    Peculiarly, PVT Fisher responds “…when I made a statement at the police office, I said that I went with my friend Miles and Jerry Jeffrey to COEX in… Jeffrey’s car.”

    Peculiarly? really? I guess if you’re wearing blinders and have your head buried in the sand it would seem that way. He’s lying and making it up as he went along. He obviously got his lies confused at that point.

    The fact that the original amount stolen from the taxi driver some 20 minutes earlier was 94,000KRW is largely dismissed.

    A lot can happen in 20 minutes. The two guys took off, and there is no telling that he didn’t grab a bunch and give it to the other guy, Jeffrey.
    It would only be damning if the police had apprehended him 3 feet away with a clear line of site the entire way to ensure that he didn’t dump it.

  • kangaji
    10:05 pm on February 6th, 2012 21

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/02/06/2012020601274.html

    YES! The translator agreed with me! Here’s Chosun Ilbo’s English translation of the article.

  • ChickenHead
    10:30 pm on February 6th, 2012 22

    Something we all must address
    is needless high tech for success.
    You don’t need a drone,
    if you wish to dethrone,
    just an RC plane with a GPS.

  • JoeC
    11:01 pm on February 6th, 2012 23

    #17

    From I recall of target drones, such as those used at the Combat Sage portion of Cope Thunder exercises in the Philippines in the 80s, they required direct line of sight tracking and guidance from a radar and telemetry ground control station. At Edwards Air Force Base, I believe they also did such line of sight tracking and control from modified chase planes. Today’s UAVs with satellite communication eliminate the need for direct line of site to the control station.

    The North Koreans have no communication satellites. It is unlikely they can expect a chase plane transmitting guidance and control signals to survive for long. If their drones depend on direct tracking and control signals from the ground they would have to fly high and be a very easy targets. The only alternative left is to pre-program their flight into internal guidance and make them nothing more than a cruise missiles.

  • Leon LaPorte
    11:15 pm on February 6th, 2012 24

    Cruise missiles can be very effective. Especially since the norKs have known the exact location of many high value targets over the last 50 years.

    Satellite communication is line of sight. :razz:

  • JoeC
    11:26 pm on February 6th, 2012 25

    “Satellite communication is line of sight.”

    That’s why I qualified what I meant with the word “direct” line of sight to the control station.

  • JoeC
    11:43 pm on February 6th, 2012 26

    #24

    BTW, a truly effective cruise missile is not just a point-to-point weapons. It should be able to do terrain navigation. That means the North Koreans would have to know much more than where the target is. Besides knowing where to avoid ground defenses, they would need accurate and up-to-date terrain and vertical obstruction data maps for their route to the target.

  • Tom Langley
    11:52 pm on February 6th, 2012 27

    Kangaji & Chickenhead. I’ll have you know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Korean rice cookers. My yobo could cook rice perfectly. Oh you meant mechanical rice cookers-never mind.

  • kangaji
    5:23 am on February 7th, 2012 28

    I use the import model cuckoo CR 0631F Rice cooker pictured here. It’s super effective.

  • Glans
    5:01 am on February 9th, 2012 29

    National security will be a difficult issue for the Republicans this year. The prominent conservative commentator George Will says:
    ‘Osama bin Laden and many other “high-value targets” are dead, the drone war is being waged more vigorously than ever, and Guantanamo is still open, so Republicans can hardly say that Obama has implemented dramatic and dangerous discontinuities regarding counterterrorism. Obama says that, even with his proposed cuts, the defense budget would increase at about the rate of inflation through the next decade. Republicans who think America is being endangered by “appeasement” and military parsimony have worked that pedal on their organ quite enough.’
    It’s in his column at WashingtonPost.

  • Glans
    9:49 pm on February 10th, 2012 30

    Whiskey, tango, foxtrot! Barbara Starr is reporting that a senior US official says there’s no evidence that Kim Jong-Un has been assassinated. It’s where else but CNN.

  • Chemlightbatteries
    10:56 pm on February 10th, 2012 31

    I have a Samsung DLP rear projection tv and the damned thing won’t quit breaking down on me! I have bought 4 bulbs for it over the last year and a half! Fook you Samsung, you are dead to me!

  • Casanova
    11:51 pm on February 10th, 2012 32

    In case you haven’t heard, K-Pop is spreading west.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/10/business/soth-korea-kpop/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

 

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