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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on February 23rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

iPad Outsells Galaxy Tab In South Korea

This just goes to show what a superior product Apple is offering considering that they are able to beat out Samsung on their home turf:

According to The Next Web, Apple is beating Samsung tablet sales in South Korea. The interesting part is that South Korea is Samsung’s home turf. The iPad holds an estimated 70 to 80% of the South Korean tablet market. Those percentages include both the original iPad and the new iPad 2.

In 2011 through the end of the year, Apple moved 700,000 iPad devices in South Korea. Sales in the first two months of 2012 contributed several hundred thousand additional units sold for Apple allowing it to surpass the 1 million tablets sold mark. The most interesting part of the story, is that the 1 million sold number could be much smaller than the actual number of iPads in the country.

Before the iPad officially went on sell in South Korea, the number of Apple fans would undoubtedly have ordered the tablet through other means. The most popular version of the iPad in South Korea is the Wi-Fi only version.  [i4U News]

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  • John in CA
    7:15 pm on February 23rd, 2012 1

    ipad as a whole package is better than galaxy tab due to sucky android (android before ICS) on galaxy tab. Android before ICS was really not ready for tablet. so in a way galaxy tab not selling as well is really google’s fault. :)

    I used to use iphone 3gs but switched to galaxy nexus. I waited until ICS came out as pre-ICS android phones really sucked (inaccurate typing, ugly etc). Now that I have galaxy nexus to compare with iphone 4s, I can see why apple is trying to sue samsung/htc etc.

    And I still don’t get why apple is suing samsung/htc/moto when apple said it wants to destroy android, which is really a product of google. I don’t get it.

  • Denny
    7:52 pm on February 23rd, 2012 2

    When it comes to purchasing products, Koreans aren’t as nationalistic as Japanese. They are willing to do buy non-Korean goods if the quality is there. On the other hand, in Japan, Japanese products, such as Playstation, always outsell American counterparts, such as Xbox. Most Japanese people do not consider buying non-Japanese goods.

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:14 pm on February 23rd, 2012 3

    I actually prefer the alternative to anything with a lowercase “i” in front of it. Call me a rebellious rebel! Now I’m just being difficult. But, somewhat, seriously…

    My wife bought some iSomething and plugged it into my PC to copy her music. She had to load ungodly amounts of software. The device also proceeded to start an ass-load of iProcesses, which ran all the time in the background, it converted the files to some alien format… etc etc. I think you get my drift.

    I bought here a Sony MP3 player and proceeded to plug it in and copy/pasta her music straight to it most ricky tick. Even she became less enamored with the iDevice in question. The Sony was portable, reliable and totally open.

  • Chris in South Korea
    8:39 pm on February 23rd, 2012 4

    Not surprised to hear the news – but their editor must have taken a day off of work when this one came over their desk.

    Quite happy with my iPad 1 16GB – unless the iPad 3 can actually slice bread, I’ll be sticking with it until stuff stops working.

  • Teadrinker
    8:55 pm on February 23rd, 2012 5

    I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the iPads sold were given as incentives to customers who signed new contracts with internet providers, the largest of which are owned by competitors of Samsung.

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:22 pm on February 23rd, 2012 6

    4. BOOM! Headshot!

    You might have something there.

  • JoeC
    9:35 pm on February 23rd, 2012 7

    #4

    Did you really mean contracts with basic internet providers or 3G service contracts? I don’t see where there would be a consideration to give away an iPad because a customer signed up for basic internet service. It’s practically a given the anybody in Korea with a computer will subscribe to hi-speed internet service.

    The article said, “The most popular version of the iPad in South Korea is the Wi-Fi only version.” That means they were getting the non-3G version which doesn’t require a service contract.

    Actually, I believe that many people who are frugal would buy a wi-fi only tablet if they already have a smart phone. Why would they purchase two 3G service contracts?

  • ChickenHead
    10:06 pm on February 23rd, 2012 8

    I’m with Leon.

    Apple is not only closed but incredibly intrusive. After upgrading, somebody gave me their year-old iPod. I installed iTunes and it did its best to take over my computer…

    …with seemingly no benefit to me and of questionable benefit to Apple.

    Further, a few kilobytes of well-written virus code can move mountains without affecting system performance or even being noticed. Apple’s files and processes were MASSIVE yet seemed to do nothing particularly useful while generally slowing down the computer.

    I uninstalled iTunes, including manual uninstalls of the (possibly intentional) clutter left lying around… and installed an open-source program that did the same thing at a fraction of the overhead.

    Then I realized what a piece of crap the iPod was.

    A $20 Chinese MP3 player plugged into the USB port and acted like a hard disk. I could copy well-organized files over in seconds and access them with a clear menu from a logical directory structure through an interface that included a button for every function.

    The iPod required special software to load and run (and charge!?!), wouldn’t play the files that the rest of the world uses, and always tried to be smarter than me (and it’s not)…

    …and the wheel interface should probably be reserved for Soviet-era communists (who were confused by too many choices) and people who should be sterilized in the interests of diversifying the species and promoting critical thinking.

    I resent an inferior interface being pushed upon me as “fashionable” or “simple” when the reality is that Apple can save 12 cents per unit not to include a button panel.

    One function, one button, people.

    I can play, pause, rewind, move through a directory, or change volume by feel with the thing in my pocket… rather than traipsing down the street with my face obliviously glued to the screen while scrolling through multiple levels of menus to get to some function buried at the bottom. The people on the street doing this are not only dangerous (and in danger) but look like the dumbed-down Apple-loving goofballs they are.

    So after about a week of being irritated with the nanny-state non-functionality of the iPod, I put it on the shelf. A month later, I decide to give it to a friend whose iPod died. I charge it up and… white screen of death.

    Apple “it just works” policy? Funk you, consumer.

    I suspect, not too long from now, Apple computers won’t have a keyboard… they will have just one big wheel and you can type by scrolling through the ABCs.

    As for Samsung, great idea… but the guys in charge of programming need to be kicked in the nuts.

    Instead of writing a TouchWizzzz interface that works well on the device (like Apple does), they write a ThouchWizzzz interface that does what they think it should do in an ideal world (in a half-azz way). Much like Microsoft bloatware, it would probably function (in a half-azz way) pretty well on next year’s device… but it is laggy, disorganized, illogical, and seemingly designed by people who never actually used the device they are pushing.

    I can endure this on a “free” phone… but there is no way I will pay for a device that is clearly not ready for the market… and, more insultingly, is clearly not ready for the market when the next version comes out.

    My contract will be over this year and it will be time to upgrade my smartphone… but, after 2 years of pumping out products with micro-incrementally better hardware and software that demonstrates a formerly-thought-to-be-impossible negative learning curve, there is nothing that strikes my fancy at all.

    Does anybody have any ideas what smartphone actually works smoothly, has an interface that doesn’t breed irritation, and will play well with all of the industry standard equipment at my house?

    Obviously, I am talking about Android as Apple resists custom programs… where as I downloaded the free Android SDK, learned amazingly-simple Android programming in a weekend, and now my house senses my Bluetooth signal when I arrive home, turns on the lights, unlocks the door, and says, “Home again, home again, jiggidy-jig. Gooood Evening, J.F.”

    Anybody happy with their mobile device?

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:13 pm on February 23rd, 2012 9

    7. My thoughts exactly, too lazy to type it. :razz:

    I’m pretty happy with my $20 Happy Telecom, card charged, slide phone.

    Apple is for iLosers (unless they are professional musicians).

  • lemmy
    11:12 pm on February 23rd, 2012 10

    Apple makes a superior product. After owning PC products since 1991 and Mac since 2005, I have found Mac computers and other devices more stable, less prone to virus’, more user friendlily, the Apple Support is hands down superior to anything out there and they have never referred me to a 3rd party software manufacture. I can find answers to most Mac problems within a few replies to on-line postings.

    Mac literally started from nothing and they are the best, but expensive. Samsung and others are inexpensive and substandard primarily due to the architecture. :cry:

    Its called choice

  • Maj.America
    11:45 pm on February 23rd, 2012 11

    @9

    I am totally with you. When I made the switch to Mac a few years back apple had me at the five second fire up. Apple products are indeed superior yet much more expensive especially Macs, but if you want anywhere near the quality of Mac you have to shall out a pretty penny for a comparable PC and that PC will still fall short of a Mac. iPhones are awesome, and iPads are light years ahead of the next best tablet which isn’t a Samsung galaxy tablet.

    @1

    I would argue that Iphones and Ipads are even more popular here in Japan than in Korea. That is probably why apple has iTunes Japan store, and not a Korean version. Apple products started slow here but now Japan is the 2nd largest market outside the U.S for apple related products.

  • Roboseyo
    12:31 am on February 24th, 2012 12

    For Samsung to have a higher demand in Korea than Apple, Samsung will have to convince Koreans that it’s a foreign company, so that the prestige associated with imported goods activates.

    I think they can do it.

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:46 am on February 24th, 2012 13

    11. Isn’t all their stuff made in China, Philippines and Thailand anyway? :lol:

    Oh, and north Korea….

  • Matthew
    5:11 am on February 24th, 2012 14

    My wife just bought a macbook air. The funny thing was that she got a 10% discount because she had a Samsung card.

  • Teadrinker
    7:04 am on February 24th, 2012 15

    #7,

    That’s how my brother-in-law got his. You’re obviously not aware that internet providers have also been giving hundreds of dollars in gift certificates and up to 6 months of free service to anyone who switches providers. I calculated and it took my provider 23 months to start seeing money out of me. In the end, they’ll make about 200$ off of me over the course of three years.

  • kushibo
    11:00 am on February 25th, 2012 16

    Chris in South Korea wrote:

    Quite happy with my iPad 1 16GB – unless the iPad 3 can actually slice bread, I’ll be sticking with it until stuff stops working.

    Ever since I got an iPhone4 in June 2010, I’ve been spoiled by amazingly crisp “retina display.” So much so that I decided to forgo getting an iPad2 the following winter when it turned out NOT to have a retina display.

    If the iPad3 (or iPad2S), or iSlice1 (if China gets its way on that lawsuit) has a retina display, I will be extremely tempted to get one, even though I actually won an iPad2 this past December.

  • kushibo
    11:11 am on February 25th, 2012 17

    Anyway, as an avid user of Apple products in Korea since the 1990s, I can tell you that the single biggest factor in Apple not having taken off long ago is not nationalism and not even tariffs (which until the Uruguay Round kicked in essentially doubled the cost), but the utter neglect of Elex Computer, their local distributor and service provider.

    They essentially dared you to come in and get things looked and fixed. If you had bought something from abroad, they would resist recognizing the warranty unless you could provide in triplicate original documents of purchase from back where it was bought (only slight exaggeration). If they didn’t sell a certain product themselves (like a Color OneScanner), then they would refuse to fix it altogether, even though they’re supposed to.

    Apple products were functional (back then, they dominated the printing industry), but not cheap. This is true today (though the price differential is far smaller), but it is compensated for by (a) an incredibly easy, fun, and functional user experience, and (b) a superb consumer experience in the buy-it store and the fix-it shop.

    Elex Computer ensured that the latter was utterly absent. Now that they are long gone from the scene, Apple has been able to take back its brand and improve its image, and slowly but surely they have won people over with the same experience people in other countries get.

    I’m not so sure nationalism was ever a factor. Buying expensive foreign goods has been a mark of superiority in a land of conspicuous consumption for decades. But people who are going to pay a premium for that will generally only do so when there is a perception of superior quality in the foreign good being purchased. Koreans will buy a BMW but not a Ford Taurus (the latter marketed as a luxury car back in the 1990s).

    Ditto with Apple. No one cares about Samsung doing well for the nation if Apple has a superior product in the iPad. Samsung’s doing just fine without me, they’ll say. Nationalism, the facile explanation offered by many newbie expats (and a few oldbies as well) for just about anything that happens in Korea, doesn’t go very far in explaining this kind of thing.

  • Thomas Lee
    1:36 pm on February 25th, 2012 18

    I love my Mac products… well, that is, all but ONE. I have two iMacs (one 21.5″ and one 27″) in addition to two MacBooks, four iPhones (wife and I both have one iPhone for Korea and one for the USA) and two iPads. All are great except one and that’s my 27″ iMac. I’ve had to take it in numerous times to have it repaired because it constantly overheats. If I visit any website that uses Flash, it quickly overheats and shuts down. I’ve had the HD, video card, fan, etc. replaced FOUR times in two years. I’m using it now, but have had to download a program called “Fan Control” to turn up the fan whenever it begins to overheat. Even with that program, as soon as I try to watch a video on it or visit a site that uses a lot of Flash graphics, it will overheat no matter how many RPM’s I increase the fan. This is clearly a flaw of the unibody design.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    10:28 pm on February 25th, 2012 19

    I bought my first Apple product three months ago, an iPhone4S. I am very glad that I bought it. I played around with the Samsung Galaxy and the screen on it is very nice but not as nice as the iPhone4S. Also the Internet browser kept locking up on it when I visited certain websites. Also the Korean language is not installed in the Galaxy which is ironic since it is made by Samsung. The iPhone4S comes installed with Korean as one of the language options. These were the factors that caused me to buy an iPhone. After getting the iPhone I have to say it is just a superior product to Android and enjoy using it though I had to get used to learning how to use iTunes.

    As far as an iPad I don’t see the point in getting one if someone has a smartphone and laptop. Maybe when I am in the market of needing a new laptop in a couple of years I will check out whatever the latest version of the iPad is but I just don’t see the point in getting one now. Same with the iPod, if I have an iPhone why do I need an iPod? There is supposed to be a new version of Apple TV possibly coming out this year. I may check that out though.

  • kushibo
    10:35 pm on February 25th, 2012 20

    Does anybody have any ideas what smartphone actually works smoothly, has an interface that doesn’t breed irritation, and will play well with all of the industry standard equipment at my house?

    I do, but I’m guessing you’d still try to find something wrong with it, so I won’t bother. Because seriously, do you like anything?

  • kushibo
    3:27 am on February 26th, 2012 21

    GI Korea, as someone who has a an iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro, I agree that if you have the first and last of those, you don’t need the iPad. Nevertheless, it’s fun to have, so if you’re offered one for free (as I was), I’d advise you take it. Ditto if you have disposal income, because the iPad still is a lot of things the others are not. It’s a portable computer that can be easily shared and handed off, nice for certain work environments and for watching movies in certain situations.

  • JoeC
    8:52 am on February 26th, 2012 22

    Apple is also positioning the iPad to be a portable universal textbook and professional manuals replacement device. Apple’s Mac OS X Lion offered a tool called iBooks Author to create it’s electronic book reader documents. Think multimedia PDF documents with embedded audio and video presentations.

    A number of schools from primary through graduate are already planning to have all of their students’ textbooks transferred to that and eventually eliminate the need for students to carry textbooks. Some military aviation units and commercial airlines are already starting to go that way. There was a comment where a type of aircraft (I forget which one) could do away with having to carry 40 pounds of operations and maintenance manuals on board every flight. I know the weight of manuals carried on some airlift and bomber aircraft was significantly more. That’s real money saved in fuel costs.

    I am sure Apple won’t be allowed to maintain a monopoly on that niche and Android will respond, but in the near term it seems Apple will have a great head start.

  • ChickenHead
    10:41 am on February 26th, 2012 23

    Kushibo,

    “Because seriously, do you like anything?”

    Certainly… but I don’t biitch about the things I love, now do I?

    But the fault is mine. You can only know me through my writing… and my writing that you know is in the one outlet for biitching that I have.

    “I do, but I’m guessing you’d still try to find something wrong with it, so I won’t bother.”

    That is because there WOULD be something wrong with it. Intentionally and knowingly wrong.

    There is an entire field of study devoted to just how wrong you can make a product that will not fully alienate the customer but will still make them enthusiastically shell out additional cash for the next micro-incrementally advanced model in hopes it will be substantially better.

    As this is based on a bell curve, there are a bunch of people who are happy with any noisy-flashy crap a company produces… and then there are those of us on the other side of the curve who are irritated that we are being played… cheated with crippled, incomplete, under-featured, low-performing products that COULD be perfect but aren’t.

    I joke that the designers obviously never used their own product… but the reality is they used it and added the flaws.

    As people are willing to change their phone every year as a fashion as much as a tool, the phone companies are happy to artificially limit the advance of quality and features to slowly bleed the public of their money until the market matures and, like PCs, there is little left to offer as encouragement for consumers to upgrade.

    Until market maturity, we have to put up with phones that are only a shadow of what is technically possible… with software just crippled or laggy enough to want to upgrade to next year’s model.

    Being happy in this situation is only for blissfully-ignorant suckers and the Buddha.

    Which are you?

  • Denny
    11:34 am on February 26th, 2012 24

    #13 Yes, Apple is pretty much a Chinese company now.

    Steve Jobs: Assembly Jobs That Apple Outsources to China “Aren’t Coming Back”

    http://newsrace.com/2012/01/22/iphone-assembly-jobs-that-apple-outsources-to-china-arent-coming-back-steve-jobs/

    As the late Steven Jobs reportedly told Barack Obama last February, the iPhone jobs Apple outsourced to China “aren’t coming back.”

    * American manufacturing plants can’t match the Chinese for speed and flexibility, and the iEconomy has noticed: “Companies once felt an obligation to support American workers, even when it wasn’t the best financial choice,” Betsey Stevenson, a former Labor Department economist told the Times. “That’s disappeared. Profits and efficiency have trumped generosity.” As one Apple exec added, “We sell iPhones in over a hundred currents. We don’t have an obligation to solve America’s problems.”

    * When Jobs demanded an unscratchable glass screen for his iPhone prototype in 2007, an Apple executive immediately booked a flight to Shenzhen, China. If Mr. Jobs wanted perfect there was nowhere else to go. One of the reasons for that? The Chinese government was subsidizing the glass-cutting factory: “It had a warehouse filled with glass samples available to Apple, free of charge. The owners made engineers available at almost no cost. They had built on-site dormitories so employees would be available 24 hours a day.”

    * The Foxconn City plant where iPhones are assembled has “230,000 employees, many working six days a week, often spending up to 12 hours a day at the plant. Over a quarter of Foxconn’s work forces lives in company barracks and many workers earn less than $17 a day.”

    * Education? “Companies like Apple ‘say the challenge in setting up U.S. plants is finding a technical work force,” said Martin Schmidt, associate provost at MIT. In particular, companies say they need engineers with more than high school, but not necessarily a bachelor’s degree. Americans at that skill level are hard to find, executives contend. “They’re good jobs, but the country doesn’t have enough to feed the demand,” Mr. Schmidt said.”

    * As the Times notes, Apple — which has an annual revenue of $108 billion, more than the combined state budgets of Michigan, New Jersey and Massachusetts — has made millions for individual investors, 401(k)s and pension plans. As an Apple exec notes, “We shouldn’t be criticized for using Chinese workers. The U.S. has stopped producing people with the skills we need.”

  • K
    2:43 am on March 7th, 2012 25

    New iPad to strengthen Korean parts suppliers

    Flash memory chips using finer 20-nanometer processing technology from Samsung Electronics, left, and SK-Hynix, right, are seen in this file photo. The upcoming new iPad from Apple will use memory chips supplied by the two Korean firms, and flat screens from Samsung and LG Display. LG Innotek and LG Chem are supplying camera modules and lithium-ion batteries, respectively. / Korea Times file

    Apple to buy Samsung parts worth $9 billion

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/03/123_106348.html

    Apple makes a superior product…

    based around Korean electronics hardware technology.

  • JoeC
    3:48 am on March 7th, 2012 26

    #25

    The USA gave up on it’s last holdout for domestic commercial electronic appliance production about 20 years ago when the last television producer, Zenith, was sold off to LG Korea. A lot of factors were involved with the loss of the US manufacturing market. I’ll just outline one of them here.

    You’ve probably heard of a company called Solyndra, a solar cell manufacturing company that went bankrupt. It became a political football in the debate about how far the government should go to subsidize private industry. When it comes to government subsidizations, in some areas, the USA can’t compete.

    Solyndra claimed that their problem was they were undercut by Chinese solar cell manufactures so heavily subsidized by their government that they were selling their panels at prices below their production costs. We heard the same complaints from American TV manufactures as they were going out of business in the 80s about their Japanese competitors; the practice of selling at a loss to capture market share and drive out the competition.

    Recently, Samsung has provided some confirmation to the Solyndra complaint. They too are considering giving up on their solar cell plans.

    Already, a cut of up to 40 percent in our investment plan has been decided, he said. Samsung had planned to invest 6 trillion won for solar batteries by 2020.

    “The solar-cell market is reeling from continued oversupply amid aggressive expansion by Chinese cell manufacturers,” the official said.

    “Samsung is not certain about advancing further with the current level of technology to make the business profitable,” said an industry expert.

    Solar cells were on the list of its “next-growth revenue drivers” along with secondary batteries for electric vehicles, light-emitting diodes (LED), medical equipment and biopharmaceuticals.

    “Samsung’s solar business has so far failed to yield any returns,” said a fund manager from a Europe-based investment bank in Seoul.

    Samsung SDI, the group’s arm in solar business, suffered from a profit decline by 30 percent in the fourth quarter of last year from a year earlier hit by big losses in its solar batteries.

    Samsung sources said Samsung has completely halted the operation of its money-losing crystalline silicon production lines for solar cells.

    Amount that list of “secondary batteries for electric vehicles, light-emitting diodes (LED), medical equipment and biopharmaceuticals”, I read elsewhere that they also decided to cede the LED market to China and stake it’s fortunes on OLED development. But China has already acquired it’s taste for blood in the electronic devices and components markets. They may be relentless until they have it all.

    They are coming. Check Six.

  • Innocent Bystander
    5:04 am on March 7th, 2012 27

    As a Samsung executive put it bluntly last month: “Honestly, we’re not doing very well in the tablet market.”

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/07/technology/ipad-tablet-rivals/index.htm?hpt=hp_c3

  • ChickenHead
    5:15 am on March 7th, 2012 28

    “Apple makes a superior product…”

    This line is frequently thrown about but never challenged. I am curious what the truth is.

    While Apple concentrates on very small design points that everyone gushes about, the difference between their black plastic box with metal trim and Samsung’s black plastic box with less metal trim means little.

    Galaxies consistently have more features than iPhones… and important things like drop resistance and camera performance favor the Galaxy. Galaxies are upgradable and expandable with SIM cards, MicroSD, and replaceable batteries.

    The open nature of Android allows drag and drop for multimedia via wifi, Bluetooth, or MicroSD… instead of jumping through Apple hoops.

    And, despite higher resolution, the Galaxy screen is larger, has higher contrast, and the proper aspect ratio for displaying movies.

    Galaxy generally browses the Internet more quickly and can access Flash.

    And, to top it off, the Galaxy has not had the well-known but institutionally forgotten problems with the antenna and proximity sensor that are conveniently ignored when people speak of how flawless the iPhones are .

    Samsung’s weakness is the software… where a multitude of relatively minor flaws degrade the “user experience”.

    Friends with iPhones have a superior interface… but also experience lag, freezing, and other problems.

    But I have never had an iPhone so I don’t really know.

    But I am curious.

    Why, again does “Apple makes a superior product”?

  • K
    6:12 am on March 7th, 2012 29

    There are clear physical limits what a small country of Korea can do in many technological endeavors. It is usual that such small countries gradually fall behind the grander techno-machinization of their bigger competitors through passage of time in the raw quantity of scientific outputs. In the natural cycle of scientific competition the US industry could have easily gained a comfortable, though not necessarily absolute, level of domination in a vast majority of the world’s most productive industrial fields, including in fields where smaller countries like Korea and Japan typically excel at present. Of course this is unassuming that Koreans and Japanese were completely unusual in their ability to dish out more work than what was initially thought theoretically physically plausible to outside observers, which in itself is probably not a very historically accurate assumption. A more reliable truth on the other hand may be that many past and present competitors of Korea and Japan, including China itself, could count themselves quite fortunate that Korea and Japan were, and continue to be, naturally limited in their ability to continue to expand their industry because of inherent physical limitations. This is a seemingly extremely long-term disadvantage on their side that physically bigger competitors will be prudent to exploit.

    It won’t be false to state that, compared to Korea, the US has many more capable basic assets which it can use to a lot greater effectiveness at fostering technological development, something which is, in theory, supposed to be much less vulnerable to the omnipresent Chinese competition than the same properties of China’s other developed East Asian counterparts. Unfortunately, It is also something that even a vast majority of educated Americans would readily agree that their country is not being very efficient at, at least not for the present moment as determined by all known measure sticks of observation.

    Imagine the combination of the efficient hi-tech industries of Korea or Japan with the population and resources of America pulling their proportionally increased weight in the technological field… this is something that America must strive hard to achieve in any favorably forecasted scenario of its industry’s long-run activities. It is quite obvious from the already innumerable tales of caution circulating about the future of US industry that the alternative would be much less preferable. Falling behind their exponentially smaller Korean or Japanese industrial competitors is at best a mere microcosm of the devastating outcomes of a more direct competition from the future Chinese. The US needs to build a sound insulation policy against this unavoidable, impending scourge, and very soon – try to make high-value products through highly localized manufacturing processes. This is something that developed Asian nations, at least comparatively, particularly excel at (and no, not necessarily through simple usage of cheap mass labor at the current generation). There many obvious practical ways to achieve this, and it is up to the American society to pick which.

    Don’t try to conceal or avoid the graveness of the issue of Apple seemingly having to use two-digit billion dollar’s worth of technology of, what some Americans might want to believe, comparatively ‘substandard’ Korean companies in annual basis to sustain the very core of one of America’s premier company’s far-reaching industrial activities – cost-quality competitiveness. You do not want this level of foreign-dependence to still be the case when it’s China’s turn to take the helm. The US industry must definitely aspire for high level of self-sufficiency through greater utility rate of efficiently working skilled workers, and the failure to do so may have severely devastating implications for America’s next generation. For Korea’s part… I think it should start at the more basic stage of trying to produce more babies. Alas, the fate of this country one-hundredth the size of the United States trying so hard to build a nation worth even ten of its states.

  • ChickenHead
    4:51 pm on March 8th, 2012 30

    Apple owners are quick to say that Apple is better…

    …but when directly asked WHY it is better, there is never a real answer.

    I was hoping somebody with iPhone experience would clearly say why it is superior to the flawed Galaxy.

    As the Apple cheerleading quickly becomes quiet when it comes time to discuss facts, I am starting to suspect the love of Apple is driven by the same emotionalism that attracts the non-thinkers to blind liberalism and faith-based religion.

    …and Apple fanboys are coming close to being added to my list of things to ridicule.

    But, having never owned an iPhone, I am still open to reason.

    Again… why is the iPhone a superior product?

  • K
    5:31 pm on March 8th, 2012 31

    “Again… why is the iPhone a superior product?”

    Because it sells more…

    stuffed with Korean electronic technology.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    6:39 pm on March 8th, 2012 32

    @30 – I already told you why I bought an iPhone4S in #19 and I am very happy with it so far. I already ordered the recently released Apple TV3 which is going to give my iPhone even more usability since all the movies, music, video games, etc. on it can stream on to my TV. If you have any specific questions about the iPhone4S feel free to ask.

  • kushibo
    6:47 pm on March 8th, 2012 33

    ChickenHead wrote:

    Apple owners are quick to say that Apple is better…
    …but when directly asked WHY it is better, there is never a real answer.
    I was hoping somebody with iPhone experience would clearly say why it is superior to the flawed Galaxy.
    As the Apple cheerleading quickly becomes quiet when it comes time to discuss facts, I am starting to suspect the love of Apple is driven by the same emotionalism that attracts the non-thinkers to blind liberalism and faith-based religion.
    …and Apple fanboys are coming close to being added to my list of things to ridicule.
    But, having never owned an iPhone, I am still open to reason.
    Again… why is the iPhone a superior product?

    Can you point to some actual statements for us to analyze instead of having us rely on your self-serving conclusions of others’ statements that were analyzed with prejudice in order to make a point?

    I enjoy Apple products, but the only person I’ve ever advised to get an iPhone or a Mac was my mother, and not because I thought they were “better” but would be, in her circumstances, an easier thing for her to use with more functionality, while also easier for me, since I am the one she always goes to for help figuring things out.

    I’ve had a lot of people ask me what Mac they should buy, and I’ve advised them, based on their circumstances, to buy a PC instead. Meanwhile, I’ve told others that they really ought to buy a Mac (for reasons like the above).

    I don’t think Apple products are a one-size-fits-best proposition any more than saying that the MacBook Air is the best computer of all the Macs; it’s an individual thing, depending on preferences and need.

    I’ve also never felt compelled to get the latest thing from Apple. I bought an iPhone 3G, but held out for an iPhone4, never getting the iPhone 3Gs (despite some functions I really wanted) or the iPhone4S (again, some cool functions I’d love to have). Nor did I buy an iPad or an iPad2, waiting for the iPad3 because I wanted a retina display. But now that I actually have an iPad2 (I won it in a contest), I don’t think I’ll buy the iPad3 that is just now coming out.

    I am thinking about replacing my three-year-old MacBook Pro with a MacBook Air in a few months if they really do come out with a retina display, but otherwise, my wallet is shut.

    I like Macs because they are, for me, much more intuitive, seem to crap out less often (software and hardware), require much less setup and tweaking, and are easy to get going if you don’t feel like spending a lot of time setting them up (or don’t know how), while also allowing you to do a lot of tweaking and customizing if that’s were you’re inclined to do.

    I don’t like the Windows experience. For my home-based office back in Seoul, I did buy one PC (running Windows XP), making it one PC against three or four Macs. I used it from time to time, but found it frustrating to operate occasionally.

    But that’s me. I know other people who don’t like Mac OSX and I wouldn’t advise them to get one, simply for that reason. Nor would I advise someone to get them if they’re looking for something to dislike about them.

    Obviously in your case, ChickenHead, you’ve had enough experience operating Macs or Apple products to know that you don’t like them, so, no, they are not better, in your particular case.

    Get a Blackberry, or a Samsung Galaxy. I know there are people out there who prefer them, so in some respects they certainly must be better.

    I’m fairly certain, though, that the iPad operation and experience are superior to an Amazon Fire. But if you can’t afford an iPad3, then what good is that? In that case, the Amazon Fire is a better tablet.

    I agree that, in some cases, there are people who just love Apple products so much that that’s what they get and they always want to get the latest. I know such people, though it has nothing to do with their politics (they run about 50-50, Dem versus Republican, and Steve Jobs’s apparent snubbing of Barack Hussein Obama has made Jobs something of a darling among some on the right, who may note that Rush Limbaugh loves his Macs). That seems a bit of a red herring.

    I tend to have brand loyalty if I’ve really enjoyed a product and they haven’t given me reason to doubt their products, though I will always check out competitors’ from time to time. I like my Honda/Acuras, my LG phones in Korea, etc., etc., and will tend to look at them first. In Korea, all things being equal, I will buy LG over others.

    Now, on the other hand, I can tell you why the iPhone on the AT&T network is superior to Verizon or Sprint, assuming network quality tends not to be an issue where you live/work (for me, I’ve had no trouble with the AT&T network in Hawaii, though some in California/Nevada).

  • setnaffa
    6:48 pm on March 8th, 2012 34

    There is a lot of bovine scatology here. The best item is not always the one that sells more units, it’s a false criteria.

    Apple sells a lot of products; but mostly to folks who are willing to buy expensive crap.

    Sprint sells both Galaxy and iPhone. The choice is pretty clear to me. But then, I always disliked Berkeley Unix anyway.

  • kushibo
    6:49 pm on March 8th, 2012 35

    Can you point to some actual statements for us to analyze instead of having us rely on your self-serving conclusions of others’ statements that were analyzed with prejudice in order to make a point?

    That was supposed to be followed by a wink. ;-)

  • kushibo
    7:00 pm on March 8th, 2012 36

    ChickenHead wrote:

    “Apple makes a superior product…”
    This line is frequently thrown about but never challenged. I am curious what the truth is.

    I’d also like to point out that it was Lemmy who made this statement.

    And Lemmy’s love of Apple products is that their manufacture drives Chinese workers to suicide. ;-)

  • JoeC
    8:19 pm on March 8th, 2012 37

    #34

    “But then, I always disliked Berkeley Unix anyway.”

    I don’t get it. What do you mean by that?

  • setnaffa
    9:10 pm on March 8th, 2012 38

    JoeC, it’s a religious thing. I prefer System V:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_V_Release_4

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • JoeC
    9:18 pm on March 8th, 2012 39

    I just heard something on an NPR discussion about mobile device security. They said many companies no longer provide operating system updates after the terms of the device’s payment contract is complete. So, once your device is paid off, after maybe the term of a two year plan, you will be paying for 3G/4G data service but no longer paying for maintenance of the device.

    What that seems to mean is that while Apple will make available iOS updates to all owners of iPhones and iPads through iTunes regardless of what telecom they get their service from, if you have an Android based device you are on your own to figure out how to get Android updates, if it’s even possible, after your device’s maintenance is no longer covered by your service plan.

    Unless the owner of a legacy Android device has the technical skills to figure out how to install security updates after their support term expires, they could be left using a security vulnerable device or have to purchase a new device every 2 years.

    Did I understand that correctly? Has anyone run into that situation yet?

  • ChickenHead
    10:01 pm on March 8th, 2012 40

    JoeC,

    Mac’s OS X operating system was based on NeXTSTEP which was based on Berkeley Unix. I presume that was the reference.

    Kushibo,

    I am honestly interested in honest answers about the iPhone. My contract will be over in 6 months and I will be able to upgrade my phone for free or at a minimal cost… if there is any reason to.

    Samsung’s Galaxy is functional… but filled with too many small-but-irritating flaws to develop any brand loyalty… though workarounds for most of them are so habitual that they seldom annoy me now… and I can just as easily keep this phone until something exponentially better comes out.

    None-the-less, I would actually consider an iPhone… if someone could give me concrete reasons why it is superior to other products…

    …but I am VERY turned off by how the fanboys talk about Apple products… as everything seems fashion or emotion-based rather than factual. Even vague statements about “better user experience” never seem to be clarified with exactly HOW it is a better experience. The one time I used an iPhone, I experienced glitchy lag no different than what I sometimes get on my Galaxy… with no earth-moving difference in the interface.

    So I am starting to think the love of the iPhone is no different than the perverse devotion to the iPod.

    Without question, the iPod was an inferior product to cheap Chinese MP3 players in every way except styling and organization software… yet, like talking to a GI about his juicy “girlfriend”, iPod owners would look me right in the eye and claim black was white when I asked direct questions comparing the two MP3 players sitting on the table right in front of us.

    This poisoned my mind in no small way toward Apple products and Apple fanboys… as this behavior drives the exploitation found in cults, dictatorships, and juicy bars… and it is difficult for me to like, and impossible for me to respect, people who are this intellectually dishonest with themselves.

    However, while I appreciate your long write-up which basically said “different products are better for different people”, it didn’t answer my question of why iPhones are better than other phones… and it did not give me any new reason to consider an iPhone for my next phone.

    As of now, the hardware appears to be slightly inferior to other options and the closed system is a big minus… as, despite all the Walled Garden hype, Android’s openness has caused me no problems and had many benefits.

    On a side note, I can understand why Apple computers are better for those who want an “appliance”. My PCs run flawlessly on years-old installatons… but that requires frequent tweaking at a registry/process level to neutralize crap that gets installed and reverse the damage Windoze does to itself on its slow, self-destructive path to Requires a New Install Suicide. For the vast majority of users who have no idea about how to do this, I always wonder how they keep their machines usable… with a partial answer being that many of my computers were thrown away by people who thought the poor performance was due to them being a couple years old instead of the reality of cancerous growth of spyware, bloatware, toolbars, hooks, agents, needless background processes, peepers, etc.

    Anyway, again, I am still curious why iPhones are “better”.

    On another side note, my friend has an LG 3D phone which also has a few irritants… but the 3D is amazing… as if they finally reverse engineered the UFO that crashed in Roswell. I am surprised that 3D is not the standard for every phone.

    GI Korea,

    Your explanation was mostly “just a superior product” based. Typical Apple fanboy talk… not that I’m accusing you of being a fanboy… but that is generally the type of answer I get.

    As for your problems, with VERY heavy use, I have had a few browser crashes on Android in 18 months but not enough to complain about. Korean phones come with Korean in Korea… so that is not an issue… but it makes sense for you. I will look at the screens side-by-side and report back with my findings. No Korean language ability would have probably driven me to an iPhone as well.

    Because of the reasons I mentioned before, from hardware specifications, additional functions and features, durability, and an openness that allows you to do exactly what you want instead of being “taken care of” based on the wishes of Apple, I still cannot understand why iPhones are “just a superior product”.

    Just like the iPod, nobody will give me factual, rational, concrete reasons based on specifications, capabilities, functions, or performance.

    It’s all very odd and frustrating.

  • kushibo
    11:09 pm on March 8th, 2012 41

    ChickenHead, I will take at face value your assertion that you are honestly interested in honest answers about the iPhone, even though you yourself are someone who seems never to take anyone’s assertions at face value.

    I have already expressed that the iPhone is better for some people and not for others, including those who are predisposed to think that appreciation of Apple products is all hype and no substance.

    If you were in the United States, I would suggest going to an Apple Store, playing with one, and buying one on a trial basis within the return period to see if it really is something you’d like. Maybe it would be, and maybe not, but you wouldn’t really be out much (or anything). I don’t know if Apple Stores in Korea allow this for very long, but if they do, take advantage of it.

    You see, only you can know if it is better for you.

    3D sounds cool. I was willing to buy a certain Korean phone before because it promised a wall projector, but it didn’t pan out as nicely as I’d hoped; nevertheless, I can appreciate why someone might buy something for a particularly appealing feature.

    As a Mac user, I like how my iOS (Apple’s mobile OS) integrates well with my Macs. I’ve been taking advantage of iCal a lot lately, and my iPhone, iMac, iPad, and MacBook Pro all make sure I see the alerts for this appointment or that appointment or getting that DVD returned to the library, etc. This is less of an advantage if you don’t have other Apple devices.

    Another thing I suggest is talking with someone who switched from a non-Apple product to their iPhone, to see why they did it and whether, in the end, they were happy they did. My mom was very happy. She never seemed to get the stuff her Blackberry could do, but she utilizes the heck out of her iPhone4. (I wouldn’t have recommended an iPhone 3G for her, but the screen quality is so much better on the iPhone4 that it works well for her).

    Anyway, those people who have switched would probably have more relevant opinions for you than those who are “fanboys.” Frankly, the fanboys often have needs/demands on their phone that are divergent from mine, so what they say is irrelevant to my opinion.

    Anyway, that’s the best I can do for you in your particular situation. I like the ease of use, the coordination with my other Mac/Apple devices, the responsiveness, the screen, etc. It does a very passable job with Hulu+ and Netflix for me, so it keeps me entertained. I’ve conducted interviews with its video camera and I think the color on iPhone pictures is pretty vivid, so much so that I’ve stopped carrying around a camera for anything other than serious photography.

    I don’t have Siri, but I’ve used it, and it comes in quite handy for doing things while you’re driving (you only have to push the button on the wire near your mouth). It’s not perfect, but it gets the job done (usually) for sending text or email on the fly, using Yelp, etc., etc. Still, not so much that I’ll scrap 1.5-year-old iPhone4 for a 4S, especially if a 5 is coming in June or July.

    But you may be completely different, so it’s best if you get a hole of one and use it yourself. If they do that in Korea.

    Another thing I’ll say about the Apple experience is that the Apple Store geniuses make a huge difference. They’ve gone way out of their way whether I’m in Honolulu, Orange County, Las Vegas, or even Seoul. They’ve replaced things they didn’t have to because they were out of warranty, they make danged sure you have your technical question answered accurately (though this requires an appointment, one that can be made while you’re on the way to the store), etc.

    About two years ago, I dropped my MacBook Pro off the table at Starbucks and caught it with my foot. It was fine, though my foot hurt like a muther, but it had gotten a huge gash in it on the way down (sliding along the table leg). Well, I had some other minor issue with my computer that needed looking at, and I was afraid they would look at it and assume that whatever had caused the gash had caused the problem with the computer (though the problem predated the gash, but they didn’t know that).

    Well, I left my computer there for a couple days for them to diagnose it and fix it, if covered by Apple Care. Not only did they fix it without accusing me of having caused it, they also polished out the huge gash in the computer.

    Awfully nice of them, but to some degree the extra you pay for a Mac (which is comparable to a similarly equipped PC with the same features) is for country club service. They don’t do everything, but there’s a lot of little things they will do.

    I’m loath to include that as a reason to buy an Apple product, though, since each Apple Store might be different (especially in another country) and if you don’t have easy access to an Apple Store, it wouldn’t be useful anyway.

    One other caveat about the great service I’ve received: I am extremely good-looking, obviously rich, and with a package so huge I can’t obscure it even with pants made from thick material, so this treatment may be the result of people trying to get on my good side, even the men.

  • Glans
    11:28 pm on March 8th, 2012 42

    Face value = two cents. :lol:

  • Tom
    5:38 am on March 9th, 2012 43

    If you want any Mac products, and you want to hook it up to wifi, you better make sure you buy the Mac Extreme wifi switch too. I had this experience when I purchased my MacBook Air, it would not connect to a Linksys switch. I spent hours, trying to configure, talking on the tech support, it was a nightmare. Finally, I went and bought the Extreme for mega$$$ and it finally worked.

    Everyone says MAC is God, but Chickenhead, I don’t see it either. It’s more nuisance than anything, because the system is so closed. Not only you have to get Mac Extreme for wifi, you have to use iTune – that terrible shit software, to do anything. When a friend of mine asked me to transfer some music into her iPhone 4S, it took hours trying to figure out why iTunes won’t import the music to the phone. Normally, any music files should be copied and pasted into the device. But with iTunes, you need to be a rocket scientist. Finally, I had to go and download a free software that bypasses iTunes, that ables you to copy and paste the music into the iPhone.

    LAME!!!

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    6:13 am on March 9th, 2012 44

    @40 – Trust me I am not an Apple fan boy and the iPhone4S I bought was the first Apple product I have purchased. When it came down to buying the iPhone over the Galaxy the biggest negative I could find about the iPhone was that people would think I am a fan boy.

    When I decided to purchase the phone I had both the iPhone and the Galaxy side by side and was comparing them by one factor at a time. The fact that the iPhone had the Korean language pack installed in it and the Galaxy did not was the final factor that caused me to go with the iPhone. This is not to say that the Galaxy is a bad phone. It is a very good phone and was slightly cheaper than the iPhone.

    I had never used iTunes before so that is something you have to go used to after purchasing an Apple product. I am pretty good at using iTunes now but there is a learning curve with it that may frustrate you if you decide to go with an iPhone. The one time I had to deal with Apple customer service at the Apple store I found them to be highly professional and one of the best customer service experiences I have had. This is anecdotal so take it for what it is worth.

  • setnaffa
    6:34 am on March 9th, 2012 45

    Kushibo: “[iPhone is better because] As a Mac user, I like how my iOS (Apple’s mobile OS) integrates well with my Macs.”

    Sorry, that makes you indistinguishable from the fanboys. :mrgreen:

    GI Korea: “The fact that the iPhone had the Korean language pack installed in it and the Galaxy did not was the final factor that caused me to go with the iPhone.”

    The fact that there are at least 10 different Korean language sets for Android never crossed your mind? Or the multitude of other apps you can easily install without help from the Genius Bar? :shock:

    Tom: “[I use all sorts of Apple products and they're all crap]”

    Well, I think we can see that some people with too much money burning a hole in their pockets SHOULD buy Apple products… :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:47 am on March 10th, 2012 46

    @45 – When I was checking out the Galaxy phone I asked the employee to set up the Korean language pack and he said it had to be downloaded and configured. I told him to do it and he spent 15 minutes trying to do it and could not figure it out. He even got the other guy working in the store to take a look at it and he couldn’t do it either. The iPhone on the other hand you literally go to settings and choose one of dozens of languages and it is set. Takes less than 10 seconds to do. Samsung should have built in the language packs into the phone just like Apple does.

    @41 – If you have an iPhone4 I don’t think it worth getting the 4S simply because of the Siri. The Siri is interesting but I don’t really use it that much. I pretty much use it to send out text messages or e-mails which I don’t do much of. I am looking forward to see how well the Siri works with the Apple TV3. If I can tell my iPhone to play a certain movie or show on Apple TV without using my TV remote that would be pretty useful.

    The upgraded camera in the 4S is really good but once again not enough to where I think it warrants going out of your way to buy the 4S. The iCloud service is pretty useful though and it saves a lot memory since things like pictures and music are stored in the cloud instead of on the phone. Do iPhone4 users get iCloud access as well?

  • JoeC
    2:20 pm on March 10th, 2012 47

    #46

    “Do iPhone4 users get iCloud access as well?”

    Yes. iCloud access is a service that became available with iOS5. When legacy iPhone4s upgraded to iOS5 they got access to iCloud.

  • kushibo
    3:10 pm on March 10th, 2012 48

    JoeC answered the question for me. I want to add that the iCloud thing is great for integrating various other iOS5 products (iPad, etc.) and Mac OSX products running the latest version that is designed to compat with iOS5.

  • ChickenHead
    12:05 am on March 18th, 2012 49

    —– iPhone 4S (most recent model) vs. Galaxy (1st generation) —–

    After talking to a lot of people, asking very direct questions, not accepting bullshyt answers, and playing with the iPhone a little bit, I am even more confused by the hype.

    So I asked… “Why is the iPhone better than Samsung?”

    In order of popularity…

    #1 Answer: “It has a better design.”

    WTF? They are both little plastic rectangles with a glass front and a single button… and the “better design” of a metal band around the iPhone isn’t really a better design the first time you drop it… so all the iPhone owners have cases and covers and rubber bumpers that hide the “better design”.

    My Galaxy has taken some serious falls (on a weekly basis) without any issues. I have no stickers or covers or screen protectors or any other crap hanging off of it.

    I suppose the “better design” aspects of the iPhone would have been important to me in high school when I had time to notice those nuances of form over function… now, I see it as childish.

    Style is still very important… but its importance is proportionate to its uniqueness. The iPhone just isn’t much different than all the other little glass and plastic rectangles on the market. Make it out of anodized titanium with custom laser engraving and I’ll be impressed with the “better design”.

    #2 Answer: “It has more features.”

    Great. Show me. Hmmmm. Everything iPhone owners showed me was a standard feature with Android/Touchwiz… except the Galaxy has DMB, removable/expandable memory, removable battery, easy charging from charger or USB, Google Maps integration, and a few other things iPhone can’t do because of hardware limitations.

    Nobody could show me anything special the iPhone could do that the Galaxy couldn’t… though I showed them things the Galaxy could do which the iPhone couldn’t… and probably made some future Samsung customers if the iPhone fad dies out.

    As for iTunes, iCloud, etc., Google has equivalents which are substantially more open… though I haven’t used Apple or Google services enough to form a real opinion…

    …though I wish painful death on those responsible for the bloated, intrusive, forced-nanny crap that is iTunes… and I have little respect for those who will endure using it just because they lack the organizational skills to manage their music… and even less respect for those who keep saying how great it is but can’t say how… a reoccurring theme with Apple owners.

    Anybody here want to take a shot at explaining the virtues of iTunes?

    #3 Answer: “The screen is better.”

    Two phones, side-by-side, brightness turned up all the way, on similar content… iPhone looks SLIGHTLY sharper if you really look for it… Galaxy looks much brighter. I liked the Galaxy screen better. Under a bright light, the iPhone looked gray and dull by comparison.

    The reality is there is only a noticeable difference if held side-by-side and closely scrutinized… with iPhone owners coming off like the smug diick who swears he can taste a difference in a screwdriver made from high-end vodka (even when everybody else saw you make it with soju behind his back).

    #4 Answer: “iPhone works better.”

    There were 3 girls with iPhone 4Ss. After making this statement, the girl with the 3 day-old iPhone was giving me a demo… and it locked up. She had to turn it off and back on. She said it had done it a couple times before. The other girls admitted it happened every now and then… though they couldn’t give me a frequency. After a bit of debate they said it was at least once a month.

    My Galaxy has locked up a few times… though not for many months…

    …but the old “Apple just works” is more fanboy bullshyt… as everybody I talked to has had to reset their iPhones… and the internet is FULL of iPhone problems.

    So…

    I don’t know what to think.

    With a few pluses and minuses, the iPhone seems pretty equal to any other upper-2nd tier smartphone. With no 3D, HDMI out, waterproofing, MP3 transmitter to your car stereo, etc., it is certainly nothing special…

    …and likely inferior in software if the Android phone makers would quit crippling their phones with crappy overlay interfaces in an effort to differentiate their products.

    As I am running long-outdated Android 2.1 on a 2+ year-old phone with Touchwiz clogging it all up, I would expect to be blown away by a 3 day-old iPhone 4S. I wasn’t.

    If one compares a newer phone like the Galaxy Nexus running pure Android 4, the iPhone doesn’t even compare in features, performance, capability, or amazing hardware.

    I’m not saying someone can’t be happy with an iPhone… as it does exactly what it claims… but it is not nearly as impressive as the myth iPhone owners keep indignantly perpetuating.

    The starry-eyed devotion to iPhones and the constant demand for everyone to recognize it as a superior product really rubs me the wrong way.

    More-so, now that I fully recognize the iPhone is just an average phone with above-average marketing and a slick, but fully-manufactured, image… primarily targeted at those who think it will give them some sense of identity.

    So. That’s that.

    If anybody thinks I am wrong, please tell me why.

  • kushibo
    1:09 am on March 18th, 2012 50

    ChickenHead, without a doubt, and in all seriousness, it’s obvious to everyone that you should get a Samsung Galaxy.

    Even where the iPhone may in fact be the better phone, you will have convinced yourself otherwise. Unless the joy you get from an electronic device is griping about it, in which case you should get the iPhone, because you’re already convinced it is inferior and that its popularity is merely hype.

  • kangaji
    1:15 am on March 18th, 2012 51

    The only thing I don’t like about my Galaxy is the crazy amount of power consumption.

  • ChickenHead
    1:33 am on March 18th, 2012 52

    Kushibo,

    Why do you have to act like that?

    I clearly stated why I believe the iPhone to be inferior.

    If you disagree with my research or conclusions, tell me where I am wrong. Otherwise, your typical fanboy emotional no-substance snideness is meaningless…

    …and a perfect demonstration why those who promote Apple products the loudest are tools.

  • kushibo
    1:56 am on March 18th, 2012 53

    Why do you have to act like that?

    Act like what? You have been inquiring about getting a phone and wondering if that should be an iPhone, and the answer in your case is pretty clearly no.

    I clearly stated why I believe the iPhone to be inferior.

    Wait a minute… I thought you were asking about suggestions for a new phone when your contract ends, including the possibility of an iPhone.

    So what you’re saying is that that was all a ruse to underscore your opinion that a product you’ve never really used is inferior?

    If so, as I suspected, this was a frivolous exercise for anyone who would attempt to answer your question by stating why they prefer the iPhone.

    As for me, I’ve been consistent: the iPhone is good for some, but not good for others, including you who is convinced, without any meaningful first-hand experience, that he will not like the iPhone. Ergo, don’t get the iPhone.

    Notice I never said the iPhone was better than another product. Why? Because (a) that is a somewhat subjective thing, and (b) my exposure to other smartphones is limited to two relatives’ Blackberrys, which seemed clunky to me.

    I never got the whole Crackberry phenomenon, but I know that others swore by them, and that’s great for them. I wouldn’t waste my time telling them they’re wrong, but if they asked me if I liked my iPhone, I’d tell them yes and try to find some things relevant to their own user needs why it may or may not be a good fit.

    My brother seemed to be trying to convince himself more than me why his Blackberry was better than an iPhone, but ultimately he got himself an iPhone (with no influence from me).

    So again, YOU, ChickenHead, should not get an iPhone. You are already convinced you will not like it, and I don’t think it’s so great a device that it will overcome your bias. And maybe a Samsung Galaxy truly has the features you will enjoy. Go play with one and find out.

    If you disagree with my research or conclusions, tell me where I am wrong. Otherwise, your typical fanboy emotional no-substance snideness is meaningless…

    Fanboy? In what way? I’ve been telling you not to buy one. I haven’t told anyone except my mother to buy one. I didn’t buy the iPhone 4S, and just today, in ten minutes, I realized I wouldn’t be buying an iPad3 but stick to the iPad2 in my possession (after having not purchased either the iPad or the iPad2).

    I have answered your question objectively. Maybe my point got lost in the philosophical way I presented it. By way of analogy, imagine you think cars with a manual transmission are preferable to cars with an automatic transmission. You ask me what kind of car I would recommend, and I tell you that I like the car that I have quite a lot for reasons u, v, w, x, y, and z, but it does not come with a manual transmission (at least not where you live). Flat out, even if it is a better car for me in some respects than what else is out there, if it is not a manual transmission, you will not enjoy it, to the point that you will not appreciate its other virtues, and therefore you should not buy it. That’s what I’d recommend.

    Or maybe the problem is in your premise: I certainly did not state that iPhones are “better,” certainly not for all persons.

    …and a perfect demonstration why those who promote Apple products the loudest are tools.

    In what universe am I promoting Apple products the loudest?

    What’s the reason for making this a personal attack?

  • Glans
    2:20 am on March 18th, 2012 54

    How said that “tool” is considered an insult. To call someone a tool should be telling him that he is efficient, effective, helpful, and valuable. In that sense, I say: kushibo, you are a tool.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    9:23 am on March 18th, 2012 55

    I don’t know why Chickenhead keeps looking for an argument on this topic? Which screen looks better is very subjective. I thought the retina display on the iPhone4S looked slightly better than the Galaxy. Chickenhead thinks differently and that is fine. I have had no issues with my iPhone4S but apparently others have. I have seen nothing definitive that shows the Galaxy is more reliable than an iPhone so once again this a subjective argument.

    I have already stated there is a learning curve with using iTunes. Now that I know how to use it I have no issues with it. It does what I need it to do. If iTunes doesn’t do what you need it to do than don’t buy an iPhone. By the way Chickenhead what is that iTunes can’t do that you need it to do? I have burned by entire CD collection on to iTunes and I can put whatever songs I want on to my iPhone. I am currently in the process of burning all my DVD’s on to iTunes which is much more time consuming process. Once I have that done I will pack away all my DVD’s with my CD’s and likely never use them again since I have everything digitized on iTunes.

    Like I said before the biggest factors of why I chose iPhone over the Galaxy was the Korean language pack already installed and my concern about the Internet browser locking up when I was testing the Galaxy phone. I also liked the reputation that Apple’s customer service has. The Siri technology is something the Galaxy does not have but it really wasn’t a deciding factor on why I chose an iPhone though I am still learning its usefulness.

    On Friday my Apple TV3 came in and I have been using it this weekend. This has greatly increased the usability of my iPhone. I can now play movies, music, games, and other apps all on my TV using my iPhone through AirPlay. It is pretty cool to play iPhone games on my TV using the iPhone as a controller. Also all those digitized CD’s and DVD’s that I have burned on to iTunes can now play on my TV through iTunes Homesharing from my Desktop PC. All of this was simple to setup and do and I have no complaints. After I play with the Apple TV3 a little longer I will probably write a more detailed review.

    I am curious Chickenhead much like with iTunes, on what is it you need the iPhone to do that it can’t do compared to the Galaxy? Its sounds like you hate Apple fanboys more than the iPhone itself.

  • kushibo
    12:24 pm on March 18th, 2012 56

    Its sounds like you hate Apple fanboys more than the iPhone itself.

    It sounds like he sees fanboys more than the iPhone itself.

    They’re mostly straw men, apparently, since, by definition, anything they say can be dismissed as “bullshyt” (see #49), and any preference for ease of use is dismissed as childish and high school mindlessness (see #49).

    I can list a number of caveats about the iPhone or things I wish they’d change or fix, starting with, say, the lack of a one-push solution for switching from data network to wi-fi in order to save battery and/or data charges.

    I’m happy to answer more pointed questions, but ChickenHead’s request, at #49, pretty much went clearly into the territory that relates to my rule not to recommend things to people who complain about stuff all the time. (Yes, I have that rule, though it mostly relates to restaurants, movies, and tourist destinations, in that order.)

  • JoeC
    3:33 pm on March 18th, 2012 57

    #56

    I can list a number of caveats about the iPhone or things I wish they’d change or fix, starting with, say, the lack of a one-push solution for switching from data network to wi-fi in order to save battery and/or data charges.

    Not exactly a one-push solution, but there is a four-push way to force that — Settings->General->Network->Enable 3G [On|Off].

    But even that seems to be unnecessary since it appears to be done automatically for the most part. When the smartphone/tablet detects a wifi hotspot it attempts to connect to it. If it can connect and pull data it automatically drops the 3G connection and uses the wifi.

    There is also something I call a “mystery-mode” because I don’t quite understand it yet. There are many places around Korea that have pseudo-free wifi hotspots for 3G subscribers. Most people riding the subway system may notice that their phones automatically switch to a wifi data connection (the 3G symbol is replaced by the wifi-emitter symbol). It only seems to work for 3G subscribed devices. It does not work for non-3G wifi-only devices. If I attempt to connect to it with my wifi-only tablet I get a KT Olleh login screen needing a userid and password.

    I suspect that it is misleading. The boxes may be there to boost connectivity. Because the signal is coming from a wifi modem instead of a cell phone tower the phone indicates it has a wifi connection. But since it is really a direct connection to the 3G provider they will still charge this against your data usage.

    I have found my phone connected to these mystery-mode hotspots in many large buildings I’ve been to in Korea.

  • JoeC
    3:44 pm on March 18th, 2012 58

    #57

    Correction: Technically, the wifi boxes are not modems they are just hubs.

  • kushibo
    3:47 pm on March 18th, 2012 59

    JoeC, interesting about the wi-fi connection in the subway. Those of you who followed the take-off of mass use of cell phones in the late 1990s may remember that full access on this subway line and then that subway line and now this other subway line was a major selling point back then. I suspect they have basically been doing a wi-fi bandaid fix all along. ;-)

    As for your four-push solution for the 3G/wi-fi toggling, I’m aware of that. I use it all the time.

    The problem is not so much as you describe. You are right that after it finds a wi-fi network, it sticks to it. But that’s not the problem.

    The problem is that when you’re not connected to a wi-fi network, the iPhone will go searching for one unless you turn the wi-fi connectivity off (with the four-push solution you mentioned). And that frequent scouting around for wi-fi networks drains battery. If you know you’re not going to be around a wi-fi network you can use, it’s best to turn off the connectivity.

    But then if you turn it off, your iPhone is always using the cellular data network, and that can pile on the data charges. I have a $30/month unlimited data plan grandfathered in from my iPhone 3G, but my mother has the $15/month basic plan. For email and things like that, she is nowhere near the threshold, but if she starts watching Netflix and Hulu+ and what-not, then she might.

    Since she usually does those things in her home or others’ homes where she knows the wi-fi access (automatically saved to the phone), I remind her to turn wi-fi back on.

    If it were a one-push solution, she’d remember more often. I wonder if the AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint have deliberately asked Apple not to provide such a feature (and even to prevent its creation).

    I and a tech-savvy friend in Texas were going to make and then sell an app that would do this, but he looked into the code and saw that it was not possible (and others have tried to).

    It’s frustrating because it’s rather uncharacteristically clunky of the iOS software to have such a (relatively) complicated fix for such a common and basic problem. More so since a solution would be easy but Apple is (purposefully or inadvertently) blocking it.

    Oh, geez. I think I may lose my Fanboyz Membership for this one.

  • kushibo
    3:53 pm on March 18th, 2012 60

    setnaffa wrote:

    Kushibo: “[iPhone is better because] As a Mac user, I like how my iOS (Apple’s mobile OS) integrates well with my Macs.”
    Sorry, that makes you indistinguishable from the fanboys.

    For the record, I never said the “iPhone is better” that you have attributed to me in the brackets that imply a close paraphrasing of something I’ve said.

  • JoeC
    4:44 pm on March 18th, 2012 61

    #59

    I and a tech-savvy friend in Texas were going to make and then sell an app that would do this, but he looked into the code and saw that it was not possible (and others have tried to).

    I am sure it would be trivial for Apple to implement that one-push feature if they thought it was a good idea. But I can think of tons of valid reasons why it would be a bad idea to give apps developers access to software interfaces to allow them to control how, when or where the phone gets data connections.

  • heretic
    4:46 am on April 30th, 2012 62

    iPad outsells Tab in Korea but Galaxy S outsells iPhone worldwide… what is this heresy?

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323914

  • Heretic
    7:18 pm on May 19th, 2012 63

    Samsung Emerges Clear Leader in Android Smartphone Market

    Samsung has become the clear ruler of Android smartphones in the first quarter of 2012, according to Gartner. Gartner is the world’s leading information technology research and advisory company which offers a clear understanding about technology for customers in making correct decisions.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/342946/20120519/samsung-rule-android-smartphone-galaxy-s3-sales.htm

 

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