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Journalists Win Pulitzer Prize For Uncovering Racism Against Asian-American Students In Philadelphia

I remember hearing about this case a long time ago and then it went down the memory hole.  Then I was watching PBS Newshour yesterday and saw that a group of journalists from the Philadelphia Inquirer had won a Pulitzer Prize for uncovering this racial violence within the Philadelphia school district:

The Philadelphia School District signed a two-and-a-half year civil rights agreement with the U.S. Justice Department to address anti-Asian immigrant violence at a Philadelphia high school.

“Schools have an obligation to ensure a safe learning environment for everyone. We will continue to use all of the tools in our law enforcement arsenal to ensure that all students can go to school without fearing harassment,” Thomas E. Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division said.

The complaints were triggered by events on December 3, 2009, during which large numbers of Asian immigrant students from South Philadelphia High School were assaulted in and around the school throughout the day.

The attacks followed years of harassment against Asian students at South Philadelphia High School. In the days after the incident, more than 50 Asian students organized an eight-day boycott of the school in efforts to draw attention to what they felt was an inadequate response by the school to ongoing harassment and violence.  [CNN]

What I found really interesting was that after watching the Newshour program and reading this CNN article was that no mention was made of the race of the people dragging Asian-American students out of their classrooms and beating them.  So I did a bit of web searching and found out that black students were the ones responsible for dragging out these students and causing injuries to 30 of them and 7 more had to be hospitalized.

What pisses me off the most about this case is not the student led racial violence but the fact that teachers were allowing a mob of thugs to go classroom to classroom and drag out students to beat them.  If teachers would have made a stand against the thugs then they could have prevented what happened.  Instead it appears many of the teachers condoned this behavior.  This is outrageous and every teacher that was complicit in these attacks should be fired but I have not read anything yet that this has happened.

Are there any ROK Drop readers in Philadelphia that have any additional insight into this case?

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  • Dreamboat Annie
    6:21 am on April 17th, 2012 1

    It seems seies was about school violence in that city, in general, and some of the series focused on one school that had a literal race riot where the black students went after the asian students while the Principal and administration did nothing. The school superin. has been replaced since then.

    Odds are that the white kids and weaker black kids are also suffering in those schools, as well.

  • Dreamboat Annie
    6:21 am on April 17th, 2012 2

    It seems the series was about school violence

  • Liz
    6:31 am on April 17th, 2012 3

    It is called fear. I worked at a school in North Carolina where the Vice Principle was beaten into a coma at a parent/teacher conference. To assume the teachers condoned it would be to assume that they had control…a large assumption. And yes, some schools really are that bad. Mob rules.

  • David Wester
    6:58 am on April 17th, 2012 4

    We need to take schools out of the hands of the governent. There is no constitutional right to an education. Turn it over to private hands and stop collecting school taxes from everyone. When schools are then private, then you can choose whatever school you want to go to. The miscreants wont be going to school, which is fine by me. I went to public school way back when you could get a good education. That is no longer the case.

  • Tom
    7:44 am on April 17th, 2012 5

    Years and years of harassment and beatings that Asians had to endure…
    But Asians never complain, they take it and take it stoically unless pushed to the extreme limit.

    That happens all over America. It doesn’t end there. The harassment follows Asians onto American media. And you people went ape shit over some couple of Korean comedians doing a harmless black face routine, and call you guys ‘waygookin’.. and call that racism.. :lol: oh my god, god help me from laughing at your clueless beliefs.

  • Teadrinker
    8:15 am on April 17th, 2012 6

    You think multi-ethnic Korean kids who have a dark complexion think the black face routines are harmless, especially when the other kids mock them in the same way after having watched said routines?

  • Tom
    8:46 am on April 17th, 2012 7

    #6 and you think multi-ethnic American kids who look Asian think that Chinese accents, Kung Fu parodies and tons of insulting materials that come out of American TV everyday that mock and make fun of Asians, is not racist too? For every black face you find in Korea, I can show you thousand more American routines on Asians on American TV any day of the week. But do Asians cry and whine like you whites?

  • Truth
    9:03 am on April 17th, 2012 8

    I did not see the report, but it sounds ugly. The question is how bad was it for these asians in their homeland that they choose to endure this type of behavior. In some states asians purposly attend non performing schools so they can graduate in the top of their class thus ensuring entry in a good university.
    Asians can always vote with their feet and self deport themselves. However, millions and millions of asians keep coming. As long as they take american jobs, american educational opportunities, and establish separate cultural enclaves, there will be resentment. Asians are tolerated in the usa for the most part. They are given far more opportunities in the usa, than americans in asia. Just ask the new head of the world bank.

  • tbonetylr
    9:31 am on April 17th, 2012 9

    Kinda like how Korean public school students go unsupervised for 20 minutes between classes. The ten specified minutes between classes plus the five minutes for the teacher to arrive to class and the five minutes the teacher leaves early thus giving plenty of time each and every day for Seoul students to beat up students from Jeollanam-do or any other situation you can imagine. Fights like this between classes draw 150+ to each and every event, students pile into the classroom or watch from the classroom hall windows until the teacher(Waygookin English class if the beaten/bloodied kid’s lucky) arrives on scene before the Korean teacher to break it up.

    Too bad Korean journalists(cough cough) can’t win a Pulitzer Prize or hasn’t for about 50 years. :roll:

  • tbonetylr
    9:46 am on April 17th, 2012 10

    Isn’t there racism among Koreans themselves, those who are from Jeollanam-do are similar to black people?

    I don’t know about all “Asian” students but Korean students(in America) should be well versed on how to avoid getting beaten up at school? If they can’t, it’s their own fault i.e. ‘Slut Walk.’

  • tbonetylr
    10:01 am on April 17th, 2012 11

    # 8,
    Good point, somehow Jim Yong Kim avoided the spanking machine.

  • John in CA
    10:39 am on April 17th, 2012 12

    geez, talk about thread hijacking.

    Yes such big fights/bullying when teacher’s not around goes on everywhere. but the fact is it stops when teachers comes around.

    The story, if I remember correctly, was that the beatings and bullying were going on in the open and teachers/administrators did nothing to stop it. Whether it’s racially motivated or not is irrelevant imo. The fact such anarchy was going on in ‘school’ is shocking.

    However I must defend the teachers/administrators to some extent. My wife is a teacher teaching at an inner school and the stories I hear are horrendous. Not all kids are in bad families but the few that are in such families are miserable and totally suck out teacher’s energy and disrupt the learning environment etc etc. And because she cares about the students learning. When she tris to get the parents involved, they could care less. Such disciplining STARTS at home.

  • tbonetylr
    10:45 am on April 17th, 2012 13

    # 12,
    I get it, my sis in CA tries to help at the school her children attend.

  • Tom #2
    10:54 am on April 17th, 2012 14

    Talk about thread-hijacking. I’ve seen this all too often.

    Point out that there is racism against minorities in America and invariably, white Americans will turn the discussion into one about racism in other countries, whether racist attitudes against minorities in fact exist, or why they have it coming.

  • Tom #2
    10:59 am on April 17th, 2012 15

    Tbonetylr, I feel sorry for people like you. But if spending hours browsing Korean blogs are your way of letting out vent-up frustrations, then I have nothing against it :lol: :lol:

  • Retired GI
    12:47 pm on April 17th, 2012 16

    All of a sudden, it seems probable that Trayvon Martin attacked the Hispanic/white, [not black] Zimmerman.

    Get the Teachers trained up and arm them. Those “students” know that teachers are helpless and will do nothing to stop them. And don’t say a damn word when they kill one of those “students” if you arm them! That is why they are armed.

    “An armed society is a polite society”.

    I can only assume that GI Korea believes the Teachers should band together and take on the “students” fist for fist. Yeah. I can see that happening. Assuming the teachers could even get together and take on the “students”, it would get bloody very quickly and the “teens” would wipe the floor with the older and out of shape teachers.

    The teachers were smart to not do anything. They stayed out of Hospital!

  • Truth
    2:46 pm on April 17th, 2012 17

    #8 is not the real Truth by the way… just sayin… anyway, my daughter will be attending a private pre-school, elementary, middle, and high school. Public education is ridiculous nowadays and seems to breed a bunch of thugs and future welfare recipients.. at least in the county I’m currently living in.

  • Truth
    2:49 pm on April 17th, 2012 18

    In korea few biracial kids or foreign kids traditionally attend korean middle or high schools. The violence and racism is overwhelming. Even in international schools in korea are dangerous places for non koreans. Again koreans complaing of racism in the usa would do well to look in the mirror. Look at the hatred directed against the filippina in the national assembly.

  • Truth
    2:53 pm on April 17th, 2012 19

    17 you can use another name

  • Tom #3
    3:27 pm on April 17th, 2012 20

    “Truth”, no country even comes close to America when it comes to violence against visible minorities. Korea doesn’t even come close at all. Bar none. Every two minute, a Asian minority gets beaten up or gets killed. Every Asian has to go through racial harassment everyday with someone going ching chong when their backs are turned. Look at all the cases on news of waiters making fun of Asian customers and writing nasty racist slurs everywhere.

    Korea doesn’t even come close to the racism shown by you people.

  • Waeg
    4:42 pm on April 17th, 2012 21

    Both Tom and Truth are involved in a no win argument. Does stoopid shit happen in every country? Sure. Does pointing the finger and saying: “It happens here too!” and “well, it’s worse in the US! You people have NO idea!” help solve anything? Nope. Just gives some internet warriors the chance to vent. Tom, bemoaning your lot in the US ignores the opportunities you do have, at least acknowledge that you have opportunities unavailable to the white devil in Asia. Truth, honor the proud western tradition of critical self evaluation, and acknowledge that a problem does exist.

    Then we can all move on and deal with the real issues instead of wasting energy throwing barbs at one another all day.

  • kangaji
    5:03 pm on April 17th, 2012 22

    #21: Some people just like arguing… no need to come to a happy medium.

  • kangaji
    5:05 pm on April 17th, 2012 23

    #20 Korea doesn’t even come close to the racism shown by you people.


  • Truth
    5:23 pm on April 17th, 2012 24

    20 every two minutes? Hmm. You must be a stat guy cause you are seem to quote stats without references a lot. So if 1/2 of the asians left, would the number drop to every four minutes. How about if all the Asians left?

    21. You make some interesting statements. Of course there are problems in the USA. Hence the award winning article.

    Where I differ is immigration. Massive immigration to the USA is a major problem causing a plethora of social ills. It has made the country worse. Asian, Hispanic and African, Muslim immigrants are a drain on the system and do little to improve the USA. Most Americans see very little benefit to mass immigration. Something like 3 million legal immigrants come to the USA each year. Then there are millions of illegals and foreigners with hb1 visas. The US economy is creating 1-1.5 million jobs a year. With real unemployment hovering between 15-20 percent, foreigners taking american jobs is not a good thing.

    Pertaining to Asians, As I wrote earlier, asians if they are unhappy in the usa can self deport. Most Americans would be happy if they stopped coming.

    The USA was a better place to live when there were less immigrants. In communities where the vast majority of residents are white, there is less crime, more civility, and an overall higher standard of living. Once the asian, hispanics and blacks move in you have radically altered community and civic life. Violence in school, gang warfare, and a myriad of other crimes. School districts spend their precious money on esl programs and a lot of resources trying to get the foreigners up to grade level, and discipline problems. Whites move away, only to be followed by the minorities trying to live in “white areas”.

  • John in CA
    6:16 pm on April 17th, 2012 25

    “The USA was a better place to live when there were less immigrants.”

    Didn’t mean to read the whole post but that sentence caught my attention. Yeah, Native Americans were living happily until new immigrants showed up and basically forced them off of the the land…

  • Tom
    6:48 pm on April 17th, 2012 26

    LOL, without Asians in America, the American IQ level would be down to primitive. We’re the ones who are holding up your crumbling schools and education levels, and we’re the ones designing the blue prints to supercomputers and iPhones and make the dreams that white people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs think up in their heads, come true. What are you talking about Truth? It’s you low class low income jealous whities who can’t keep up with Asian competition, are just soar losers.

  • Truth
    7:28 pm on April 17th, 2012 27

    22. Agree, but there is also room for exchange of ideas. Even Tom makes a valid point once and awhile.

    25. Native Americans were wiped out by disease. Throughout the Americas, disease and war destroyed many of their societies and cultures. They failed to stop the invading hordes.(europeans). Now 21st century Americans face a similar invasion of foreigners bent on destroying American ideals and culture. The argument against immigration is a compelling one. Just ask the native american indians. Minorities and foreigners now make up at least 30 percent of the US population.

    Well that is your viewpoint Tom. It seems to be common argument that having asians taking american jobs, is some how good for americans. Most of the tech stuff you mention are indians, on hb1 visas. Tech companies hire them because easier to control and they can pay less money. In the end, the program takes jobs from americans and pushes salaries for americans lower. Without the Hb1 visa, companies would have to hire americans. Tax policy could ensure the companies not outsource the jobs overseas.

    Some asians do well in schools but many underperform, especially the refugees and se asians. Educating foreigners with US tax dollars, hardly helps native born Americans. In fact taking resources from americans, hurts native born americans.

    You also failed to address the social problems that come with large numbers of immigrants.

    I do not know any white people who are jealous of Asians. Most white people I know are happy to be what they are. Tom you may jealous of whites, but whites are not jealous of you.

    The view of the world that whites are the losers, is a unique one. White ideas, culture and philosophy, medicine,technology and economics have dominated the globe for the past two centuries. The fact that you are in America and leach off it, is testament to dominance of western civilization.

  • kangaji
    7:53 pm on April 17th, 2012 28

    The other day I was talking to some Koreans about how Korea is a developed country and you can’t really argue that it’s developing anymore given the speed of the internet compared to everywhere else. Anyway, the lady I was talking to switched to English and said basically that America was at a high level a few decades ago but now everyone was catching up and the US just stayed in the same place. She yelled “America is so stupid”; and I was saying “hey, you better not say that in English.” Anyway she seemed, frustrated. I pointed out that the cost in Korea is that everything is really competitive and an advantage in the US is that you have more privacy. Really though, I wonder how many first generation immigrants that came right after the recovery from IMF that are working poor in the US regret their decision to come over after seeing the change that happened in Korea.

    I often wonder if there will be a future for Korea where they don’t have to live in insanely competitive conditions but can enjoy economic growth.

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:56 pm on April 17th, 2012 29

    This is no surprise. All hyphenated Americans are racists.

  • Truth
    8:46 pm on April 17th, 2012 30

    Once America abandons Korea, Korea’s future will be determined by what China wants for Korea. If China wishes to take over Korea no one will stop them. Korea’s freedom exists by the mercy of US taxpayers.

    Do you think the Japanese will rush to defend the Koreans? Will the Thais come to their defense? Will the Swiss takes up arms?

    You seem to have been there a little too long, you start believing the BS propaganda how developed and great life is in Korea. For most Koreans it sucks. Most Koreans enjoy much higher standards of living in the USA than they did in Korea. Even the poor in America often live better than the rich in Korea. That is the reason so many koreans continue to come to the usa, legally and illegally.

  • Chemlightbatteries
    9:20 pm on April 17th, 2012 31

    @5 Tom that is actually pretty funny. I would like to see that show. ;-) @7 Tom perhaps if some of those asian kids had known gong fu or taekwondo to a decent extent they would have been able to beat on their aggressors which would have been totally justifiable.

  • Dr.Yu
    10:45 pm on April 17th, 2012 32

    How predictable …. a tread about asians suffering from racism in the USA turns into a Korea bashing place …. sometimes it is easier to blame others for your frustration than facing the truth …

  • Truth
    11:08 pm on April 17th, 2012 33

    Dr. Yu
    Open your eyes and see the big picture. Koreans are some of the most racist people on the planet.
    Foreigners that have experience with Koreans tend to find many of their attitudes despicable.
    Korean rabid nationalism and xenophobia may unite koreans but it does not endear them to non koreans.
    Thus, when ultra nationalist racist koreans complain that asian kids got beat up at school, those with experience with asians, find the bitching ridiculous.

    Many foreigners have been to korea and did not like and left. Some have stayed and have thus endured the good and bad there. Asians have the same choice in the USA, if they do not like it, no one is stopping them from leaving.

  • Leon LaPorte
    11:34 pm on April 17th, 2012 34

    33. Telling Dr. Yu to “open his eyes” is a blatantly racist comment.

  • Teadrinker
    12:39 am on April 18th, 2012 35


    Right over your head, as usual. :roll:

  • G.I. G.I. Joe
    1:31 am on April 18th, 2012 36

    The difference between the racism, bullying, and discrimination in the U.S. and Korea is that in Korea they have institutional protection. The laws are on the books, but they’re ignored. Korea lacks mechanisms for enforcement and penalties for breach. Picture Jim Crow South, except this is 21st Century.

  • kangaji
    5:37 am on April 18th, 2012 37

    #30: If it wasn’t going to get filtered out by your confirmation bias I would entertain you by giving you more context. Interesting you thought the convo took place in Korea.

  • james w bolt [40 yards]
    7:32 am on April 18th, 2012 38

    :?: Do you think that ding will sue dong if ding went first when the bell rang?

  • Truth
    10:00 am on April 18th, 2012 39

    36 i beleive the systemic failures you mention are prevalent in korea.
    38 i am not sure what you mean. If you have something to add to the conversation, then lets hear your two cents. Although i understand those in korea are not really free to type what they want. Korea gov monitors internet and seeks to control it. I guess kind of like china lite.

  • Truth
    10:01 am on April 18th, 2012 40

    Sorry 38 meant 37

  • John in CA
    2:10 pm on April 18th, 2012 41

    Native Indians weren’t just wiped out by disease. That’s called white washing an ugly story…

    “Most Koreans enjoy much higher standards of living in the USA than they did in Korea. Even the poor {korean} in America often live better than the rich in Korea. That is the reason so many koreans continue to come to the usa, legally and illegally.”

    Dude I don’t know where you get your info. I know some poor Koreans in America and their living standard is lower than the middle class Koreans in Korean, probably even lower than the poor Koreans in Korea. In US, being poor means lack of affordable health insurance, no real public transportation so big chunk of income goes to car etc.

    “Koreans are some of the most racist people on the planet.”
    Last I heard Korea didn’t get into a civil war over slavery. And let’s not forget about Japan. I think Japan probably takes the crown for the most racist.

  • Truth
    4:04 pm on April 18th, 2012 42

    41. John. You might want to read up on your history before commenting.

    I suggest you read the book 1493. It goes into great depth about what happened to the native Americans indians post Columbus. To suggest that the vast majority of native americans were not decimated by disease is historically inaccurate. After being decimated by disease many cultures were conquered.

    To your second point, if the standard of living for koreans is higher in korea then why do so many wish to immigrate to the usa and other countries? Quality of life can include simple things like clean air and clean water.

    You do not seem to understood the USA either. If you are poor, you are given health insurance,(medicaid). There are many other programs that benefit the poor, food stamps, welfare, etc in the USA. Social welfare benefits may be too generous, and thus attract poor immigrants.

    Owning a car in the USA is cheaper than owning one in Korea. Gasoline prices are two to three times the amount in the USA. Food prices are higher in Korea. Except for some services, the overall cost of living seems higher in Korea. Not many people believe the standard of living is higher in korea than in the usa. In addition, the USA has almost 7 times as many people.

    Koreans have fought various civil wars in their history. Usually one group of Koreans trying to control another group.
    The US civil war did not begin over slavery. If you are going to live in the USA and talk about the civil war, how about learn some of the history of the war.
    Additionally if you understand korean history, a large percentage of koreans were slaves in the past.

    I did not suggest that the Japanese are not racist.
    Are they as racist as the Koreans? Good question. I am sure many other people are more qualified to discuss that than I am.

    I know the Japanese seem to be more open and embrace foreign cultures more than Koreans seem to.
    Japanese allow Korean entertainers to perform and become popular in Japan. Korean Tv programs and movies play there. Not many Japanese performers having concerts in Korea.
    Until the 90s, most japanese culture was banned in korea.

    I know a lot of foreign people who lived in japan seem to like it a lot more than foreign people who live in Korea. That said, maybe japan is just a better place to live.

  • Truth
    4:18 pm on April 18th, 2012 43

    From Mid 20th century until now, Americans have traditionally been too rich to need or want public transportation.
    If you have money, most people do not want to take public transportation. Its the same in Korea.
    Riding on overcrowded public transportation does not equal higher quality of life.
    If you can afford it, most people would prefer to drive. Hence the lack of public transportation in the usa, except in areas where there are a lot of poor people.

  • Tom
    6:51 pm on April 18th, 2012 44

    “if the standard of living for koreans is higher in korea then why do so many wish to immigrate to the usa ”

    Korean’s don’t immigrate to the USofA anymore, goofy boy. I think only 150 Koreans immigrated to the US last year, while only a total of 750 emigrated out of Korea. Check the figures for last several years, I’m not lying.

    And no, foreign exchange students with visa’s and business/government people with permanent residency don’t count.

  • Tom
    6:57 pm on April 18th, 2012 45

    Check out the Korean embassies in Pakistan, Indonesia, Vietnam, Nepal, Cambodia, etc, millions line up outside the embassies, to get into Korea. And the line ups are getting longer. Korea’s air is getting cleaner every year with better pollution controls, it’s just that Korea can’t do anything about yellow dust from China. And Korea always had clean tap waters to drink the last decade, it’s just that people want to be overly cautious. Owning a car in the US is cheaper, sure, but who needs a car in Korea when Korea’s public transportation beats anything that the US can ever dream of having but can’t. Goofy boy.

  • Tom
    7:00 pm on April 18th, 2012 46

    “I think Japan probably takes the crown for the most racist.”

    WRONG! Japan don’t have sites like Stormfront where this poster named Truth comes from.

  • Tom #2
    7:18 pm on April 18th, 2012 47

    Hey Tbonetylr, what’s with your new handle “Truth”? After all these years, you’ve decided to change it?

  • Truth
    7:31 pm on April 18th, 2012 48

    If what you said is true, then its a step in the right direction. However, i do not think those figures reflect illegals and those koreans who marry americans or korean americans and koreans who overstay their visas. Also i do not believe the numbers affect change of status applications. Im also not sure if family unification visas count in those numbers as well.
    If koreans do not immigrate to the usa any more why cant the ones here speak english? The korean population is the usa is estimated between 2-3 million.

    That said, according to statistics new arrivals are on the decline. I believe because of increasing economic opportunities in korea.

    Millions in line, that would be a long line. I guess you are trying to say there are worse places than korea. I will give you that one.
    Korean newspapers say that living in seoul takes ten years off your life because of pollution.
    Almost no one in seoul drinks the tap water from the tap. Most people do not trust what government officials say due to systemic corruption and falsification of data. Even government officials do not drink it.
    Additionally, Korea also dumps large amounts of garbage in the ocean every year. It promised to stop this year, if it does it will have to burn more trash creating even more pollution.
    Public transport is mostly for the poor. If riding overcrowded transport floats your boat great. Most people do not dream of that.

    Its great the percieved quality of life in korea is improving. Its still over crowded, polluted, corrupt and has awful weather 8-9 months a year. Only kim jong il and his believers call it heaven on earth.

    If korea improves and its people stay there, and those here self deport, thats good for both countries.

    However to somehow suggest the standard of living is higher in korea than the usa is farcical. There maybecountries with higher standards of living than the usa but korea isnt one of them.


  • Truth
    7:37 pm on April 18th, 2012 49

    45 usa put a man on the moon. If the people wanted public transport it would be there. Americans want to drive their suvs and low gas prices. Whether good or bad, thats the mindset.

  • Tom
    9:32 pm on April 18th, 2012 50

    Lot of countries dumps garbage in the designated sites in the ocean, not just Korea. Look it up, and get off the high horse.

    USA has better quality of life for the rich and the corrupt. Like Goldman sachs workers and Washington looters :lol: Look at your differences between rich and poor, it’s astronomical and even worse than China. :lol: Look at your best city, New York, what dump. It’s full of crap on the wall and at night gun fires are eveywhere. If Korean population in the states which is less than 2 million right now, increases, that’s because they’re second and third generation born in the states. They are Americans, your problems, nothing to do with Korea.

    The thing is this. Korea is an up and coming country, on the other hand, the debt ridden US is sinking and losing its grip. It’s the long term pattern that makes much more significance. Already, your young people are going off abroad by the millions because they can’t find any opportunity. Look at all the ESL teachers in Korea for instance.

    With all your bragging as number one in the world, your people don’t even have decent health care. What right minded Korean would want to move over there? For what? To live in tent city? Get pulled out from classrooms and get attacked by gangs while teachers laugh and applaud?

    Go back to Stormfront, Truth, stop with all this nonsense.

  • Truth
    12:01 am on April 19th, 2012 51

    South Korea does not exist without the usa. Its existence as a free country is as the mercy of the usa taxpayers.
    Economies go up and down. 3 times in the past 15 years the usa has bailed out south korea from economic collapse or failure.
    Usa population has grown from 200 million to over 300 million in less than 40 years.
    Without massive immigration far more jobs and opportunities for native born. If korea added 20 million new chinese koreans unemployment would surge.
    If the usa economy goes down so does koreas. No one to buy their crappy imitation products.
    I believe korea is the only country in the oced that dumps garbage in the ocean.
    There are what 20k esl teachers in korea. Many of them overseas koreans.
    There are more than 100k korean students in the usa.
    The facts are sometimes hard tom. Sure america has its problems, i argue many because of too much immigration and poor foreign policy choices, but its a far superior country to korea. Although if obama wins in november the usa will decline. Awful leadership can hurt even the best of countries. I concede americans policy makers are stupid. They fail to appreciate the evil that is south korea. Slicky boys continue to steal and leach off the usa for their survival. With freinds like tom and south koreans who needs enemies.

  • Truth
    12:11 am on April 19th, 2012 52

    Most non new yorkers do not like new york. Its a city of immigrants. Most americans prefer other cities. There are so many nice modern places in the usa.

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:13 am on April 19th, 2012 53

    Tom, your tongue’s waggin’ like a blind dog’s tail at a meat market.

  • Dr.Yu
    6:04 am on April 19th, 2012 54

    KKK, apartheid, facism, ethnic cleansing, nazism, etc: surly the first think than comes to one´s mind when thinking about these words is Korea, right? Damn Koreans ….

  • ThumbsOnSeams
    10:10 am on April 19th, 2012 55

    Exactly Dr YU!

    Koreans would never believe in a “pure blood” kind of ideology like the Nazis did…never.

    They would never, and have never, had any type of oppressive regime in either the North or South.

    I also could never imagine Koreans activily oppressing minorities in Korea. All those “half bred Korean” folks living in Korea have it better than full Koreans.

    No, Korea doesn’t come to mind when one thinks of these things it’s true. But nobody really gives a rats ass about Korea, so no one cares that these things happen in Korea…except those who live in Korea that aren’t “full blooded” Koreans.

    One more thing, Pol Pot was white!!!

  • Truth
    11:15 am on April 19th, 2012 56

    54, 55
    Most people in the usa never even think about korea.
    When people think of korean they tend to think
    They eat dog or kim jong il.

  • Tom
    11:33 am on April 19th, 2012 57

    #56 – precisely, Truth. Americans are so blinkered with themselves that they view all non-white people with those racist colored glasses. Racist hypocrites they are. It’s actually funny that they’ve robbed themselves to the tune of hundreds of trillions of dollars of present and future money to make themselves virtually bankrupt, yet they have the nerve to blame their new found poverty on brown people. :lol:

    Funny creatures they are.

  • Reply to Truth
    12:16 pm on April 19th, 2012 58

    Hey truth,

    look who divided Korea up in the 1945? Yep, US and Soviet Union. If USA didn’t exist, Korea would already be one country and probably one of the richest countries in world, thanks to America. :roll: Also, when did USA ever bail out South Korean economy or even cared about South Korea in last 60 years? :roll:

  • Reply to Truth
    12:21 pm on April 19th, 2012 59

    Also, Koreans don’t generally care about USA or their policies. I hope South Korea kick out these useless 28,000 US troops who committed more than 100,000 rape/murder crimes in last 60 years. :mrgreen:

  • Dr.Yu
    1:29 pm on April 19th, 2012 60

    Truth and Thumbsonseams,
    What you guys think about the racial harassment suffered by the Asian students in Philadelphia, which, by the way, is the subject of this tread? …. Good? Bad? Deserved? Not a big deal at all? It’s God’s punishment? Asians deserve revenge? Can you say something constructive about this issue without involving Korea in your answer? After all it’s about a racial problem in the USA …..

  • Truth
    2:04 pm on April 19th, 2012 61

    58′ 59
    You might want to learn a bit of history. Perhaps you never
    learned who liberated korea from the japanese.
    Again up until the 70s korea was very poor.
    What happened? Billions of us aid, jobs, technology, training and assistance.
    Money from japanese reparations.
    A dictator who instead of just lining his pockets, poured the billions into korean chaebuls.
    Favorable trade with the usa.

    You are free to be as ungrateful for your liberty and freedom as you want.
    It does not change the tremendous opportunities the usa has granted korea.

    I do agree with you about one thing. US soldiers should not be in korea. There was a three year war and then 60 years of aid and usa spending billions of dollars in korea each year.
    The money would be better spent in the usa. Jobs for americans not koreans.

    Most of the studies i have seen suggest us soldiers commit less crimes as a percentage of the population than koreans do. In addition in sheer numbers i suspect koreans in the usa commit more crimes in the usa than us citizens do in korea.

    60. School violence happens for many reasons. Authorities should try to prevent it if possible. If the asian kids were injured there is legal recourse against those responsible.
    Unlike southeast asians who lost hands and arms in korean factories, who were then sent back to their countries often without their pay or compensation.

  • Truth
    2:19 pm on April 19th, 2012 62

    58′ 59
    I do not have the time to teach you history. The first bailout i refer to is the time koreans called imf era. Basically the usa, under clinton guaranteed all korean debt, thus ensuring the debt korea was un able to pay. You can research the other times on your own.

    You may have ur national pride.
    However stealing others technology, designs and ideas, along with substantial assistance from other countries, should make you aware you did not develop on your own.

    No one likes a spoiled or ungrateful child. Your false sense of pride is built on a myriad of lies. Admit the truth. Korea may have a sketchy past, but thanks to the usa it has a great chance to succeed.

  • Reply to Truth
    3:34 pm on April 19th, 2012 63

    You forgot that USA was attacked by Japan, so USA was in the pacific war against Japan. The USA never liberated Korea in 1945, in fact, they occupied Korea for 3 years. Hence, the start of the division. Money from Japanese reparation? The money was based on loans and it did little to help the Korean economy. There’s no proof that USA gov’t ever gave money to Korea in anything except for Vietnam war. Where did USA ever bailed Korea during the Asian crisis? USA in fact didn’t give a damn about Korea or their economy, its only recently did they actually “cared”.

    In the end, South Korea doesn’t need USA troops. USA never helped Korea in anything except for Korean war.

    As for their crimes, the 28,000 US soldiers committed more than 100,000 crimes in last 60 years! Most of which was never put in court, thanks to America!

  • Reply to Truth
    3:39 pm on April 19th, 2012 64

    In fact, if USA never occupied Korea and divided the country, there would have been no Korean war. Korea would have been reunified and among the richest country in world right now. :mrgreen:

  • kangaji
    7:11 pm on April 19th, 2012 65

    yes. united as.a.soviet.sattelite….

  • Hamilton
    8:02 pm on April 19th, 2012 66

    #65 Yes, a bigger and poorer dPRK that could only justify it’s crappy existance by threatening Japan. The Kim family needs enemies to stay in power and fat as hell.

    A Korea unified under north Korea would a bigger disaster than it is today. Uncle Russia and Sugar Momma China would provide some support but less than they did as a bullwork against South Korea and the US.

    Reply to Truth appears to have a fetish for mass murdering failed feudal states, perhaps he should go join his lovely brothers.

  • Truth
    9:14 pm on April 19th, 2012 67

    Even your fellow comrade posted figures of something like 7 billion dollars of us aid to korea from 1953 to 1973.
    You can research US aid assistance, money spent, peace corp, military spending, etc.
    You can research the asian economic crisis of 1997.
    You can research us fed actions to assist korea in the most recent financial collapse.
    You can also research other types of fed assistance in i believe sept 2007.
    There is so much information available if you look at the facts. Its hard to have intelligent conversations with people who are ignorant. Try reading a book. Or at least doing some basic research.
    100k crimes, the stats i have seen a lot of those were parking tickets.
    For the record, korea has been historically weak, either a vassal state of china or at war with japan. Korea was unable to defeat japan. Japan took over the nation. If the usa had not defeated japan, it unlikely korea would be an independent nation now.
    The best thing ever to happen to korea was the usa. It protected it and allowed it to grow.
    Learn some history, a hint north korean propaganda is not really history. In fact its not even true.

  • Truth
    9:25 pm on April 19th, 2012 68

    65 even the leftist bruce cummings lists the billions of dollars of aid. There is plenty of evidence of us aid to korea.
    Out of curiousity in your warped view of the world, where did impoverish korea get the money and know how to build its industries in the 60s and 70s. Remember ghana was richer than korea in the 50s.
    If you are too lazy to research or open a book, how about talking to your grandparents about what korea was like in the 40s,50s,60s,and 70s.
    You might just learn something.

  • Reply to Truth
    10:41 pm on April 19th, 2012 69

    Oh please, Truth, learn some of our history. When did US ever gave 7 billion dollars to Korea? When? Give me proof that they did. USA gave some money to Korea during the 70s because of our involvement in Vietnam war. Anyway, Korea was never a vassal state of China or etc. :roll: It was only in the early 20th century when Korea was colonized by a rapid modernized imperial power. We learned our lesson to not close our borders to the world. Bruce Cummings never listed the billions of aids, in fact, where did he ever stated such a pathetic lie?

  • Reply to Truth
    10:49 pm on April 19th, 2012 70

    Hamilton, I never supported DPRK. The reason for all this division and crap is because of US in the 1945. IF US never occupied our country, we wouldn’t even have the DPRK state, neither would my country be divided. IF Korea was never divided, we would be have been a capitalist state among the richest economy in world. Yes, it is entirely USA fault because of today’s current situation in my country. US came to my country, divided us because of fear of some “soviet threat”. Thank you USA! :lol: I hope my country kick out these useless criminal foreign troops!

  • Reply to Truth
    10:51 pm on April 19th, 2012 71

    I hope a reunified Korea kick out these USA scums in Japan and other parts of Asia too. :lol:

  • Truth
    12:31 am on April 20th, 2012 72

    Okay Reply,
    You seem to lack any understanding of the modern world. You fail to understand it is the USA that created and dominates the modern economic structure that governs economics and trade in the world. It protects vital shipping lanes and with the help of other large economic powers sets the rules and customs for international trade.
    Until recently, it was only the countries that had close economic ties with the USA that got rich.
    What do you think the g7 is?
    What do you think the UN security council is?
    What do you think the world bank is?

    Without close ties to the USA, its unlikely korea would have ever developed a modern capitalist state. Even now the USA trains hundreds of thousands of koreans every year in many areas. This has gone on for more than 60 years.

    Its more likely that if Japan had been defeated by the soviets instead of the usa, that korea would be united under kim il sung. Last time I checked the Norks were not doing so well. Nor were they a capitalist state.

    Who would have stopped the Soviets from controlling the entire Korean peninsula? The Korean independence fighters? The Japanese? The Chinese? No one.
    It was only the US and its allies that allowed any part of Korea to be free.

    The Soviets took over eastern europe in case you forgot. It was only after they lost the cold war in 1989 that those countries began to be free and try to become capitalist economies.

    Anyway, you dispute the USA ever gave aid to Korea. We discussed the true amount of aid over a 20 year period 1953-1974 in a previous thread. I believe the figures are much higher because they do not include the total amount money the USA spent on Korea during that period, but anyway, Tom, who shares many of your views wrote the following:

    1:18 pm on April 8th, 2012 30

    From 1953 to 1974, S.Korea received $7 billion in total aid, from the US. $4 billion in grants, and $3 billion in loans.

    2:14 pm on April 8th, 2012 31

    Reading the article you cite show also mentions other types of aid. Additionally, you need to remember, military assistance and employment of Korean nationals are not in your figures. Your figures disguise the true amount of us money given and spent in korea. You seems to have a lot of stats but i recall reading around 2002 that the usa spent something like 10 billion a year mainting us forces in korea.

    Also important to remember if the figures Tom cites are accurate, those figures are likely in 1974 dollars, not adjusted for inflation. In 2012 dollars those number would be much higher.

    Check out the link.
    I do not have all the figures, just recalling some from books on the subject. There are many expert writers that discuss the subject if you wish to know more.
    I am fairly sure any intelligent korean would dispute that the US gave aid. The leftist might say, their were ulterior motives. Like the USA wanted to give aid to Korea for 60 years so one day they would be rich enough and forced to buy US products. But even the leftist acknowledge the aid.

    There was a big deal a few years ago, when korea started giving aid to other countries, because it was one of the first times a nation that received so much aid from international organizations, started paying aid to others. In case you didnt know, for a long time most of the funding for international organizations was paid for by the USA.
    I hope this put the issue to rest about the USA giving Aid to Korea.

    About the vassal state, are you suggesting the koreans never paid tribute money to china?

    Its bad enough to talk to people like Tom who try to manipulate facts to prove their twisted ideology, but reply, you seem to know nothing about history and merely repeat things you have overheard.

    Perhaps you are like most Koreans are reluctant to take an honest look at their history, because they do not like what they find.

    Finally, Korea’s problem has never been the USA and its soldiers. The USA liberated, gave assistance and training and protected Korea from Japan, Russia and China, allowing it to develop and become something like a democracy.

    Korea’s problem is China and Japan. China simply takes what it wants. Without US support, what is to stop China from simply taking Korea or making it a vassal state again. Nothing.

  • Tom
    5:19 am on April 20th, 2012 73

    Leave it to Truth for counting the IMF loans in 1997 as “US aid to Korea”. They were exactly what they were, loans to bail out US investors in Korea. None of the money went to help Koreans, only to foreign investors who got their money back. The $24 billion loans were also all paid back early, way before they were even due.

    Also we must’n forget that it was the US government which pressured Japan, not to loan any money to Korea, so that Korea will have no choice to beg the IMF. The US wanted to break up the Korean protectionism and let all the foreign investors go in and loot the businesses on the pennies to the dollar. And that’s exactly what happened. It all came out in a secret dossier documents that was uncovered about three years ago.

    But in the end, the US got its just punishment when those same Wall street crooks backed up by their government in Washington, looted their own treasuries to bankrupt their own nation. These Washington and Wall Street crooks are famous for conniving ways to loot the riches off of anyone that they can care to make a buck, including their own citizens and old pensioners.

  • Tom
    7:54 am on April 20th, 2012 74

    “i recall reading around 2002 that the usa spent something like 10 billion a year mainting us forces in korea. ”

    Truth, once again you’re ignoring the fact that if the US don’t spend that money in Korea, the US will still need to spend the same (likely much more money) to host those same troops elsewhere. Unless you guys dissolve the entire division – which I doubt very much will happen because you’re short of troops. If you host those troops elsewhere, your cost will go up because there won’t be 50% subsidy from Korea. You’ll have to shoulder the entire burden and plus, find new camps/facilities to host your troops. And I bet it will cost you much more if you did. Really, South Korea is half subsidizing part of your US military defense. Don’t tell me you get nothing out of stationing troops in Korea which is providing you guys for free, land, facilities, and training grounds. You’re full of sh*t. As for the US financial and military aid in 60′s and 70′s, those were paid for, already with 5000 Korean soldier’s lives, and 350,000 troops from 1964 to 1973. It was a fair and square business deal, don’t tell me the aid was given free.

  • Rely to Truth
    8:15 am on April 20th, 2012 75

    Anyway, you dispute the USA ever gave aid to Korea. We discussed the true amount of aid over a 20 year period 1953-1974 in a previous thread. I believe the figures are much higher because they do not include the total amount money the USA spent on Korea during that period, but anyway, Tom, who shares many of your views wrote the following:

    1:18 pm on April 8th, 2012 30

    From 1953 to 1974, S.Korea received $7 billion in total aid, from the US. $4 billion in grants, and $3 billion in loans.

    You forgot that this money was spend on the US soldiers and base, not Korea. In fact, Korea have to pay money to these soldiers based on SOFA agreement back in 1950s. Again, you have no proof that this money was given to Korea free. Go read Tom’s comment.

    Another history lesson, the US occupied first and divided the country, then the Soviets came. In fact, the Soviets had NO intention of going to Korea, its in their documents. It was because of USA, that they went in. :lol: It was already inevitable that USA would defeat Japan, since Japan attacked America which started WW2 in Asia. Again, you are wrong in everything.

  • Rely to Truth
    8:28 am on April 20th, 2012 76

    :roll: About the vassal state, are you suggesting the koreans never paid tribute money to china?

    You don’t know Asian history, particular Korean history well, don’t you? There’s a big difference of giving tribute goods to one country and the other country giving tribute goods back and being a vassal state. This is what Korea and China did for some limited time, particulary in Joseon-Ming relationship. Korea gave goods to China, while China gave goods in return for good relationship. A vassal state is when an another country has political control over another country, was Korea ever controlled by China politically? Nope. Throughout Korean history, the Chinese were never a serious threat to us, only the people from Central Asia were.

    Finally, Korea’s problem has never been the USA and its soldiers. The USA liberated, gave assistance and training and protected Korea from Japan, Russia and China, allowing it to develop and become something like a democracy.

    You mean liberation, which is free from another country? Nope, portion of Korea was occupied by US for 3 years. You call that liberation? Yep, according to US POV. :roll: USA never assisted nor protected Korea, read the CIA documents and our relationship with USA. It was only USA who had the voice, and since now, I doubt that this country is even run by Koreans when I see US generals here. :lol: :roll:

    Korea’s problem is China and Japan. China simply takes what it wants. Without US support, what is to stop China from simply taking Korea or making it a vassal state again. Nothing.

    Korea isn’t the Korea in 1950s. As of now, both have a strong military, and one of the largest in world. Neither China nor Japan will ever attack Korea I guareented it. The same for Japan which doesn’t get along with Korea or China. It goes for all ways for those three countries, dummy.

  • Truth
    10:00 am on April 20th, 2012 77

    For tom
    Its my understanding that us guarantees prior to imf loans also occured. Doesnt korea bear any responsibility for the mess it got itself into?
    How is it korea continues to do bad things but you always blame external forces rather than take any responsibility for your own mistakes.
    I think gi korea wrote that korea paid less than 50 percent of costs. I agree if us were not in korea, us could reduce its costs. I remember reading that the us gov was something like the 3rd or 4th largest employer in korea in the 90s. The point being many koreans made a living from the usa. This does not include money spent on the korean economy by us people, and tourism by family members of usfk.
    The list goes on. I think you are choosing to ignore reality, either from pride, or your desire to argue.
    Reply, ill give you that mongolia dominated korea for a couple hundred years. As far as being a vassal state, ill let historians fight over the definitions.
    After world war 2 many several countries were put under trusteeships for a few years and then held free elections.
    As far as the soviets go, they took the kuril islands from japan and still control them. Its naive to think korea could have survived and propspered as a capitalitic country after ww2 without us help. Even europe needed the marshall plan to recover.
    Germany still has us bases. Its a much larger and successful economy than korea.

    Finally you guys are ridiculous.
    Tom seems to take the idea korea so good everything they do is pure. Any help( (none required) even peace corp, is somehow evil. It hurts the korean myth. Juche. You can ignore reality and distort history but it does not change the facts.

    Reply, your version is even more silly. If if if if if, then korea great country.
    Those ifs never happened.

    If you guys really believe what you write your beliefs are more akin to north korea ideology.
    Now where would you rather live, the north or the south?
    Whats the difference in the development of the two countries. One word USA

  • Truth
    10:24 am on April 20th, 2012 78

    Your point would be valid assuming the usa needs to maintain such a large military.
    Except, other countries pay as much if not more of the cost sharing. Many bases were closed in the usa in the 90s. Huge tracks of military bases were simply given to us states.
    One thing i hope you will not argue with, us gov owns lots of land. It does not need foreign land for training.
    My point is without defence treaty with korea, usa would save a lot of money and south korea would need to spend more for its own defence.
    If 5k koreans deaths were part of a business deal, then what about the close to 50k americans that died of a result of the korean war.(30k plus combat 15 to 20k other causes including illness). What deal did these soldiers get? A generation of people like you and reply?

  • Truth
    10:30 am on April 20th, 2012 79

    For tom,
    Do you think the rok gov was bribed to sending troops to iraq?
    Sen kennedy on us senate flloor complained about money off budget going to bribe foreign gov to support us war in iraq. Given the anti us roh moo hyun gov, i beilieve it likely.

  • G.I. G.I. Joe
    10:50 am on April 20th, 2012 80

    @76: do you really think that Japan is a threat to ROK or that Japan “doesn’t get along with Korea”?

    Do you think that the East Sea/Sea of Japan or Dokdo/Takeshima disputes are big deals for Japan? Do you think the average, or the spectacularly above average, Japanese even knows about the Comfort women?

    Do you think that Japan has animosity as individual people or a nation toward Korea?

    OK, even if you give the stupid answer to these rhetorical questions, the US would never allow Japan any incursion into Korea.

  • Tom
    11:05 am on April 20th, 2012 81

    Truth, you can’t blame Korea for the US bribing, can you? Nobody told you guys to start that damn silly war on absolute false pretenses, you should look at yourselves in the mirror and stop blaming others. :roll:

    Same thing with Vietnam War, it was your government bribing Korea in return for Korean cannon fodder. We gave you everything what you guys asked for, now you say you got ripped off. F*ck you.

    The US can take all your men and high tech machines and go back to the mainland. Build your own facilities to house them, start from scratch, I don’t say anything. But don’t add up all the US military owned equipment that you’re using in Korea, as if it’s part of $10 billion donation to South Korea. That’s some horse sh*t method you guys use to calculate, pal.

    You need to get some reality there, old man. :lol:

  • Tom
    11:09 am on April 20th, 2012 82

    “Its my understanding that us guarantees prior to imf loans also occured.”

    guaranteed what, when? it’s your understanding, that’s correct, and that’s precisely the problem. :lol:

  • Rely to Truth
    12:08 pm on April 20th, 2012 83

    G.I. G.I. Joe, I said that as a respond to Truth’s comments.

    Hey, Truth, stop with the bull**** lies you’re telling us. The USA didn’t gave us free money, etc. It’s all lies. I hope South Korea kicks out these criminal useless troops once and for all!

  • Truth
    12:31 pm on April 20th, 2012 84

    81 the question about iraq was a question. If korea did not want the money then could have said no.
    Us military installations are a lot of things, good and bad, but they do provide a big boost to local economies around the world and in the usa. Given hindsight, and what korea has become, it might have been better to have left korea to the communist. I fail to see any benefit to the usa. I see a lot of costs.

    83. If you are too lazy to open a book, and lack the intelligence to discuss issues, then go play your computer games. Leave the discussion to the grown ups.

  • Tom
    1:06 pm on April 20th, 2012 85

    “If korea did not want the money then could have said no.”

    Who’s complaining about Iraq? Do you see any Koreans complaining about Iraq? No, but I do see at least one American named Truth, complaining about Koreans getting bribed to send troops to Iraq.

  • Casanova
    2:03 pm on April 20th, 2012 86

    Tom, you really need to get a girl, all you do is post on the ROKDrop, what a sad life. :lol:

  • Retired GI
    6:19 pm on April 20th, 2012 87

    These comments have all been quite interesting. I see that I have been vindicated in by feeling that we are nolonger needed in Korea nor wanted. I’m quite happy about this. Perhaps some of the “americans” here will start to pay attention and pull those wasted 28k troops out of Korea. At least demand the ROK government pay a more full shair and publicly support those 28k wasted american troops.
    I of course would enjoy hearing that americans are to be pulled out of Korea. The Koreans need to take care of their own country.

    No more “bailouts” for failing states. Stand or fall, leave Korea to Koreans.

  • Tom
    6:49 pm on April 20th, 2012 88

    Not so fast Cowboy. You will leave Korea when we tell you to leave, until then shut your mouths and do your jobs! Understand? Now stop whining and go have your 2000 calorie cheeseburger and stuff your face, fat man! :lol:

  • Denny
    7:25 pm on April 20th, 2012 89

    If the US ever wanted to leave South Korea, then they would have by now. They will never leave.

    As for China taking over South Korea, China wants to take over Korea economically, not territorily, like what they did to Taiwan. Taiwan’s companies are now completely dependent on China. China wants to do the same to South Korea’s companies.

  • Retired GI
    7:34 pm on April 20th, 2012 90

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • MTB Rider
    10:18 pm on April 20th, 2012 91

    Trollin, trollin, trollin!
    All this thread is trollin!

    And what is almost completely ignored in the “Did Not/Did To” debate? That fact that a large group of Black kids attacked Asian kids, but that the predominatly Black School Administration did little to stop it. Because ro point that out would be “Racist.”

  • Truth
    10:24 pm on April 20th, 2012 92


    In the 70s under carter us wanted to leave. Pres park threaten nuclear missile development if usa left. After further consultations usa kept troops there.

    Although when has the military ever wanted to reduce its own budget or size. Too many people making big bucks off it. Usa military will have to be reduced in size and its budget reduced. Usa military almost outspend the rest of the world combined. The usa has needs at home. It will no longer to be able to provide protection to every country in the world , nor act as the worlds policeman. The world economic system set up post world war 2 will likely crumble. Hold onto to your hats, its going to be a bumpy ride.

    Who knows what china wants if there is nothing to stop it. If the usa told china that the usa would not defend taiwan, there is a good chance the pla would be in taiwan sooner than later.
    China decided it could take tibet and did.
    The point is without the usa to balance china’s power, china can do whatever it wants. Good or bad. Given the way china treats its own people, it not appealing to have the chinese as your future masters.

  • Truth
    10:29 pm on April 20th, 2012 93

    China also poses an economic threat to korea as well. China steals and copies the tech that korea stole and copied from the usa and other countries and produces it cheaper than the koreans can. Korea is an export economy. China can undercut korea on price in almost every industry.
    The usa at least has vast mineral resources and oil and nat gas which will allow it to reduce costs to better compete with china.

  • Wow
    8:56 pm on August 16th, 2012 94

    Im a black guy and I was interested on how asians suffered racism. As I read down, this thread of comments really turned to shit. Is this really how anti-asian racism is handled?! With anti-Korean sentiments? Even if comments about Koreans are true, there are still other Asian races that are suffering. This was one of the saddest and disgusting things Ive ever read. Im guessing most of the de-railers are white. Maybe you Asians should try discussing this with the latin community or the black community, people who actually are being discriminated against and would actually understand what you are going through.

  • Retired GI
    9:10 pm on August 16th, 2012 95

    Ahhh, there you are @ WOW. Another victim crying racism—who happens to be black. Talk about your stereotypes.

    Please explain to me how you are being “discriminated against” in the year 2012.

  • Teadrinker
    10:44 pm on August 16th, 2012 96

    Gee, that didn’t take long for someone to pounce on him.

  • Bobby Ray
    11:38 pm on August 16th, 2012 97

    The surprising there Teadrinker is that it wasnt you. You are the local racist around here promoting some of that discrimination to anybody who will listen to ya. We already done gone through this and your true colors came a streaming through.

  • Retired GI
    6:46 am on August 17th, 2012 98

    Teadrinker os of the same mind as Wow. To Teadrinker, everyone is a “victim”. As long as they aren’t “white”.

    Blacks top his list of “victims” to be pitied. Then females of any color need to be given EXTRA pity.

    Both are big “special interest groups” for Teadrinker.

    Like little Korea itself, blacks and females are to be pitied and given extra consideration as they are all weak victims — most likely of the evil white devils, usually from America.

    All three enjoy feeling sorry for themselves and demanding EXTRA consideration, money, and assistance of any kind.

    When they don’t get it, they cry and use words like “racist”, “sexist”, and anyother “ist” words to get their pity.

    Meanwhile the NFL has plenty of black QBs, Head Coaches, and the President is “black”, so stop frigging crying already.
    You have “arrived”. Now lets see what you can do with it. If our President is any indicator, you’re not up to the task.

    Discrimination my coondingy. I hardly ever saw a “white” Sergeant Major in my Aviation Support Units. Black RULES in the Army!

    That is why I’m happy as hell that “don’t ask – don’t tell” is gone. Now white males can be a “special interest group” as well. Or a Muslim. They get away with murder!

  • Teadrinker
    7:30 am on August 17th, 2012 99


    Me the “local racist”? That’s rich coming from someone who uses terms like “colored”.


    ” To Teadrinker, everyone is a “victim”. As long as they aren’t “white”.”

    Far from it. For example, you’re a victim of your own ignorance.

    GI Korea’s also a victim because you’re using up some of his bandwidth, which isn’t cheap.

  • Chris In Dallas
    8:36 am on August 17th, 2012 100

    94: “Maybe you Asians should try discussing this with the latin community or the black community, people who actually are being discriminated against and would actually understand what you are going through.”


    Note members of the “Black Community” were the ones terrorizing these poor kids in the original post. That’s about par for the course from what I’ve seen. Hispanics tend to not have a lot of sympathy either.

  • Retired GI
    9:16 am on August 17th, 2012 101

    You addressed NONE of my points Teadrinker. You can’t.


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