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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on April 21st, 2012 at 5:30 pm

Will US Marine Corps Drop Standards To Allow Women In the Infantry?

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The Marines will soon be allowing women to serve in the infantry:

The Marine Corps school that produces infantry combat officers will enroll its first-ever female students this year, Marine Corps Times has learned.

As part of the service’s extensive research campaign to determine what additional jobs could be opened to women, an undetermined number of volunteers will attend the Infantry Officers Course in Quantico, Va., said Gen. Joseph Dunford, the Corps’ assistant commandant. There, Marine officers are groomed to serve in direct combat roles and lead troops into battle.

“We are in the process right now of soliciting volunteers,” Dunford said on Wednesday.  [Marine Corps Times]

You can read more at the link but as I have stated repeatedly I don’t have a problem with women serving in the infantry if it means that they have to meet the same standards as men.  I’m still waiting for the women’s rights groups to advocate for equal standards on the various military physical fitness tests.  According to the article the Marines are developing gender neutral training standards for men and women attending infantry training.  It will be interesting to see if these gender neutral training standards are in fact reduced standards in order to have more women in the infantry or will they be rigorous standards that most men have a hard time meeting much less women?  Time will tell.

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  • Lemmy
    4:41 pm on April 21st, 2012 1

    If the Infantry can eliminate road marching, carrying equipment, extended periods in harsh environments, digging, and can add showers, port-o-lets behind and condoms why not. There is nothing more pitiful looking than a female who has been in the field and smells like a goat where her chin strap is hanging around her neck and helmet is kicked back on her head revealing an ugly face with an oily face blotted with camp face paint.
    Then lets take a look at moral issues. I actually think it is barbaric to put women in combat. Maybe its maturity, maybe I don’t know what it is, but I value women as caretakers of society and believe their primary role is to propagate the species. I do not believe it is a woman’s responsibility to do something unnecessary like go to Afghanistan or Iraq.

    If you are too immature to appreciate my point of view, you should ask Jessica Lynch how many times the Iraqis raped her and then take a trip to Landstuhl (LRMC) sit outside the ambulance entrance any given day at 1800 because thats when the busses carrying the wounded from Ramstein show up. See the Afghanistan wounded are flown into Ramstein and then are loaded into busses with big red crosses on the sides to note them as medical transports or ambulances. After you see one or two soldiers who are swollen from the trauma received, burned so badly their meat is exposed and charred, arms and legs are missing, tubes are going in all over with tubes coming out in other places and then you realize what you are looking at is a 19 year old girl – you should get sick to your stomach and immediately question your societies sanity for thrusting women into situations that cause this sort of injury. You have visions of young women pregnant and pushing a stroller with an infant along her side. She is teaching her daughter how to bake cookies and reading to her son, changing diapers and nursing. And then you realize the 19 year old you see before you missing her face and near death will never experience what God put her on earth to do. Do we not have men to do the job or are we just a misguided society?

  • 1SGT(RET)
    5:55 pm on April 21st, 2012 2

    Lemmy well put, but expect some blowback from the PC crowd. Hopefully, the right people will realize that this “social experiment” should never survive the birthing process.

  • Chemlightbatteries
    6:33 pm on April 21st, 2012 3

    Ha ha ha! If you seriously have to wonder if the standards will be lowered or not you are WAY too optomistic. We all know how this is gonna play out. Lets get real everyone, you all know…

  • Chemlightbatteries
    6:38 pm on April 21st, 2012 4

    @ Lemmy tell that to the femmebots. You are living in another world. PC is our new god. :sad:

  • Dr. T. Sanchez
    8:30 pm on April 21st, 2012 5

    If a vagina-American can hang with the boys, let her go. NO pregnancy will be allowed (I don’t get a profile or six weeks of free leave). Any such succesful candidate is probably a dyke, anyway.

  • Vince
    10:09 pm on April 21st, 2012 6

    What a WONDERFUL idea!


  • jimbo
    12:30 am on April 22nd, 2012 7

    the devildawg females can carry their weight, and then some….the army, not so much…too PC and entitlement focused. get a clue.

  • Zilchy
    1:46 am on April 22nd, 2012 8

    I do love what Lemmy wrote! It’s just PC bullshite! It will never come to fruition. It’s sad that this idea has even come to be, but in the end, it will never materialize.

  • Retired GI
    5:38 am on April 22nd, 2012 9

    I recall two females that I knew in the army who could have succeeded as 11Bs. One was tough as nails and lifted weights with me and was a Dike. The other was a six foot nubian monster.

    But the Marines likely get a better quality female than the ghetto army does.

  • Teadrinker
    7:31 am on April 22nd, 2012 10

    Some women are athletic by any standards, not that most of the American Marines (or Korean for that matter) that I’ve met were particularly athletic.

  • Retired GI
    8:11 am on April 22nd, 2012 11

    When you find some that can drag a 190lbs of man out of the kill zone and not drop her rifle, point her out.

    That’s all I’m saying.

  • 1SGT(RET)
    12:16 pm on April 22nd, 2012 12

    I think that alot of these comments center around strength. 11B’s, without a doubt, just by the nature of our job, require using muscles that the everyday soldier doesn’t have a requirement to exercise on a day to day basis. But there are more requirements in order to do the job and be successful in that job than strength and I am sure that certain female soldiers can meet those requirements, but it’s that nature of the job, the environment, that does not make it user friendly to a mix group. If you haven’t been in combat, you probably don’t understand what I am trying to convey. I am not talking about going outside of the wire for an 8 hour mission and then returning to the relative safety of a fire base, I am talking about going out for days at time, finding, fixing, fighting and finishing the enemy.

  • Zilchy
    3:49 pm on April 22nd, 2012 13

    1ST SGT – “but it’s that nature of the job, the environment, that does not make it user friendly to a mix group.”

    I’m quite sure the Isrealis tried this farce during the Isreali-Egyptian war and it was a disaster. The men stood around looking at the dead female soldiers bodies during the battles. A complete breakdown of coherency!

  • Zilchy
    3:58 pm on April 22nd, 2012 14

    Female Isreali soldiers:

  • Vince
    4:18 pm on April 22nd, 2012 15

    It will happen in the name of fairness.

    Funny, I don’t remember a whole lot of fairness from my time in infantry companies.

    I do remember some hard men.

    It was another country. You can’t go there anymore.

  • Chris In Dallas
    4:25 pm on April 22nd, 2012 16

    I spent 5 years in support units. Here are some observations I think are relevant to this matter:

    1. I saw exactly two females complete forced marches carrying all their gear. I recall a handful completing marches if someone else carried their ruck, weapon, K-pot, LBE, etc. AND had a crew of Soldiers verbally encouraging them. The vast majority of females I saw on forced marches fell out and went on sick call around the 2-4 mile mark.

    2. I can’t recall ever seeing a female successfully operate a crew served weapon off of a weapon range. In short order they collapse and go on sick call if they had to do anything more involved than pull a trigger.

    3. During my stint, I observed a number of enlisted females holding MOSs which involved manipulation of heavy gear (vehicle mechanics, fuel handlers, etc). With rare exceptions they were ineffective as they couldn’t deal with heavy objects. After a couple rounds of sick call they would get shunted into light and/or administrative work.

    4. I don’t recall seeing a female willing or able to drive a vehicle larger than a HMMWV.

    5. Very VERY few females I observed could deal with lack of bathing facilities for an extended period without suffering from a massive drop in morale.

    6. No female I met was able to march with gear, operate a crew served weapon in a field environment, drive large vehicles, go without a shower for a couple days AND perform adequately in a MOS requiring some level of strength.

    7. In due time most female Soldiers I worked with would maneuver themselves into traditional WAC jobs such as clerk/typists, admin assistants, etc. Ironic, huh?

    I think we all can agree this is it. If the Marines will let females into grunt officer training, they will have to graduate them in adequate numbers whether qualified or not. From this the rest of USMC combat arms and Army combat arms will open too. I suspect we will see just what I saw in Army support units. You’ll have a handful of female grunts unable to perform. They will manipulate their way into “cush” jobs in company orderly rooms, battalion and higher staffs, etc. Despite this the handful who stay will advance despite not developing professionally. And everyone is just going to have to suck it up.

  • Zilchy
    12:33 am on April 23rd, 2012 17

    I really tried to lighten the mood with the link to the sexy Isreali soldiers. No takers? OK, this link might be better;

  • Truth
    8:25 pm on June 27th, 2012 18

    women are always begging us to PRETEND they are eqaul…. but then they beg for special treatment…. its pethetic.

    i will never respect women…. untill they stop begging for special treatment like children.

    if women want to be in the millitary…. or any job… they should not have lower stadnerds…. if they do havew lower standerds…. then the men they work with must be compensated for the sexaul discrimnation.

    i know most women “say” they dont want special treatment…. but i think thats often a lie…. they say they dont want special treatment…. but the moment they cant handle the standerds they start begging…. its pethetic.

    dont let a single women into the military, unless she can meet the same standerds a man can meet…. in adddition… all women should be drafted…. becuase if women are not in the draft, then men should take aay there eqaul rights, becuase its not eqaul rights if women are not drafted, its just more special treatment.

    hopfuly men will stop taking so much pity on women…. and tell women to grow up, or be preparded to be veiwed as nothing but the sexual objects we all they just are.

    i speak hraslhey, becuase women need to good kick in the butt, or they will never grow up and will remian children even as 25 year olds (half of all women cant even put the toilet seat down… its pethetic.

    as men… we need to start insulting women, like they do to us… becuase obviously logic and sense does not work on most of them… but insults do… as i have found.

    so women… stop being pethetic.. and grow up…. you dont deserve eqaul rights untill you can take all of mens burdans.

    when im a little older… if women are not in the draft… i will go to congress my self, asking for womens eqaul rights (special treatment) to be removed, and women will have to pay men back becuase they owe us for the sexual discrimnation all men face.

    draft women in emergancys…. take away there special treatment until they are (what they call eqaul rights)…. dont let them be in the miltary unless they meet the same standerds a man has to…. and insult them if they cry or act like a wimp….. this will help women grow up for once.

  • Truth
    8:33 pm on June 27th, 2012 19

    Lemmy… if thats how you feel…. then women cant have eqaul rights…

    why are men required to be drafted?… becuase if we want our freedom, then we need to fight for it.

    that either has to aplly to women, or they cant have eqaul rights any more….. i will take it away from them my self if i have to….. becuase i dont tolerate sexual discrimantion against men.

    if you really believe women should not be in the drafted… then think of ways women should be paying men back…. like they lose some of there rights….. or women over the age of 18 must pay extra taxes that go to men only.

    even thats not nearly good enough….. if you dont want women to be drafted…. they have to give men something that is eqaul to there lives… thats the problem… thats why women have to be drafted in emergancys…. becuase there is nothing they can give a man to pay him back for his life.

    so if women are not drafted… in order to companate men,,, they would have to give us all there money they ever made, forever, or be our slaves.. and u dont want that right?… then women have to be drafte… or they must accept being slaves to men. its the only fairl compensation)

    and men also proprgate the specials… women cant give birth without men…. not that men need women for babys any more… then to new stem cell technology advnacments… we can make our own female eggs from mens skin cells.

    as for women being allowed to put in an application for miltiary duty…. then no, of course not… becuase they cant meet any of our standerds and beg for special treatment likr babys.

    if any women can meet a mans standerd, then let them in… otherwise keep them out, or tell them they have to give men 20% of there pay check.

    otherwise women should only be in the mitliary in emergacnys, like if there is a draft.

    the only way women will stop being sexist, and grow up, is if men make them…. so men, lets show women how adults act, and force them to act like adults too.

  • Bob
    8:45 pm on June 27th, 2012 20

    I am OK with women being Infantry IF they can met the same standards that males do.

    If a male has to run a mile in 7 mins so does a female, if a male has to complete a 12 mile ruck march in full battle rattle in 3 hrs then so does a female.

    If the female cannot meet those standards she doesn’t make it as an infantry solider it really is that simple.

  • Truth
    8:48 pm on June 27th, 2012 21

    no Chris In Dallas…. we wont have to suck it up.

    we sue for sexual discrimnation agsint men…. we force women to either meet the standerds, or get out.

    if women REALLY want to be in the miltairy…. then they can give men special treatment in order to compensate us…. like them getting lowwer pay, and some of that goes to men.

    either way…. men are getting tired of sexist women begging for special treameant AND eqaul rights… when they dont deserve either of those things.

    eventualy women will end up as second class citicens… its what they deserve.

    do not worry, thanks to the mens rights movment,,, and sexual robots that are being invented… women will soon be paying us compensation for what they owe us, alot.

    in the near future… women will have to gorw up, or become slaves.

    becuase men are losing pity for women fast….. and we all know women could never survive without all the behind the scenes special treatment they get in life from men….. so when we take away there special treatment, like a adult taking awaya bad childs toy…… women are going to be kissing our butts for thosends of years… untill they become total replaced by 100% real looking sex bots.

    its true… reserach it… thats whats happening, and its what women deserve…. in a few years… men will stop tolerating womens crying…. then we will kick them out on there butts… then they will beg us for help, and then men will have all the power. and women will be serving us.

    harsh, but true…. just following the natrual seqeunce of logical events into the future.


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