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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on April 26th, 2012 at 7:17 am

Analysts Say North Korea’s Road Mobile KN-08 Missiles Are Fakes

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I was skeptical on whether or not North Korea’s new ICBM that was introduced during a military parade would even work considering their past failures and now analysts are saying that the North Koreans are faking everyone with their new missile:

Analysts who have studied photos of a half-dozen ominous new North Korean missiles showcased recently at a lavish military parade say they were fakes, and not very convincing ones, casting further doubt on the country’s claims of military prowess.

Since its recent rocket launch failure, Pyongyang’s top military leaders have made several boastful statements about its weapons capabilities. On Wednesday, Vice Marshal Ri Yong Ho claimed his country is capable of defeating the United States “at a single blow.” And on Monday, North Korea promised “special actions” that would reduce Seoul’s government to ashes within minutes.

But the weapons displayed April 15 appear to be a mishmash of liquid-fuel and solid-fuel components that could never fly together. Undulating casings on the missiles suggest the metal is too thin to withstand flight. Each missile was slightly different from the others, even though all were supposedly the same make. They don’t even fit the launchers they were carried on.

“There is no doubt that these missiles were mock-ups,” Markus Schiller and Robert Schmucker, of Germany’s Schmucker Technologie, wrote in a paper posted recently on the website Armscontrolwonk.com that listed those discrepancies. “It remains unknown if they were designed this way to confuse foreign analysts, or if the designers simply did some sloppy work.”

The missiles, called KN-08s, were loaded onto the largest mobile launch vehicles North Korea has ever unveiled. Pyongyang gave them special prominence by presenting them at the end of the parade, which capped weeks of celebrations marking the 100th anniversary of the country’s founding father, Kim Il Sung.

The unveiling created an international stir. The missiles appeared to be new, and designed for long-range attacks.  [Associated Press]

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  • Artillery can rain hell on seo
    5:40 am on April 26th, 2012 1

    Their artillery is not fake and thats all they need to rain hell down on seoul

  • Teadrinker
    7:41 am on April 26th, 2012 2

    #1,
    North Korea depends too much on its M-1978 self-propelled gun, which can be easily prevented from coming into range of Seoul by bombing the roads leading to the DMZ.

  • Hamilton
    6:05 pm on April 26th, 2012 3

    #2 TD again showing his lack of understanding of military hardware. Not a big surprise. TD, you do know that self-propelled guns have tracks right? Tracks being installed so that you don’t HAVE TO USE ROADs. Military equipment that primarily uses roads are equipped with wheels…all military personnel are aware of this. Tracks are expensive, require even more expensive suspension, transmissions and engines. Wheels are cheap.

    The M-1978 is one of many types of hardware the Norks have pre-positioned. The LRA in Kaesong are positioned so that they can pull out of their UGFs and fire on Seoul within minutes. They do not need to enter the DMZ which I suspect you also don’t understand at all.

    More worrisome than Seoul are the cities of Paju, Koyang, and Munsan who have grown like weeds since in the last 15 or so years with well over a million combined population and are in range of almost everything the Norks have. Some of Musan is close to being in range of mortars firing outside the DMZ. (2KS+2KN from the MDL, for TD’s limited SA)

    Skipping the LRA and the potentially paper displayed new Missiles NK displayed is a very healthy stock of SCUDs which are crap for accuracy and hitting military targets but are champs at hitting freaking huge cities like Seoul, Taejon and just about everything else.

    In summary #1 gets it, TD strikes out again and shows his is the biggest.

  • SOMETHING IS IN THE AIR, WW III?
    7:36 pm on April 26th, 2012 4

    Now that the analysts are saying that the North Koreans are faking everyone with their new missile consequently the North has to save face, only a really smarth person would knows what they are going to do next. I will guess that it will be something really stupid that can not be blamed on them. Something is in the air.It appear that nations are pairing up with allies all over the world war drills, within the next twenty or so years there will be a world war.

  • Tom Langley
    8:17 pm on April 26th, 2012 5

    So the communist North Koreans have a fake village near the DMZ (Propaganda Village) & now they have fake missiles. This is hilarious! The NK authorities have to know that these fake missiles wouldn’t fool western analysts so obviously they were just trying to fool their own citizens. Their last nuclear test was apparently a partial dud as I remember. It didn’t have the explosive power that it was supposed to have had. Now in their so called satellite launch the missile falls out of the sky. I wonder what is going to happen with the nuclear test that the NK authorities seem to be preparing for. Juche my ass.

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:32 pm on April 26th, 2012 6

    3. Hamilton, you are spot on. And we’re not talking just a few big tubes, we’re talking in the multiples of 10,000′s of individual pieces. TD is clueless on this one. There is a reason Seoul is called “the kill-box.”

    Not only have Munsan, Yangju, Pocheon, Uijongbu, etc. swelled as you point out; There are even apartment buildings on the north side of the Imjin River near Camp Greaves. It’s madness.

  • Kingkitty
    8:52 pm on April 26th, 2012 7

    Don’t forget Cleveland OH

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:14 pm on April 26th, 2012 8

    7. Don’t be silly, no one would miss Cleveland. :razz:

    /there’s a reason it is “kept” in Ohio.

  • Hamilton
    3:59 am on April 27th, 2012 9

    #6 You are correct, I focused on PMJ and down but the DMZ is 241 KM long and South Korea has grown quite a few cities close enough to the DMZ to feel the kiss of Artillery that TD scoffs at since he either never served or didn’t pay much attention before his chapter. I’m glad you pointed out there are quite a few more cities in range of several classes of artillery and missiles.

    On the LRA, it doesn’t have to be accurate when they use Soviet artillery tables for rounds per target and it doesn’t have to be modern when 100 crap guns will do what 6 good ones will. The USAF, ROKAF and modern CFC counter battery fire assets will play whack a mole for several weeks as the NK LRA pops in and out of very well built UGFs. In the mean time each one of those defective-slave labor produced ugly rounds will tear a hole in an apartment and blow a family apart while setting fire to the whole block.

    Good job TD, no threat at all. No roads in the DMZ and all that…poser.

  • Dreamboat Annie
    5:26 am on April 27th, 2012 10

    Expert commentary including footage of the parade

  • kushibo
    12:12 pm on April 27th, 2012 11

    Ha ha, Dreamboat Annie, that was great!

    The Korean they used in there was funny, translating “camera1″ as “카메라 하나.” And the North Koreans would never refer to themselves as 북한 and their language as 한국어. But that effort on their part just makes it even funnier.

  • Glans
    2:28 pm on April 27th, 2012 12

    So, kusibo, did they make silly mistakes because they don’t know Korean very well, or did they make clever little jokes at North Korea’s expense?

  • kushibo
    2:58 pm on April 27th, 2012 13

    I’m guessing it’s the former. It could be the latter, but then they’re making a joke that risks them looking ignorant and only for the benefit of about half a percent of their audience, if that.

  • Hamilton
    10:02 pm on April 27th, 2012 14

    It’s still pretty funny.

  • The answer is in the tires
    7:07 pm on April 28th, 2012 15

    Look at the tires and then compair with with other vehicles tire that are used by Chinese with similar rockets weight.

  • Hamilton
    3:56 am on May 2nd, 2012 16

    Hey Teadrinker, tell us about how during your days in the Canadian Special Forces (green beret, wrong color for them but anywho….) the Self propelled guns had wheels and needed roads to get withing a couple of meters of their targets. Bwhaahahhahahahahahahah. Poser.

  • Steven
    6:34 am on May 2nd, 2012 17

    Hamilton
    6:05 pm on April 26th, 2012 3
    #2 TD again showing his lack of understanding of military hardware. Not a big surprise. TD, you do know that self-propelled guns have tracks right?

    TD must be hiding in a bunker.

  • Hamilton
    3:19 pm on May 2nd, 2012 18

    #17 Steven, the closest he ever got to a bunker was on a golf course but in his world it’s just the same. :razz:

  • Steven
    2:43 am on May 4th, 2012 19

    Hamilton, hole in one!

    When will Seoul start developing anti-shell defences like Israel’s Iron Dome? It may be expensive but will take one of the Nork’s chess pieces out of the game.

  • Commander
    5:04 am on May 4th, 2012 20

    Steven,

    I hope this may be of use to you.

    http://pds23.egloos.com/pds/201204/22/78/a0041278_4f92cc352188f.jpg

    The ROK defense ministry recognizes the need for an active counter-artillery defense system to more properly meet North Korea’s artillery threat. The above page comes from a report on the the 2011 national assembly audit for defense-related activities. Korea had already been test-developing a laser weaponry for that role for several years.

  • Commander
    12:28 am on May 5th, 2012 21

    A few weeks ago, the ROK ministry notified the public that the Sky Bow-II project was underway to establish an independent MD which would no longer ask for active US protection of Korea from North Korea’s ballistic missiles. The initial ROC for the system was 800 interceptor missiles. A few days ago, LIG Nex1 succeeded in bringing a 400-km missile defense radar prototype into mass production stage.

    美MD참여 논란 우려 SM-3·패트리엇 구매 않기로

    http://www.segye.com/Articles/News/Politics/Article.asp?aid=20120420022834&subctg1=&subctg2=

    A South Korean company has developed long-range radar technology able to track aircraft approaching the Korean Peninsula including long range missiles as well as North Korea`s long-range missiles.

    http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2012050295578

  • Commander
    6:00 am on May 5th, 2012 22

    Last month’s news on the South Korean anti-artillery laser weapon:

    http://www.konas.net/konasplus/militaryView2.asp?nIdx=98&idx=440

    It is said that a few kW laser was developed between 2008 and last year, and it will be incrementally improved to a 1000-kW laser system to intercept shells, precision-guided weapons, and rockets up to range beyond 100km. The target tracking device for the system will be developed until 2015.

    Related defense systems:

    K2 Black Panther APS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1cnawNsPUw

    Sky Bow-I

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iskg2DLZuMM

    Pegasus

  • Steven
    7:32 am on May 5th, 2012 23

    지휘과님 정보를 주셔서 감사합니다.

 

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