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Picture of the Day: Protesting Cows

Members from one of South Korea's leading civic groups, the Citizens' Coalition for Economic Justice, stage a protest near the presidential office Cheong Wa Dae in Seoul on May 1, 2012, calling for the government to immediately stop the import of U.S. beef. A nine-member emergency delegation of South Korean government officials, scholars and consumer advocacy group members is currently in the U.S. to check the safety of U.S. beef as public concern grows over a case of mad cow disease in the U.S. Earlier, the government decided not to suspend U.S. beef imports but only to increase quarantine checks. (Yonhap)

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  • Dreamboat Annie
    2:40 pm on May 1st, 2012 1

    Who is that supposed to be on the right? Costumes and props leftovers from the last beef riot in 2007?

  • tbonetylr
    4:12 pm on May 1st, 2012 2

    S. Koreans making S. Korea look foolish again. :lol:

  • kushibo
    4:51 pm on May 1st, 2012 3

    In one corner we have a South Korean fringe who believe Mad Cow is a looming threat to public health. In the other corner we have an American fringe that is certain Obama assassinated Andrew Breitbart.

    South Korean foolishness would have to get a lot more foolish for it to ever be a noticed as a contender. ;-)

  • Teadrinker
    5:05 pm on May 1st, 2012 4

    #3,

    One reported case of RCJ in South Korea when you can typically expect 1 in 1 million people over the age of 60 to contact it while there are hundreds of people who die from eating bad seafood every year.

    The only cattle product we have to worry about is the fringe’s BS.

  • tbonetylr
    5:40 pm on May 1st, 2012 5

    # 3,
    I don’t think teachers are teaching American students that Obama killed A. Breitbart like teachers taught Korean children that they better not eat American beef or they could die. And I know nothing of which you speak while most Koreans know about Mad Cow, even children. Are Americans dressing up like An, Jung-geun? Apples and oranges.

  • kushibo
    5:51 pm on May 1st, 2012 6

    Except that if you do eat beef you can die, and American meat practices (beyond just Mad Cow) actually lead to perhaps thousands of premature deaths every year. Look it up.

    On the other hand, the chances that Obama had Andrew Breitbart killed, even though you apparently haven’t heard this story that is lighting up the right-wing batosphere, almost certainly has not even a kernel of truth to it.

    Apple and oranges indeed. :lol:

  • kushibo
    5:57 pm on May 1st, 2012 7

    One reported case of RCJ in South Korea when you can typically expect 1 in 1 million people over the age of 60 to contact it while there are hundreds of people who die from eating bad seafood every year.

    The only cattle product we have to worry about is the fringe’s BS.

    First, while clearly attributable cases of RCJ to Mad Cow Disease are now rare, the truth is we don’t know about residual presence of prions and their related biochemistry in the beef supply, as well as the secondary or tertiary effects that would result. Though pooh-poohed now as much as the idea of bacteria being the cause of ulcers once was, there could be some there there in terms of a connection with Alzheimer’s Disease.

    Second, Mad Cow is only one of a number of major health risks that plague the American beef industry. Beef-related food poisoning (which extends to the vegetable supply) are a particular problem among American beef, as are a host of other issues that are well-known here.

    The chinboistas get whacko by focusing mainly on Mad Cow, but that doesn’t mean that it is incorrect to describe factory-farmed American beef as a health hazard. It doesn’t have to be that way, and they are doing you a favor if they can effect a healthy change in how Korea-bound beef is raised and processed. That is, if.

  • Flyingsword
    5:57 pm on May 1st, 2012 8

    Why don’t they protest Korean drivers if they are concerned about things that kill Korean’s regularly? http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20090908000032

  • kushibo
    6:01 pm on May 1st, 2012 9

    Flyingsword wrote:

    Why don’t they protest Korean drivers if they are concerned about things that kill Korean’s regularly? http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20090908000032

    Because they can’t emotionally tie traffic deaths to President Lee in a way that might lead to his ouster or prevent his party’s chosen successor from getting elected.

    From the chinboistas’ point of view, that’s what this is really all about.

  • Teadrinker
    9:53 pm on May 1st, 2012 10

    #7,

    Fact: the one detected case of CJD in Korea hasn’t been effectively linked to contaminated meat.

    Fact: the incidence of the disease is normally 1 in 1 million (Why hasn’t there been so few detected cases if Korean are supposedly more susceptible to it?).

    Fact: a conclusive link between Alzheimer’s and mad cow disease hasn’t been made.

    As for the rest of our argument, you’re essentially repeating what I had already written, which is that there are far more pressing issues concerning food safety than mad cow disease.

  • Teadrinker
    9:54 pm on May 1st, 2012 11

    …Or should I say, why are there been so few detected cases…

  • Teadrinker
    9:56 pm on May 1st, 2012 12

    #9,

    Yes, as I was saying, the bovine product we must be weary of is BS.

  • Stimpy
    10:24 pm on May 1st, 2012 13

    3- Do you really believe what you posted? Not even close.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    11:26 pm on May 1st, 2012 14

    An advisory from the USAG-Yongsan FB page:

    USAG – Yongsan
    Heads Up Reminder: There will be a candlelight vigil of about 3,000 people at Cheonggye Plaza tonight starting at 7 p.m. to mark the 4th anniversary of protests surrounding the Korean Government’s decision to allow import of U.S. beef into Korea. While this civil gathering is expected to be peaceful, all U.S. Forces Korea (Official Page) personnel are advised to avoid the area and mass transit leading to the area during the event. Stay safe!

    The timing of this and the latest madcow scare couldn’t be better for the nut-job fringe. I can’t wait to see how the local news spins this one…

  • Dreamboat Annie
    1:58 am on May 2nd, 2012 15

    14- It’s bad timing for the spring “protest season” because summer is too hot and winter is too cold for the Korean left to “riot for peace.” But if the Mad Cow had happened maybe 6 weeks ago, it could have swung the Korean National Assembly elections to the “Death to America” crowd.

  • kushibo
    2:03 am on May 2nd, 2012 16

    Dreamboat Annie is right. Six weeks earlier and the chinboistas would have milked Mad Cow for all they could.

    I’m not sure if I’d call them the “Death to America” crowd, though. They’re generally a “Yankee go home” crowd, which is more akin to a “Death to Korea” message, inadvertently at least.

  • Hamilton
    3:52 am on May 2nd, 2012 17

    #3 “we have an American fringe that is certain Obama assassinated Andrew Breitbart.”

    I never heard of it. Seriously and I go to left an right sources pretty often. I don’t doubt someone believes it but he is probably in a tin diaper at the moment.

    The difference is that the Mad Cow/anti-US crowd is mainstream. They do get on TV, do go on major blogs and newspapers. They do put the fear in the average South Korea.

    Your comment on Breitbart doesn’t even register as a blip on the average conservative in the US, very bad analogy. It’s all in the scale.

  • Sam
    4:15 am on May 2nd, 2012 18

    Bleh, they should ban US beef imports, let’s say for a year or two. After that let’s see how they like chewing on the Kiwi and Aussie imports or paying through the nose for homegrown.

  • kushibo
    4:50 am on May 2nd, 2012 19

    Sam wrote:

    Bleh, they should ban US beef imports, let’s say for a year or two. After that let’s see how they like chewing on the Kiwi and Aussie imports or paying through the nose for homegrown.

    Dude, you just described 2003 through 2008.

    They like it just fine. And the Aussies loved it.

  • Tom
    4:53 am on May 2nd, 2012 20

    Death to the US! Yankee Go Home! No more Mad Cow! :x

    “Why hasn’t there been so few detected cases if Korean are supposedly more susceptible to it?”

    Because stupid, the incubation period for this dirty cow meat disease can run up to 20 to 30 years. You wait and see in 20 years when the infected people start coming out and they’re going to be pointing the fingers right at you Americans, because you are responsible for their deaths.

  • kushibo
    4:58 am on May 2nd, 2012 21

    #17, I’ve seen the “Breitbart assassinated” meme in so many different places, and it was brought back again in the past few days since someone in the coroner’s office also died a mysterious death recently, that I’m having trouble believing none of you’s all have heard of this.

    A restrictive string search of “Breitbart assassinated” in quotes reveals 108K hits.

    And I agree it would be a bad analogy if they were on par with each other in terms of veracity. But the fact remains American beef is indeed harmful to your health for a variety of reasons that it shouldn’t be, including the potential for Mad Cow, while Andrew Breitbart indeed was not assassinated by Obama operatives.

  • kangaji
    5:17 am on May 2nd, 2012 22

    Good Morning everyone and a Marg-bar Amreeka to you Tom!
    (Don’t worry, I’m sure the Ayatollah meant only US America Doctor Yu.)
    I think the US Cow is cute, and this is the first Time I’ve seen a foreign Secretary of Agriculture – Tom’s Evil Twin Tom Vilsack exposed.

    BUT WILL THEY FIND his REAL MASTER~!?

  • Paul
    9:21 am on May 2nd, 2012 23

    #1 and #2: In all fairness, my first thought was that these are the best dressed and least superfluously creepy protesters I’ve seen in the Korean media for… well… ever.

  • Tom
    11:15 am on May 2nd, 2012 24

    US bans Canadian Mad Cow beef from cows older than 30 months, despite OIE saying there is no danger of Mad Cow for Canada. Yup. Hipocrites. The US is demanding Korea open its markets for 30 month and older beef, yet the US themselves do a complete opposite to what they demand of others. Just look how much whining the US did against Korea, for banning 30 months old beef from US. See? This is why we don’t trust you corrupt Americans, your government is in bed with your corrupt beef industry who feed the politicians with money and shower them with bribes so that they can influence national policies in the senate.

    http://www.viewsnnews.com/article/view.jsp?seq=37344

  • kangaji
    11:36 am on May 2nd, 2012 25

    Nice one Tom.

    http://www.nationalaglawcenter.org/assets/crs/RS21709.pdf

    July 18, 2005, the U.S. border reopened to imports from Canada of live cattle
    under 30 months old, under USDA’s Initial Minimal Risk Rule.11 The reopening was the
    first time in more than two years, since Canada’s BSE incident in May 2003, that live
    cattle from Canada were eligible to enter the United States. On September 14, 2007,
    USDA announced its Minimal Risk Rule 2 (MRR2), a final rule that allows for the
    importation of live cattle and other bovine species (e.g., bison) for any use (including
    breeding animals born on or after March 1, 1999, a date APHIS had determined to be the
    effective enforcement of Canada’s ruminant-to-ruminant feed ban). The final rule became
    effective November 19, 2007. Also in effect as of November 19, 2007, is a measure
    allowing imports of meat from Canadian cattle older than 30 months; this was a
    suspended part of a USDA rule issued in January 2005.

  • Tom
    12:06 pm on May 2nd, 2012 26

    According to this article, the rules in Canada are much more stricter than the US, but the rules are so full of loop holes, the Canadian beef industry is just as bad as the US.

    So what happens is that the Canadian cow is sent to the US for slaughter because the rules in the States are so lax, any cattle suspected of mad cow can be easily passed off. After the mad cow is slaughtered, they get imported back to Canada where they are sold to the unsuspecting Canadian consumers. This virtually uninspected beef then is resold overseas to Korea.
    Both US and Canadian beef should be completely blocked until they meet international standards. Why is it we don’t have any issues with Australian and New Zealand beef? Because they follow the rules and they are safe, that’s why. Instead of the US crying and putting temper tantrums, why not fix your problems and stop blaming Korea!

    http://beefcanada.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21

  • Teadrinker
    5:10 pm on May 2nd, 2012 27

    #26,

    Please tell us what are the “international standards”.

    :lol:

  • Teadrinker
    5:24 pm on May 2nd, 2012 28

    Once again, much ado about nothing…

    3/100000 die every year of food poisoning in South Korea after eating food which contaminated (mainly through poor handling practices) and 6-10 choke and die while eating live octopus.

  • Tom
    8:25 pm on May 2nd, 2012 29

    “Please tell us what are the “international standards”.”

    Like not feeding cow and other animal parts to cows? That’s one.

    “3/100000 die every year of food poisoning in South Korea”

    Nonsense probably you’re pulling the figure out of your butt. Even if it’s true, the US figures for food poisoning are even worse.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=food-poisonings-hidden-legacy

    Couple with this, with the fact that quarter of the Americans don’t even have basic healthcare coverage, the problem is far worse.

  • MCGEEHEE
    5:28 am on May 3rd, 2012 30

    If you leave a cow alone in nature, it will graze on grass. It’s what they were designed to eat; as ruminants, they are herbivores. In the US, industrial factory farms don’t allow cows to graze because it takes to long to achieve their slaughter weight/size. A grass grazer can take 5 years to achieve slaughter weight whereas a factory raised cow fed a meal of corn/soy grain, growth hormones, animal protein (renderings from other animals), and antibiotics reduces that time to just 15 months. Corporate tycoons call that efficiency. Quality and health have nothing to do with it. A grass fed cow produces healthy meat. Factory raised cows produce some sad substitute that only resembles meat – it’s a figment of what real meat used to be 100 years ago when all cows grazed on grass and meat was natural and healthy. The tide is turning: There are a growing number of farmers in the US who now are shunning the factory farming model and letting their herds graze on grass. No growth hormones, no feeding herbivores animal protein, no antibiotics, no chemicals. Yes, their meat comes at a premium price, but how much would you pay to restore your health after you’ve lost it? For this reason, the US can keep their factory farmed beef because it is, quite possibly, the worst beef in the world. Until then, I’ll stick with grass-fed Han-oo, lamb, duck, pheasant, kangaroo (a surprisingly healthy meat), and pasture managed poultry. The problem most non-farmers have with purchasing meat is the difference can’t be SEEN on the store shelf. After all, an egg is an egg, right? Wrong. One can look at a Mercedes and see the difference next to a Kia, but when looking at a package of meat in the grocery store, one can’t see the difference, but there is a stark difference in quality and health content.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    10:20 pm on May 3rd, 2012 31

    Well – looks like we’re on to round two. Wonder how much of this silliness will go on throughout the summer…

    USAG – Yongsan
    Heads Up: There will be a candlelight vigil of about 2,000 people at Youido Cultural Park tonight (May 4, 2012) scheduled from 7:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. to urge the Korean government to renew a ban on U.S. beef imports. While this civil gathering is expected to be peaceful, all U.S. Forces Korea (Official Page) personnel are advised to avoid the area and mass transit leading to the area during the event.

 

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