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CSM Teresa King Officially Leaves US Army Drill Sergeant School Shortly After Being Reinstated

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As reported a couple of weeks ago the US Army reinstated the controversial CSM Teresa King just to remove her:

The Army decided to formally replace its first female drill sergeant commandant, Command Sgt. Maj. Teresa King, only days after it lifted a six-month suspension placed on her, according to the Associated Press.

The announcement on Wednesday also said there will be a change of command ceremony the next day at the prestigious Army Drill Sergeants School at Fort Jackson, S.C.  [Stars & Stripes]

As I have stated before she probably should have never received the assignment in the first place, but how can she be removed for not deploying and for fake educational degrees when the Army would have known that when they gave her the assignment.  With that all said, King has little sympathy from me for her situation after making this statement:

King said she believes the complaints against her came from those who found her too rigid, when she was following instructions to hold drill sergeants to high standards. And criticism that she had never been deployed in combat is unfounded, she said, because she went where the Army sent her. Once, while posted at Fort Bragg with an airborne unit, she was held back from a combat deployment because she was a woman. Instead, she was sent to jobs in Europe and Washington, D.C.

Seriously does King think soldiers are going to believe her statement?  The 82nd Airborne regularly deploys with women.  She is in a admin MOS and the personnel offices are regularly staffed with females while on deployment for every division in the Army.  What probably happened is that she was made the Rear Detachment NCO for whatever unit she was with to look after all the other soldiers that did not deploy for whatever reason.  This is something that both men and women get assigned to do.  Usually the people left behind are either hurt, have outstanding legal issues, or those assigned to account for property while the unit is away.

It sounds more like King is trying to restore her reputation for a civilian audience that doesn’t know any better.  The bottom line is that she had 30 years to volunteer for a deployment and she did not.

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  • guitard
    3:42 pm on May 18th, 2012 1

    Once, while posted at Fort Bragg with an airborne unit, she was held back from a combat deployment because she was a woman.

    What should have followed this statement:

    However, CSM King did deploy. She said, “I fought back tooth and nail and DEMANDED that I deploy with everyone else because I am a soldier and I belong with the other soldiers.”

  • Vince
    4:06 pm on May 18th, 2012 2

    Yeah- horse sh1t by the cart load. Just try and do anything a female/minority doesn’t like and see what that gets you and quick.

    If she really wanted to go, she could have. Getting yanked and deployed over the past 11 years was pretty common. You had to work pretty hard to avoid it.

  • Teadrinker
    5:09 pm on May 18th, 2012 3

    “And criticism that she had never been deployed in combat is unfounded, she said, because she went where the Army sent her.”

    This is actually a good point, and she should have stopped at that.

  • Duke of Yong Gu Gol
    6:20 pm on May 18th, 2012 4

    The only way an E-7 or above didn’t get deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan in the past ten years was because they used their connections to stay away.
    How anyone thought that a non combat experienced soldier should be the commandant of the drill sergeant school is beyond any kind of common sense.
    Honestly, whoever pushed for her assignment need a swift kick in the butt.

  • Pvt. joe smuck
    6:29 pm on May 18th, 2012 5

    Actually there is quit a few soldiers that use the military system to their benefit by requesting back to back assignments to the same duty station, country, same unit numerous time and before they know it, they got twenty or so years under their belt in the same spot.. And if their stars line up. they can hide out in South Korea or germany by extending or going to some far off country like KFOR Kosovo or Spain dodging the big bases in in the states where they want get deployed to war zone, serving their country and trying to keep the head at the same time. lol.

  • Tom Langley
    7:25 pm on May 18th, 2012 6

    She is removed as commandant of the Drill Sergeant School, is reinstated, & a few days later is replaced. Something is going on here that the public is not privy too, either that or somebody dropped some really good acid in some coffee pots at the pentagon.

  • US ARMY WAVERING
    8:33 pm on May 18th, 2012 7

    This is really weird never seen the US army waver back and fourth like this before. It appeared that somebody on her side gave favorable action toward her and went alone with the wrong decisions before hand and had to renege on a promise they could not keep because of the heat on her. Consequently she is just trying to salvage what ever creditability she got left for the civilian sector to get a job. She got to go silly rabbit..

  • Ole Tanker
    8:49 pm on May 18th, 2012 8

    My last shot at King. Goodbye Sergeant Major.
    You never got deployed? Never put in a 4187?
    Did a tuff tour in Korea! Never bought an oxtail in the Commisary for a friend? Paid rent on an apartment with (OHA)?
    WOW, TUFF LIFE!!

    Got sent to Germany! Goes without saying. “TUFF LIFE”!

    BLUF. You lived a life of gravy, never paid the piper! :cool:

  • Teadrinker
    8:51 pm on May 18th, 2012 9

    #5,

    What’s wrong with Spain?

  • guitard
    9:14 pm on May 18th, 2012 10

    Got sent to Germany! Goes without saying. “TUFF LIFE”!

    With regard to deploying to the sandbox, being assigned in Germany is (was?) just life being assigned to CONUS these days. You will deploy from Germany – and you will deploy often.

  • Vince
    2:39 am on May 19th, 2012 11

    1. Army retains and promotes special person.
    2. Army finds out person is not who she claims to be
    3. Army is embarrassed
    4. Army tries to hammer special person
    5. Army looks ridiculous because all special person’s “accomplishments” were sanctioned by the Army
    6. Special person gets lawyer and shows that she went where she was told when she was told (no accounting for “hook ups”- nothing says you can’t use them)
    7. Army looks ridiculous for trying to hammer special person
    8. Army exonerates special person
    9. Army looks ridiculous
    10. Army reinstates special person
    11. Army looks ridiculous
    12. Army replaces special person via normal duty rotation/change of command/responsibility
    13. Army looks ridiculous
    14. Army waits for this to just go the fock away
    15. Special person gets last licks in

    Where the hell is Jerry Springer?

  • Lemmy
    7:05 am on May 19th, 2012 12

    I have to say I have never seen this behavior before. Not even with SMA McKinney

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    8:46 am on May 19th, 2012 13

    #12 – Well, I suppose King’s lawyer used some of the sound bytes and missteps from Gene McKinney’s experience to beat the system… :lol:

  • Ole Tanker
    4:01 pm on May 19th, 2012 14

    #13,

    DUDE!! I wouldn’t be surprised if King’ster wasn’t on McKinneys staff/entourage when he was you, know the man. Ok, I can..(gulp) say it , he was SMA.

  • Lemmy
    5:01 pm on May 19th, 2012 15

    Has anyone ever seen a TRADOC organization in AF or IZ?

  • Jimbob
    7:19 pm on May 19th, 2012 16

    I think they mean “change of responsibility”. She’s a Sergeant Major, she’s not in *command* of anything…

  • guitard
    10:51 pm on May 19th, 2012 17

    I believe an NCO academy is the one place where an enlisted person (the “commandant”) is put in command and has UCMJ authority.

    My information is a bit dated though.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    1:09 am on May 20th, 2012 18

    #14 – haha – that’s it~!! Gene McKinney put the fix in and lined her up for the job years ago, just before he got the boot… :idea:

  • MAJ K
    1:24 pm on May 20th, 2012 19

    Speaking of no combat tour, has anyone seen US Army COL Taylor on the photo with Danish Prince in JSA?

    http://gpdhome.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c648253ef016305850244970d-pi

    He either has no combat patch or it is against JSA regulation for wearing the unit patch on the right sleeve.

  • LG DACOM Stinks, Royally
    1:34 pm on May 20th, 2012 20

    He has never worn a combat patch.

  • setnaffa
    4:59 pm on May 20th, 2012 21

    Who was the last POTUS who was “deployed”?

  • Leon LaPorte
    5:58 pm on May 20th, 2012 22

    21. George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, Lyndon B. Johnson, Eisenhower and Kennedy.

  • setnaffa
    7:57 pm on May 20th, 2012 23

    Yeah, that’s what I thought… :mrgreen:

    Kind of explains a lot about our foreign policy, too… :|

  • Lazy_Contractor
    8:47 pm on May 20th, 2012 24

    “had 30 years to volunteer for a deployment and she did not.”

    Seriously?

    Volunteer for deployment?

    That’s insane.

    Are those vets who served during “non-war” time less of a solider cause they didn’t deploy anywhere?

    How ’bout those soldiers over here who AIPed to stay here for the length of the (desert) war(s)?

    Even though I may not care for THIS story’s NCO – there are PLENTY of great soldiers around who never stepped foot in the desert. And just cause one doesn’t volunteer to go – doesn’t make em less of a soldier.

  • guitard
    11:00 pm on May 20th, 2012 25

    Lazy_Contractor: Please provide the name of a CSM currently serving as a commandant at an NCO academy who has never deployed.

  • Glans
    11:34 pm on May 20th, 2012 26

    Why stop with Ike, Leon? Truman deployed, too.

  • Leon LaPorte
    11:49 pm on May 20th, 2012 27

    I know, but I had to stop somewhere. I should have added et al on the end. :lol:

  • Glans
    3:24 am on May 21st, 2012 28

    Leon, here’s an interesting fact: Truman saw combat in World War I, but Eisenhower didn’t.

  • Chris In Dallas
    4:27 am on May 21st, 2012 29

    17: That’s true but in theory anyone in the military can be placed in a command slot. In reality there is almost always going to be a commissioned officer around who can fill such spots. When I was in Korea, I got snagged for a US/ROK exchange program just as my stir-crazy Korea hating stop-lossed company commander was about to go on leave. My CO suggested our First Sergeant be the acting commander. The Battalion Commander nixed it in favor of putting his freshly promoted to Lieutenant Colonel XO in charge.

    By the way, I think “anyone in the military” is defined broadly. I seem to recall civilians can be put in command too. As an example look at the exploits of John Paul Vann during the Easter Offensive of the Vietnam War.

  • setnaffa
    4:31 am on May 21st, 2012 30

    @28 Glans, it is worthy to note that Truman served as a junior officer in the artillery while Eisenhower’s multiple requests for deployment overseas were denied until it was too late to see combat. Ike did a lot more for the country’s future military men than Truman (at least during that war).

  • guitard
    4:51 am on May 21st, 2012 31

    In reality there is almost always going to be a commissioned officer around who can fill such spots.

    That’s what makes NCO academies unique – there are no commissioned officers assigned.

    And that’s why the commandant – even though he/she is enlisted – has UCMJ authority. Although, typically if someone screws up bad enough to get an Article 15 while attending an NCO Academy, they get sent back to their unit and it is dealt with there.

  • Scumspawn
    11:06 am on May 21st, 2012 32

    31. Yep. The commandant when I went to PLDC at Ft Hood was Command Sergeant Major Sergeant. ;)

  • setnaffa
    3:12 pm on May 21st, 2012 33

    @29, Chris, Vann was a retired Colonel… Officers serve at the pleasure of the President and can be recalled willingly or not. So it’s not exactly like he was a civilian-civilian… he was really in the Army in street clothes, so to speak…

  • Hamilton
    7:45 pm on May 21st, 2012 34

    “Volunteer for deployment?
    That’s insane. ”

    Color a lot of great Americans insane then.

  • WILLUGETTALIFE
    10:16 am on June 22nd, 2012 35

    Some of you all need to get a life…CSM King is not the first and only CSM not deploy….look in your on ranks and stop being so quick to judge…Most Soldiers don’t volunteer for deployment that is contigent upon the organization they are assigned to and if they are identified to deploy…Where a Soldier is assigned to is directed by HRC and not the choosing of the Soldier…It’s sad that we have come to the place where we will bash some but not all…Once again, you have plenty of Senior Leaders who have not and will not deploy and BLUF…there isn’t anything you can do to change that…and making trite comments like the ones posted here says some of you are the most unprofessionals indivdauls serving in uniform…Getting a life and stpo hating…it’s not bit a badge of honor and you are not wearing it well….

  • Vince
    2:22 pm on June 22nd, 2012 36

    Don’t worry- anytime I see someone with rank but slick right sleeve, I always remind him (or her) that he must have forgotten to put on his combat patch this morning. I’m an Equal Opportunity mocker of those who shirk.

    Oh- you don’t HAVE one? Oh- OK, I guess…. Maybe we can get you one that says “THIS SPACE FOR RENT”.

    Sanctioned incompetence demoralizes an organization.

    Sanctioned shirking rots it.

    Unless there are really compelling reasons for someone to NOT have gone over to the war, that person has no excuse.

  • guitard
    4:24 pm on June 22nd, 2012 37

    WILLUGETTALIFE wrote:

    Where a Soldier is assigned to is directed by HRC and not the choosing of the Soldier…

    So CSM King never once in her career called up her career manager and said she would like to go to such and such a base? She never once submitted a DA 4187 requesting assignment to a particular location? The ONLY thing she ever did was sit back quietly waiting for orders – and just went wherever the Army told her to go?

    you have plenty of Senior Leaders who have not and will not deploy

    Name them then. Provide the name of any Division CSM who has never deployed. Provide the name of any Division Commander who has never deployed.

    Actually – don’t waste your time. There are none. They have ALL deployed. In most cases – many, many times.

  • Retired GI
    7:58 pm on June 22nd, 2012 38

    #35 stated that a soldier has no control as to where he/she goes. I am evidence that statement is wrong.

    I 4187ed to korea, just a few times.

    When the unit was deployed to Bosnia, I was told that I didn’t need to go. I insisted that I be allowed to deploy with my unit. I went.

    When I returned from Korea to the CAV, I was told that I had just returned from overseas and did not have to deploy with my unit to Iraq. I insisted that I be allowed to deploy with my unit to Iraq. I went.

    I was told at medical processing that since by shoulder had been operated on 6 months ago, I had a medical reason to not deploy. I turned it down and deployed to Iraq with my unit.

    To say that a senior NCO had no OPPORTUNITY to deploy to a combat zone IS insulting in the extream.

    That or I was a much more capable NCO than she ever was. Which is likely the truth. To put her in charge of NCOs such as myself, goes to show the damage that Political Correctness has done to the Army Leadership.

    Oh and Jerry Sandusky has been convicted of 45 of the 48 charges of sexually molesting young boys. (read Gay male in charge of young men, allowed his Gay desires to take control)
    There is something to celebrate during Gay Pride month, Politically Correct Army. If it can happen in the civilian world, it will happen in the Army. Rough water ahead.

  • MAJ K
    10:53 pm on June 22nd, 2012 39

    As an Army Reserve soldier who (involuntarily) deployed 3 times, I can not believe that an Active duty E-9 was just “waiting” for her deployment order. It is sad that US Army will deploy their part time soldier 3 times to combat while their full time soldier stays behind in the rear.

    Also, she was career Adjutant General (AG: Army HR) branch NCO who knew how to circumvent the system to make themselves not get stuck in the deployment position.

    Waiting for her deployment order? LOL!!!

  • leon LaPorte
    10:59 pm on June 22nd, 2012 40

    Over 10 years of war in two theaters and she missed the whole thing. I bet she never missed an EO briefing or any black history month luncheons.

  • Retired GI
    6:02 am on June 23rd, 2012 41

    Hailinated American please. You know she don’t miss no EO briefing or black history month. Likely she was keynoted speaker at both. Her enemy was right there on post and he was white.

    All of you military individuals out there know one or ten individuals in uniform just like her.

  • huggy man
    4:15 pm on September 2nd, 2012 42

    Why is it that so many people are hating on the fact that she didn’t do a combat tour as though that is needed to train individuals to do something in the Army…she was a drill instructor and trained people to fight and survive and possibly perform their primary MOS outside of the Basic Combat Training that we all have to go through…her hatred is rife with venom from the racial prejudice, and sexism that does still exist in the United States Army. I can speak from prior experience that I experienced racial intolerance also…There was this white E-5 who kicked a can on the ground and told me to pick it up, and when I didn’t the cronies all decided to dive in on me for that lack of motivation that I showed as a black male who was told to pick up a coke can that he could have easily grabbed from the ground because I missed it… I didn’t see it. so while she may or may not have done somthing to warrant an investigation, I will use my short three years to say that I can only imagine why she is berated for not having a combat patch on the right shoulder…In my mind I tried to avoid every freaking conflict that we came upon by calling myself a conscientious objector…There is that right too..but get this while people are saying she has no combat experience, we are required to protect this nation from enemies foreign and domestic…she did it on both side, and because she didn’t have direct combat experience that doesn’t nullify her contract obligations or service in rank and time…to me she was a damn good hero for staying in that bullish for as long as she did…many still don’t think women or blacks should be in positions of power…damn a patch, she did her job!

  • huggy man
    4:21 pm on September 2nd, 2012 43

    I meant to say that those that shows hatred towards her it’s rife with venom from the racial prejudice that people can’t get beyond!

  • Retired GI
    4:56 pm on September 2nd, 2012 44

    THERE IT IS!! THERE IT IS!!

    What? the individual did something wrong and got busted. Good.

    What? Oh, they are BLACK! RACIST! RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!

    What? the SM is a FEMALE! SEXEST! SEXEST! SEXEST! SEXEST!

    There you have it ladies and Gents. This is the PROBLEM with the Army today.

    When you FIRST have to prove you’re NOT a racist OR a sexest, before you can do you’re damn JOB….well, you can’t do your job. That simple.

    Don’t forget the religious angle! Unarmed Soldiers were shot DEAD at FT. Hood, because high ranking HIGH RANKING—individuals were AFRAID to do their job. It cost lives!

    This is the end result of having “SPECIAL INTERESTS” GROUPS, rather than a united Unit and Army. (which we do not have) Just read “HUGGY MAN”. There is your EVIDENCE.

    When I was a young troop in 1986, a black Sergeant took me under his wing and raised me right (unlike HUGGY MAN).

    He asked me the color of HIS skin and then the color of MY skin. (his was black and mine white)

    Then he told me that I WAS —WRONG!

    He said that we were BOTH “Green”. “We leave that chit outside the gate for the civilians to deal with.”

    I loved that Army! I could not WAIT to retire from the piece of crap that the Army had turned into by 2005.

 

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