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ROK Drop Open Thread – May 20, 2012

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  • Lemmy
    7:06 am on May 20th, 2012 1

    Since I’ve got some free time, I’ve done a lot of reading and you-tubing to catch up on things, but I’ve noticed what seems to be an ever progressing trend. When someone writes something that another disagrees with, the person who disagrees seems unable to rebut with a comment and simply invokes the bigot or racist term and its used so often that its diluted and has lost its meaning. Sure there are a million issues, but to keep things manageable, some are: Obama’s birth and most recently Arizona’s fight with the white house, The George Zimmerman Trial, and homosexual marriage. So at the drop of a hat, the discussion of this issues are so poorly managed they almost immediately lead to the claim of bigotry, homophobia, racist, and other slurs.
    The use of these slurs are normally accompanied by nothing more and it tends to make the author look simply ignorant. I would like to use Pat Buchanan as an example. Buchanan along with Robert Bork are likely two of the most intelligent men in America’s recent history. Both of these men are very well read in US and World History, Constitutional Theory and Practice and Social Issues – the bottom line is they know a lot of stuff. What makes them some of the smartest men in America is their unique ability to interlock information and present a finished product that makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, there are many who simply discount these men as bigots and racist when they hear their names. I have never read a rebuttal by one of these “name callers” that was factual or in any way accurate. They twist statements and delete information that deprives others of all the information.
    There is harm in this because the average person is probably too busy or disinterested to discover the truth and they simply restate what they partially hear or read. I personally came across this when a 50 something year old friend of mine conversed with me his impressions of the George Zimmerman / Travon Martin incident. After listening to my friend and had I known nothing about the story, I would have believed GZ ambushed TM and killed him in cold blood. This is a 50+ year old man that has a high level job inside the US Govt. I didn’t ask how he came of the information he disseminated, but what amazed me is his belief he had all the correct information. When someone disagreed with him, he immediately and verbally called that person a bigot and racist for not siding with the African American who had been killed.

    American is gone as I remember it and pretty soon it’s constitution will change or people will simply disregard it and it will be meaningless. I can’t present the facts clear enough, but” Suicide of a Superpower; Will America Survive to 2025.” Read the book and then check up on the facts for yourself.

  • Tom
    3:17 pm on May 20th, 2012 2

    Good luck America to survive 2025.

    Now in the other news.

    Reverse immigration from US rising

    By Jane Han

    NEW YORK — By all means, 24 hours isn’t enough for Cho Mi-na these days. Camped out in front of the computer all day, the 46-year-old is busy searching for an apartment, checking how to get a driver’s license and finding schools for her two kids.

    It’s immigration all over again — but this time, back home to Korea. “The good thing is that there’s no language barrier this time around. Trust me, that makes a world of difference,” said Cho, who finally reached an agreement with her husband to return to Korea after living in the U.S. for 15 years.

    The couple made a tough decision to shut down their struggling deli shop in New Jersey and return to their hometown Busan, where both sides of their family still live.

    “We gave it our best shot, but sometimes, things just don’t work out the way we want,” said Cho, who blamed financial problems, high medical costs and a severe case of homesickness, which are all made the worse in the ongoing economic difficulty sweeping the U.S. “I’m not sure life in Korea will be happier and easier. But at least I won’t be lonely.” Some people may find Cho’s decision odd, but in reality, reverse immigration is anything but unusual.

    A growing number of Koreans in the U.S. are jumping on the road back home for the very same reasons.

    According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, 2,122 Koreans in the U.S. permanently returned to Korea last year, up more than 60 percent from 1,319 in 2005.

    The number is expected to be much higher if we take into account all the reverse immigrants who hold the F-4 overseas Korean visa.

    “It’s a trend for sure, especially among the older generation who are ready to retire,” says Kim Tae-woong, an official of the Federation of Korean Associations, U.S.A. “America isn’t the America it used to be and Korea isn’t the Korea it was before, so people are starting to rethink their decisions.” This is apparent from the growing number and popularity of online sites, communities and forums, where hopeful reverse immigrants exchange information about settling down in Korea.

    One community site on Daum saw a 50-percent increase in new memberships over just one year. Here, people ask about everything from Korean’s elderly welfare programs to average grocery prices.

    “It’s been almost 20 years since I left Korea. There is so much to reacquaint myself with,” wrote one user by the name Seoulite.

    Another user identified as RL wrote, “I’m ready to face cultural differences, but at least it’s right back in my home turf.” Experts expect reverse immigrations to continue heading up in the next several years.

    The older generation likely to be Korea bound cite high medical costs in the U.S., while younger families seek to enjoy a more convenient and financially stable life in Korea.

    “These changes are only natural considering the prolonged economic slowdown here,” says an official of the Korean-American Association of Greater New York.

    “People seek immigration in hopes to live a better life, so they’ll continue to be on the move to find what they’re looking for.”

  • Dreamboat Annie
    3:22 pm on May 20th, 2012 3

    Three cannibals executed for ‘selling or eating’ human flesh in North Korea

  • tbonetylr
    4:24 pm on May 20th, 2012 4

    # 2,
    “According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, 2,122 Koreans in the U.S. permanently returned to Korea last year, up more than 60 percent from 1,319 in 2005.”

    Many Mexicans are also moving back to Mexico. Given this news about Koreans and Mexicans maybe America would be a better place for me now. New Jersey is a pit. America is a big country, why do so many Koreans live there or New York? New York/New Jersey is a difficult place to live and politicians will again be bickering over raising the debt ceiling this coming December which isn’t good for Koreans in America worried about welfare programs.

  • Glans
    5:06 pm on May 20th, 2012 5

    The Chinese fisherman have been released by North Korea, according to Yahoo and Reuters. The report doesn’t say if any money changed hands.

  • Lemme
    5:56 pm on May 20th, 2012 6

    NK Tom, glad to see you back. I stopped reading your post for a second to confirm my thoughts about the F4 visa mentioned in your cut-and-paste. And I was right so I quit reading it because of false information. I do understand the USA is tough and many can’t handle it. Plus if I couldn’t assimilate into a society, I would leave too. Please do your homework before you turn in your work……

    Say hello to the Dear Leader

  • Leon LaPorte
    6:09 pm on May 20th, 2012 7

    2. Golly. I hope they didn’t let the door hit them in the ass!

  • Leon LaPorte
    6:15 pm on May 20th, 2012 8

    I think it is long past time America adopt new visa procedures and requirements. Something along the lines of New Zealand seems like a good approach. We can recruit the cream of the crop . We already have more than enough delis, convenience stores and liquor stores.

  • Tom
    7:10 pm on May 20th, 2012 9

    #8 that’s because that’s just about sums up your economy, plus the gun stores.


  • MTB Rider
    7:13 pm on May 20th, 2012 10

    So, Tom… When are you leaving Toronto for China?

    And what about that whole North Korean Navy kidnapping and ransoming Chinese fishermen? Or are you under orders to never discuss it? :razz:

  • Tom
    7:26 pm on May 20th, 2012 11

    And in another news, record number of Americans leaving America for good.

    While record number of Americans give up their citizenship, over 8 times the number that was in 2008.

    The ship is sinking.

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:05 pm on May 20th, 2012 12

    For one thing, there are many more Americans than ever before. Once again you misrepresent the article. It says nothing of people renouncing their citizenship. It’s people living and working overseas. In my opinion this is a great and good thing for the country. Those who return will have a broader word view and likely be less religiously puritanical and culturally and politically providential. America needs that.

  • Glans
    11:31 pm on May 20th, 2012 13

    Tom, was the Chinese boat fishing in Korean waters? Did Korea act correctly in detaining the crew?

  • MTB Rider
    11:37 pm on May 20th, 2012 14

    Tom is under STRICT orders not to discuss it! On Pain of Reeducation Through Labor.

    You know Tom os not going to give up the sweet life of expat college student in Canada to give us a comment. He is currently restricted to penis jokes.

    What a sad, sad life Tom leads. Almost feel sorry for him. Almost. :razz:

    5:08 am on May 21st, 2012 15

    The other night I was driving down the Las Vegas strip and witness this human being at leasts what appeared to be a human, drugged out addict of a young woman running up to cars begging for money she was in a terrible state, I wondered what kind of person does it take to sell a person this stuff. She was in such disheveled state I thought to myself this is someone’s daughter, sister, aunt cousin,ect. I see the chinese take selling drugs very seriously from looking at this young woman on Las Vegas Strip, they should. But how much is the buyer fault or how much is the seller or manufacture fault 50/50 or 75/25 buyer. Can this crime be divided and everybody share the consequences.

  • Tom Langley
    1:29 pm on May 22nd, 2012 16

    I want to talk about former Senator John Edwards. The jury has not returned a verdict as of this minute. Politically we are as far apart as can be so what I am about to say has nothing to do with politics. First of all I think that personally he is one of the most despicable excuses for a human being that I’ve ever heard of, leaving his cancer stricken wife for a bimbo. I would rather dive in a swimming pool of vomit rather than to be in the same room breathing the same air as this putrid POS. I knew he was a phony when he ran with Gore. However as to these charges, he clearly was trying to shut his bimbo up but to say that this was a “campaign contribution violation” is just trying to make up new law. Even the Federal Election Commission put on a memo saying that his conduct didn’t violate the law. If he is convicted I’m sure it will be reversed on appeal. Just typing his name makes me want to use some hand sanitizer.

  • Tom Langley
    1:35 pm on May 22nd, 2012 17

    Today Space X successfully launched a rocket into orbit headed for the International Space Station (ISS). This is a triumph of free enterprise even though NASA funded it. This encouragement of free enterprise in space is one of the very few things that I agree with the Obama administration on. Think about this for a moment: Isn’t is amazing that a relatively small company can successfully launch a capsule into orbit when the country of North Korea can’t marshal its resources & its population of 25 million people to accomplish the same task.

  • Casanova
    1:47 pm on May 22nd, 2012 18

    Interesting read.

    How Korea stacks up to other Countries.

  • Sonagi
    4:52 pm on May 22nd, 2012 19

    Not surprised to see the deli shop owners and other small investors leave the US. A small investor on a E visa must earn a minimum amount of annual revenue to maintain the visa and grow a very successful business hiring a certain number of US citizens to upgrade to a green card. if the business does poorly and the visa is not renewed, then the family faces a choice of either remaining illegally or returning to their home country. Children of small investors can attend public schools for free and pay resident tuition at public colleges and universities but are not eligible for financial aid. When they turn 21, they must leave unless they find some other means to stay such as an employment visa or a green card through marriage to a US citizen. A stagnant economy isn’t the only factor tipping the ratio of immigrant arrivals to departures. With only three states still giving out driver’s licenses without regard to legal status and more employers verifying SSNs, it is becoming hard to live in the US without legal residency.

  • Glans
    5:56 pm on May 22nd, 2012 20

    Tom Langley 16, when did Edwards run with Gore?

  • Tom Langley
    6:34 pm on May 22nd, 2012 21

    Glans #20, He ran with Gore on the LSD flashback presidential ticket in my mind. Of course I was thinking about Kerry but wrote Gore. Gore of course ran with Lieberman(I hope I got everything right now since I got frazzled reading where you correctly pointed out my mistake).

  • Glans
    1:48 am on May 23rd, 2012 22

    Remember the Cartagena Secret-Service scandal?

    Some of the Secret Service agents are now fighting their dismissals. One guy didn’t know two of the women were prostitutes. Other guys had unpaid sexual encounters. But somehow, a hotel manager didn’t like them:

    “Outside the Hotel Caribe, Secret Service officers had repeatedly allowed their bomb-sniffing Belgian Malinois shepherds to defecate on the lone grassy patch along the hotel’s beachfront property — directly in front of the hotel manager’s apartment.”

    Carol D. Leonnig and David Nakamura report for WashingtonPost.

  • Glans
    3:16 am on May 23rd, 2012 23

    A rapist named Park is to be chemically castrated in South Korea. KJ Kwon reports for CNN.

  • Should be used on all Catholic Priest and Nuns. This sort of activity runs rampant amongst them
    4:01 am on May 23rd, 2012 24

    No comment.

  • JoeC
    3:31 pm on May 24th, 2012 25

    Remember the National Defense Authorization Act 2012? The one that has an amendment that gave the military the power to hold American citizens without charges, without due-process or without trial, indefinitely, if they are suspected to associate with terrorists. Well, NDAA 2013 will also have an interesting nugget riding in it.

    The measure, the Gender Equality in Combat Act drawn up by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), would order the Department of Defense to issue a report within a year that sets an end date for the military’s ground combat exclusion policy for women.

    It could happen.

  • Casanova
    3:50 pm on May 24th, 2012 26

    Tom, this one is for you…

  • MTB Rider
    3:51 pm on May 24th, 2012 27

    OK, as the guy who used to think Women in Infantry wasn’t a bad idea (before I learned the requirements of the job), I have to ask: Now what?

    As a Sailor, I taught plenty of women how to shoot, move and communicate ON BOARD A SHIP. Which I have come to discover is completely different than in the FIELD.

    So? The Brits have women in Combat Roles, but the Brits are far less armored and equipped (over-equipped?) than the U.S. Should the U.S. reduce the armor and proscribed equipment requirements to make us a faster and more maneuverable force? Or should women be allowed to wear less armor then the men, thus making their combat load lighter for their reduced upper body physical strength? The “Big Guy” of any unit is the one humping the M-60, while the rest carry M-4s.

    Clearly a rewrite of combat protocols would have to happen. For good or for ill is good question. Security vs. speed. I know several Infantry guys who served in Afghanistan who told their Afghani counterparts to NOT armor up as much, since they would have to run after the Muhajadin because the U.S. Army guy was too weighted down.
    Take a Hit and Keep Fighting vs Don’t get Hit in the First Place…

    Oh, and Tom. You can’t sound off on this unless and until you answer the question about North Korean Government Sponsored Piracy in Chinese waters. So no stupid comments you P.O.S. Troll. You can be stupid once again, AFTER you tell us whether or not you think DPRK Piracy against Chinese Nationals is good or bad.

    (We could toss this subclause in every thread to keep Tom away!)

  • Cp. McNab Island Resort
    5:27 pm on May 24th, 2012 28

    Did you forget or anybody remember Camp McNab the Chejudo Recreation Area, a small MWR facility on Korea’s Jeju Island. Man did I have some good time back then. Fishing, hunting quail, girls, Man I love the army for the experince it gave this old country boy, thank you Army. Three years ago my wife I went to Korea with one of her friends that is from Cheju do city korea; she took us to the camp it is now a ROK army camp, funny thing we was standing out side the gate and one gate guard was confused why we was there, my friend in turn explained that I was stationed there back in the seventy’s before he was borned he just laughed.

  • Tom
    7:32 pm on May 24th, 2012 29

    LOL at MTB Rider. Is that the best you can do?

  • MTB Rider
    8:51 pm on May 24th, 2012 30

    You still haven’t answered the question, Tommy-Boy! You can’t, can you? It’s FORBIDDEN!

    Tom, everyone is totally laughing at you!

    North Korean Government Sponsored Piracy against Chinese Citizens in Chinese Waters. Good or Bad, Tommy-Boy? The committee is still discussing it, and will disseminate the Answer to the People Democtatic Troll Army. Then Tom will let us know what his Masters think, because it will become what Tom thinks!

  • Tom Langley
    9:31 pm on May 24th, 2012 31

    GI Korea, have you heard or has anyone heard whether the North Koreans opened the Ryungyong Hotel in Pyongyang? The latest that I had heard was that part of it was supposed to have opened before the centenary of KIS’s birth last month but I never heard anything so I assume that it didn’t open. The concrete of the building was substandard & the elevator shafts were not straight. The NK didn’t have the money for many years to complete the building so is was left idle. The Egyptian firm ORACOM (I think that is the correct name) made a deal with the NK to partially complete the building in return for a cellphone contract. They can only make a nuke that is a partial dud. A rocket fails to reach orbit. They can’t even complete a skyscraper. I propose if something fouls up that we say it has juched (pronounced joo chayed) up.

  • Bling Bling cities
    12:04 am on May 25th, 2012 32

    To reinforce what I said earlier, China got a lot to loose if they try to hold on to NK if the regime fall, there is nothing of tangible value over there. As long as the powers to be is deadly serious that if the kim regime falls and they the people want to come together I would think so be it from the power to be. As long as it understood before hand South and North korea will be one country and that what it will be. See the way I look at it China has a fairly new cities build in the last thirty or forty years relative new for cities in the west That’s a lot to loose for North Korea. On the other hand here in the west north America in particular has a crumbling infrastructure not much to loose here there is know new cities. may be a few new high-rise. So you do the math. China and South korea are hostage of their own sucess they got these bling bling cities and they don’t want them broken. That mean no one want to go to war for North korea.

  • MTB Rider
    2:48 am on May 25th, 2012 33

    See, there IS a reason I keep hassling Tom over the North Korean Piracy. If North Korea is going to collapse, there will be Military Commanders going rogue early and causing hate and discontent against their four neighbors: China, South Korea, Japan and Russia. China has the most invested in North Korea, and need to keep things stable. But China is limited in what they can do. China knows that the DMZ is a cul-de-sac, and that most North Koreans will flee across the Yalu River and flood the area with refugees. Might force China to spend money providing help and succor to the North Koreans, thus cutting into Tom’s stipend for living in Canada.

    Someday North Korea will collapse: it is inevitable. I think we might be looking at the first pebbles before the avalanche. And China, like Tom, is in denial. This is why I can bust his chops for days on end, and his usual sociopathy is kept under wraps to protect his lifestyle.

  • Tom
    5:03 am on May 25th, 2012 34

    MTB Rider, you’re just mad because I’m anti-US. You could care less about the plight of the North Koreans, it’s just a convenient tool for white guys who make up the majority of Korea bashers. I know you guys are laughing at the poor North Korean refugees in silence. You think I’m stupid? I don’t see why you should be focused on one person just for responding to anti-Koreans flooding Korean forums though.

  • Casanova
    5:51 am on May 25th, 2012 35

    #34, You shouldn’t ask “You think I’m stupid?” on this blog, I think the overwhelming answer is “HELL YES” from just about all readers.

  • No comment
    5:54 am on May 25th, 2012 36

  • Tom Langley
    9:55 am on May 25th, 2012 37

    I used to think all the stuff about the other Tom calling him “Bejing Betty” or whatever & saying that he was a Red Chinese plant to stir up $hi+ was just a way to get him ticked off. His refusal to condemn the Red Chinese/North Korean fishermen episode has really made me take notice. Tom, do you condemn the piracy or not, yes or no? Please don’t try to redirect to conversation with one of your anti-US or anti-white tirades, it wont work. Do you condemn the piracy or not?

  • Tom
    10:05 am on May 25th, 2012 38

    What piracy? The Chinese boats were in North Korean waters, and the North Koreans gave the Chinese a severe deserved beating and sent them on their way again back to China with a lesson learned. Incident over, and done with.

    The Chinese were especially ticked off about this because they weren’t used to the North Koreans behaving this way. Because the North Koreans are their guard dogs. The guard dog isn’t supposed to bite his master.

    Which still doesn’t excuse all the racism and xenophobia against Koreans and Asians found in this site.

  • kushibo
    12:27 pm on May 25th, 2012 39

    As I wrote here, it’s highly likely that the “piracy” involved is that of the Chinese fish pirates.

  • Dreamboat Annie
    1:49 pm on May 25th, 2012 40

    Odds are that it’s a long-running battle between North Koreans and Chinese fishermen and smugglers. We’re just hearing about it because it made the news.

  • MTB Rider
    3:48 pm on May 25th, 2012 41

    Ah, Tom. Took you such a long time, I guess the committee couldn’t make heads nor tails out of it either.

    And you STILL haven’t condemned the Piracy, but instead tried to blame it on the victims. Wow, seriously? Tom going AGAINST China… Oooh, you’re gonna get in trouble!

    You know, sometimes I wonder if you are actually the rarest of all possible birds: A North Korean expat living in Canada.

  • Tom
    9:40 am on May 26th, 2012 42

    It looks the Americans have done it again!
    They cause another brawl in China against the Chinese basketball team. America’s complex against China is so evident here. :lol:

  • Glans
    1:22 pm on May 26th, 2012 43

    Tom 38 gives a clear answer. The Chinese fishermen were wrong, and the North Korean sailors were right.

    kushibo, how does this affect your evaluation of Tom?

    I like Tom.

  • kushibo
    5:06 pm on May 26th, 2012 44

    kushibo, how does this affect your evaluation of Tom?

    Finally answering the question after days of evasion? Not much.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    11:19 pm on May 26th, 2012 45

    #42 – makes you wonder if the fans actually came to see a basketball game, or the fight that was bound to break out… :roll:

  • MTB Rider
    2:52 am on May 27th, 2012 46

    Tom was waiting on the official answer. Wonder if he will try and change it if it turns out the Chinese WERE on their side of the imaginary line in the ocean.

    I’m just wondering if this is the first few pebbles before the avalanche…

  • Tom
    7:33 am on May 27th, 2012 47

    Uhh… no wrong. I was waiting on you fools. :lol:

    PS: when is America going to pay up all the money owed to China and Japan?

  • Glans
    1:33 pm on May 27th, 2012 48

    Tom, we pay every debt on time an in full. Individuals, institutions, and governments keep buying US Treasury bills at very low interest rates, and they keep getting repaid.

  • MTB Rider
    7:34 pm on May 27th, 2012 49

    Tommy always makes that accusation. I don’t know why…
    He has to read the script as presented. His Chinese Masters accept no “ad-libbing.”

    That’s why he delayed so long on the North Korean Piracy. The script was still in committee… :lol:


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