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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on May 26th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

South Korea To Purchase US Helicopters & Harpoon Missiles

Maybe the Korean government can test fire some these missiles on the Chinese fishing boats that continue to violate Korean waters and assault & murder Coast Guard personnel:

 The United States is moving to sell eight advanced multi-purpose helicopters and 18 naval missiles to South Korea, worth nearly $1.1 billion, according to a defense agency here.

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency said it has notified Congress of possible sales to South Korea of eight MH-60R Seahawk multi-mission helicopters, along with related parts, equipment, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $1 billion.

It also informed Congress of another plan for a foreign military sale to Seoul for 18 UGM-84L Harpoon anti-ship missiles to be carried by submarines. The expected cost is $84 million.

The agency, affiliated with the Defense Department, said the possible deals come at the request of the South Korean government.  [Yonhap]

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  • Lemmy
    4:02 pm on May 26th, 2012 1

    Geez, a $4,650,000.00 test to sink a $3.56 Chinese fishing boat. Seems more practical to just ram them. If you disguise the ship as a dragon, no one would ever be the wiser and the ship would still sink. Once you do that to about 100 cHinese fishing boats, maybe word will spread of a sea monster off the western coast of Korea. Spooky Scary

    I couldn’t resist….

  • Glans
    4:42 pm on May 26th, 2012 2

    Eighteen missiles? If they’re ever needed, how long will eighteen missiles last?

  • Chaebolga
    8:37 pm on May 26th, 2012 3

    “Eighteen missiles? If they’re ever needed, how long will eighteen missiles last?”

    They are in addition to the Harpoon and Haesung missiles that Korea already has. This is just one of the standard defense acquisition procedures to buy ammunition in small yearly batches instead of a whole lot of them at one time. Korea already has hundreds of anti-ship cruise missiles and is continuing to acquire more.

    Haesung-1 missile acquisition
    1st batch (2004-2007): 30+ missiles, $70 million
    2nd batch (2006-2010): 100 missiles, $250 million

    Harpoon Block 2 acquisition (air-to-land, submarine-to-surface variant)
    1st batch (2006-2012?): 58 missiles, $130 million
    2nd batch (2012-????): 18 missiles, $84 million – current topic

    Don’t forget that these missiles come with additional purchase of spares, support and training, integration, and maintenance facilities. They are more expensive than the missiles themselves.

    Beginning in 2013 Korea will begin producing Haesung-2 supersonic cruise missiles, recognizing Haesung and Harpoon’s technical limitation. As you can read in the link above, the Harpoons are an interim solution to immediate requirements and they are most likely air and submarine variants. There are older Harpoon Block-1s which were being used before 2004, and if Haeseong and Harpoon Block 2 replace them on ships, submarines, and aircraft, they’ll be placed on mobile missile launchers as coastal defense with the army.


    ROKA coastal defense:

    An informed source said that the Haeseong II will be deployed around 2013 when the development of vertical and slant launch systems will be completed.

    Supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles are considered highly effective against aircraft carriers….The Korean Navy has U.S.-made Harpoon missiles and homegrown Haesung missiles, but they cannot reach supersonic speeds and can be shot down in flight.

    This is a Harpoon missile being equipped on an older P-3C aircraft. It’s probably Harpoon Block 1. The eight P-3Cs will undergo modernization to match the specifications of the new P-3CKs, which use the Block 2.

    무기체계(1차 해상초계기 성능개량사업) 업체선정 입찰 공고

    You guys should be happy with this sale; first it gives US defense companies more jobs and second, Korea’s defense will be improved and be less reliant on the US.

  • Brian
    7:27 am on May 27th, 2012 4

    Does anyone has info on long range radar developed by LG?

  • Chaebolga
    8:24 am on May 27th, 2012 5

    The long range radar in question is developed by LIG Nex1. The company was renamed from LG Innotek when it split from LG some years ago. The LIG Nex1 website showcases its radar systems on the company brochure, but the information pertaining to them are not very detailed. What’s clear though is that it’s not the same radar as the TPS-830K short range radar and the FPS-303K medium range radar (hence why it’s a ‘long range radar’).

  • Glans
    1:44 pm on May 27th, 2012 6

    I support this sale, and I believe Tom does, too.

  • Brian
    3:48 pm on May 27th, 2012 7

    I’ve raised the question based on this article:

  • Chaebolga
    8:27 pm on May 27th, 2012 8

    I won’t rely on that site too much. It’s quite notorious for liberally spreading too many unconfirmed reports which some time later get proven entirely wrong, or never get proven at all. You can see that, for example, its ‘reporters’ and sources are completely anonymous so as to protect them from any possible backlash in response to their poor journalism.

    This article is a lot more detailed, and it properly cites official sources to support its information. The writer’s identity and contact can be found in the Korean version (click on the Korean Text icon).

    Here, this paragraph distinguishes the long range radar from the medium range radars.
    “In a separate note, LIG Nex1 joined the development of mid-range radar (100 to 200 kilometers) for naval ships by the Korean Agency for Defense Development in 2006, which is in the final stage, and is also developing mid-range radar for the South Korean Air Force. LIG Nex1 will deliver self-made mid-range radars in three to four years. ”

    The new radar’s development with potential missile-searching capability is likely why ROKAF is upgrading the software of its Patriots and Hawks to better integrate with the missile defense command, and domestically. Since the radar is domestic, it’s in ROKAF’s information security interest to deter potential technology leaks of the software and associated equipment.

    In addition to the PAC-3 Configuration 3 and Hawk, Korea is upgrading KM-SAM to KM-SAM PIP with hit-to-kill mode to intercept ballistic missiles. At the last part of the video you can already observe hit to kill.

    More information can be found on KBS on Korea’s missile defense; the Patriot, KM-SAM (Iron Hawk-II), and MCRC upgrades are mentioned, as well as other missile EW assets. At the last part L-SAM (long range-SAM) is introduced which is intended to complement the mid-range interceptors.

    Patriot Missiles in South Korea
    The North Korean missile threat against the South continuously grows. The North is reinforcing all types of its short, medium and long range missiles. It has steadily developed and deployed the KN-01 and KN-02 whose maximum range reaches 160km as well as short range missiles, the Scud (300~500km), the Rodong(1,000km) and the Taepodong 2(4,300~6,000km). South Korea does have a missile defense system in place. It has established the Air and Missile Defense-Cell (AMD-Cell) against the North Korean missile threat and has deployed interceptor missiles. Seoul has brought in 48 PAC-2 missiles as of last year and has improved the capability of the Iron Hawk-II mid-range surface-to-air guided missiles as antiballistic missiles. The Navy can also detect and intercept missile attacks through its Aegis ships and the Air Force has also introduced the first airborne early warning and control aircraft, the Peace-Eye, to put the entire Korean Peninsula under its surveillance. The early warning and interceptor systems of the three militaries are all interconnected for information sharing and for the effective launch of their missile defense system.

    Korean Version of Patriot
    Preliminary studies on the missile project will be concluded by the year’s end and a basic plan will be drafted next year for full-fledged development of the missile from 2013. This plan to develop long-range surface-to-air missiles (L-SAMs) will cost a total W970 billion. The immediate plan is to produce about ten missiles. The L-SAM was designed for intercepting North Korean ballistic missiles that travel in altitudes above 60 kilometers. This is quadruple the range of the PAC-2 and Iron Hawk-II currently in use by the South Korean military. It’s also more than double the range of the PAC-3 deployed by the U.S. Army. A source says the L-SAM will be able to target ballistic missiles four times better than the Iron Hawk-II. Interception accuracy will be higher while L-SAM will take a similar time as the Iron Hawk-II, eight to ten seconds, to shoot down a missile. The military plans to use the L-SAM in high altitude area defense and the existing PAC-2 and the Iron Hawk-II in mid-range (15㎞) interception to eventually complete a three-tier missile defense system.

    At the ‘Patriot Missile’ section you can see the impact that hit-to-kill ability has on missile interception success rate compared to proximity fragmentation. That is why hit-to-kill ability of Korea’s next-generation missiles are important. To achieve this, improved radars and other tracking devices are needed. Additionally, PAC-3 is guided semi-actively, while Korean missiles have an active microwave seeker to make a double-redundant targeting system to double the chance of nullifying ballistic missiles’ countermeasures compared to Patriots. Equipping them with electro-optics will provide them with another surveillance layer to make a triple-redundant targeting system.

  • Chaebolga
    8:42 pm on May 27th, 2012 9

    By the way, the unwillingness to join the US missile defense is the primary impetus for Korea to invest much in domestic research and development of missile defense systems. As have been said in one of the above articles, the Patriots and Hawks will be upgraded without active US participation in the development of software, and the KM-SAM and L-SAM are being developed entirely free of US technical assistance. Remember that both the right-wing and left-wing parties of the government have unusual unanimity in this matter; they don’t want to be seen as relying on US capabilities against North Korea’s and, potentially, China’s missile threats. Another important keynote progress in relation to this is the successful launch of the domestic Arirang-3 spy satellite a few days ago that has both SAR and other high-resolution surveillance optics. This will enable the ROK intelligence agencies to conduct espionage for national security outside the bounds of US alliance.

  • Chaebolga
    8:44 pm on May 27th, 2012 10

    wait for post #8 to be seen (the one before the current post #8), Brian.

  • Chaebolga
    9:04 pm on May 27th, 2012 11

    Some correction on post #9; Arirang-3 doesn’t yet have a synthetic aperture radar, it only has a hi-res multispectral camera. The SAR will be launched aboard the Arirang-5 later this year. If Arirang-2 is still operational and Arirang-5 launch takes place successfully, it will triple Korea’s space-surveillance assets from one to three satellites in 2012.

    The secure communication channel between the satellites, ground radars, EW aircraft, and ships for missile defense and other defense activities is provided by the Mugunghwa series of comsats. They are part of the domestic ANASIS C4I system.

  • Seoul Guy
    3:50 am on May 28th, 2012 12

    Prez MB Lee’s retirement fund: commission from the transaction?

  • Chaebolga
    3:41 am on May 31st, 2012 13

    The Korean military appears to be massively ramping up the capability and composition of its helicopter forces to replace the US forces’ withdrawal of helicopters. It will choose the winner for its 50 attack helicopters (AH-X) by October.|head

    Separately, Korea has began the development of KAH (Korean Attack Helicopter) and ASW Surion, and commenced mass-production of Surion utility variant. The number of helicopters to be built or procured in the next ten years are 274 KAH, 270 utility Surion, 50 AH-X, 8 MH-X, and another 30 Surions for ASW. In the meantime, it will maintain its current fleet of around 150 Blackhawks and 70 Cobras, and a few other relatively modern helicopters (Chinook, Bo-105, KA-27, Cougar, Super Lynx, TOW MD500). The Korean military helicopter fleet is expected to reach a numerical strength of around 900 aircraft in total.

  • Chaebolga
    5:19 am on May 31st, 2012 14

    Update on space assets; aside from Arirang-3 recon satellite launched last last week, Korea has two com satellites and the Arirang-2 in orbit. Next year the Arirang-3A (the improved variant of Arirang-3) and Arirang-5 recon satellites will be launched. It will boost Korea’s operational space military assets to six satellites.

    ROKAF has also recently inducted its third AEW&C plane, and will induct another one more in a few months. It will also get two Dassault Falcon ELINT/SIGINT planes (but with South Korean equipments) in two years. In total ROKAF, ROKN, and ROKCG will have around forty ‘heavy’ planes for strategic aerial surveillance, excluding recce-fighter models such as RF-4C, RF-16, KO-1, RA-50, and UAVs and helicopters.

    “Seoul’s acquisition of the Falcon aircraft is consistent with ongoing efforts to reduce long-standing dependence on US-controlled assets for signals and image intelligence (SIGINT/IMINT).”

    The ROKA will put up a surveillance aerostat balloon with advanced AESA radar to watch over the North. They will use the same equipment used by US government agencies for border security.

    As a side note, ROKA it will also vastly reinforce its UAV assets, with one key condition: the US government actually permits Korea to do it. The technical potential of Korean UAVs with the current US-imposed restrictions is substantially limited (for comparison, the Reaper drone has more than 1500kg of payload capacity, while Korean UAVs are restricted to less than 500kg). There are already multiple threads in Rokdrop about this.

    Every one of these decisions to acquire advanced weapons are to reduce dependence on US capabilities, so from the standpoint of view of Americans, such decision-makings should continue to be encouraged. It serves as an unignorable evidence that Koreans aspire for robust independent capability in defense, and for Americans with genuine concern for their economy and military interest this would come as a very welcome news.

  • Chaebolga
    4:54 am on June 5th, 2012 15

    The news is out… ROKMC will take possession of 32 amphib assault helicopters out of 40 earmarked for such operations. They will be of the Surion model. Additionally, Korea will be deploying four more 6000-7000 ton LPDs in the next four years to further support amphibious operations from which to operate the new helicopters.

    ROKMC may also receive amphibious assault ‘attack’ helicopters when KAH is fully developed and there occurs a surplus of attack helicopters for the army and the navy. They will all be part of the overhauled inventory of helicopters that I have outlined above.


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