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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on August 1st, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Picture of the Day: Olympic Sit In

And Shin A Lam, now in tears, refused to live the piste (the platform that they fence on). In fencing, leaving the piste means that you have officially accepted the judges’ ruling. And seeing as the clock didn’t start, and she should still have a shot at gold, she sat down. It’s the filibuster of fencing.

Via Buzz Feed.

By the way the Marmot’s Hole has the Playboy pics of the German that defeated here.

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  • Jack
    1:58 pm on August 1st, 2012 1

    Wrong.

    It was not a sit-in. If you have read and understood the caption, she could not leave the piste during the coach’s protest. She was following rules, not breaking them by staging a “sit in” protest.

  • DMZDave
    3:51 pm on August 1st, 2012 2

    She was indeed following the rules and not protesting. Her histrionics, however, were a little over the top. Frankly it would not be an Olympics if there weren’t at least one Korean athlete sitting down and angrily refusing to accept the determination of an official. “Gracious in defeat” is a phrase that is rarely used to describe a Korean athlete.

  • tbonetylr
    3:56 pm on August 1st, 2012 3

    Not wrong, she continued to “sit in” after the protest or appeal decision and had to be removed. The reports are inconsistent however, I’ve read the process took 30 minutes and she stayed 75…and in another ‘Guardian’ report the appeal/decision process took 60 minutes.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/korean-fencer-forced-remain-piste-while-waiting-incredibly-191228265–oly.html
    “Shin bawled uncontrollably for the first 10-15 minutes, often shading her head in a towel while occasionally looking out to the crowd before rubbing her eyes again.”

  • kangaji
    4:20 pm on August 1st, 2012 4

    And if things had happened my way:
    “After the Koreans had to pay for an appeal and after hearing the appeal, Shin threw down her helmet, yelled ‘this is some BS’ and proceeded to shank the judge multiple times. The stadium errupted in
    applause as the judge curled up in the fetal position while Shin kicked
    his stomach wounds multiple times.”

  • tbonetylr
    4:23 pm on August 1st, 2012 5

    #4,
    Typical Korean reaction I suppose :roll: :roll: :roll:

  • Tom
    4:50 pm on August 1st, 2012 6

    Bunch of whites are always the judges, they also make up all the rules, the sports, the refereeing, and regulations. It’s no surprise really all the bad calls against Korea come when the Korean teams are away as visitors. We’ll see about that come the next next winter Olympics at Pyongchang. We’ll just fix it so that this balances out next time. Why not? Two can play that game. Let’s see if you guys will be calm after these things happen to you guys. :lol:

  • minober
    5:16 pm on August 1st, 2012 7

    What was really bad was that the extra time clock did elapse and for some reason the referee had another second put back on. It was during this “un-ending second that the point in question was scored.

  • Casanova
    5:30 pm on August 1st, 2012 8

    If the point had been scored in favor of the Korean she would have accepted the victory, get over it.

  • minober
    5:41 pm on August 1st, 2012 9

    “In the event of a tie in both the Individual and Team competitions, athletes fence for a further one minute, with one of the athletes randomly assigned ‘priority’. The first to score a hit is the winner, but if no hits are made during this time, the ‘priority’ athlete wins the bout”

    I bet Shin A Lam was assigned “priority” and had that second elapsed she would have won. Any takers?

  • kushibo
    5:41 pm on August 1st, 2012 10

    Casanova, I haven’t been following this, but my understanding is that if the point had been scored in favor of the Korean it would have had no effect on the ultimate outcome had the clock not malfunctioned.

  • Tom
    5:54 pm on August 1st, 2012 11

    I’ll tell you what would have happened if the Korean was the one who scored a winning point with the never ending one second, and the German the victim.

    The judges would have correctly ruled that the clock was wrong and they would have given the victory to the German. And everyone would agree that it’s only fair the judges correct the bad result. There would have been no controversy and the Korean would go home with no complaints.

    Everyone here will indignantly shout cheating rotten Koreans for trying to cheat the system and cheat the German group but failed.

    I don’t have to guess too hard what would have happened.

  • Tom
    5:57 pm on August 1st, 2012 12

    The clock didn’t malfuction. They just didn’t bother to punch the clock. There’s still one second remaining, yet they declare the German the winner. :lol:

    What travesty, these white judges controlling the white man’s sports.

  • minober
    6:02 pm on August 1st, 2012 13

    If the point had been scored by the Korean it would have made a difference. The Korean would have been declared the winner.

    This was an awesome contest. Every match was won by someone scoring 15, or at least one or both scoring more than 10. This one went full time tied at 5. Both athletes were worn and exhausted and the sweat you saw when they pulled off their face guards showed it.

    If as I assume during overtime Shin A Lam was assigned priority, especially during the final second(s), she was not trying to score. She was defending. That is why the match closed with the series of Hail Mary lunges that finally scored a hit for Heidemann.

    IMHO she was indeed robbed.

  • guitard
    6:14 pm on August 1st, 2012 14

    Tom wrote:

    It’s no surprise really all the bad calls against Korea come when the Korean teams are away as visitors. We’ll see about that come the next next winter Olympics at Pyongchang. We’ll just fix it so that this balances out next time.

    Stop saying “we’ll” because you are not part of the “we” in this matter. The Koreans won’t need any help from Tom the Canadian 왕따. They are perfectly capable of rigging the results without the assistance of a Canadian.

  • tbonetylr
    6:22 pm on August 1st, 2012 15

    #6,
    “Bunch of whites are always the judges, they also make up all the rules, the sports, the refereeing, and regulations.”

    Koreans do seem to have a thing for white, like you, they see it everywhere and paint their faces that color too. When you see a white face maybe that person is really a Korean wearing white face, or you should get your eyes checked. :cool:

    Shin, A-Lam is ugly when she bawls.

  • Teadrinker
    6:24 pm on August 1st, 2012 16

    What’s strange to me is that they won’t reveal the infraction she supposedly committed for which the clock was reset. In any case, their offer to her of a “special consolation prize” consists an admission that something wasn’t kosher.

    #6,

    So, you want them to return their medals?

    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/culturesports/2012/08/02/56/0702000000AEN20120802001200315F.HTML

    PS. Too young to remember the 1988 games or 2002 World Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Moreno)

    #12,

    You sound like this really racist Afrikaan lady I knew. She’d go on rants about “the black man”.

    The judge was a woman and so were the competitors.

  • Teadrinker
    6:40 pm on August 1st, 2012 17

    ” They are perfectly capable of rigging the results without the assistance of a Canadian.”

    Shhh, you’re going to spoil my plans for world domination. First, I convince the chaebol owners to hire me and an intermediary between them and the different sports organizations. Then, I skim the bribes, which I use to build the Death Star. [insert emoticon for a maniacal laugh]

  • Teadrinker
    6:41 pm on August 1st, 2012 18

    as an intermediary, of course. Don’t know how an “and” ended up there.

  • tbonetylr
    7:06 pm on August 1st, 2012 19

    # 1,
    Here is a video(s) viewable in Korea and step by step pics of Shin, A-Lam…
    An Olympic Fencer Refuses To Leave The Floor(True Dat) After Getting Screwed
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/an-olympic-fencer-refuses-to-leave-the-floor-after

  • Chris In Dallas
    7:24 pm on August 1st, 2012 20

    I don’t know squat about the rules of fencing, but this just feels wrong. Now, if Ms. Shin was a figure skater who can in theory put in a “not the best” Olympic performance and still gain fame and fortune as a pro or a gymnast who can also not get a gold medal and possibly rake in endorsement money, I’d tend to not be very sympathetic. But this is fencing. Olympic success is pretty much the end of the road for them. So Hell yeah she should hold out on this!

  • Tom
    7:33 pm on August 1st, 2012 21

    #16, ESL losers still bringing up the 2002 WC, with unsubstantiated charges of match fix. Even the FIFA investigated and they found zip, teaman. Byron Moreno was the ref in the Italy game, he was convicted of drug pushing, but how does that prove the 2002 WC was fixed? Let’s say it was fixed for argument’s sake. Maybe that was in retaliation for 2002 Salt Lake Olympics short track fiasco, to balance it out. You see the pattern? Every ripoffs against Koreans happened abroad, but not in Korea.

    In 1984 summer games, 2002 winter games, 2004 summer games again (Korean gymnast guy ripped off the gold medal which he rightfully won). And then here is 2012:

    2 gold medals taken away by the judges in two different venues, one swimmer disqualified/reinstated and effecting his potential gold medal performance, South Korean flag flying for North Korea and the dumb English press throwing ill mannered questions at South Korean soccer team about the dumb mixup which they the British made, then followed by Swiss soccer player making racist comments against Koreans.
    Add insult to injury, they kick out 4 Korean badminton players for match fixing, but the Japanese soccer team do the same and even admit it, but are given no punishment. Oh my god, SK must be the most unlucky country in the tournament by design, as long as they don’t play at home. :lol:

    Which all leads to my point. We’re going to get home advantage soon… hey listen, everyone screwed us when we were in everyone else’s ball park, well.. karma is b*tch come game time in 2018. It’s only fair home advantage should be able to balance out all the bad lucks. After all, you can’t just have a string of bad lucks with a good luck in betweens right? :lol:

  • guitard
    7:46 pm on August 1st, 2012 22

    Tom Wrote:

    We’re going to get home advantage soon… hey listen, everyone screwed us when we were in everyone else’s ball park, well.. karma is b*tch come game time in 2018.

    We’re going to get home advantage soon?

    No – Canada Tom – the Winter Games are not in Canada in 2018.

  • Tom
    7:47 pm on August 1st, 2012 23

    “Not wrong, she continued to “sit in” after the protest or appeal decision and had to be removed.”

    Don’t give me that bull. She waited for the appeal decision, and as that video you posted in your last post, they came and told her what the final decision was, and they escorted her out of there. That only took about a minute or two. She did everything right. But I’m not surprised your defending that cheating German who jumped up and down with joy as if she won that fight fairly. Deep in her heart she knows it, instead of being sorry, she’s proud of her behavior as if she deserved it. There’s even the facebook page of that the Austrian fencing judge with all her friends from the German players and the top head of the German fencing organization. :lol: This is what we call European crony capitalism in sports. :lol:

  • Tom
    7:49 pm on August 1st, 2012 24

    Guitar, I’m Chinese Beijing Betty, remember?

  • Casanova
    8:24 pm on August 1st, 2012 25

    She should take a page out of the Manny Pacquiao book of losing with class.

  • Flyingsword
    9:13 pm on August 1st, 2012 26

    Wasn’t the ’88 Olympics the Koreans fixed the boxing match? US boxer beat the Korean boxer like a baby seal, but judges gave the match to the Korean boxer, later determined bribe money involved…shocking that bribery occurs in Korea; I know.

  • someotherguy
    9:25 pm on August 1st, 2012 27

    She was robbed by a paid off judge, similar to many of the other events.

    The timer should of expired and she announced the winner, instead the clock “malfunctioned” (complete BS, someone had to of paused it deliberately) and the other person took that time to score a point.

    I’m all for fair sports but buying of judges favor is getting obscene now. Their not even trying to hide it anymore.

  • Teadrinker
    10:51 pm on August 1st, 2012 28

    #21,

    FIFA has admitted that Byron Moreno made terrible mistakes during that match. He was later suspended for fixing other matches.

    As for bringing up soccer…Badminton and soccer are not the same sports, and so they have different governing bodies, rules, and penalties. What’s acceptable in one sport isn’t in another.

  • Juls
    11:58 pm on August 1st, 2012 29

    I really feel bad for her but that is the fencing rules. i admire her because she didn’t give up and did her best. It is just sad that she still lost and had to face such a low moment. Cheers.

  • Denny
    3:17 am on August 2nd, 2012 30

    London has a permanent black eye from the error ridden Olympics. They should never have been awarded the Games.

  • JoeC
    3:27 am on August 2nd, 2012 31

    #30

    The host country will often have almost no control of the judging of events. The times when it is tied to the host country is when it is found they have very permissive environment for bribery and payoffs to officials.

    Are you suggesting that that type of corruption that occurred in certain countries in the past is also inherent in England?

  • JoeC
    3:33 am on August 2nd, 2012 32

    As far as this fencer, I can’t really empathize with the amount of distress she displays.

    But THIS is what I can empathize with as the true agony of competition. :shock:

  • Denny
    3:58 am on August 2nd, 2012 33

    #31, it wasn’t an error from the officials, it was an error from the timekeeper, who was a local worker from London. There have been many other mistakes by local London workers, such as displaying wrong flags and buses breaking down, leaving athletes stranded. The London games and the riots of 2011 shows how incompetent workers are and what a miserable city London has become.

  • Tom
    4:13 am on August 2nd, 2012 34

    The timekeeper made the error, the Austrian official still had the chance to correct the mistake but chose not to, because her friends were the German team. Her facebook page proves it.

    And remember Denny, it wasn’t even a week ago when people here were complaining about the security breakdown by a company that London mis-hired? But my.. how quickly people forget. If this type of game was presented by Korea, how many people here would be saying how incompetent Korea is, what kind of a laughing stock Korea has become to the world, and that it should never have been awarded with the games.

  • apocket fullofflightline
    4:48 am on August 2nd, 2012 35

    A Korean complaining about corruption?!

    How ironic, they’re even more corrupt than the Chinese!

    I see no reason why someone can’t bring up something that happened in past Tom, Koreans are famous for it, especially when it benefits Koreans in some way.

    Typically hypocritical of Koreans, they can do it to everyone else, but no one can do it to them.

    Simple fact of the matter is, you aren’t even a real Korean Tom, like Kushibo, you pretend to be one.

    I know this is hard for Koreans to accept, but they are laughing stocks because of what they did to themselves, no one else is to blame. Try not to post death threats and pictures of judge’s houses on-line. One can’t expect a big group of middle school kids to act any different though.

  • Tom
    5:26 am on August 2nd, 2012 36

    :lol: American complaining about corruption when in fact it’s their own corruption that is bringing down their own economy. Bribes? Americans when it comes to dollar terms, can’t even be matched in human history. :lol: If we go by total dollars, America is the most corrupt place on earth!

  • Stephen
    6:16 am on August 2nd, 2012 37

    Read it and weep Tom. BTW, the survey in Korea is conducted by Koreans. Not all Koreans are corrupt, but Korea is 11 places below Botswana.

    http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/

  • Tom
    6:28 am on August 2nd, 2012 38

    Read your own survey Stephen. It’s called “corruption perception” survey.
    Do you know what that is Stephen? It’s what people in each country “feel” how much corruption there is in each of their own countries. If Americans (after all that ripping off that their own government has done to them), doesn’t feel the corruption, it doesn’t mean the corruption didn’t happen. It just only means you are dupes. That study is the same thing with the “happiness index”. So someone in Nepal is happier than Korea, doesn’t mean Nepal is a richer country, it only just means the standards of happiness are different. In other words in plain English, you cannot quantify corruption or happiness, idjiot. :lol:

  • Stephen
    6:54 am on August 2nd, 2012 39

    The corruption is quantified Tom. The survey asks questions like: How often have local government officials asked you for a bribe this year, to process your real estate development application?

    When I worked in Botswana, I replied: Never been asked.

    Working in Korea: They asked my Korean business partner yesterday, and 2 weeks ago, and two months before that … it all adds up.

    You skipped Statistics 101, as well as, Logic 101 in your Canadian College course?

  • Tom
    7:47 am on August 2nd, 2012 40

    Look at the questions Stephen. How often bribes were asked to process your real estate development application. But where’s the questions that ask how much bribes has Wall Street people gave the Washington politicians, or how much money was given to US ratings agencies, or how much money Washington used to enrich themselves with bonuses and thieving of tax payer money to use for falsely started wars in foreign countries, or how much were you ripped off with false investment savings plans like Madoff plans were cooked up by US banks, etc etc etc. Real estate development application? Puhleese. :lol:

  • Stephen
    7:55 am on August 2nd, 2012 41

    The USD 4 billion dollar real estate application called 사대강.

    Please yourself.

    BTW make sure you vote for 안철수, tp help end (or at least reduce) corruption in Korea.

  • Teadrinker
    7:59 am on August 2nd, 2012 42

    You guys realize you’re arguing over fencing, right?

  • Stephen
    8:03 am on August 2nd, 2012 43

    We’re fencing over fencing.

  • Kingkitty
    9:05 pm on August 2nd, 2012 44

    Ohhh Tom you are quite the damaged good are you not?

  • Orbit
    2:55 pm on August 3rd, 2012 45

    I heard they let some 16 year old noob kid as clock watcher. lol

  • Stephen
    6:25 pm on August 7th, 2012 46

    Brick by brick recreation of the event.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/jul/31/brick-womens-fencing-shin-lam-video?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3486

 

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