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Election 2012 Open Thread

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With the election race finally over, here is an Open Thread for everyone to sound off about what they thought about the results from last night’s election.

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  • Elmer
    9:20 am on November 7th, 2012 1

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”

  • Elmer
    9:36 am on November 7th, 2012 2

    “More than half of the US population – 165 million of 308 million Americans – is now dependent on the state in some form. Of these, 107 million Americans rely on government welfare, 46 million seniors collect Medicare and there are 22 million government employees.”

    “The problem with socailism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money [to spend].” – Margaret Thatcher

  • Setnaffa
    11:18 am on November 7th, 2012 3

    As H.L. Mencken observed: “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”

  • JoeC
    4:00 pm on November 7th, 2012 4

    The best post-election analysis and summary I’ve found so far is THIS. Besides all the valid points it makes about what happened in this election, it hints to problems the Republican Party will have going forward, which lie mainly in demographics.

    * That women turned away from the Republicans by 10 percent or more can be largely attributed to troglodyte comments out of a scary fringe of the Party.

    * 70 to 75 percent of Hispanics rejected them. Since that is the fastest growing demographic, Republicans will have to find a way to turn that around.

    * More people in the 18 to 30 age group turned out to vote in this election than did in the 2008 election and 60 percent of them went Democrat! So,the old assumptions about youth apathy are going to have to change.

    When you look at the demographics the Republican Party has consistently been attracting and apparently pitching too, it has been older white males. Which, not coincidentally, are the exact exclusion set of the three groups identified above that turned away from them.

    Here is something else I look at — that infamous post-election red-blue map. What does that really say about the country? Does it tell us where the Democrats and the Republicans are? Or, where the conservatives and liberals are? The answers are “Yes”, “No” and “It’s not that simple.”

    I’ll just comment on the northeast, since that is the part that I am most familiar with. There are people who consider themselves to be Republicans in the northeast. They would even call themselves conservatives. But, they are not the same types of conservatives as the people who call themselves conservatives in the red swath across the Midwest and South. Northeast conservatism is largely about fiscal conservatism but also mostly a rejection of the religious based social conservatism that is prominent in the so called Red states we see on the map. This is probably also true in other areas of the country. So, as socially moderate conservatives are squeezed out of the party by primary election challenges from uncompromising religious social conservatives you will see more New England type Independent candidates winning elections and hardcore socially conservative Republicans losing elections as our demographics continue to change and they continue to alienate women, minorities and young people.

  • Chris In Dallas
    4:22 pm on November 7th, 2012 5

    So the majority of Americans voted for a proven incompetent who exhorts people to vote for revenge and to “punish their enemies”? That’s it, I’m done…

  • Sonagi
    4:31 pm on November 7th, 2012 6

    The top 25 countries with the highest per capita incomes all belong to one of the following categories:

    Vast oil reserves
    Offshore banking
    City-state
    Established, stable democracy with diversified economy

    Democracy bashers, take note.

  • Tom
    4:46 pm on November 7th, 2012 7

    “That’s it, I’m done…”

    I think there’s a white guy who just shot himself dead. :lol: :lol:

  • BBBBBBBBBBell
    4:58 pm on November 7th, 2012 8

    When are people going to realize that the problem is not who is President, the problem is the design itself needs to be changed. We are now a country that bases it’s votes on fear. FOX News makes us afraid of the left. MSNBC makes us afraid of the right…and from some of the comments on here, it seems to be working. Who is going to be our unifier? Who is finally going to figure out that the reason stations like the two I mention only exist for ad revenue and particular individuals’ furthering of a cause? Are we all complete suckers? It seems that way.
    Romney did not lose the election…the Republicans did. As long as the Republican party allows people to make idiotic comments about rape, and have individuals like Trump representing your cause, you will NEVER win. If someone had the intestinal fortitude to tell these individuals to STFU it would have helped.
    Just for some giggles… http://imgur.com/gallery/6i8Yg

  • Thomas
    5:00 pm on November 7th, 2012 9

    The United States of America is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. Major difference there.

  • Thomas
    5:03 pm on November 7th, 2012 10

    Also, #2 do you have sources for those claims?

  • Thomas
    5:07 pm on November 7th, 2012 11

    http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/18/who-receives-benefits-from-the-federal-government-in-six-charts/

    Yeah…people receiving benefits are the people who actually need them. That’s why the US government has these programs. You know, to help those that need the help.

  • warrior6
    5:14 pm on November 7th, 2012 12

    GO OBAMA! “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
    Revelation, 21. 4

  • JoeC
    5:25 pm on November 7th, 2012 13

    When you look at the Romney campaign you recognize that he would never have survived the Primaries if he didn’t have to pretend to be something he was not. But then, for the General election, he had to somehow morph from a wolf back into a sheep, while the whole country was watching.

    What’s very surprising, especially highlighted by his turn around of positions in the last debate, was that he almost pulled it off.

  • Thomas
    5:46 pm on November 7th, 2012 14

    #12,

    What does that comment/verse have to do with anything? Serious question here.

  • Thomas
    5:52 pm on November 7th, 2012 15

    #13

    He would have won the primary…just not by as much. The GOP leadership felt the need to show the base hisfeelings on certain points in the primaries. Most of the time when a candidate platforms in a pprimary, that position never comes up in the general election.

    This cycle it was a build up of house/senate/state officials making absurd statements that ultimately got tied back to Romney.

    The GOP needs to hit the reset button on all the extreme policies they push, and the majority of voters do not agree with.

  • tbonetylr
    6:42 pm on November 7th, 2012 16

    # 5,
    Nonsense :roll:

  • Chris In Dallas
    7:05 pm on November 7th, 2012 17

    16 Which part is nonsense? Me being fed up, Obama being incompetent or that Obama said those things? I assure you I am quite done and Obama most definitely said those things. I suppose my take on Barry’s performance is opinion, but One would have to be very generous or a partisan hack to think he’s done well.

  • G.I. G.I. Joe
    7:45 pm on November 7th, 2012 18

    Sonagi, #6: “The top 25 countries with the highest per capita incomes all belong to one of the following categories:
    Vast oil reserves
    Offshore banking
    City-state
    Established, stable democracy with diversified economy
    Democracy bashers, take note.

    Sonagi, the list can be simplified more: democratic countries with strong, equitable courts that enforce those strong, equitable laws.

    The conclusion of a thorough study I read some time ago was that corruption or lack thereof determined the quality of life, which is often measured by PPP, of a country.

    Looking at three (“Offshore banking, City-state, Established, stable democracy with diversified economy”) out of four items on your list, you will see that the countries that fit those descriptions have strong systems of equitable courts that enforce the countries’ equitable laws.

  • BBBBBBBBBBell
    7:48 pm on November 7th, 2012 19

    #17: It’s nonsense because you took one soundbite to make an overall general statement. People could go back and forth all day with that sort of crap. Shall I start with some Romney soundbites now? *cough cough “47%”, *cough cough “windows that open in airplanes”. Shall I continue? Do you see how it works for both sides yet accomplishes nothing?

  • G.I. G.I. Joe
    7:49 pm on November 7th, 2012 20

    Thomas, #9: “The United States of America is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. Major difference there.”
    In colloquial discussion, only to a pedant.

  • Orbit
    8:12 pm on November 7th, 2012 21

    Like I said before Obama is lesser of two evil. Rommney is a greedy mormon zealot.

  • Denny
    8:36 pm on November 7th, 2012 22

    George H. Bush’s obsession with Iraq brought us 8 years of Clinton.

    George W. Bush’s obsession with Iraq brought us 8 years of Obama.

    History repeats itself.

  • tbonetylr
    8:50 pm on November 7th, 2012 23

    #17,
    “Which part is nonsense? Me being fed up, Obama being incompetent or that Obama said those things?”

    Obama said those things – “exhorts people to vote for revenge and to “punish their enemies”

    Show us links please :???:

    And Obama is a “proven incompetent”

    Mitt the twit couldn’t even win an election, he’s the “proven incompetent.”

    Whatever Obama didn’t do certainly wasn’t as bad as what Bush did do. And you sure do have a narrow mind if you think Obama is the only person to blame. What about yourself, what did you do?

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:58 pm on November 7th, 2012 24

    For the sake of argument let’s say Obama is a Muslim (obviously not a very good Muslim but a Muslim nonetheless). Christians would have much more in common with his religion than they would with Magic Mitt’s Mormons. It’s just that the average Christian is not only ignorant of their own religion but also of Islam and Mormonism. Add in a little racism and that’s all you need. :lol:

  • tbonetylr
    9:20 pm on November 7th, 2012 25

    The republicans mostly only convince hillbillies, red-necks, or country folk that they’re better. In fact they somehow convince them to vote against their own interest. Obama dominated the big city/county and more educated vote. Check out America’s most stupid and racist or should I say republicans…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdfU7CetRKU

    Obama:
    “But that doesn’t mean your work is done. The role of citizen in our democracy does not end with your vote. America’s never been about what can be done for us. It’s about what can be done by us together through the hard and frustrating, but necessary work of self-government. That’s the principle we were founded on.”

  • Teadrinker
    9:33 pm on November 7th, 2012 26

    #4,

    Been watching Fox News? The Republican party’s ideology sucks. It’s that simple.

  • Teadrinker
    9:34 pm on November 7th, 2012 27

    #25,

    Bingo!

  • Teadrinker
    9:51 pm on November 7th, 2012 28

    #2,

    You’re misquoting Thatcher, taking the quote of out context, and she was responsible for rampant unemployment.

    http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=102953

  • Elmer
    11:55 pm on November 7th, 2012 29

    Teadrinker has been getting some flack here recently. I guess it is my turn.

    1) It is not a misquote, it is an aphorism. This is a common linguistic method of making quoted wisdom more concise and memorable, though most are unaware of the frequency at which it occurs.

    2) It is entirely in context and in keeping with her political and fiscal beliefs. Had you read the entire interview of the link you provided, you would recognize that.

    3) Margaret Thatcher was responsible for high unemployment, low inflation and a number of good and bad issues, none of which affect the validity of her statements on socailism.

    If you wish to argue with everyone about everything, you might consider the strength of your position and you might consider that debate tactics that worked on the playground don’t work on anyone with formal education.

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:00 am on November 8th, 2012 30

    29. SNAP!

  • Teadrinker
    12:14 am on November 8th, 2012 31

    #29,

    It was a misquote and it was taken out of context. Had it been an aphorism, the original message would not have been lost. Read the interview.

  • Teadrinker
    12:18 am on November 8th, 2012 32

    Need I remind you of this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_strike_%281984%E2%80%931985%29

  • Teadrinker
    12:35 am on November 8th, 2012 33

    Why don’t you tell us how Obama’s have in common with post WW2 nationalisation in the UK?

  • Teadrinker
    12:36 am on November 8th, 2012 34

    Damned cell phone. What not how.

  • Teadrinker
    12:37 am on November 8th, 2012 35

    Obama’s policies, that is…I hate my phone.

  • Elmer
    12:46 am on November 8th, 2012 36

    “Sociallist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money.”

    “The problem with sociallism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money [to spend].”

    And the great difference in meaning is?

    It was perfectly in context as her views expressed in the entire interview repeatedly reflect this thought.

    What exactly is your problem? Are you an argumentative child?

  • Teadrinker
    1:12 am on November 8th, 2012 37

    You’re missing the point that the comments were made shortly after she was elected as head of her party, years before she was elected Prime Minister. She was attacking the Labour party for the nationalisation of British industries in post WW2 UK, which is quite ironic, and maybe even hypocritical of her, since the Conservatives had a hand to play in that.

    So, once more, tell me what does the nationalisation of British industries (and the denationalisation of them in the early 80s) have to do with the current American president’s policies?

  • Teadrinker
    1:14 am on November 8th, 2012 38

    Quit dancing around the question and answer it instead of making personal attacks.

  • kushibo
    1:35 am on November 8th, 2012 39

    You know how there are some couples that are pregnant but they don’t want to know the sex of the baby until he/she is born?

    Well, I’ve been deliberately ignoring all the media coverage of the election since Monday, so I can be surprised on January 20 when the Inauguration happens. No spoilers, please.

    Chris in Dallas wrote:

    So the majority of Americans voted for a proven incompetent who exhorts people to vote for revenge and to “punish their enemies”? That’s it, I’m done…

    Going off on that just reveals a lack of a classic education: The “best revenge” comment is a riff on George Herbert’s jocular proverb that “Living well is the best revenge.”

    Another way to riff on it would be, ahem, winning is the best revenge.

    Of course, Romney losing would still be a win for him since he already lives quite well.

  • Vince
    3:12 am on November 8th, 2012 40

    The good news is we can start really hammering the rich m*tha f*ckas hard and deep and make them REALLY pay. Plus we’ll get more services and stuff for free- on those rich b@stards tab.

    I hope America gets everything she’s asked for and more.

  • kushibo
    3:47 am on November 8th, 2012 41

    Republicans are complaining that Obama got a second term because Hurricane Sandy came in 2012 instead of 2013, when they should realize George W. Bush got a second term because Hurricane Katrina came in 2005 instead of 2004.

  • Vince
    5:28 am on November 8th, 2012 42

    Right on. Americans, especially the rich white ones, had better wake up to the fact that they will have a powerful federal government which is there to help the common person, regardless of what the states or municipal governments request or need. FEMA is set up to monitor local conditions and be there and be engaged before local government can get out of their offices.

    If they don’t like that, too bad. The federal government can send a few guys on the advance party to sit the local and state guys down and tell them how it’s going to be.

    Katrina happened because of Global Warming and because W doesn’t like black people. Obama is a leader, who inspires us all, in handling Sandy. Everyone on the east coast has electricity, water, fuel, and food in record time because of President Obama’s decisive leadership and initiative. He’s a hero, and history will show him to be even larger in history than he is in his everyday life.

    It does make my leg tingle- oh- wait– that’s my I-phone…

  • tbonetylr
    5:53 am on November 8th, 2012 43

    # 5,
    “Proven Incompetent”

    Obviously you haven’t seen or heard about this…
    http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/seal-team-six-the-raid-on-osama-bin-laden/

    Bush and the republicans were content to keep feeding the war industry, why capture or kill Osama Bin Laden when that could possibly end the war?

    In the past wars inevitably ended after protests, deaths, etc… but today the Afghanistan war is a self sustaining endeavor. It’s an 8 billion dollar per month industry in Afghanistan, business has an interest to keep it going.

  • tbonetylr
    7:15 am on November 8th, 2012 44

    # 5,
    “Proven Incompetent”

    Bush and “incompetency” = Allowing for and/or placing us in two “Wars” and never getting us out despite saying “Mission Accomplished,” The Battle of Tora Bora(Dec. 2001) or the failure to capture/kill Bin Laden then and throughout his presidency, and the 2008 Worst Financial Crisis since the Great Depression(1929-1939).

    That’s tough to beat, what exactly did Obama fail at again?

  • kangaji
    7:34 am on November 8th, 2012 45

    Ofcourse Sandy is getting fixed. People in Manhattan and Staten island have much more political influence and bank money than people in New Orleans. Billions of dollars are lost until Manhattan is fixed. Hmmm Kushibo watched the Colbert report-end of daily show also.

  • tbonetylr
    7:38 am on November 8th, 2012 46

    Obama would be smart to change the way the U.S. fights terrorism/terrorists without borders. Instead of calling it a “war” call it something else after the fact like “Geronimo” or “Sting team # 7″ etc…without placing millions of Americans in harms way just send secret missions(think Israel). That way the U.S. wouldn’t have to tell the public/enemy what it’s doing beforehand and an emphasis is place on top secret missions and there wouldn’t ever be an announced end date. Of course republican War Hawks wouldn’t like that at all and would claim “incompetence.” Okay I see now, Obama was “incompetent” because he ended the “war” in Iraq which downsized the defense dept.(one of the, if not the biggest job/welfare programs in America) slightly :roll:

  • Chris In Dallas
    12:39 pm on November 8th, 2012 47

    39:”Going off on that just reveals a lack of a classic education: The “best revenge” comment is a riff on George Herbert’s jocular proverb that “Living well is the best revenge.”

    Another way to riff on it would be, ahem, winning is the best revenge.”

    Nice try. I know of but there is one problem. There was a stunning lack of jocularity. No, from looking at Obama’s body language, tone of voice, etc when he made those comments he wasn’t trying to be funny. No, people like me are the enemy deserving of revenge. From seeing various other comments being tossed around by Obama supporters, I’d say this is a fairly common sentiment. I’d refer you to comments 25 and 27 right here.

    I don’t even know why people like you would challenge me on this. I said I’m jumping out of the fray since it’s more or less too late now. Go enjoy getting or giving out free stuff. I’ll just wait here on the sidelines to pick up the pieces when everything collapses (assuming their are pieces to pick up).

    Of course, Romney losing would still be a win for him since he already lives quite well.

  • Vince
    1:53 pm on November 8th, 2012 48

    Exactly. As soon as Osama was killed, the war was over. NOTHING is going on in the Afghan. AO right now, and all anti- Western activities stopped cold.

    You can drive your car from Afghanistan to Morocco right now. Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. as soon as the news of Osama being killed was released, they simply put down their weapons and went home.

    Way to go Team Obama!

  • Vince
    1:55 pm on November 8th, 2012 49

    Hard to believe, but NYC and NJ are full speed ahead right now, thanks to Obama. Hardly a hiccup. THAT’S leadership. Take THAT, Sandy!

    New Orleans is next – now that those people have Hope, they’ll see some Change. Someone can help them, WILL help them now.

  • kushibo
    2:29 pm on November 8th, 2012 50

    Chris in Dallas wrote:

    Nice try. I know of but there is one problem. There was a stunning lack of jocularity. No, from looking at Obama’s body language, tone of voice, etc when he made those comments he wasn’t trying to be funny.

    The George Herbert quote from the 1800s was originally meant to be humorous, but in the intervening three or four centuries it has lost its jocular punch and has just been, well, a quote. And that’s my point: It’s a somewhat well-known quote (meaning that it is a sweet victory to succeed after others have tried to make you fail) and not something so literal as Obama’s critics have jumped on. Like the “you didn’t build that comment,” which was obviously about the roads, schools, infrastructure, etc., that true job creators need in order to create jobs, it was being deliberately misconstrued to see if it could be thrown at the wall and stick. It didn’t.

    No, people like me are the enemy deserving of revenge.

    No. The riff is about voting instead of hating, so I’m not sure what you think you have done for others to seek voting revenge on you. From seeing various other comments being tossed around by Obama supporters, I’d say this is a fairly common sentiment. I’d refer you to comments 25 and 27 right here.tbonetylr and teadrinker, are you trying to get some violent revenge on Chris in Dallas?

  • kushibo
    2:29 pm on November 8th, 2012 51

    Dang it! didn’t close tag.

  • kushibo
    2:32 pm on November 8th, 2012 52

    Let’s try this again with proper tags…

    Chris in Dallas wrote:

    Nice try. I know of but there is one problem. There was a stunning lack of jocularity. No, from looking at Obama’s body language, tone of voice, etc when he made those comments he wasn’t trying to be funny.

    The George Herbert quote from the 1800s was originally meant to be humorous, but in the intervening three or four centuries it has lost its jocular punch and has just been, well, a quote. And that’s my point: It’s a somewhat well-known quote (meaning that it is a sweet victory to succeed after others have tried to make you fail) and not something so literal as Obama’s critics have jumped on. Like the “you didn’t build that comment,” which was obviously about the roads, schools, infrastructure, etc., that true job creators typically need in order to create jobs, it was being deliberately misconstrued (“you didn’t build your company!”) to see if it could be thrown at the wall and stick. It didn’t.

    No, people like me are the enemy deserving of revenge.

    No. The riff is about voting instead of hating, so I’m not sure what you think you have done for others to seek voting revenge on you.

    From seeing various other comments being tossed around by Obama supporters, I’d say this is a fairly common sentiment. I’d refer you to comments 25 and 27 right here.

    tbonetylr and teadrinker, are you trying to get some violent revenge on Chris in Dallas?

  • Chris In Dallas
    3:26 pm on November 8th, 2012 53

    52: After doing some searching on the internet, the only thing I come up with involving a “George Herbert” and “revenge” involves a 15th Century English poet who stated “living well is the best revenge” (or something like that). Perhaps there is another George Herbert who discussed revenge and voting sometime around 150 years ago. But I’m not finding it.

    Either way, lets assume such a quote exists. Now explain away the “punishing our enemies” bit. Enemies, Kushibo! And as I stated previously, loads of Barry’s minions use similar language. It seems like a pretty common sentiment amongst the left from my vantage point.

  • kushibo
    3:45 pm on November 8th, 2012 54

    Chris in Dallas, I explained this in the link I provided in #39.

    And let me tell you, after all the vile things I’ve seen about Obama (and Democrats in general) on right-leaning websites over the past several years, to suggest that it is Obama or the Dems who see the other side as enemies is pot-kettle projection.

  • Teadrinker
    6:30 pm on November 8th, 2012 55

    “Republicans are complaining that Obama got a second term because Hurricane Sandy came in 2012 instead of 2013, when they should realize George W. Bush got a second term because Hurricane Katrina came in 2005 instead of 2004.”

    Oooh, I like that line. Can I steal it?

  • Teadrinker
    6:51 pm on November 8th, 2012 56

    Follow up to #37….

    No answer yet, eh? Didn’t think so. Dude, I’m the citizen of a Commonwealth nation (heck, Canada Day was Dominion Day until 1982), and I was educated in the UK. Needless to say, I know a thing or two about British history and its political and economic systems. Heck, we even delayed the privatisation of some of our own Crown corporations (yeah, we even call them that) for the very reason that Margaret Thatcher made a mess of it the UK.

  • Teadrinker
    6:52 pm on November 8th, 2012 57

    …and the Queen is on our money.

  • Teadrinker
    7:10 pm on November 8th, 2012 58

    #52,

    Yes, and the same can be said about some books of the Bible, which would have been clearly understood as political allegory to the readers of the text when originally written. But today, people take them literally.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:22 pm on November 8th, 2012 59

    @46- What people tend to forget every time I hear people say President Obama ended the war in Iraq is that he followed the plan that Bush signed with Iraqi government to withdraw the US military from Iraq by the end of 2011. However, President Obama actually tried to keep thousands of soldiers in Iraq past the scheduled withdrawal date. I think he probably feels fortunate now that the Iraqi government shot down his plan to keep thousands of soldiers in Iraq due to the SOFA dispute.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:30 pm on November 8th, 2012 60

    @41- Could you articulate what President Bush should have done after Katrina hit? I am just curious.

    Also I don’t get cable so I don’t know what the Republican talking heads on there have been saying but what I have seen posted on CNN and other news websites is that it was Chris Matthews from MSNBC being thankful that Sandy hit before the election which he had to apologize for.

  • Elmer
    8:18 pm on November 8th, 2012 61

    Sit down, little boy.

    Now that we have established there to be no difference in meaning between the quotes, we must now establish the context.

    The statement was a valid observation about socailism. Regardless of what it was being applied to at the time, it was valid then and remains valid today.

    When someone says, “That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet,” there is no obligation to use this wisdom only in reference to Cauplets or Montagues. There is no obligation to use Thatcher’s quote only in reference to post WWII British rationalizations.

    Stop being an argumentative child with everyone you encounter here, especially as it seems you are consistently wrong. Your only debate strategy seems to be to bog the argument down with peripheral issues until everyone loses interest.

    The United States is approaching a situation where the number of dependents is approaching the number of producers. in trying to take care of them, eventually, the government will run out of other people’s money due to tax evasion, disincentive to excel, inflation, or any number of factors that overwhelm this unmaintainable system.

    America has become a nation of short-term thinking takers and they will vote for whomever promises the most loot.

  • tbonetylr
    8:35 pm on November 8th, 2012 62

    # 59,
    “However, President Obama actually tried to keep thousands of soldiers in Iraq past the scheduled withdrawal date. I think he probably feels fortunate now that the Iraqi government shot down his plan to keep thousands of soldiers in Iraq due to the SOFA dispute.”

    I remember the moment, it was an easy political move in that Obama knew the Iraq govt. didn’t want us there any longer. Look on the bright side, nobody can blame the U.S. for “cutting and running.”

  • tbonetylr
    8:40 pm on November 8th, 2012 63

    So secretly(shhh) Obama only artificially tried to keep thousands of soldiers in Iraq.

  • tbonetylr
    8:44 pm on November 8th, 2012 64

    Kushibo,
    I don’t need an alliance to shoot down the “proven incompetent” claim by ‘Chris in Dallas’. As you can see he won’t provide a link and knows it ain’t worth his time since I can easily counter whatever.

  • tbonetylr
    8:49 pm on November 8th, 2012 65

    Thank goodness Iraq didn’t want us there anymore like the insecure S. Korean govt. who still can’t take care of themselves 60+ years later.

  • Chris In Dallas
    8:57 pm on November 8th, 2012 66

    64: I’m not providing a link because I don’t care anymore. Now go vote yourself some more free stuff.

  • Chris In Dallas
    9:14 pm on November 8th, 2012 67

    54: “And let me tell you, after all the vile things I’ve seen about Obama (and Democrats in general) on right-leaning websites over the past several years, to suggest that it is Obama or the Dems who see the other side as enemies is pot-kettle projection.”

    You are kidding, right?? I’m sure you can dredge up some inappropriate posting from some anonymous nobody on FreeRepublic. But what about conservative trend setters? I’ll start off with some questionable liberal comments:

    1. Nancy Pelosi declares those critical of Obamacare of being un-American.

    2. VP Biden called members of the Tea Party movement terrorists.

    3. Wanda Sykes declared her desire to see Rush Limbaugh’s kidneys fail.

    4. Janeane Garofolo labeled members of the Tea Party movement “uneducated racist rednecks”.

    5. Liberal columnist Julienne Malveaux announced on TV she hoped to see Justice Clarence Thomas die of heart failure.

    I’ll stop there for now. There is nothing comparable to this BS on the right. If you try and match this, please don’t add any of that silly “code language” nonsense where you think someone like myself calling Obama an “elitist boob” is actually saying he’s “an uppity n****r”.

  • Chris In Dallas
    9:18 pm on November 8th, 2012 68

    54(again): Post #39 does not address Obama’s exhortations to Hispanics to vote to “punish your enemies” on Univision back in 2010. “Punish” and “enemies” are pretty strong words and I seriously doubt you’ll find some 400 year old quote to twist around to rationalize this…

  • tbonetylr
    9:25 pm on November 8th, 2012 69

    ‘Chris in Dallas’
    Do you think “Barry” is a put down? The only way Myth Romnesia fit in during his youth was to be a bully. How did you fit in during your teens, or let me guess, Myth Romnesia would’ve targeted you to pick on? If there was a famous bully that rhymed with Myth or Romnesia you would’ve seen Obama calling Myth Romnesia by that name.

  • Vince
    9:56 pm on November 8th, 2012 70

    White m*tha f*ckas best stand by… This sheriff ain’t playin’.

    Bush should have taken full control of the SE USA when Katrina hit, confiscated all firearms, given people money and houses. He didn’t. It’s because he hates black people.

    Obama personally saved the east coast from any damage. No one was hurt and no property was damaged from Sandy. Any damage you might have heard of is a Fox News lie.

    He planned the raid to nail bin Laden, and only didn’t personally lead it because the SecState, VP, and First Lady begged him to command and control it from the situation room. He is a hero. The SEALs only did what they were told when BHO told them to do it. He is a hero.

    There’s that tingle again…sh*t, it was my I-phone again, and I just shot my wad…I need a kleenex…

  • tbonetylr
    10:33 pm on November 8th, 2012 71

    Vince,
    You should consider your audience. :roll:

  • SmokingFreedomGuy
    11:01 pm on November 8th, 2012 72

    I love boobs, last count there were 61,164,405 of em in America. Great work in reelecting probably he worst president ever.

    :x

  • Vince
    12:02 am on November 9th, 2012 73

    He is The Lord. The Half Blood Prince. Come and let us worship Him.

  • JoeC
    12:40 am on November 9th, 2012 74

    #72

    Funny you should say that. For some reason the Fox Business website chose to republish a 3 week old 24/7 Wall St. article that compared the States by education level and poverty rates.

    It can be debated what correlation it has to the Red and Blue States on the election map. Are the more educated states poorer judges of presidential candidates and visa-versa?

  • Bobby Ray
    1:15 am on November 9th, 2012 75

    JoeC you make a fine point there. Now I was reading that a lot of them college kids these days don’t really want to study too hard and them universities are real happy to let them do as they please as long as they keep running up them student loans. Then they is real happy to graduate them to keep their paperwork and statistics looking good. It got me to wondering just how educated a lot of them folks with a college diploma are. I sure have met some college graduates that couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper bag. I imagine some of them is voters. I don’t know what they did in that college but they sure didn’t learn no kind of reasoning skill. I’m not so sure sitting though a class on that Plato or being able to add some of them imaginary numbers is the type of education that selects a good president. A hard day’s work successfully feeding your family without having your hand out for some kind of government help or service is probably a better qualification.

    Anyhoo I reckon I don’t know what all the bellyaching is about. It don’t matter a hoot if this here election got us that Mr. Romney or that Mr. Obama again. We was just going to get the same program either way.

    All that hope and change malarkey we got promised with Mr. Obama turn out to be just a continuation of that young Mr. Bush. Them wars played out all the same, some of them new wars got started even with that Peace Prize, the security state got tighter, Wall Street and big business got their hands on a lot of public money. Them excuses was different on why it was being done depending on which side was making them but the result was all the same.

    Heck I think Mr. Obama is a much better president than Mr. Romney would be. When you think about it what the heck has Obama done in the last 4 years? Obamacare and homos in the military is about it. That ain’t a lot of damage. That Mr. Romney might actually get something done and I can’t think of nothing that needs to get done. Actually we need us a president that gets things undone.

  • Teadrinker
    2:15 am on November 9th, 2012 76

    #61,

    If you think Obama is a socilist, you probably can’t tell the difference between a horse’s ass and its head.

  • Teadrinker
    2:31 am on November 9th, 2012 77

    …and a child, me? Coming from a guy who throws a tantrum because I dare disagreeing with him? Evidently, you don’t know the meaning of the word “irony”.

    The idea that the US is suddenly a socilist country because you’ve got a sorry excuse for socilized health care…Hilarious.

  • Elmer
    9:39 am on November 9th, 2012 78

    1) You didn’t disagree with me. You spouted nonsense counter to reality. Anyone can verify that with 10 minutes on the internet.

    2) Everybody knows the meaning of the word “irony” as it can easily be found with a Google search.

    3) The US is not suddenly a socilist country. The relationship between government and big business is closer to fascism. Regardless, the number/percentage of people dependent on the government should be a serious cause for concern. The habit of Democrats to encourage this behavior which buys votes, which encourages this behavior, is equally dangerous to the long-term success of America as the Republican habit of perpetual war.

    4) The “sorry excuse for socilized health care” is the first sensible thing you have written. It should also be a big concern to those forward-thinking enough to care about the future of America. It seems to mix the worst parts of uncompassionate socilism with the worst parts of corporate profiteering. The cost is passed on to the shrinking pool of taxpayers or added to the swelling debt.

    5) You have been on the clearly losing side of many arguments here. You will get more respect by clearly stating the points you disagree on and why.

    6) I am done. I am going back to being a reader.

  • Setnaffa
    10:10 am on November 9th, 2012 79

    I’m gonna go get me some of the gummint free money now… Obama gonna pay MY mortgage and fill MY gas tank, suckers… :mrgreen:

  • a listener
    8:55 pm on November 9th, 2012 80

    Setnaffa in that case you could have done that for the past 4 years, Or even 8, or 12, or… You see how your statement makes no since at all.

  • a listener
    8:58 pm on November 9th, 2012 81

    just like my misspell of “sense”.

  • Teadrinker
    9:20 pm on November 9th, 2012 82

    78
    Still avoiding my question… :roll:
    I’m from a Commonwealth nation. British educated. I know more about the context in which that statement was made that you will ever understand.

  • JoeC
    10:14 pm on November 9th, 2012 83

    Some more demographic bad news for the Republicans from this election.

    For a little perspective, consider the votes of another minority — Asians. Romney won among all voters making more than $100,000 a year by a margin of 54-44. Asian-Americans happen to be the highest-earning group in the U.S., out-earning whites, and they generally place enormous emphasis on family. A perfect fit for Republicans, no?

    No. Asians voted for Obama by 73-26; they were more Democratic than Hispanics.

  • Teadrinker
    8:30 am on November 10th, 2012 84

    #83,

    Bah, don’t even bother. You’re only encouraging Faux News and its viewers to maintain the charade that Obama’s victory had nothing to do with his performance as President and Romney’s loss is anything other than a rejection of the Republican party’s policies and everything that news channel stands for.

  • Elmer
    10:06 am on November 10th, 2012 85

    “Teadrinker is so worried about someone tarnishing the image of his precious socilism that he blindly insists the point of the quote can apply only to a single situation long ago instead of it containing a wise and timeless observation of a flaw of ideological socilism.” — Me, 2012, perfectly in context

    Teadrinker, nobody cares if you are a subject of the Commonwealth. Nobody cares that you are “British educated”, although after reading some past observations of others here, that is doubtable. Nobody cares about your self-proclaimed knowledge of anything being far greater than anyone will ever understand.

    The problem with socilism is that it eventually runs out of other people’s money. That applied then and it applies now. And that is the point you need to direct your feeble intellect toward.

    When your ideology is to take from the producers and give to the non-producers, it is self-defeating. As the producers are generally smarter than the non-producers, they find ways to avoid being taken from. Further, as it is easier to accept handouts than to produce, the pool of non-producers is encouraged to get larger resulting in division of class with the dependent bottom living at sustenance wage.

    It is obvious that Teadrinker is a boy. He is a man-child screaming for attention to the point he is willing to make pointless and unnecessary arguments just to get somebody to acknowledge his empty existence.

    That is all.

  • Setnaffa
    12:58 pm on November 10th, 2012 86

    @85, Elmer,

    “When your ideology is to take from the producers and give to the non-producers, it is self-defeating. As the producers are generally smarter than the non-producers, they find ways to avoid being taken from. Further, as it is easier to accept handouts than to produce, the pool of non-producers is encouraged to get larger resulting in division of class with the dependent bottom living at sustenance wage.”

    That is the whole point of “Animal Farm”–which Orwell meant as an indictment and today’s lefty wannabees think is supposed to be the blueprint…

    They claim they want to eliminate the evil, hoarding, thieving rich; but all they really want is to replace them.

  • Chris In Dallas
    1:01 pm on November 10th, 2012 87

    Tom is right. Americans are stupid and lazy. Fat too…

  • Setnaffa
    1:03 pm on November 10th, 2012 88

    The non-working poor supported Obama because he gave them bread and circuses.

    The middle-class pretty much rejected Obama; but weren’t really very excited about Obama-lite.

    The very-rich also supported Obama overwhelmingly because they like the idea of being aristocrats controlling vast masses of serfs.

  • Chris In Dallas
    2:12 pm on November 10th, 2012 89

    88: As to the hyper-rich, you definitely have a point but I don’t think its the whole story. As I see it, there is an element of fear too. Gotta give the proles free goodies or they’ll just be scaling the walls of the gated communities to get it anyhow!

  • Sonagi
    3:38 pm on November 10th, 2012 90

    Actually, Obama’s share of voters in the middle income bracket was slightly larger than the top bracket: 46% Obama / 52% Romney for voters earning $36,000. – $89,000 and in the over $90,000 group, 44% Obsma / 51% Romney. A majority of voters earning $36,000, including the 38% who favored Romney versus 56% for Obama, work, sometimes two or more jobs to make ends meet. Given the low support for Romney among Hispanics and very low support a,on’t bal is, one can surmise that 38% of lower income voters who supported Romney include obese Walmart scooter riders who live off disability benefits while railing against government freeloaders. They don’t think they’re freeloaders because they worked for ten years before developing mobility issues. Lower income Romney supporters also include elderly retirees who feel entitled to demand that working people like me keep paying the FICA taxes that support Medicsre, which unlike Social Security, is not fully funded. Beneficiaries get back about $100,000 more in benefits than what was paid in through FICA. Medicare is a socialist income transfer, an inconvenient truth seniors who hate our ‘Marxist-socialist president deny in b,useful ignorance.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/us-presidential-election-center.aspx

    P.S. where did you get your ‘statistics’? Oh, nevermind, I already know the answer.

  • Setnaffa
    4:09 pm on November 10th, 2012 91

    @89, like Mexico?

  • Setnaffa
    4:10 pm on November 10th, 2012 92

    @89, like India?

  • Setnaffa
    4:10 pm on November 10th, 2012 93

    @89, like Zimbabwe?

  • Setnaffa
    4:12 pm on November 10th, 2012 94

    The super rich control those countries and have armies of former serfs “to keep the proles in line”… Note they also have gun control laws like the Democrats want here…

  • Sonagi
    6:54 pm on November 10th, 2012 95

    a,on’t bal is, = among blacks

    b, useful = blissful

  • Denny
    9:47 pm on November 10th, 2012 96

    George P. Bush is running in Texas. He is Mexican American, so he’ll get some Hispanic support.

    Will he be elected President and go to war in Iraq, since the Bush family has a tradition of military action in Iraq?

  • Denny
    9:55 pm on November 10th, 2012 97

    http://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/restore-families/hispanic-george-p-bush-run-texas-statewide-office-george-w-bushs-nephew-004812

    George P. Bush is a Conservative Hispanic Texan. His father is Jeb Bush who is a former Florida Governor and brother of former U.S. President and Texas Governor George W. Bush. George P. Bush’s mother was born in Mexico.

    High profile conservative Hispanics are very sought after in the Republican Party because of the GOP’s desire to attract Hispanic/Latino Voters, who are mostly conservative, to come over to the Republican Party.

    Ted Cruz was recently elected to be a U.S. Senator from Texas and is already been thrown into the national spotlight.

    If George P. Bush runs for statewide office in Texas, expect him to win and move up the ladder very quickly. The Republican Party is desperate for guys like him so that the Republican Party can show that our conservative values are welcoming to all people of all colors. It was the Republican Party after-all who freed the slaves and elected the first black officials. Over time though the Democrats have been able to lie and portray Republicans as a party for only white people.

  • Teadrinker
    9:57 pm on November 10th, 2012 98

    “George P. Bush”? Are you kidding? Another one? Ridiculous.

    “Vote for the name you know” (Eddie Murphy in ‘The Distinguished Gentleman’).

  • Teadrinker
    10:03 pm on November 10th, 2012 99

    “The Republican Party is desperate for guys like him so that the Republican Party can show that our conservative values are welcoming to all people of all colors.”

    You’re kidding, right? Trying to make it about race? Obama won because he did a good job and, more importantly, people distrusted Romney (the guy kept contradicting himself and talking nonsense, whatever he felt his audience at that moment wanted to hear, as if people are too stupid to check facts) and the increasingly radicalized Republican party.

  • tbonetylr
    10:10 pm on November 10th, 2012 100

    Republican/Red states get more federal/government subsidizing dollars than democratic blue states.FACT! They leech off our government(and pretend they don’t) like there is no tomorrow and are taking our country, where has it gone?

    Things keep coming out that makes the Republicans look worse and worse i.e. More Mormons voted for Bush than Mitt the Twit and Mitt the twit lost the single women vote by 38%. Leeches!

  • Chris In Dallas
    9:36 am on November 11th, 2012 101

    I listened to a clip from one of Neil Boortz’s post election shows. He has a friend with a business which had 55 employees. Not entirely sure if this is correct, but Boortz stated the threshold for Obamacare provisions to kick in was 51. So this fellow fired 5 of his least productive employees (thus being under The Regime’s radar). Darned if all 5 didn’t sport Obama stickers on their cars! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Glans
    10:03 am on November 11th, 2012 102

    The electors will vote in their state capitals on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, the seventeenth. Congress will count the votes in January, normally on the sixth. That will be a Sunday in 2012, so maybe they’ll count the votes on the seventh. Then, at last, Obama will get his landslide.

  • JoeC
    10:12 am on November 11th, 2012 103

    #101

    That would be the sensible business decision if revenue from the work of the 5 least productive employees didn’t cover the cost of their health care.

    If however, he finds out 6 months later, that his remaining most productive 50 employees are unhappy picking up the slack to cover the production of those lost 5 employees and doing it without the health care benefits being given to their competitors across town. Then, his most productive workers move over to his competition, his production and quality of works drops off and he starts losing work to his competitor, it may not have been the best decision.

 

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