Here is an opinion piece in the Stars & Stripes where a former West Point graduate advocates for allowing military personnel to have sex in the barracks and while deployed. Here is how she wraps it up:
What would I do if I were in charge? I’d abolish General Order No. 1. Keep the rules that protect soldiers from sexual harassment. But allow deployed officers and troops to have sex while at war. West Point should come to its senses as well.
West Pointers and other military servicemembers endure tremendous sacrifices. We appreciate the adoration and respect we receive. In that same spirit, I ask the public to accept and forgive our weaknesses. It’s OK to be disappointed, but please don’t be misled. Beneath the heavy combat gear and impressive uniform, we’re human, just like you. [Stars & Stripes]
You can read the rest at the link, but the biggest reason there is no sex allowed in the barracks is because of the threat of increased sexual assaults.
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6:51 pm on December 26th, 2012 1
No sex in the barracks? That is fiction, I think I had sex in every barracks I occupied as permanent party.
9:36 pm on December 26th, 2012 2
even if you did, Officially all Barracks have a ban on Sex taking place in them.
9:36 pm on December 26th, 2012 3
1. They mean with a 2nd person.
2:03 am on December 27th, 2012 4
I have a problem with the story when it comes to General Order #1. In none of the General Orders that I had to read in my 4 deployments to the Middle East, no where in them did it say that Soldiers could not have sex while deployed. What it did say was that Soldiers could not have sex with local nationals or third country nationals while deployed. It is a very common misconception when it comes to GO1 that Soldiers are not supposed to be having sex. Trust me, it’s been through legal review after legal review and every time it never passes the legal test. What they do put in there is that Soldiers cannot be in the living quarters of Soldiers of the opposite sex. If Soldiers can find a private place and NOT their living quarters to have sex, they have sex.
Comments….?
3:55 am on December 27th, 2012 5
#4 DC.
“What they do put in there is that Soldiers cannot be in the living quarters of Soldiers of the opposite sex.”
What about Gays. Does that apply to them. If not, I feel cheated
7:19 am on December 27th, 2012 6
#4 I’m about as sure as can be the soldiers aren’t permitted to have sex while deployed in a combat zone. Even married people stationed together aren’t permitted to have sex while deployed in a combat zone (at least in the USAF).
I don’t know how they get around the technical “legalities” specifically…but those aren’t terribly difficult to circumvent. For example, if sex is prohibited on base and soldiers aren’t permitted off base it’s essentially a ban on sex while deployed.
7:56 am on December 27th, 2012 7
2 men or 2 women??
8:00 am on December 27th, 2012 8
Mandatory use of birth control yes or no??
Note:
Does not apply to male to male or female to female
8:20 am on December 27th, 2012 9
7. Why do you care who diddles who? The issue is the diddling, not whose naughty bits rubs against who.
9:51 am on December 27th, 2012 10
Liz wrote:
I was deployed at a contingency operating base in Bosnia. It was basically a bunch of tents and a hodge-podge of make-shift rooms built using plywood and 2X4s.
It was virtually impossible for a male to get away with sneaking into the females’ living area for some hanky panky – and vice versa.
An MP staff sergeant got busted for boinking one of the female interpreters – something he had been doing for quite some time. They didn’t actually get caught though. The staff sergeant pissed someone off and that person ratted on them – and the female interpreter confessed.
The interesting part was where they were enjoying each other’s company. They would sneak down to the motor pool late at night and get into the back of one of the “fastback” MP Humvees.
10:09 am on December 27th, 2012 11
Suppose you’re deployed to a combat zone six months or a year. You’re not allowed to have intercourse all that time, not even once? Heck, the armed forces should encourage intercourse for morale’s sake, and as a sign of normality.
11:06 am on December 27th, 2012 12
11. It might help with PTSD. Who knows? The violence PLUS all the draconian rules might be (contributing factors) causing some of these problems.
11:30 am on December 27th, 2012 13
Not even if you deployed with your spouse. Though, I’ve never heard of anyone who obeyed that rule the whole time….
I think it should be more like don’t ask, don’t tell. Unless they bring in a brothel or something. There are too few women and it’s going to be a problem with a ten to one (or worse) ratio trying to score with the couple of women available (probably only one attractive one in the bunch). I can see why a deployed female might like those odds, but what a nightmare…and then relationships fail they wouldn’t work well together anymore, she’d go on the next available penis and those guys wouldn’t get along, and I can see that process repeating itself again and again.
11:32 am on December 27th, 2012 14
Sorry, the above response was to Glans #11…what happened to that edit feature?
2:08 pm on December 27th, 2012 15
Liz, the mere prospect of responding to me has rendered you incoherent. You need to have a heart-to-heart with hubby.
2:55 pm on December 27th, 2012 16
#15: Nah, he’s just happy when I don’t babble incoherently out loud.
5:01 pm on December 27th, 2012 17
Forensic investigation has determined that 80% of Napoleon’s soldiers burried in mass graves outside of Vilnius and Smolensk suffered from syphilis. It’s safe to conclude that the disease contributed to Napoleon’s Great Retreat of 1812.
And there’s this…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_in_the_American_Civil_War
Begs the question: With modern medicine being what it is, is it necessary to ban sexual activity?
5:27 pm on December 27th, 2012 18
My God man! They ban sex, they ban smokes, they ban drinking. What’s next, banning the use of prostitutes?
Christ, this new military IS screwed up. Glad I left when I did.
I wonder, do they send you away to Levenworth for breaking these rules? Guess what goes on in prison……..
6:55 pm on December 27th, 2012 19
#17 Montgomery set up a brothel for British soldiers in Tripoli. The Italians had moving brothels during that war. I don’t think the ban has much to do with std worries.
10:43 pm on December 27th, 2012 20
Liz wrote:
Those fugly ones are called “deployment queens.”
12:56 am on December 28th, 2012 21
Sex is a core need, for most normal people, somewhere behind breathing and eating. Abstinence is not the answer.
Next?
2:06 am on December 28th, 2012 22
21. You will recall that the military has a lot of PC feminists and Evangelical Bible thumpers at the top. Although they think quite differently, they are actually a lot alike in their end results. They have f@rked it up for everyone.
10:22 am on December 30th, 2012 23
If the Ary enforces consistantly even 1/2 of its policies, we would have MAYBE 1/2 our foce remaining. We wouldn’t be able to maintain our congressionally mandated force levels. Some Generals would have to testify before Congress and end up with their heads stuck in the Guillatine. The Generals would ax the COLs and the COLs would already have premptively struck at the LTS, who already saw it coming and fired all their CPT and took out extra life insurance policies.
Therefore, the Army somehow finds some kind of unspoken balance to everything. It kinda resembles GRADING ON A CURVE in school, but much more severe.
10:26 am on December 30th, 2012 24
For obvious reasons, sex should not be permitted in Barracks ANYWHERE, period. It is a place to sleep, not F**K. That is what Motels are for. Allowing that hanky panky stuff in barracks endangers both sexes by placing them in situations where they may not be able to give consent, opens them to more attacks, and it opens up too much fratinization with NCOs living on the floor as a floor SGT. There are WAY too many cases of the PSG or 1SG or even CSM banging troops in barracks and getting away with it. The buck has got to stop. However, comma, it won’t anytime soon.