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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on December 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

The Stupidest Gun Control Article of the Past Year

Here is the stupidest gun control article I have read in quite sometime:

Two rocket launchers turned into the Los Angeles Police Department as part of the city’s gun buyback event appear to be antitank weapons from the military, experts said.

Police said the people turning them in at the buyback told officers they had family members who were at one time in the military and “they no longer wanted the launchers in their homes.”

Several military experts said one of the weapons was probably a version of the AT4, an unguided antitank weapon. It’s a single-shot weapon that a soldier fires and then discards the tubing.  [Stars & Stripes]

You can read the rest at the link, but these so called anti-tank weapons are no longer weapons.  After the round is expended the tube is worthless.  If the Los Angeles government paid money for useless metal and plastic than for their next gun buy back program I should show up with a truck filled with old baseball bats because they are more of a weapon than an expended AT4.

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  • LOL
    7:46 pm on December 30th, 2012 1

    These were never weapons. Saw the photo on la times, tubes were marked with a yellow band meaning they were for training.

  • The Joker
    7:51 pm on December 30th, 2012 2

    Gun buybacks are a great way to sell old, broken, stolen and partial “guns” to the taxpayers. It pays more than the recycle yard or throwing it in the river.

  • Bob
    9:44 pm on December 30th, 2012 3

    We own an old shotgun, It’s worth about $300 if it’s working order however it’s broken and repair cost is $500. Wish we had a buy back program locally trade it in and get w/e we can.

  • JoeC
    9:53 pm on December 30th, 2012 4

    I read the article and I didn’t see anywhere where they said they actually paid for the tubes. Since they weren’t actually weapons they probably didn’t have to pay for them.

    It’s still useful to have them so they can trace where they came from and how they got out of the military’s control.

    A lot of military people do get hollowed out munitions and casings that they keep as displays. It’s usually not difficult to tell when it’s been intentionally demilitarized for display purposes. You can probably find some displayed in your local GI ville bars.

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:28 pm on December 30th, 2012 5

    But they made a big deal out of the tubes to serve the propaganda and their agenda, so even better!

  • jim
    11:20 pm on December 30th, 2012 6

    inert fiberglass tubes… certainly we should get these off the streets.

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:07 am on December 31st, 2012 7

    6. Realistically guns are merely inert metal tubes which are completely harmless without ammunition and an operator.

  • Setnaffa
    10:06 am on December 31st, 2012 8

    #7, I’ve never seen even a loaded weapon hurt anyone without an operator. And since drunk drivers kill so many more people than armed lunatics, I fully expect to see the same moonbats trying to limit car ownership next…

  • William
    5:31 pm on December 31st, 2012 9

    *** Sound of clapping at Setnafa’s post ***

    Military should GTFO the middle East and work first on DOMESTIC TERRORISTS, such as drunk drivers and gangs and drug pushers. We would spend a heck of a lot less $$$ and be 100,000 times more effective than killing a few thousand baddies a year oversies.

  • JoeC
    6:04 pm on December 31st, 2012 10


    Hmmmm? Revoke The Posse Comitatus Act?

  • Retired GI
    6:28 pm on December 31st, 2012 11

    They were “training aids”. Was written on the side. Most likely belonged to the Police. They really do believe Americans are stupid. Sadly, they are correct more often than not.

  • Teadrinker
    8:39 pm on December 31st, 2012 12

    It lacks the supposed bias that some of you are insinuating that it has. Notice that the article doesn’t hide the fact that these are no longer functional? Of course not, it would deflate your argument.

  • Teadrinker
    8:41 pm on December 31st, 2012 13


    “They really do believe Americans are stupid. Sadly, they are correct more often than not.”

    So, guns aren’t dangerous? Makes me wonder why they give weapons handling classes in the military, then.

  • MTB Rider
    9:07 pm on December 31st, 2012 14

    @12: Yes, the article does mention that the “weapons” were stripped down models, no longer capable of firing. Of course the fear mongering paragraph was a few lines down:

    “Those are weapons of war, weapons of death,” Beck said. “These are not hunting guns. These are not target guns. These are made to put high-velocity, extremely deadly, long-range rounds down-range as quickly as possible, and they have no place in our great city.”

    Oooh! The big bad boogy-man is going to get us! Military Grade rocket launchers are EVERYWHERE, and we MUST pass laws to “Protect the Children!” Oh, why won’t anyone think of the children!

    Sigh. You have to read the entire article, not just the bits that appeal to you.

  • The Joker
    10:14 pm on December 31st, 2012 15

    Guns kill people. Spoons make them fat.

  • Leon LaPorte
    11:09 pm on December 31st, 2012 16

    14. Most of these people aren’t going to do that. Hell, the alleged Christians only read the parts of the bible which appeal to them and ignore the parts they are uncomfortable with or would put them in mortal jeopardy. It’s human nature, I s’pose.

  • Teadrinker
    2:13 am on January 1st, 2013 17

    You mean people actually exaggerate sometimes to make a point? I would have never guessed.

    Remains that the article itself is not as biased as it was suggested. Besides, that information is at the bottom of the article, where reporters tend to put the least important information, or the information they want to draw the least attention to.

  • Teadrinker
    2:14 am on January 1st, 2013 18



  • Glans
    5:37 am on January 1st, 2013 19

    I’m working on a new slogan. How’s this?

    Guns don’t kill people. Violent movies and video games kill people.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    8:44 am on January 1st, 2013 20

    @19- If the people pushing increased gun control actually did care about reducing gun violence they would be pushing for restrictions on Hollywood’s, the media, and video game makers 1st Amendment Rights as well.

  • Setnaffa
    1:51 pm on January 1st, 2013 21

    I’ll give up my Second Amendment rights right after the rest of you agree everyone has to join my church and start tithing to me. And they’re not allowed to print or say anything I don’t like. Or petition the government either. /sarc

    Are you all so blind? Cigarettes kill more people every year than guns. Abortions kill many, many more. Drivers leaving bars over the limit kill many more than guns. Baseball bats do too. So stop lying “it’s about violence/save the children” and admit you just don’t want anyone to have ANY rights not authorized by the tyrant du jour. Just like all the other filth you haters produce.

    I got your “unobtanium” right here…

  • Teadrinker
    4:27 pm on January 1st, 2013 22


    “Abortions kill many, many more.”

    Oh, so you’re one of those, eh?

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:44 pm on January 1st, 2013 23

    It is a fact. Until the advent of the motion picture, television and video games, earth was a peaceful paradise where violence was abhorred.

  • jim
    4:49 pm on January 1st, 2013 24

    10, patrolling the actual border would be a good use of the “defense” department.

    22, whatever tea you’re drinking that suggests that a human fetus deserves no right to live, i don’t want any.

  • Setnaffa
    4:53 pm on January 1st, 2013 25

    “One of those”… Nice ad hominem… So glad you admit you’re in favor of allowing the Government to decide which people are “viable” and which can be killed without consequence or even the requirement that the killer report the death to anyone…

    I’m not about to suggest we make abortions illegal everywhere. Just admit it’s a moral choice, let the issue be decided by local or state governments, and keep tax dollars out of it too. There are a lot of wealthy folks who support it vocally. Let THEM pay for it without forcing everyone else to do so.

    If you don’t enlist or pay taxes, though, you should STFU about wars–you’re not “an interested party”…

    Back onto “guns and violence”: The UK is a much more dangerous place than America because of their gun policy

  • Flyingsword
    4:58 pm on January 1st, 2013 26

    Destroy your AT-4 and LAW tubes as an inventive enemy can use them against you….

  • Glans
    5:25 pm on January 1st, 2013 27

    The world is the most peaceful it’s ever been, says Steven Pinker.

  • Retired GI
    5:30 pm on January 1st, 2013 28

    Teadrinker, don’t make me doubt your intelligence anymore than I already do.

    Cars require “training”. They are as dangerous as the person driving them.

    Welding requires “training”.

    Horseback riding requires “training”.

    Computer programing requires “training”.

    I’m all for “training”. I have provided a great deal of “training” to others, and received much training before that.

  • Teadrinker
    4:17 am on January 2nd, 2013 29


    Yup, with you religious types, women’s rights always takes the back burner to dogma.

  • Teadrinker
    4:19 am on January 2nd, 2013 30


    It’s a matter of reproductive rights and personal choice. Keep the government out of women’s reproductive organs.

  • Teadrinker
    4:20 am on January 2nd, 2013 31


    If you were so smart, you’d know you’re making a slippery slope argument.

  • Glans
    4:57 am on January 2nd, 2013 32

    A fetus, never having committed any crime, has the right to keep and bear arms.

  • kushibo
    5:13 am on January 2nd, 2013 33

    And since drunk drivers kill so many more people than armed lunatics, I fully expect to see the same moonbats trying to limit car ownership next…

    “So many more people”? I think it’s about 10K to 11K drunk driving-related fatalities per year versus about 9K gun-related deaths per year.

    And yeah, there is a push to limit car ownership in relation to drunk driving.

  • Vince
    5:13 am on January 2nd, 2013 34

    We should scrape ALL liberals if they get pregnant. It will serve multiple purposes- the lib female gets to participate in the liberal sacrament of abortion, we have one less liberal to have to put up with. It’s a win-win.

    Everyone wins.

  • kushibo
    5:16 am on January 2nd, 2013 35

    Vince, despite what the right has convinced you of, few if any people are actually “pro-abortion” and certainly nobody sees it as a liberal sacrament. They simply want it as a safe and viable option when it is (perceived as) needed.

    Me, I’d rather limit the supply of unwanted pregnancies earlier in the supply chain, like before they happen, but dang it if a lot of the people who are opposed to abortion ain’t also opposed to birth control.

    That’s a head scratcher.

  • The Joker
    6:04 am on January 2nd, 2013 36

    The three big reasons why crime has gone down in America are expanded concealed carry rights, long-term prison sentences for career criminals and legalization of abortion in the 70s.

  • Teadrinker
    6:39 am on January 2nd, 2013 37

    Your name fits you well.

  • Teadrinker
    6:44 am on January 2nd, 2013 38


    Exactly. “Pro-abortion”? You’d have to be a numbskull to believe that. It’s about reproductive rights.

    And yes, it’s quite ironic that the frothing at the mouth anti-abortionists are opposed to honest sexual education in schools (the kind which discusses contraception instead of pushing abstinence) and easy access to contraceptives, the two things which would prevent most abortions.

  • The Joker
    8:05 am on January 2nd, 2013 39

    Yeah but I’m not joking Teadrinker.

    Open your mind to the possibility that your pseudo-intellectual indoctrination was not always with reality instead of constantly being condescending to everyone who doesn’t write a comment supporting your narrow beliefs.

    After we satisfactorily discuss this, I will post a credible link to the next point.

  • The Joker
    8:12 am on January 2nd, 2013 40

    I forgot one more reason. The increase and decrease in crime correlates with the use of lead in gasoline and paint both in America and the UK where it was banned some time later.

  • Glans
    9:52 am on January 2nd, 2013 41

    Lead abatement could be very significant. Kevin Drum has been discussing this for a long time. Making paint and gasoline without it seems to have unexpected but good consequences. Now we need to get the remaining traces out of the soil.

  • Teadrinker
    4:17 pm on January 2nd, 2013 42


    You already made the point I was going to make at #40. Not only isn’t correlation equal to causation, two things can be indirectly correlated. In other words, you’re reaching.

  • Teadrinker
    4:19 pm on January 2nd, 2013 43

    Tongue in cheek a bit, eh?

  • Teadrinker
    4:25 pm on January 2nd, 2013 44

    Crime rates go up and down in long cycles. They will go back up again in the US.

  • Scientist
    7:00 pm on January 2nd, 2013 45

    Teadrinker is a pompous ass as usual. If you had even a small percentage of the education you claim, you would know the correct logical phrase is “correlation does not imply causation”. While this is a common internet meme, it is frequently misunderstood and misused by those wishing to sound smarter than they are, as you have done. Where there is causation there is almost always correlation and it is the most reasonable place to start any scientific enquiry. For a guy who brags about the expensive and complex statistical software you are an expert on, you seem pretty unfamiliar with standard methods of determining if correlation IS due to causation.

    In your typical pompous way, you dismiss the conclusions of professional scientists in peer-reviewed papers without any explanation then make a grand proclamation that “Crime rates go up and down in long cycles. They will go back up again in the US” without any supporting evidence.

    Instead of being a dismissive and condescending pompous ass to Joker, why don’t you have the dignity to read the article he linked and comment on the facts and interpretations presented instead of making up your own.

  • Vince
    7:47 pm on January 2nd, 2013 46

    Killing the most vulnerable? Sure- why not? What’s not to like?

  • Leon LaPorte
    11:10 pm on January 2nd, 2013 47

    Whoops! Those of us who are pro-gun might want to stop citing Switzerland.

    A gunman has opened fire in a village in Switzerland, killing three people and wounding two others, Swiss police say.

  • Swiss Miss
    11:19 pm on January 2nd, 2013 48

    Before you join the anti-gun media circus, wait for full story to come out. If it is ever reported in the English language media, that is.

  • Glans
    6:12 am on January 3rd, 2013 49

    Lead seems to be the real deal. Kevin Drum has commented on it again, and he links to his full article at Mother Jones. Yes, he knows about correlation and causation.

    Lead damages children’s growing brains in ways that raise the probability of crime. Formulating gasoline without it has done us a world of good.

  • Glans
    6:14 am on January 3rd, 2013 50

    Lead seems to be the real deal. Kevin Drum has commented on it again, and he links to his full article at Mother Jones. Yes, he knows about correlation and causation.

    This time, I hope my link works. :oops:

  • Leon LaPorte
    6:41 am on January 3rd, 2013 51

    50. We need armed guards and more citizens with guns (not to mention god) in these forums to protect our edit button! :???:

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:19 am on January 3rd, 2013 52

    @51- I turned the edit comments plugin back on, but people been getting some commenting errors because of it. If anyone gets any more errors let me know. Especially let me know via e-mail if you have to if it prevents you from commenting totally.

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:28 am on January 3rd, 2013 53

    GI KOREA: The edit button is on.

    HOI POLLOI: You are a righteous dude! :grin: :cool:


    GI KOREA: The edit button is off.

    HOI POLLOI: To the last, I will grapple with thee… from Hell’s heart, I stab at thee! For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee! :evil: :twisted:

    /The GI does the best he can. The GI works in mysterious ways. He tests us.

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:33 am on January 3rd, 2013 54

    This error comes up in the header of the individual post:

    Warning: Missing argument 2 for wpdb::prepare(), called in /home/rokdropc/public_html/wp-content/plugins/wp-ajax-edit-comments/lib/class.core.php on line 470 and defined in /home/rokdropc/public_html/wp-includes/wp-db.php on line 990

    I’m not familiar with WP so I don’t know how into the nuts and bolts you can get.

    Possibly related:


  • Swiss Miss
    8:49 am on January 3rd, 2013 55

    The first part of 3 parts of the real story is out.

    “In 2005, he was admitted in a psychiatric hospital”

  • Glans
    10:05 am on January 3rd, 2013 56

    Here’s the direct link to Kevin Drum’s Mother Jones cover story on America’s real criminal element, lead.

    BTW FWIW I don’t question GI Korea’s management of this blog. He is wise and good.

  • Glans
    5:29 pm on January 3rd, 2013 57

    The prison population is dropping. Kevin Drum explains this, too, as a result of lead abatement. The incarceration rate is falling, in particular, for young black males.

  • Glans
    10:23 am on January 4th, 2013 58

    Lead in paint, not just in gasoline, seems to cause crime. Here’s Kevin Drum again.

  • Teadrinker
    4:07 pm on January 4th, 2013 59


    Being an ass as usual?

    Look it up. You have the internet. Crime rates do fluctuate. Criminologists have drawn a line between this and the economy. People who are jobless are less attractive targets because they have fewer valuables at home and are more likely to be there, for example.

  • Teadrinker
    4:10 pm on January 4th, 2013 60

    Does he explain why the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world? How about the incarceration rate in other countries? Falling too?

  • Glans
    4:45 pm on January 4th, 2013 61

    60, he notes that lead isn’t the only cause of crime, just that it’s a significant cause, which has decreased, followed by a decrease in crime.

    Why is our incarceration rate the highest? Maybe because our use of gasoline in the 1950s was the highest. Anyhow, that contributed to our incarceration rate; again, lead is not the only cause of incarceration. I urge you read read the Kevin Drum article and comments which I linked. Then draw your own conclusions.

  • Glans
    5:09 am on January 5th, 2013 62

    An intelligent discussion brought a clarification from Kevin Drum. Here’s Deborah Blum of Knight Science Journalism at MIT.

  • Teadrinker
    6:03 am on January 5th, 2013 63


    Looks to me like she’s politely disagreeing with him.

  • Glans
    6:51 am on January 5th, 2013 64

    63, aren’t polite disagreements wonderful? She’s saying lead is important, maybe not quite as important as he seemed to imply.

  • Teadrinker
    7:06 am on January 5th, 2013 65


    Well, yeah. Lead is poisonous after all.

  • The Joker
    9:17 am on January 5th, 2013 66

    Teadrinker you jumped all over the lead but you don’t want to talk about abortion, prison or concealed carry? If you put your hands over your eyes, maybe the big, bad fact man will go away?

    You have a big mouth with nothing behind it.

  • Glans
    9:20 am on January 5th, 2013 67

    65: And when we stop poisoning children, they’re less likely to be criminals when they grow up!

    So I recommend Drum’s work to all ROK Droppers who want to learn about crime and lead.

  • Teadrinker
    10:15 am on January 5th, 2013 68

    That’s over simplifying things. Read again the article you linked to at 62.

  • The Joker
    11:40 am on January 5th, 2013 69

    Glans does nothing but post endless links with no intelligent comment and Teadrinker does nothing but refute them with brief all-knowing-sounding statements but no intelligent comment. If something is worth linking, it is worth commenting as to why. If something is disagreeable, explain exactly why or shut up.

    Glans and Teadrinker debating is like listening to two geeks taking about sex.

  • Glans
    12:51 pm on January 5th, 2013 70

    Joker, I’m not debating. I’m not trying to convince you, Teadrinker, or anyone else. I’m pointing out interesting things to read.

    You’re the guy that introduced the subject of lead in this thread. Kevin Drum’s work relates to that. I think he’s right, but you can take it or leave it.

  • The Joker
    1:32 pm on January 5th, 2013 71

    Glans pointing out interesting things to read and Teadrinker refuting them is like listening to two geeks taking about sex.

  • Glans
    2:16 pm on January 5th, 2013 72

    Lead and burglary in the UK: preschool lead level and burglary eighteen years later, in one chart – who else but Kevin Drum? Plus, he’ll be on the Melissa Harris-Perry Show tomorrow. Click on Mother Jones.

  • Glans
    1:49 pm on January 7th, 2013 73

    Lead on TV: here’s Kevin Drum on Melissa Harry-Perry’s show. The Raw Story has a link to the video. Drum’s article and comments are more informative, but some ROK Droppers may want video.

  • Glans
    1:52 pm on January 8th, 2013 74

    Lead in the head: today Kevin Drum notes three lines of evidence incriminating lead: ecological studies, longitudinal studies, imaging studies. He’s at Mother Jones.


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