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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on February 3rd, 2013 at 8:53 am

Six US Soldiers Accused of Sexually Harassing Korean Woman On the Seoul Subway

UPDATE #1: The Chosun Ilbo now has article up claiming the soldiers were playing a boombox loudly on the subway and groped the Korean woman who complained.  Three of the soldiers were then detained by passengers when they try to leave the subway.  A picture of the detained soldiers can be seen below.  Like I said before I will let this story play itself out before passing judgment based on the past subway incidents mentioned below.  You would think with all the people in the subway car someone would have pulled out their cell phone and filmed what happened?

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Via the various reader tips from the Open Thread comes news that six USFK soldiers are accused of sexually harassing a 20-year old Korean woman on the subway:

Three U.S. soldiers have been caught for alleged sexual harassment of a South Korean woman on a subway train and three others are being sought for their involvement, Yonhap quoted police as saying Sunday.

The half-dozen American soldiers, whose identities have been withheld, are accused of harassing a 20-year-old South Korean woman around 9:16 p.m. on Saturday on a train on the subway line No. 1.

Police said the soldiers danced to loud music on the train, and the woman asked them to be quiet. The soldiers then started harassing her while filming their act at the same time.

Police said they detained three of the soldiers and turned them over to the U.S. military police, while three others, who fled the scene, remain at large.  [Sina News]

Considering how past US soldiers have been accused of crimes on the subway in the past that proved to be false everyone should keep some skepticism on whether this is a sexual harassment case or not.  See the below links for examples:

Since the soldiers were on subway Line 1, they are likely 2nd Infantry Division soldiers heading back to their camps after partying in Seoul.  The rowdy behavior described in the article is something I find highly believable since that is behavior I have seen soldiers do before on the subway.  Here is a past example of such behavior.  To be fair I have also encountered rowdy behavior from Korean passengers as well and Koreans have done far worse things on the subway than a US soldier ever has.  However, US soldiers are definitely more noticeable just by the fact they stand out so much due to being foreigners on the subway.  I have personally corrected soldiers on the subway before and usually once somebody in a position of leadership points out their rude behavior they settle down.

Considering the amount of courtesy patrols wandering around the villes in Korea how long before someone gets the idea USFK needs courtesy patrols on subway Line 1 as well?

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  • Glans
    9:00 am on February 3rd, 2013 1

    Courtesy patrols on the subway might not be a bad idea.

  • guitard
    10:39 am on February 3rd, 2013 2

    Bad idea – you don’t have enough NCOs and junior officers in 2ID to cover all the trains.

    If the truth comes out and these soldiers really were acting stupid on the train – make an example out of them. Restrict them to base for the rest of their tours. And then do a Division-wide Sergeants Time Training class on how not to act stupid on the train. During the class, reinforce the point several times that some soldiers are restricted for the rest of their tour for acting like idiots on the train. That won’t stop all of the stupidity on the trains – but it will stop a lot of it. For a while anyway.

  • Flunky Brewster
    10:41 am on February 3rd, 2013 3

    The #1 line is the longest in the Seoul system and it extends from near the DMZ through Seoul and down to Sinchang station in the south, which is past Cheonan and Asan.
    The stations and directions of the trains where all of this supposedly happened have yet to be named by the newscasts but there are many large cities on the #1 line including: Seoul, Anyang, Suwon, Pyeongtaek, Cheonan, and all of the points north up to the DMZ.
    I’ve ridden the #1 line for a few years and I’ve seen plenty of drunken Korean men harrassing Korean women by rubbing against them, especially during rush hour in Seoul between Gasan Digital Complex station and Seoul Station. It is such a common occurence that there has been talk about “women only” subway cars. Every once in a while the Korean police will bust Korean men for harrassing women on the subway, and they’ve even busted a Seoul judge for doing it, but most of the time women are on their own.
    I’d say that in my years of riding the #1 line I’ve seen some American soldiers on the subway who were visably drunk but only a few times have they been loud, and that was usually when they had loud female soldiers or wives with them. 99% of the time they just blend in, hang on for the ride, and mind their own business.
    I will tell you that there should be a CCTV tape of this somewhere, and we’ll see if this story had validity.

  • Flunky Brewster
    10:55 am on February 3rd, 2013 4

    BTW, if this is all about a confrontation with an angry Korean passenger, the smartest thing to do in that situation is to move on to the next subway car or get off and get on the next train. You can’t win any shouting matches and things can turn ugly, especially later in the day. Remember, many Koreans are in ugly moods on the subway. They’ve had so many suicides on the subways that Korail has installed screens at most stations to prevent Koreans from committing suicide by jumping in front of the subway trains as they approach the stations. Many times I’ve seen koreans argue among themselves. Plus, whenever there’s a scramble for open seats there are often many sore losers.
    As for “loud music” on the subway, the loudest music I’ve ever heard on the subway was by vendors trying to sell pirated music CDs and, once, by some older Korean men playing a Frank Sinatra cd through a boombox. The younger people always use their headphones to listen to music.

  • Smokes
    11:37 am on February 3rd, 2013 5

    Bleh more sensationalistic poop. Dear Leader needs to stir up some trouble to give these pathetic excuses for journalists something to write about.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tie5ey9dddk

  • LG DACOM Stinks, Royally
    2:59 pm on February 3rd, 2013 6

    GI Korea mentions misbehavior by Koreans as if it excuses misbehavior by Americans. Misbehavior by anyone is inexcusable, but I’d say that misbehavior by Americans is particularly bad. Considering that 5.6 million Koreans ride the Seoul subway every day, and probably fewer than 150 U.S. service members, misconduct by these six is more significant. Six service members are also a better representation of the fewer-than-10,000 service members who live between Seoul and northern Kyeongi. Nearly 6,300 Koreans would have to act up on the subway in a single day to reach the same proportion of the 10,400,000 Koreans who live within Seoul’s city limits.

  • Tom
    3:58 pm on February 3rd, 2013 7

    This was on Korean news. Someone recorded the whole misbehavior by these monkeys on his smartphone and handed it over to the media. :lol: The video shows the US GI’s acting crazy, dancing, singing, and all the Korean passengers moving away from the car, and to the next car. All except one girl who politely asks them to stop. The GI’s get p*ssed off and starts cussing at her calling her names and starts whistling and laughing at her, then starts touching her in the private parts making sexual innuendos like copulating from behind her. In other words, they were acting like how they always do in Korea. If the GI’s thought they were innocent, the three who ran away should give themselves up to Korean police and face the attempted sexual assault charges.

    And of course GI Korea brings up the 1995 subway case. But he fails to bring up the case just last year where US MP’s arrested a Korean citizen under false pretenses over a parking ticket and started beating on them mercilessly. Now how did that one slip through the cracks, but the 1995 incident, didn’t?? A question to ponder. :?:

  • Whitey A. Cracker
    4:36 pm on February 3rd, 2013 8

    Monkeys? Are you referencing African Americans?

  • Orbit
    4:47 pm on February 3rd, 2013 9

    Well…U.S.Military is where poor losers or stupid kids who couldn’t go to college join. Of course not all of them are like that, but most of them are like that.

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:48 pm on February 3rd, 2013 10

    7. …of course GI Korea brings up the 1995 subway case. But he fails to bring up the case just last year where US MP’s arrested a Korean citizen under false pretenses…

    Uh, cause it didn’t happen on the subway?

  • Setnaffa
    5:09 pm on February 3rd, 2013 11

    AFAIK, Tom is a white guy who got burned by a Hostess he married and brought back to Amarillo…

    But the point is there used to be a way to deal with these dipsticks that can’t figure out when to play nice and when to be a jackass. You put their whole company on KP or the like. But we can’t because the KP jobs are all civilian contractors. That’s just Bovine Scatology dreamed up by some REMF lieutenant with an MBA shoved up his hindquarters and an exaggerated sense of self-worth.

    And all of these PTSD cases are symptoms of their damned “cost-savings”, too. We wouldn’t have needed this long if Bush hadn’t been a squishy RINO. But now the Democrats are doing to the Active Duty GIs what Mayor Nagin did to the “Chocolate City” school buses and the folks at the Convention Center during Katrina…

    Four combat tours is a lot of psychological pressure and it can’t be released in the 24 hours it takes to go from combat to the mall– or even 24 weeks. Some WW2 Vets still have “moments”.

    We’re setting our best and brightest men and women up to fail…

  • Setnaffa
    5:10 pm on February 3rd, 2013 12

    Yeah I’m sad about Kyle and Littlefield.

  • jim
    5:11 pm on February 3rd, 2013 13

    6, i’m willing to bet that 6300 koreans act up on the subway each day, not reported due to being acceptable korean behavior.

  • Baek In-je
    6:27 pm on February 3rd, 2013 14

    If you are going to get into trouble on the subway, line #1 is defnetly the place. Loads of older Korean men just waiting to call a foreigner on his behavior.
    That being said, if you have a problem with a Korean on any subway, go to the next car; Koreans will not follow you.

  • Tom
    6:57 pm on February 3rd, 2013 15

    Excuses excuses and more excuses! Blame it all on Koreans again! NOT GOOD ENOUGH, GI’s!

    Just once, just once, I would like to see you guys admit you did wrong without an excuse or blaming of Koreans. :roll:

    Yangkee go home!

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:24 pm on February 3rd, 2013 16

    15. Don’t you mean Yankee COME home?

  • Tom
    7:31 pm on February 3rd, 2013 17

    How about Yangkee go die? :lol:

  • MTB Rider
    7:36 pm on February 3rd, 2013 18

    15.

    Considering how I’ve seen drunken Korean ajussis behaving on the Subway, Tom, I would think you would be complementing the GIs for adapting to Korean Culture! Sexually Harassing women on trains almost seems to be the National Sport!

    Did you let your substitute know he did a poor job representing you for the past week? It’s up to YOU to hire good trolls when you go on vacation or whatever. That guy (those guys?) really dropped the ball. :sad:

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:43 pm on February 3rd, 2013 19

    17. Don’t you mean Yankee COME die?

  • warrior6
    8:46 pm on February 3rd, 2013 20

    Foreign soldiers on Korean soil, no foreign soldiers on USA soil? no sexual/violent/gang rape of American women by foreign soldiers?? no foreign soldiers on USA soil occupying acres of prime real estate land? ROK is size of state of Indiana in land area. These soldiers are truly America’s Best. GI Korea( EM?) , I just love the way you defend these bottom of the barrel Americans who barely made it through high school, the ONLY JOB they can be qualified for is US MILITARY – GED and low ASVAB scores. :mrgreen:

  • warrior6
    9:30 pm on February 3rd, 2013 21

    Foreign soldiers on Korean soil since 1953 ( 60 years of US occupation army ), no foreign soldiers on USA soil? no sexual/violent/gang rape of American women by foreign soldiers?? no foreign soldiers on USA soil occupying acres of prime real estate land? ROK is size of state of Indiana in land area with pop of 51 million people and you wonder WHY they are pissed off at USFK?? These soldiers are truly America’s Best. Ugly Americans who barely made it through high school, the ONLY JOB they are qualified for is US MILITARY – GED and low ASVAB scores. Sanctimonious Hypocrites!

  • Tankboy
    9:45 pm on February 3rd, 2013 22

    If only there was some place GIs could go to drink, listen to loud music and act crazy that was walking distance from home where they could be looked after without getting into trouble and where any bad behavior wouldn’t cause an international incident.

    If that is not practical, lowering the curfew by an hour should solve the problem.

  • Tankboy
    9:57 pm on February 3rd, 2013 23

    Hey Warrior6, the same thing happens in America. We just act like adults about it.

    http://news.yahoo.com/bail-1-22m-saudi-sergeant-vegas-rape-case-183529762.html

  • warrior6
    10:15 pm on February 3rd, 2013 24

    Tankboy – treadhead ( 72nd armor? ) so there is foreign soldiers occupying US soil???? foreign soldiers running amok on US soil??? foreign soldiers raping, running over little school girls, beating,mutilating,stealing,destroying private/public property of US citizens?? i can go on and on… you are truly America’s Best. CRUSADERS – yeah right.

  • johnhenry
    10:55 pm on February 3rd, 2013 25

    The cops are actually doing something about sexual harassment on the trains? I find that highly doubtful.

  • Helix The Cat
    11:09 pm on February 3rd, 2013 26

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/02/04/2013020400953.html They were black and it was north of Seoul.

    24- What are you blabbing about?

  • Helix The Cat
    11:11 pm on February 3rd, 2013 27

    20- Are you a real estate agent or just another knucklehead?

  • bmw
    11:30 pm on February 3rd, 2013 28

    anyone have link to the video…can not find it

  • Jimbob
    12:47 am on February 4th, 2013 29

    @26, he’s doing just that – babbling. Pay him no attention.

  • hardyandtiny
    2:11 am on February 4th, 2013 30

    “Well…U.S.Military is where poor losers or stupid kids who couldn’t go to college join. Of course not all of them are like that, but most of them are like that.”

    Whoa, wait a second, you forgot all the people who went to college, couldn’t get a job after college, and then joined the military.
    And why are you using the word “that” at the end of a sentence, smarty pants?

  • hardyandtiny
    2:15 am on February 4th, 2013 31

    “Uh, cause it didn’t happen on the subway?”

    Good old Leon Laporte! How ya doing these days?

  • hardyandtiny
    2:23 am on February 4th, 2013 32

    warrior6, why doesn’t the South Korean government ask the UN to remove its armed forces?

  • Leon LaPorte
    2:33 am on February 4th, 2013 33

    Warrior6 – you might want to investigate that Luftwaffe base before you start spouting about no foreign soldiers on US soil.

    Howdy H&T.

  • Tom
    4:00 am on February 4th, 2013 34

    Helix the Cat, unfortunately two of them were whites, and both of them ran away. So there goes that theory. :lol:

  • korean
    4:54 am on February 4th, 2013 35

    I am so sad to hear that news when I was watching the Tv. On my view site as korean is that the Us soliders are doing well and be deserved good enough present from Korean citizen. Whenever I have seen a lot of us army on the no.1 line of surbway, majority of us soliders were wearing the headphone as inside of train is so loud which come from drunken korean or just anoying korean. maybe there are bunch of thing to make us between Korean and Us solder stay away each other. however, I have strongly believed that we can proved once more as we are good friends If we try to open mind. I hope….

  • Paul K
    4:56 am on February 4th, 2013 36

    Just put them in Korean prison for 10 years or so and make every group of incoming soldiers tour the jail when they come in-country. I don’t know if it will help but it can’t hurt.
    22: That’s sarcasm right? Dongduchon is right outside the gate of Casey. And lowering the curfew would not have helped since the incident happened at 930pm. I’m hoping for sarcasm

  • guitard
    5:01 am on February 4th, 2013 37

    Telling another fat lie, Tom wrote:

    This was on Korean news. Someone recorded the whole misbehavior by these monkeys on his smartphone and handed it over to the media. :lol: The video shows the US GI’s acting crazy, dancing, singing, and all the Korean passengers moving away from the car, and to the next car. All except one girl who politely asks them to stop. The GI’s get p*ssed off and starts cussing at her calling her names and starts whistling and laughing at her, then starts touching her in the private parts making sexual innuendos like copulating from behind her.

    Tom — you can’t even tell a convincing lie. Are you good at anything??

    The video you describe does not exist.

  • Tom
    5:07 am on February 4th, 2013 38

    Just look at these disrespectful retards. This is your typical US soldier in Korea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peVRvN05cX4

    Monkeys that they are. Well, if you don’t want to be called monkeys, then don’t act like one.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    5:13 am on February 4th, 2013 39

    I have to wonder if @24 is who he says he is? If he has so much experience in the US military how does he not know there are thousands or foreign soldiers in the US either training at US military schools, on an exchange assignment in a US unit, or permanently stationed in one their bases in the US? The Germans have two bases that I know of; the German Air Force Tactical Training Center in New Mexico and their Air Defense School in Texas. The Singapore Air Force has flight training squadrons at three locations in the US. Anyone else know of other foreign bases in the US.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    5:31 am on February 4th, 2013 40

    @38- You know I already linked to that YouTube video in the posting?

    Also I just posted an update to this story at the top of the posting.

  • Leon LaPorte
    5:47 am on February 4th, 2013 41

    Soldiers with a boom box? I can’t remember the last time I saw one, let alone saw anyone walking around with one.

    Obviously USFK must now make the subway off limits.

  • Tom
    5:55 am on February 4th, 2013 42

    “@38- You know I already linked to that YouTube video in the posting? ”

    I know. That’s where I got it from. Thanks. You got anymore like that I can use? :lol:

  • tbonetylr
    6:22 am on February 4th, 2013 43

    Compressed digital audio and the future of boomboxes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boombox
    “Some modern boombox designs provide other connections for MP3 (and sometimes other digital formats) such as a USB connector for use with a removable USB drive, slots for various flash memory media such as SD, MMC, SmartMedia and Memory Stick, or even a CD drive capable of reading MP3s directly from a CD, thus allowing for a relatively cheap and large music storage to be carried and played back at full volume.

    From mid 2010 there are new lines of boomboxes that use Bluetooth technology known as Stereo Bluetooth, or A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile). They use the wireless Bluetooth technology to “stream” audio to the boombox from a compatible Bluetooth device, such as a mobile phone or Bluetooth MP3 player. An example of this is the JAMBOX, which is marketed as a “Smart Speaker” because it can also function as a speakerphone for voice calls in addition to being an audio playback device.
    Another modern variant is a DVD player/boombox with a top-loading CD/DVD drive and an LCD video screen in the position once occupied by a cassette deck.[37] Many models of this type of boombox include inputs for external video (such as television broadcasts) and outputs to connect the DVD player to a full-sized television.”

  • guitard
    6:58 am on February 4th, 2013 44

    Tom wrote:

    “@38- You know I already linked to that YouTube video in the posting? ”

    I know. That’s where I got it from. Thanks. You got anymore like that I can use?

    How about using the video that you said was on Korean news. You know – they one that someone recorded on his smartphone and handed it over to the media that shows the GIs acting crazy, dancing, singing . . . and cussing at the Korean girl and calling her names and touching her in the private parts making and sexual innuendos like copulating from behind her.

    Prove that you you’re not a liar and post that link. Or just admit that you lied.

  • Bob
    7:23 am on February 4th, 2013 45

    I don’t doubt this bad behavior at all. Just go to that club with the Russian name in Itaewon, when it let’s out at midnite or 1 AM. (Not sure when it closes) It’s all black GI’s and their behavior is completely animalistic. It was the same back in the 80′s. Same type GI’s making the same problems. Yes, I was stationed there. (Western Corridor) I have no axe to grind. It’s just my first hand observation of what went on.

  • johnhenry
    2:34 pm on February 4th, 2013 46

    26: This paragraph in the link you provided shows why Korean journalism is no such thing:

    “U.S. Forces Korea personnel enjoy a degree of impunity since the U.S. side has jurisdiction over them, though a recent revision of the Status of Forces Agreement gives Korean law enforcement greater powers in case of major crimes.”

    It’s false. In this incident, as always has been the case for offenses committed off-duty and off-base, the Korean civilian authorities have primary jurisdiction over the soldiers involved.

  • Onezime
    5:58 pm on February 4th, 2013 47

    #38,
    Wow, a couple of kids who had a few too many not bothering anyone. How can this have not made front page news?

    This is nothing like what those 6 have been accused of doing.

  • Onezime
    6:02 pm on February 4th, 2013 48

    #18,

    Six guys ganging up on a woman is nothing to make light of. What if it had been your wife or girlfriend, or maybe your sister? Yeah, not so effing funny now, eh?

  • Tankboy
    7:51 pm on February 4th, 2013 49

    The last time an African American and a Korean had a conflict, the Korean got thrown in front of a subway. That effectively ended the argument New York style.

  • Jake
    8:12 pm on February 4th, 2013 50

    To shake this thread:

    More alleged abuse victims of Korean surface

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2pnblqdRVA

  • Jake
    8:18 pm on February 4th, 2013 51

    More here:

    Lots of Koreans treating Southeast Asians like ssshit

    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/03/19/12/hanjin-labor-abuse-caught-cam

    Abuse is not an American monopoly

  • Jake
    8:32 pm on February 4th, 2013 52

    Last one since this is really off topic, but you get my jist

    http://www.interaksyon.com/article/54334/drunk-korean-national-arrested-for-strangling-traffic-enforcer-in-pasay

  • jim
    8:43 pm on February 4th, 2013 53

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xF0f-4Qkyg

  • jim
    8:56 pm on February 4th, 2013 54

    if there’s anything on youtube, i haven’t seen it. plenty of korean on korean molestation videos, though.

    지하철 성추행

  • Onezime
    8:57 pm on February 4th, 2013 55

    #51,52,53,

    What’s that got to do with the subway incident? So, next time an American is victimized by a foreigner, it’s okay to bring up all the nasty stuff some Americans do while abroad? Kind of a vicious circle, don’t you think?

  • Onezime
    8:59 pm on February 4th, 2013 56

    #53,

    That video is crap. There’s a woman there, but it looks as if she knows the guys. There aren’t any CCTV cameras inside subway cars?

  • guitard
    9:01 pm on February 4th, 2013 57

    jim wrote:

    if there’s anything on youtube, i haven’t seen it.

    But . . . but . . . but . . . Tom said ~~

    Someone recorded the whole misbehavior by these monkeys on his smartphone and handed it over to the media. The video shows the US GI’s acting crazy, dancing, singing, and all the Korean passengers moving away from the car, and to the next car. All except one girl who politely asks them to stop. The GI’s get p*ssed off and starts cussing at her calling her names and starts whistling and laughing at her, then starts touching her in the private parts making sexual innuendos like copulating from behind her.

    And Tom never lies . . . so there must be video out there showing every last little sordid detail.

  • jim
    9:28 pm on February 4th, 2013 58

    55/56, the video in 53 is so far the only thing on youtube i’ve found regarding the actual incident. still waiting on a subway car cctv or user-submitted video from the event.

  • Jake
    9:33 pm on February 4th, 2013 59

    Since it is CCTV, do you think the Korean government will actually upload it?

    I think they only upload Kpop

  • Jake
    9:36 pm on February 4th, 2013 60

    Jim,

    that video looks like a man being dragged by men. The uploader must have uploaded the wrong video

  • jim
    10:44 pm on February 4th, 2013 61

    60, that’s SBS’s news coverage. from the report, the soldiers were detained by korean civilians until the police arrived.

  • Leon LaPorte
    11:24 pm on February 4th, 2013 62

    53. Nice U-Turn!

    It’s kinda hard to tell who is with who and who is shoving who on the video.

  • Jake
    2:12 am on February 5th, 2013 63

    They don’t have the video of the supposedly caught on tape sexual assault?

    There needs to be a video on the alleged sexual assault, not the “aftermath”. Or maybe, they can’t produce one.

  • Paul K
    2:58 am on February 5th, 2013 64

    Maybe they have not released the video because there is an investigation ongoing. Maybe the video is exactly what everyone thinks and the ROK/US are trying to come up with some sort of response before it is released and everyone goes crazy. Maybe the video has nothing on it and they are just stirring the pot.
    The sad fact of the matter is that when I read this story, video or not, I totally believe it. This sounds like the sort of dumbass behavior I expect for US soldiers in Korea.
    And before I get the hate, I’m currently on my second tour, first time was up at Casey.

  • guitard
    3:46 am on February 5th, 2013 65

    Paul K wrote:

    The sad fact of the matter is that when I read this story, video or not, I totally believe it. This sounds like the sort of dumbass behavior I expect for US soldiers in Korea. I’m currently on my second tour, first time was up at Casey.

    You are a soldier – presumably at least an NCO by now since you’ve had multiple tours in Korea.

    You say you expect this kind of behavior from soldiers?? What are you doing to try and put a stop to this sort of thing?

  • Paul K
    3:59 am on February 5th, 2013 66

    I tried to personally escort every soldier when they were off post but there were way to many.
    You mean other than say variations on, “don’t break the law” or “don’t be a dumbass” or “be an ambassador of the US” or “take pride in your unit” or “if you feel like you are going to do something stupid just go home”. You mean other than that?
    You’re right though, I should be more diligent. When I was on CPP back in ’10 and those two idiots flipped a car in the ville it was my fault because I didn’t tell them as they were going out of the gate, “Now boys, make sure you don’t flip any cars tonight!”

  • guitard
    4:18 am on February 5th, 2013 67

    I guess it’s just a lot easier minding your own business, huh? Why bother right? It’s easier just being another apathetic POS for a soldier with no sense of pride in leadership or responsibility for fellow soldiers. Others are that way . . . why not me too?

  • Paul K
    4:32 am on February 5th, 2013 68

    You should read my comment. I really do tell them those things.

    I get it though, obvious troll is obvious and I missed it.

  • Tankboy
    5:06 am on February 5th, 2013 69

    I agree with Paul K. I expect this behavior. It isn’t completely some young dumb private’s fault that he went out to party but nobody bothered to show him how. Curfews and lectures are not leadership. They just make a show. With all the hassle and potential hassle in areas where CP is supposed to be looking out for you, who wants to stick around there when you want to play hard after working hard. We need real leadership by example but it is discouraged. What NCO wants to risk their career by taking everyone out to party under his watchful eye and show them the ropes and keep them out of trouble and guide them into good habits? Now there are a lot of guys who made NCO who never even got shown the ropes and wouldn’t know where to begin. I guess the best answer is more useless training and a 9 o’clock curfew. That will show how proactive everyone is and it will hopefully hold until the next change of command and then it is the next guy’s problem.

  • Jake
    4:00 pm on February 5th, 2013 70

    Paul,

    Why then bother to release a video showing a few men being mobbed by men? To to show something and say: “Hey we have evidence” and what they show is not even evidence of the supposed crime?

    Fail.

  • Brothers Smothers
    4:07 pm on February 5th, 2013 71

    70- I’ve seen bigger brawls on the subway between ajumma over an open seat or an open spot on an elevator.

  • Jack
    4:17 pm on February 5th, 2013 72

    Looks like the soldiers were trying to pull another soldier out of the hands of the Koreans trying to detain him. I’m really surprised punches weren’t thrown.

  • Onezime
    5:05 pm on February 5th, 2013 73

    #72,

    That is nothing like the case in 2002, though.

  • Setnaffa
    5:51 pm on February 5th, 2013 74

    It’s not like this, either… http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2000/U-S-Officer-Stabbed-in-S-Korea/id-95d6282e394f0aa46a60b2e265e5835c

  • Tom
    8:06 am on February 6th, 2013 75

    More update from the USFK military propaganda ministry.

    http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/bad-behavior-in-the-pacific/us-soldiers-accused-of-sexually-harassing-korean-woman-1.206441

    :lol: I love the angry comments of Koreans are doing it too so it’s OK to act like animals in Korea.

    Disgusting. Just disgusting animals.

  • Tom
    8:09 am on February 6th, 2013 76

    #74, you got anything recent? What about this?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/06/nyc-subway-push/1750401/

  • guitard
    9:18 am on February 6th, 2013 77

    Tom wrote:

    I love the angry comments of Koreans are doing it too so it’s OK to act like animals in Korea.

    Disgusting. Just disgusting animals.

    I love the fact that angry Canadians like you come to this forum and make bald face lies about seeing video that doesn’t exist.

    So where is this video Tom? Where’s the link? You know – the one you said shows this:

    Someone recorded the whole misbehavior by these monkeys on his smartphone and handed it over to the media. The video shows the US GI’s acting crazy, dancing, singing, and all the Korean passengers moving away from the car, and to the next car. All except one girl who politely asks them to stop. The GI’s get p*ssed off and starts cussing at her calling her names and starts whistling and laughing at her, then starts touching her in the private parts making sexual innuendos like copulating from behind her.

    Tom . . . the pathetic Canadian 왕따 strikes again . . . but in typical fashion just gets caught in another lie.

  • TMK
    1:06 pm on February 6th, 2013 78

    Nice to see that ROK Drop takes the side of the soldiers, not the assaulted woman. Stay classy and misogynist, guys!

  • Flunky Brewster
    2:04 pm on February 6th, 2013 79

    78- Everyone is waiting for proof of the accusations. We haven’t seen any proof, yet. If you have been paying attention you would realize by now that the Korean media is not to be trusted.

  • Flunky Brewster
    2:07 pm on February 6th, 2013 80

    77- Tom is trying to bait posters into making extreme comments which will then be reposted on anti-foreigner websites in Korea and China. He has as much credibility as shithouse lawyer.

  • fe52999g
    3:49 pm on February 6th, 2013 81

    Tankboy, diaff cretin

  • Tankboy
    5:30 pm on February 6th, 2013 82

    Diaff? Your displeasure is clear. How about explaining why.

  • jeff
    7:33 pm on February 6th, 2013 83

    This
    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2013/02/182_130123.html

  • Tom
    7:40 pm on February 6th, 2013 84

    I see that the American media is going berserk over that dog feces shooting in America. :lol:

    I say good on the Korean guy shooting them dead. That’s the American way to resolve problems. Hey… as you guys keep saying.. when in Rome…

  • kangaji
    8:01 pm on February 6th, 2013 85

    #80 – errrr… what websites? Have not seen evidence of this…

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    8:24 pm on February 6th, 2013 86

    @78- Please explain how waiting for more facts to materialize makes me a misogynists? Especially when I have documented in the past where the Korean media has about as much creditibility as Tom. I am still waiting for him to post the supposed video he saw of the incident. I look forward to your response it should be entertaining.

  • Tom
    8:33 pm on February 6th, 2013 87

    ha ha ha.. The American commander has apologized and says he’s deeply ashamed of what happened, and vowed to investigate the soldiers who were immediately handed over to the US military right after the attempted kidnapping of the Korean woman. The Korean woman is 20 years old, and she says she asked them to stop with a “please”. Guilty as charged, the USFK commander apologized for the behavior of his wild farm animals running amok in Korea. :lol:

    GI Korea’s attitude is funny because he’s been burned many times before, excusing his buddies, but later the charges get proven. Remember the incident involving the US MP’s beating on the South Korean citizens for parking in front of his own property?

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    8:34 pm on February 6th, 2013 88

    @75- I like how the Korean media reports that the soldiers groped her while in the S&S the Korean police say a soldier may have touched her breast. Big difference. Something else of interest in the S&S article is that the police say the soldiers dragged the woman out of the subway car. Why would they drag the woman out if the car?

    I would not be surprised if the woman got pushed out of the car during an altercation between the soldiers and other passengers intervening.

  • guitard
    8:41 pm on February 6th, 2013 89

    Tom wrote:

    ha ha ha.. The American commander has apologized and says he’s deeply ashamed of what happened, and vowed to investigate the soldiers who were immediately handed over to the US military right after the attempted kidnapping of the Korean woman. The Korean woman is 20 years old, and she says she asked them to stop with a “please”. Guilty as charged, the USFK commander apologized for the behavior of his wild farm animals running amok in Korea. :lol:

    GI Korea’s attitude is funny because he’s been burned many times before, excusing his buddies, but later the charges get proven. Remember the incident involving the US MP’s beating on the South Korean citizens for parking in front of his own property?

    The only thing that has been proven so far is that you are bald face liar.

    Once again Tom – where is the video??

    Either admit (once again) that you are a liar – or shut the fu¢k up.

  • Brothers Smothers
    8:59 pm on February 6th, 2013 90

    Has anyone seen any video or pictures to prove that there was an actual “boom box” involved?

  • kangaji
    9:02 pm on February 6th, 2013 91

    I think this is a case of some knuckleheads out of AIT in 2ID drinking underage (they are 20, so legal in Korea but not on base) and getting on line 1 making some bad decisions.

    http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LPOD&mid=tvh&oid=057&aid=0000209183

    You can clearly see them being dragged out and jumping the subway marker. Anyway, according to the Korean news reports (different ones) the girl told them they were being too loud playing their music and one of them grabbed her so she called 119 and the other passengers corraborated her story with the police. She was trying to take a picture of what was going on at the time. Apparently one of them was a PV2. The Korean police obviously identified them and got testimony and it looks like the jumping part is three of them fleeing the scene. I just don’t think this one is going to turn out well for USFK at all from what I’m seeing and the consistency of the reports.

  • kangaji
    9:07 pm on February 6th, 2013 92

    I think the boom box thing is BS though. Also why does one of the soldiers have headphones on?

  • kangaji
    9:19 pm on February 6th, 2013 93

    The last name of one of them is a 20 year old named “Arthur” so there should be a subway incident involving a PV2 named Arthur, 20 years old, in second infantry division coming up on the blotter somewhere.

  • kangaji
    9:22 pm on February 6th, 2013 94

    No no… Chosun article was right, they were taking pictures of her and touching her according to the reports… but I still haven’t found any articles in Korean mentioning a boom box.

  • guitard
    11:36 pm on February 6th, 2013 95

    What is your source of info for one of them being named “Arthur?”

    Also, keep in mind that Arthur could also be a first name. He could have said, “My name is Arthur Smith,” and the Korean who heard it might have been thinking he was saying it Korean style (family name first).

  • kangaji
    12:05 am on February 7th, 2013 96

    http://www.mt.co.kr/view/mtview.php?type=1&no=2013020322440556133&outlink=1
    http://www.anewsa.com/detail.php?number=450450&thread=09r02

    Everybody’s quoting the same source as their own but I’m not sure which one is the original:

    지난 2일 오후 9시15분쯤 주한미군2사단 소속 아서(Arthur·20) 등 미군 6명은 인천행 지하철 1호선 전동차 안에서 음악을 크게 틀어놓고 춤을 추는 등 소란을 부렸다. 전동차에 있던 20세 여성 A씨는 아서 등에게 “공공장소에서 조용히 하라”고 요청했다. 아서 일행은 오히려 A씨의 신체부위 여러 곳을 몇 분간 주무르고 사진을 찍었다.

  • Tom
    5:47 am on February 7th, 2013 97

    #91 :lol: The news is about the USFK, but the subtitle says two Vietnamese found dead in a container that caught fire. :lol: The interviewed person is one of the eyewitness who says the UNITED STATES FORCES KOREA American soldiers started touching and molesting her. Of course there will be people here who will say he’s lying and the girl is lying, but you won’t be able to block the truth. They do stuff that they would never do at home.

  • chilsungcider
    5:51 am on February 7th, 2013 98

    Oh for god’s sake, it doesn’t take much for Koreans to look at foreigners chatting and laughing together in their own language and turn it into ‘disrespect’ and ‘assault’. I’m not surprised the allegedly guilty party are black soldiers because many Koreans are ready to double their nosey and aggressive provocation when the foreigner is dark skinned.

    I’m not military and I think everybody should stop being so quick to accept such reports as facevalue as I’ve seen Koreans firsthand get outta control to show the waygugs that ‘this is Korea and you do what I tell you’.

    I’ve experienced Koreans at such non party places as Costco watch foreigners get verbally attacked and pushed over nothing more than standing up to another Korean who was physically aggressive towards them as they wanted to grab the food samples by of course trying to make the foreigner get outta the way.

    Koreans don’t and won’t take the side of a foreigner doing nothing or little wrong as a rule. Black foreigners enjoying themselves seem the first target for Koreans who hate the fact that there are more foreigners these days in Korea.

    Most Koreans can’t be mature about it by accepting that they damn well go where they like around the world but don’t want a foreigner presence in Korea. The female who got physically involved by blocking their exist was and is a moron.

    If she really felt justified by complaining about these soldiers she should have just called the police on her phone and let them do their job.

    Instead she crossed the line and of course got in the way of these men who couldn’t have helped touching her in some way as they tried to get past her. Maybe those soldiers were too loud but yet again we probably have the Korean resentment and racism coming to the fore.

  • Tom
    6:34 am on February 7th, 2013 99

    #98 sure sure, you see what you want to see. :roll:

    How about if group of six Koreans go on a New York train and start touching white woman’s breast and bottom while dancing to the beat, making sexual remarks, and laughing and enjoying all the way? I’m sure there won’t be any excuses for them, then. :roll:

  • guitard
    7:59 am on February 7th, 2013 100

    Tom blathered on by saying:

    #98 sure sure, you see what you want to see.

    You mean like that video that you said you saw?

    I’m referring to the one you described this way:

    Tom wrote: Someone recorded the whole misbehavior by these monkeys on his smartphone and handed it over to the media. The video shows the US GI’s acting crazy, dancing, singing, and all the Korean passengers moving away from the car, and to the next car. All except one girl who politely asks them to stop. The GI’s get p*ssed off and starts cussing at her calling her names and starts whistling and laughing at her, then starts touching her in the private parts making sexual innuendos like copulating from behind her.

    Why do you keep coming back into this thread and not posting the link?? Where is this video? Post the link.

    Is this too difficult for you to understand? It’s very simple: either post the link – or shut the fu¢k up.

    Or are you lying again and afraid to admit it??

  • Tom
    8:49 am on February 7th, 2013 101

    The video is there. You can’t see the video? Are you blind? :lol:

  • guitard
    9:05 am on February 7th, 2013 102

    Tom continues to perpetuate his lie by saying:

    The video is there. You can’t see the video? Are you blind? :lol:

    It looks like the Canadian 왕따 is curling up in the dark corner of a closet to try and hide from the truth.

  • Onezime
    10:11 am on February 7th, 2013 103

    #87,

    You sound happy the assault happened. Do you realize how disgusting that makes you?

  • Smokes
    11:06 am on February 7th, 2013 104

    I can’t believe you all still pay any attention to Tom; he’s not a real Korean, he’s not in Korea, he all the way in Canada and unless he’s going to provide up-to-the-minute NHL news he’s pretty useless.

    He’s not even funny; Laporte’s much funnier.

  • Smokes
    11:11 am on February 7th, 2013 105

    Heh has it really come to this?:
    http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/bad-behavior-in-the-pacific

    S&S has an offical section for this foolishness now.

  • My 2 Cents
    12:27 pm on February 7th, 2013 106

    If GI Korea wanted to return to being a top-notch blog he would just delete any comment by Tom/socks that wasn’t funny or didn’t have a semi-valid point.

    I have to scroll through pages of his idiotic comments and equally idiotic responses to find increasingly rare gems of humor or information. When I look back at old comments from past years, there are some brilliant observations and entertaining debates. Now it is mostly idiots responding to Tom while intelligent and thoughtful commenters write less and less. Unlike Tom’s purposeful stupidity, intelligent comments mostly get no response, discouraging any time being put into a thoughtful comment.

    ROK Drop has lost its way because everyone has encouraged Tom to push it off its tracks and GI Korea has allowed it.

    I abhor censorship but Tom long ago passed the point where he is yelling fire in a crowded theater.

  • melmel
    3:18 am on February 8th, 2013 107

    How about that’s not what happen at all! Yes they were playing their music loud, yes she asked them to turn it down but they complied. They went to get off the train and then were GRABBED from behind by a bunch of Koreans, when the soldiers tried to get the men and women off of them one of their hands accidently grazed the womans breast as usual here, totally blown out of proportion! No one tried to drag the woman off the train. By the way there’s video from the train to back this up! I’m in Uijeongbu right and so sick of the media in Korea being so dramatic and out right lying in some cases. Yes there’s a few bad apples but guess what there’s a few bad apples everywhere and if it weren’t for America thered be no south Korea.

  • Tom
    5:31 am on February 8th, 2013 108

    #107, here we go again. Translation: Koreans should put up with all the GI shinanigans because if they don’t, they are being “ungrateful” to the United States.

    It’s always the same thing over and over. :x

    I thought you guys are going to be leaving Korea soon. When is that going to happen again?

  • kangaji
    9:13 am on February 8th, 2013 109

    What I’m trying to figure out is if they did nothing wrong besides playing music loudly:

    1. Why did three of them evade capture by the police and jump the entry/exit gates to the subway?

    2. Why do the Korean eyewitnesses and the woman maintain that she was touched inappropriately (including an eyewitness calling into the news report on the video)?

    You don’t jump the subway gate and flee the police if you’re as compliant as Melmel says.

  • Smokes
    9:19 am on February 8th, 2013 110

    Sure why run? The justice system here is pretty fair and there’s no chance of getting rail-roaded by the ever willing group of concerned citizens.

    -_-

  • Tom
    9:32 am on February 8th, 2013 111

    #110 Justice system is pretty fair. Those soldiers were turned over to your military command, ahole. The ones who were left holding the bag is the Korean female victim who was groped and disrespected by a group of monkeys out of control.

  • Kevin
    10:54 am on February 8th, 2013 112

    Even if an innocent person is being held against their will or being chased by a possible lynch mob, I’m not sure I’d wait around for the police here either.

  • kangaji
    12:45 pm on February 8th, 2013 113

    #104 and #112: I’m sure after successfully executing their SERE training someone is writing them a meritorious service medal for Achievement #1: evading 4 ajummas. Achievement #2: Outrunning 2 angry drunk ajeossis Achievement #3: Jumping two subway gates and climbing up 800 meters of subway stairs while being chased by the police
    #4: Leading the MPs to retrieve their 3 illegally detained comrades from a heavily fortified police box guarded by 20 well motivated elite police officerss of Subway line #1 in keeping with the finest traditions of the warrior ethos.

  • kangaji
    12:47 pm on February 8th, 2013 114

    Meant #110 [smokes]

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:04 pm on February 8th, 2013 115

    106. I hear you. My scroll finger has a blister on it. On longer threads I even get a little winded from all the scrolling. We could save all this unnecessary scrolling by eliminating comments all together!

  • guitard
    6:55 pm on February 8th, 2013 116

    Tom wrote:

    #110 Justice system is pretty fair.

    Ha~! The Canadian 왕따 who has never lived in Korea actually expects people to believe he knows about the Korean justice system as it relates to the prosecution of foreigners.

    Hey 왕따 – we’re still waiting on the link to the video you said you saw. Where is it?

  • Tom
    7:16 pm on February 8th, 2013 117

    Bend over and I’ll show it to you. :lol:

  • My 2 Cents
    9:47 pm on February 8th, 2013 118

    Leon, of course I can scroll with the best of them. The trouble is that Tom’s comments are killing quality comments. There is little to scroll for. Digging through an increasing number of turds to find a nugget of corn has taken much of the enjoyment out of reading through ROK Drop. As quality commenters have vanished or greatly reduced their number of comments over the last year, I probably am not speaking only for myself.

    Quite honestly, as one of the best writers and thinkers here, it has been quite a few months since you made an intelligent or clever comment on par with what you were regularly producing with just about everything you wrote in years past.

  • Baek In-je
    10:53 pm on February 8th, 2013 119

    Tom has a mental illness, like a vast majority of Koreans. The amount of time Tom spends as a troll on this site is enormous. Seriously, that isn’t normal. I have seen this happen on other sites where there is a Korean netizen there to disrupt the blog, but this is really just bordering on insanity. Doesn’t be have any hobbies? Tom, have you ever even kissed a woman before?

    You know, I don’t even read Tom’s comments anymore, and I don’t read the replies to Tom’s comments. i really wish that he would be banned from the site and have his IP address banned. Can I get a second?

  • guitard
    11:05 pm on February 8th, 2013 120

    Tom is Canadian. And he has been banned before for making racist remarks.

  • Smokes
    2:20 am on February 9th, 2013 121

    The lesson I learned my first year in Korea was that don’t ever be involved to the point where you have to remain on the scene. Once you’ve gotten in deep enough where simply getting up and walking away isn’t an option you’re in too deep. This especially applies to trying to be a good samaritan because whatever your intent was it’ll be twisted to where you’ll end up being an accomplice to something worthy of a fine or worse. These days it’d take life threatening violence for me to get involved in anything here whether foreigners are involved or not because too many people will see dollar signs when they see me involved and will do whatever it takes to extort a fine out of me.

  • My 2 Cents
    3:00 am on February 9th, 2013 122

    I second the motion. Interesting topics with quality comments and thoughtful debate vanish from the sidebar as they are overrun by Tom’s idiocy and the idiots that respond to him with equal childishness or, worse, with troll-feeding anger.

    ROK Drop used to be THE place to go to get useful information and assistance, the real story behind the hype and a finger on the pulse of the military and civilian communites within USFK. The idiots that showed up were not professional trolls and they got shut down in amusing ways.

    For whatever personal or professional reason, Tom set out to destroy ROK Drop and has basically succeeded. The comment section has lost much of its status as a place to go for honest, if sometimes unfavorable, insight into USFK and Korea. It has been replaced with variations of “Tom is in Canada and is stupid”. Count the ratio of Tom-related to topic-related comments on current and similar past posts if you disagree.

    ROK Drop is no longer GI Korea’s Korea/military blog. It is The Tom Show with little factual information, no real humor and no actual point. It is GI’s blog and he may do as he wishes but if his readers have any sway over his opinion, I second the motion and I encourage other to voice their thoughts.

  • Glans
    4:53 am on February 9th, 2013 123

    When I was a new ROK dropper, I liked Tom because he kept the conversation moving. Then I got tired of his persistent negativity and dishonesty, so I stopped replying to him. Once in a while I comment about him, as now, but I think even this may be a mistake. GI Korea has said that permanently getting rid of Tom isn’t feasible.

  • Tom
    5:23 am on February 9th, 2013 124

    “Even if an innocent person is being held against their will or being chased by a possible lynch mob”

    Two Koreans vs six GI’s. That’s some lynch mob there.
    :roll: How about accepting responsibility for a change?

  • kangaji
    8:12 am on February 9th, 2013 125

    I’d rather give the benefit of the doubt to people who stop people from acting like jackasses on the subway than to people who act like jackasses on the subway. That’s because I have prejudice against people who act like jackasses on the subway, I guess. Make an EO complaint.

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:32 am on March 15th, 2013 126

    For all the naysayers: Soldiers will likely be punished twice (by the Koreans and the military). Any bets on which entity will hand out the more harsh penalty(ies)?

    While local authorities continue to investigate a subway incident in which a half-dozen U.S. soldiers were accused of harassing a Korean woman, the American military has started handing out its own punishment.

    The commander of the 2nd Infantry Division’s Headquarters and Headquarters Battalion imposed “non-judicial punishment” under Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice on two of the soldiers for underage drinking prior to the confrontation.

    That resulted in a reduction in rank for one soldier, and 45 days of extra duty and 45 days of restriction for both, according to a 2ID spokesman.

    The battalion commander is waiting for a final disposition of the case by Korean authorities before deciding what, if any, additional action will be taken against those two soldiers and the others implicated in the incident.

    “The 2nd Infantry Division takes soldier misconduct very seriously and will take appropriate action based on the results of the investigation,” 2ID spokesman Lt. Col. Joe Scrocca said.

    On Friday, Scrocca said the 2ID and officials from Gyeonggi Province are working together to develop a new “cultural awareness curriculum” for incoming 2nd Infantry Division troops on Korean laws and culture and the behavior expected of them, reinforcing “that they are ambassadors of the United States wherever they go, 24-hours a day, in or out of uniform, on or off post.”

    http://www.stripes.com/news/two-soldiers-punished-for-s-korean-subway-incident-1.211885

  • Smokes
    1:42 am on March 15th, 2013 127

    Are naysayers an offshoot of the knights who say ni?

  • Mongoose
    3:23 am on March 15th, 2013 128

    Well….American GIs are probably very horny because they are stuck inside walls of concertina wires for some duration of time. It is probably hard for them to make any contact with female kind. Jacking off simply isn’t enough for some.

  • guitard
    5:16 am on March 15th, 2013 129

    Mongoose wrote:

    Jacking off simply isn’t enough for some.

    어뗳게 알아?

  • Anthony Wilson
    12:39 am on July 25th, 2013 130

    So pathetic .. We should pull our troops..you ingrates

  • INNUCENT
    1:52 pm on August 7th, 2013 131

    WE DIDN’T DO DAT TRAIN SHIT

  • bj
    5:03 am on August 19th, 2013 132

    US soldiers regularly disgrace the US and the Army as they ride Line 1 drunk, cursing, yelling. Everyone stares at them. People move away from them. Yet they are too inebriated to notice. No one dares say anything in case they get violent (they already sound very belligerent. Happened just yesterday. I am a DoD civilian, and wish there was a way to ‘drop a dime’ on such unprofessional behavior. Public intoxication, and public profanity, and wouldn’t be tolerated in my hometown in the states…

  • ChickenHead
    9:19 am on August 19th, 2013 133

    If there was just some way they could be kept in Itaewon…

    …hmmm…

    …maybe more restrictions, more patrols, and an earlier curfew will solve the problem.

  • Merry
    12:22 pm on October 13th, 2013 134

    My 14 year old daughter was gang raped by three black teenagers who’s parents were soldiers at Yongson. The US military didn’t do much of anything to help. So we went to the Korean police. These 18 yr. olds were so insulting and smart-mouthed to the Korean police that they stood in shock at these thugs attitudes. The Koreans hoped to put them away for life, the sentence for raping a virgin, but we were transferred back to the US so there was no trial. The US military gave them 200 hours of community service.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:30 pm on October 13th, 2013 135

    @134- If the crime happened off post there is nothing the US military can do. Plus you said the crime was committed by 18 year old dependents, not soldiers which further limits what USFK can do. If the Koreans wanted to try them they could have prevented them from leaving the country. Is this the case you are referring to?

    http://rokdrop.com/2008/09/06/family-refuses-to-cooperate-with-rape-investigation/

  • Merry
    7:52 pm on October 13th, 2013 136

    No, we were in Yongson, near Dong Bu Ichon Dong. We were the ones who left the country as my husband was transferred.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    8:00 pm on October 13th, 2013 137

    If they did not leave the country the Korean authorities should have prosecuted them unless they did not have the evidence to do so.

  • Tom
    8:18 pm on October 13th, 2013 138

    “The US military didn’t do much of anything to help.”

    The US military don’t care until the story hits the Korean papers. Then the US military will start groveling to the Korean public, offering cooperation, and the Korean police will actually start to do their jobs. Until then, nobody will care if there’s no publicity.

 

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