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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on February 5th, 2013 at 2:55 am

Could A Korean General One Day Command US Troops?

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This latest news makes me wonder if we could see in the future a ROK military general HDTV a similar position?

FORT SHAFTER, Hawaii — Maj. Gen. Richard Burr salutes with his palm facing out, like he’s shielding his eyes from the sun. He wears a wide-brimmed felt “slouch hat” with a brown and green camouflage uniform.
The two-star general in the Australian Defence Force stands out amid the American soldiers donning berets and green and beige fatigues at the U.S. Army’s headquarters for the Pacific. But he’s responsible for directing their training and exercises as U.S. Army Pacific’s deputy commander for operations. The Army is also making Burr their liaison to New Zealand, his homeland Australia and countries in Southeast Asia.
Burr’s appointment — it’s the first time a non-American has served in such a high-ranking position at a command like this — symbolizes the Army’s push to connect more with allies and friendly nations in the Pacific as it implements the Obama administration’s policy to “rebalance” national defense strategy toward the region.
Burr reports to Lt. Gen. Francis Wiercinski, a three-star general and U.S. Army Pacific’s top commander since 2011. Wiercinski is responsible for most U.S. soldiers in the region, except those in South Korea. [Stars and Stripes]

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  • Leon LaPorte
    2:20 am on February 5th, 2013 1

    Though the Canadian government was stated to be neutral with regards to the Iraq War, many Canadians fought in Iraq under exchange with the U.S. military.

    In 2007 Queen Elizabeth II presented U.S. Marine Major William D. Chesarek Jr. with the Distinguished Flying Cross for his actions in 2006 as an exchange officer flying British helicopters in Iraq.

    The United States Navy guided missile destroyer USS Winston S. Churchill has a Royal Navy officer permanently assigned to her crew. The Royal Navy frigate, HMS Marlborough, had a US Navy officer permanently stationed aboard in return until she was decommissioned in July 2005.

    The Canadian Forces places an officer as Deputy Commanding General of the US Army’s III Corps, a formation similar in size to the entire Canadian military. Former Chief of Defence Staff Rick Hillier, and the current Chief of the Defence Staff, Walter Natynczyk, both took part in this exchange prior to being appointed Chief of the Defence Staff of Canada.

    After invading Iraq, GySgt Brad Colbert went on to serve with the Royal Marines for two years.

    I see a certain commonality here which would not match the pattern of Koreans fulfilling similar functions.

  • Baek In-je
    3:00 am on February 5th, 2013 2

    I would resign rather than be subjected to a General Ajosshi as a commander. Imagine that: he would not care one damn about the lives of the American troops, putting their safety behind that of korean troops.

  • 2ID Doc
    3:18 am on February 5th, 2013 3

    The 2ID, even before it was gutted by the whims of the generals & SOFA agreements was considered a “speedbump” between the DMZ & Seoul. Now it’s not even that with nothing but a reinforced brigade left. Is there even a ROK unit between the DMZ & Seoul on MSR1? If I understand correctly, all the old Western Corridor US Army posts are abandoned or have been repurposed by civilians. I can see the order now, “US Army spread out across the peninsila in front of Seoul, the ROK Army will defend Cheju Island.”

  • JoeC
    3:41 am on February 5th, 2013 4

    In response to the question proposed at the head of this post there are a few thing that would mitigate against it.

    * Language and cultural differences

    One of those differences is, while strict hierarchical structure is fundamental to all military organizations, most modern western military leaders at least claim to be open to listening to dissenting viewpoints from their subordinates until the final decisions are made. I’m not sure how much that is true for ROK military leaders.

    While it is unusual to to have such a senior position filled by a foreign officer in a US service command it is not uncommon in combined forces command.

    It shouldn’t be too unfamiliar or difficult to adjust doing this with officers from any British commonwealth country because we have always operated with them in all of our expeditionary deployments anywhere in the world in the last century of more.

  • kangaji
    4:27 am on February 5th, 2013 5

    Someone like General Im Bun Chun who is bilingual and has a lot of joint experience could do that, but the problem is that the US does not trust ROK officials with that much top secret information about US Military units.

  • Dr.Yu
    5:01 am on February 5th, 2013 6

    We all know the answer to this question: Its a matter of time.
    Probably not by a native korean but a korean-american perhaps. It will all depend on his merits and capacity.
    The USA embraced multiculturalism to turn the whole world its backyard, so why not ???
    You want a genuine american general? than put an apache or sioux in the position ….

  • LG DACOM Stinks, Royally
    5:32 am on February 5th, 2013 7

    How is this Australian really than Thurman’s ROK 4-star deputy? Anyone who has worked on the USFK staff knows how integrated the CFC is.

    USARPAC isn’t even a war fighting headquarters, so the Australian is only marginally, figuratively in charge of a 1000-1500 workday headquarters.

    “The CFC is commanded by a four-star U.S. general, with a four-star ROK Army general as deputy commander. Throughout the command structure, binational manning is readily apparent: if the chief of a staff section is Korean, the deputy is American and vice versa. This integrated structure exists within the component commands as well as the headquarters.”

  • Bobby Ray
    6:06 am on February 5th, 2013 8

    Dr Yu I think you dont rightly understand America. The question is if a Korean general will command US troops. A Korean American aint a Korean. He is an American. It aint about the tint of his skin and the angle of his eyes it is about his thinking and if he thinks American thats good enough for me.

    And if you is thinking an apache or sioux is a genuine American you is wrong there too. They is just as American as any other American. Thats like saying Dr Yu aint a genuine Korean cause he aint from that Shilla or Baekjae. Them indian nations is long gone just like them old nations that used to be where Korea is.

    You Koreans cling to that old history like a drowning man clings to a twig. Thats always the way with those who got the short end of history’s stick I suppose. Indians and coloreds and them fellows over there in the Balkins fussing about stuff that happened hundreds of years before they was even born. Instead of doing their best with what they got and building themselves a new life its just easier to sit around and whine about stuff that might have happened to their great great great great great grandpappy and blame everybody else for their misfortune. Somehow Korea managed to get way ahead and still have enough energy to whine about the past. Good on you I guess. But don’t be confusing that with America. We like doers a lot more than we like whiners.

    Anyhoo Im not real comfortable with too many foreign generals in America’s military. Maybe a few from them real close allies like Canada and England and Australia maybe even Japan where they got their eggs pretty much in our basket but I cant say about some of them countries that might find themselves siding with China one day out of necessity.

  • Ole Tanker
    6:52 am on February 5th, 2013 9

    NEVER!!!! Especially not an Asin!

  • Dr.Yu
    6:53 am on February 5th, 2013 10

    Bobby Ray, I think you are right, Koreans should not command american soldiers except in urgent or very specific situations (to be agreed by both parties).
    Regarding whining about the past and focusing just in the future …. inst because of this “progressive” mindset that the USA is losing its identity?
    Honesty I dont believe koreans want to blend our military with the americans, so dont need to get panic about a possible korean general commanding USA soldiers, although I have my suspicious that top USA military personnel would not mind having this happening in the future if beneficial for the USA….

  • Glans
    8:00 am on February 5th, 2013 11

    Ely S Parker, a Seneca, was one of US Grant’s staff officers. Here he is, seated at Grant’s right.

  • Bobby Ray
    8:56 am on February 5th, 2013 12

    I here you Dr Yu. That progressive mindset is destroying America faster than you can say howdy. America aint losing its identity because of brushing aside them bad parts of its history. It is loosing its identity because them scoundrels in Washington and other places want to keep bringing up them bad parts and keep everybody worrying about how someone that looks like them was disadvantaged somewhere in the distant past and how they need some kind of compensation for that instead of getting their act together and looking to the future for success. I reckon they got everybody worrying about the past because they is stealing the future from right in front of us and aint nobody noticing.

  • Ole Tanker
    9:19 am on February 5th, 2013 13

    Glans.

    Parker was not a Commander, he was a Engineer, Staff Officer and Secretary.

    Regardless, his achievements are remarkable for a Native American of that era. Custer could have used his advise.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ely_S._Parker

  • Tom
    11:59 am on February 5th, 2013 14

    The answer is no, no way Americans will be commanded by a Korean. The reason is the American military is made of KKK members. They would never go for this ideal, nor should any Korean general be subjected to abuse by leading a bunch of stupid retards with white sheets.

  • Leon LaPorte
    3:00 pm on February 5th, 2013 15

    14. As a traitor and draft dodger (and therefore an international fugitive from justice) who has refused the responsibility to serve in your own country’s defense, you should refrain from commenting on all military related matters. You know not.

  • Burma Bob
    4:35 pm on February 5th, 2013 16

    The ROK military has matured, and there are several dozens each of US and ROK officers who have been to each other’s senior staff and war colleges. This would have been infeasible in the 1970′s or 80′s, but it is really do-able now.

    The guy I met when he was a CPT going through US SFQC back in 1984 is now a LTG, and he is not the same person he was back then. In the intervening years he has headed up ROK peacekeeping missions all over the globe, served as a deputy to a US senior commander, and has been a defense attaché in 2 countries. So he’s not an ajosshi, exactly, but still drinks maggeoli in industrial quantities.

  • jim
    4:41 pm on February 5th, 2013 17

    OP, iphones suck balls.

  • jim
    4:44 pm on February 5th, 2013 18

    1, also big problem since ROK is not part of five eyes.

  • Leon LaPorte
    6:00 pm on February 5th, 2013 19

    18. True that.

  • Tom
    6:30 pm on February 5th, 2013 20

    Why would any Korean would want to command an army that can’t even defeat the rag tag armies of Iraq and Afghanis? :lol:

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:21 pm on February 5th, 2013 21

    20. Why wouldn’t a Korean citizen, who loves his country so much, want to come home and fulfill his mandatory duty as a citizen by serving in his beloved county’s armed forces?

  • someotherguy
    7:30 pm on February 5th, 2013 22

    It’s a big “it depends”. The Koreans already are in charge during exercises so them running Collation forces at a strategic level isn’t that big a deal. Ground level (Army and below) it would still be American Officers running the show. Collation forces are not the same as regular forces, the various military jurisdictions and laws involved require that each major unit have a very specific role assigned to them. A ROK four star will not be the one deciding to “throw away” American lives.

  • Tom
    8:28 pm on February 5th, 2013 23

    American soldiers couldn’t even defeat the goat herders with all those fancy toys. They’re useless. Why would any Korean would want to command the retards who are ill disciplined cowards, useless on the battle fields? But they sure like to think they’re some super heroes. :lol:

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:47 pm on February 5th, 2013 24

    23. I guess you wouldn’t know how a soldier feels, regardless of country, would you Tom?

  • Bob
    12:18 am on February 6th, 2013 25

    I bet if we ever met Tom in person he’d be really reserved. Since he’s most likely used to getting pushed around.

    As per a Korean General leading US Troops? Yea sure why not?

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:35 am on February 6th, 2013 26

    25. I don’t have a huge problem with it except for the command and control compatibility and language gap, which would be a major issue.

  • Bob
    2:32 am on February 6th, 2013 27

    I agree, however I’m sure their are Korean Generals who speak English perfectly that could command US Forces.

    One issue MORE then language is culture.

  • Bobby Ray
    7:06 am on February 6th, 2013 28

    Im kind of uncomfortable with how easily everyone here is willing to let them foreign generals direct American soldiers like its no big thing. If them foreign generals got something to say maybe they just ought to tell an American general and he can issue the orders after being sure they match American thinking and goals.

    I aint afraid of no black helicopters or nothing but this here situation and this here apathy toward it is exactly what them new world order guys on them tinfoil hat websites is always warning about. Maybe there is something to it all.

  • Tom
    8:15 am on February 6th, 2013 29

    Americans are funny creatures. They’re fretting over something that will never happen. :roll:

 

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