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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on February 8th, 2013 at 7:10 am

USFK Does Not Issue Full Apology After Alleged Subway Sexual Harassment Incident In Korea

The fact that USFK is not issuing a full apology and that video of the incident from inside the subway has not been revealed tends to confirm that there is definitely more to the story in regards to the supposed subway sexual harassment incident:

The U.S. military has made a partial apology for an alleged subway incident involving six soldiers that the local mayor says adds impetus to calls for revision of the Status of Forces Agreement.

Official apologies have become something of a sensitive issue here. Unlike blanket apologies issued in recent years for some incidents of military misbehavior, U.S. officials qualified their statement this time, pointing out that exactly what happened on the train is under investigation.  [Stars & Stripes]

Here is what USFK apologized for:

Two days after the incident, Lt. Col. Eric Walker, commander of the 2nd Infantry Division’s Headquarters and Headquarters Battalion, met with Uijeongbu Mayor Ahn Byung Yong to “express his apologies for the soldiers’ disrespectful behavior playing loud music on the train,” Scrocca said.

Like I said in my original posting I could believe these soldiers were playing loud music and being obnoxious on the subway because I have seen it happen before.  However, surrounding and repeatedly groping a Korean female on the subway as they are accused of doing by the media I find hard to believe until there is evidence that proves otherwise. Considering the past cases of sensationalized media attention against USFK servicemembers I have good reason to be skeptical:

It appears that USFK agrees with this since the command is only apologizing for the obnoxious behavior on the subway and not for sexual harassment.  As this story continues to get fleshed out here is what one commenter said happened on the train:

How about that’s not what happen at all! Yes they were playing their music loud, yes she asked them to turn it down but they complied. They went to get off the train and then were GRABBED from behind by a bunch of Koreans, when the soldiers tried to get the men and women off of them one of their hands accidently grazed the womans breast as usual here, totally blown out of proportion! No one tried to drag the woman off the train. By the way there’s video from the train to back this up! I’m in Uijeongbu right and so sick of the media in Korea being so dramatic and out right lying in some cases. Yes there’s a few bad apples but guess what there’s a few bad apples everywhere and if it weren’t for America thered be no south Korea.

Based on the video from the subway station that has been released, there is so far more evidence to support this claim than the one that they surrounded and groped this woman on the subway.  What I think will probably end up happening is that since this incident got so much media attention that these soldiers will end up being charged with some kind of sexual harassment offense to show the police are “doing something”.  Then when the media attention dies down the prosecutor may drop the charge to something lighter if the prosecutor knows it is BS and the soldiers apologize to the people involved for being rude on the subway.  A sincere apology can go a long way in Korea.   I guess we will see what happens, but the moral of this story should be to not act like a jerk on the subway.

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  • Smokes
    7:31 am on February 8th, 2013 1

    I like that Mayor McKimchi had the Yaki Mandus to say this:

    “South Koreans pay close attention to crimes by USFK troops because they know well the inequalities of the SOFA regulations.”

    They only know the BS officals like this guy feed them in their morning helping of Brainwashi-O’s.

  • Tom
    8:01 am on February 8th, 2013 2

    :lol: I just knew this would be the stance here. Who is this one commentator who allegedly said these guys were the victims instead? Even if there’s a video showing the woman getting raped, GI’s will stick up for their buddies. Just look at what happened after the video of the US MP’s kicking the crap out of South Korean citizens for parking violations in front of his own store. GI’s still blamed the Korean. In the mind of Americans, Americans can do no wrong. :lol:

    PS: US drones have killed hundreds of Afghan children. Yet the US will never admit they did anything wrong.

  • Tom
    8:12 am on February 8th, 2013 3

    By the way you are wrong. The soldiers were handed over to the US military and Korean police has nothing to do with this anymore. The evidence is the video and the woman who called the police and complained to the media. There are also eyewitnesses including the interview of one of them, you just posted in the link, who were interviewed in the media. They clearly state on TV, the US soldiers were touching the woman inappropriately after the woman said “Please stop”. This only shows USFK only sticks up for their louts, and are not really interested in anything else.

  • Casanova
    1:13 pm on February 8th, 2013 4

    Tom the zipperheaad, you are a whiner.

  • Kingkitty
    3:45 pm on February 8th, 2013 5

    Tom so you think the drones should be used to kill Koreans who refuse to move from in front of the Osan gate while they eat and ignore requests to move the vehicle? Tom maybe your going too far but you know….Im with you on this one……LETS DO IT!

    Though Tom I can not support your desire to have drones killing Korean Children…..Your on your own on that one.

    How can you hate your people so much Tom?

  • quicksilver46
    4:22 pm on February 8th, 2013 6

    The US Army needs to teach soldiers how to behave properly. There is absolutely no excuse or reason for what happened except lack of leadership. And you leaders know who I’m talking about. Seems to me it is time to call in the chain of command and reprimand or relieve. This will send the message and help cut costs when those who can’t get the job done are returned to civilian life, a place they should have never left.

  • Flunky Brewster
    5:05 pm on February 8th, 2013 7

    It was simply a subway brawl and the Korean media tried to make it sound like the soldier’s fault by making up lies about what happened. Welcome to Korea!

    BTW, wanna bet those adjoshis were drunk? Situation normal on the subway.

  • Flunky Brewster
    5:08 pm on February 8th, 2013 8

    It was “funny” how this story disappeared from the headlines in Korea so suddenly. Someone got caught lying about foreigners, for the umpteenth time. Never trust the Korean media to tell the truth about foreigners. The Korean media always has some agenda or axe to grind.

  • johnhenry
    5:10 pm on February 8th, 2013 9

    Tom: You are mistaken. The SOFA requires the accused to be handed over to the US military. It also requires the US military to ensure the accused are available to the Korean police for investigation and questioning, also to the Korean court for a trial if the Korean prosecution decides to press charges.

    That news article about Koreans knowing the SOFA full well is also incredibly mistaken.

  • johnhenry
    5:14 pm on February 8th, 2013 10

    Far too many Koreans–swindled by the lies published by their own “news” media–believe that American soldiers are not subject to Korean law. The odd thing is that the very same media reports when US soldiers are sentenced by Korean courts to Korean prison.

  • Bob
    5:31 pm on February 8th, 2013 11

    I have a gut feeling about this one, do I think those 6 soldiers where acting stupid? Well yes I do but I think their is more or less behind this story that would be revealed by the footage taken.

  • Jeff
    6:12 pm on February 8th, 2013 12

    Ask the UJB mayor about the SOFA Korea has with other countries…he is clueless as are most Koreans on this subject.

  • guitard
    7:02 pm on February 8th, 2013 13

    Tom wrote:

    The evidence is the video and the woman who called the police and complained to the media.

    Hey 왕따 ~ are you EVER going to stop lying about this mythical video you said you saw?

  • Tom
    7:22 pm on February 8th, 2013 14

    If they stick to this, then there wouldn’t be any problem at all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjegWq0YF8

    :roll:

  • tbonetylr
    9:33 pm on February 8th, 2013 15

    10 years later Kim, Dong-sung and Koreans still want Apollo Anto Ohno to apologize(photo)
    http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2966627&cloc=joongangdaily|home|online
    “Kim still believes Ohno owes him apology.
    “I don’t see anything special about the situation with Ohno,” Kim said.
    “If he apologizes from the heart, I’m willing to accept it.”

    “Kim, the 1998 Olympic gold medalist from Korea, and Ohno, the 2002 and 2006 Olympic gold medalist from the United States, were among several retired short track athletes invited to the Korean city(Gangneung), which is one of the venues for the 2013 Special Olympics.”

  • Baek In-je
    10:58 pm on February 8th, 2013 16

    @15,
    Well…to be fair, it has only been 10 years. Koreans are still looking for more money for their Super Granny Prostitutes (trademark protected name), who the Koreans refer to as Comfort Women.
    But that moniker is anything but correct, as anyone who has been with a Korean hooker knows. There is nothing comfortable about Korean prostitute.

    “KOREAN PROSTITUTES ARE MY LEAST FAVORITE KIND OF PROSTITUTES.” …..but the most ubiquitous.

  • Smokes
    2:34 am on February 9th, 2013 17

    quicksilver46 @ #6:
    You’re so on point; the Army should involve itself even more in socially and morally engineering its personnel. It’s been a huge success so far.

    -_-

  • kangaji
    8:26 am on February 9th, 2013 18

    #16: Wow, so you can’t stand teaching in Korea, you don’t like Koreans, and the sex isn’t even good. Look for a store with the some characters that look like 약국 and give them a sheet of paper with 프로작 written on it.

  • Kingkitty
    2:15 pm on February 9th, 2013 19

    It has been determined by the Korean Media that Tom is in fact a mythical video

  • Baek In-je
    7:53 pm on February 9th, 2013 20

    #18,
    I dont teach, 18 neon.

  • Kangaji
    8:59 pm on February 9th, 2013 21

    #20: Interesting video blog posts for someone who doesn’t teach.

  • Baek In-je
    10:46 pm on February 9th, 2013 22

    Oh, yes. I have video blog posts on my site. If you click my name, you can see funny, funny, video blog posts. Thanks for the plug.

    I used to teach, but I haven’t in a long time. I’m a gentleman of leisure now. BTW, I just spent a little more than an hour reading your blog. It was an hour well spent.

  • Fanwarrior
    11:27 pm on February 9th, 2013 23

    “when the soldiers tried to get the men and women off of them one of their hands accidently grazed the womans breast ”
    accidentally grazed is PR spin for grabbed and groped. It’s got word play written all over it.
    The video doesn’t remotely back up that version of events, nor does it back up the other. All we see is 3 guys try to exit, then go back and grab another guy being held by the passengers. Question is, why were they being held by other passengers? Koreans are unlikely to just grab someone like that for no reason. I’ve seen people nearly come to blows on the train before anyone will even remotely intervene, then it’s usually some young guy who passively stands between them and asks them to stop. Unless these soldiers actually assaulted this woman, I can’t see a group of Koreans suddenly jumping up and trying to restrain them simply for playing loud music.

  • Flunky Brewster
    4:13 am on February 10th, 2013 24

    23- Your theory that “The soldiers must have done something bad to arouse those Koreans” doesn’t mean much unless you have some actual evidence. I’ve seen fights and pushing matches on the subway between Koreans and unless you were there you wouldn’t have any idea who did what to start them. Many times confrontations are started between drunk passengers over nothing.

  • Flunky Brewster
    4:16 am on February 10th, 2013 25

    Has anyone even considered the possibility that three of the soldiers involved weren’t “caught while trying to escape” but rather they stayed so they could explain the situation and try to be good citizens?

  • jim
    8:03 pm on February 10th, 2013 26

    #25, highly doubtful. the subway platform video shows them hauling butt down the steps, clearly being chased while trying to run away. also, the commotion inside and outside the gate. hardly a group of three nice young men waiting around for the police. those fools got caught.

 

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