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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on February 18th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

USFK Commander Says That Transformation Plan Will Happen By 2016

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I sure hopes General Thurman is right about this, but like I have always said, I will believe that the move happens when I see it with my own eyes:

SEOUL, South Korea — The commander of U.S. Forces Korea says the consolidation of the vast majority of American troops to regional hub bases south of Seoul is on schedule for 2016, despite hints to the contrary.

“We are moving out of this place, alright?” Gen. James Thurman told a community meeting last month at Yongsan Garrison in Seoul. “Everybody thinking they’re going to be here for years and years to come, I think that’s not going to be true.”

Construction and preparations for the move at Camp Humphreys in Pyeongtaek are “moving forward now, and I need everybody to understand that,” he said.

While elements of the move from Seoul and areas near the Demilitarized Zone could run into delays, the commander said, “In 2016, we’re going to be pretty much down there.”

Thurman’s comments provided a rare glimpse into the status of what are known as the Yongsan Relocation Plan and the Land Partnership Plan. [Stars and Stripes]

You can read the rest at the link, but General Thurman says that he and 200 other personnel are remaining in Seoul because that is where he works.

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  • Flyingsword
    8:03 pm on February 18th, 2013 1

    I wonder where those 200 people staying in Seoul will live and what school their dependents will go to? Knowing if the 200 are there because of the 4 star, most of them will be more senior people coming for two years…..could be interesting.

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    8:21 pm on February 18th, 2013 2

    I read more into what he didn’t say and the camps he didn’t mention. :grin:

  • tbonetylr
    12:56 am on February 19th, 2013 3

    The ajumma golfers won’t let it happen.

  • Leon LaPorte
    2:20 am on February 19th, 2013 4

    Huh? a stealth thread…

  • guitard
    3:29 am on February 19th, 2013 5

    Flyingsword wrote:

    I wonder where those 200 people staying in Seoul will live and what school their dependents will go to? Knowing if the 200 are there because of the 4 star, most of them will be more senior people coming for two years…..could be interesting.

    It would be ironic if the families have to live in Humphreys and the service members have to live in Seoul during the week and commute back to Humphreys on the weekends. I say this because that’s what command sponsored service members stationed in 2ID used to have to do – except the weekend commute was down to Yongsan.

  • Jimbob
    5:59 am on February 19th, 2013 6

    This is true, right up until the day he PCS’es…

  • 2ID Doc
    7:34 am on February 19th, 2013 7

    So are the golfers still lining up at the Yongsan gate yelling “Yankee go home, so we can play golf!”? I think that was the cry in the 80s, in between student riots…

  • Smokes
    11:51 am on February 19th, 2013 8

    Ever since the dispersal of the pros brought in for the protest against the Hump Expansion back in 05/06 I don’t recall any major shennanigans. Mainly it’s been smaller groups protesting economical things like contracts and stuff, or things that USFK really has no control over but the groups wanted a good venue to hold their protest.

  • kangaji
    4:12 pm on February 19th, 2013 9

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzaMs5iaX7w

  • jim
    5:16 pm on February 19th, 2013 10

    what yongsan golf course? you mean sungnam?

  • jk
    7:09 pm on February 19th, 2013 11

    yongsan 9 hole golf course was given back to Seoul and turned into a family park…

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:33 pm on February 19th, 2013 12

    The leadership has to get in their helicopters and fly to Casey, CRC, Osan, or Walker to get their green time. The ROK’s have some pretty nice courses at SROKA and Suwon, if you have enough rank.

    Conveniently, the helipad at CRC is right outside the clubhouse ON the golf course. The golf course at CRC has always been important. They even closed the only road around post down to extend it so you can no longer drive around CRC. It is _THAT_ important.

    /Our motto at CRC was “This (golf course) We Will Defend!”

  • someotherguy
    8:45 pm on February 19th, 2013 13

    “/Our motto at CRC was “This (golf course) We Will Defend!”

    Another big reason that 2ID is resisting the movement plan as much as possible. They really don’t want to have to play with other units or lose out on their special status.

    As for the movement, I’ve been saying for awhile that it’s going to happen just not the way everyone though it would. Everyone expects this massive line of moving trucks to pull up and move everything to Humphrey’s, that’s not happening. Instead you have a gradual phase out of various commands and support components being moved down there as facilities become available and supporting units are in place. USFK is going away and will have it’s name changed. The senior generals will most likely stay in the newly named coalition base (formerly named Yongsan garrison) along with their support staff. EUSA HQ is definitely moving to Humpreys, that alone represents most of the military presence on yongsan. Honestly I think it’ll be more then 200 soldiers left, most like ~500 or so, mostly officers in various J staff elements.

  • Airdefender
    9:12 pm on February 19th, 2013 14

    #12 — Timing of that road was interesting. MG Tucker told COL Dodge (former Area I Commander) in no uncertain terms he was not to close that road. MG Tucker leaves and the road is quickly closed for “Force Protection” reasons. An IG complaint was filed by a Field Grade on the Division staff, but it went nowhere. There were no studies done regarding that road and force protection and it is a bald-faced lie because the CG’s and DCSM’s residence and the bunker are still accessible by coming down the road on the opposite side. The biggest case of fraud, waste and abuse I’ve seen here, except maybe when they switched the buildings for the PX and Mini-Mall for no apparent reason. I’m sure money switched hands on both.

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:38 pm on February 19th, 2013 15

    Anyone know where the maneuver training areas, artillery ranges and fully instrumented MOUT facilities are in area III? :lol:

  • Flyingsword
    9:53 pm on February 19th, 2013 16

    15-Leon, I think 2ID Soldiers will spend most of their tour at the Rod Range Training Faciltiy. On the other hand, if the Arty moves South, they can shot sea range again; rocket valley is being taken over by love motels and pensions anyway.

    5-Guitard; yeah, I spent 3 years living that way, one weekend a month in Seoul with the family (if I was lucky) most of the time up in the 2ID…..

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:57 pm on February 19th, 2013 17

    So they are going to send the equipment to the Casey rail head via train and then HEMIT them out to Rod? :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I’m thinking some of Casey must remain…

  • Smokes
    12:53 am on February 20th, 2013 18

    #14: The PX and the gift shop switched places because it made more sense to house the PX in the bigger building. As for the raod, who the hell knows, Dodge did a lot of dumb stuff while he was there, like rendering the Starbucks entrance of the Food Court moot and setting up that BBQ stand that definitely lost money.

  • Jimbob
    4:07 am on February 20th, 2013 19

    How is the Starbucks entrance of the food court (on Yongsan) moot? It’s the most trafficked of the two [public] entrances to the building.

  • MTB Rider
    4:31 am on February 20th, 2013 20

    Not Yongsan, CRC. Hardly anybody goes into CRC Starbucks these days. Most people stop at either American Eatery, or Popeyes. The old stairs up to the Food Court used to enter Starbucks, but now you have to go all the way around, then up. The BBQ thing has never taken off.

    Starbucks itself is nicer, as it gets away from the Fast Food Joint feel of the Food Court.

    And yeah, the PX needed the bigger building. Their stock is a little questionable, they seem to have a lot of stuff nobody really wants or needs. That Adult Tricycle has been for sale for over a year now, I think. Still, that’s an AAFES problem, not a Col. Dodge problem.

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:43 am on February 20th, 2013 21

    …and yeah, the PX needed the bigger building. Their stock is a little questionable, they seem to have a lot of stuff nobody really wants or needs.

    AAFES Korea, secret number one. Stock a lot of stuff nobody really wants or needs and it cuts down on all that pesky restocking, BIGTIME!

    /sit back and profit

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    2:58 pm on February 20th, 2013 22

    Yeah – what’s going on with the adult trike thing anyway? Did some sales manager decide they were a ‘breakthrough item’ and every podunk branch exchange should stock them? I was just randomly in Jinhae for work and walked into the little shopette/exchange they have there. Unfortunately, the Navy down there is stuck with AAFES too – no NEX at that place. Walk inside the front door, look just to the right and low-and-behold, what do you see? Why it’s that hot-selling item, the adult tricycle! My only theory: somebody is trying to get GIs to buy then as a DUI statistic reduction tactic since its harder to fall off of one of those and get road rash when you’re wasted… :roll:

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:34 pm on February 20th, 2013 23

    22. LOL. I remember when the Casey PX had a whole stack of wine rack refrigerators (and this was before families showed up in area I). Just what every troop needs.

  • JoeC
    5:23 pm on February 20th, 2013 24

    I have a joint tour to Yongsan about 20 years ago. Arrived on a weekend. Sunday evening I was preparing my uniform for in-processing the next day and found I had a button hanging by a thread. Decided to go out a buy one of those little sewing kits.

    The PX was already closed so had to go to the shopette. I went to every shoppette on North and South post and none had sewing kits, an essential item for GIs. Yet, I did notice they were well stocked with small appliances you don’t expect to see in BXs/PXs, like beauty shop hair dryers; the kind women place their head inside like a hat.

    Had to go off-post to buy a needle and thread.

    During that tour I saw those shops brisk business in adjumas.

  • JoeC
    5:27 pm on February 20th, 2013 25

    #24

    Correction: “don’t expect to see in BXs/PXs” -> ” don’t expect to see in shopettes”

  • Bobby Ray
    6:01 pm on February 20th, 2013 26

    Looks pretty obvious what they is doing. They is letting some of that merchandise depreciate every inventory cycle. Then some boy on the inside buys it real cheap and sells it on the outside near full price. I done seen this little game play out all sorts of ways like hiding a boat motor in the back for a couple of years and not selling it to no customer until long after it was a discontinued item. The manager he gots himself a nice motor at half price. I don’t reckon I know what an adult tricycle is but you can bet somebody in Korea will pay a good price for one next year.

  • Kingkitty
    8:00 pm on February 20th, 2013 27

    Transformation is on its way….Werrrrrrreeee outtathere in 2016…..So lets add on to the Casey Lodge….Build a new Apartment building for Geographical Bachelor Officers above the rank of O-4…..Hey the craft shop needs a new wing…..Lets dig up all the roads (again) and replace all the sewage pipes in Yongsan..

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:11 pm on February 20th, 2013 28

    27. It doesn’t stop there. Here’s what is going on here at USAG Casey, right now:
    1. Bowling alley completely gutted and being rebuilt.
    2. Movie theater completely gutted and being rebuilt and added on to. (almost a new building)
    3. Schoonover Bowl is all dug up and being redone in some fashion.

    …and very recently completed projects:
    Commissary additional wing.
    Multimillion dollar new chapel, made of stone.
    Water park at the pool.
    Large scale earthworks for avalanche abatement on previously closed road.
    Maude Hall completely renovated (plus a Krispy Creme).
    All the florescent lighting in all buildings replaced with LED lighting.

    That’s just off the top of my head. There is more. I’m not saying some of these things weren’t good ideas but if this installation is closing in a couple years they have (and are) expended a ton of funds…

  • Smokes
    10:30 pm on February 20th, 2013 29

    As for the stocking issues, my 2 biggest questions would have to be:

    1. Why is there literally a mountain of Spam at the Commisary? Americans don’t dig on Spam anywhere near the amount portayed by the amount they keep in stock.

    2. Why does the Four Seasons carry large patio furniture? The floor space used by that section is almost 1/5th of the store.

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:55 pm on February 20th, 2013 30

    29. I think you already know the answer to both questions. Don’t be a silly goose.

    /I like spam

  • jim
    11:15 pm on February 21st, 2013 31

    never had spam before i got here. now i go through probably a can a week. plus those cases make great 추석/설날 gifts.

  • Casanova
    11:23 pm on February 21st, 2013 32

    SPAM is one of America’s best inventions, not being fecetious, that s!@t is great.

  • guitard
    11:39 pm on February 21st, 2013 33

    Smokes wrote:

    Why is there literally a mountain of Spam at the Commissary? Americans don’t dig on Spam anywhere near the amount portrayed by the amount they keep in stock.

    At which commissary? The Yongsan Commissary’s space allocation for Spam doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.

  • guitard
    11:45 pm on February 21st, 2013 34

    Leon LaPorte wrote:

    . . . if this installation is closing in a couple years they have (and are) expended a ton of funds…

    But . . . but . . . but . . .

    It’s already planned into the budget . . . and with the cost sharing agreement, the Koreans are paying 60%.

    It’s like that umpteenth purse your wife bought and says, “I didn’t really need another one, but it was 50% off, so I only payed $300.”

  • Kingkitty
    1:45 am on February 22nd, 2013 35

    Hay wooowa are you trying to say the stocking of excess Spam is not for the American buyers? OH MAH GWAD…….

    I always love the “already planned into the budget” line in Korea. Like when the urinated the CAC at Camp Page then closed the post months later. Built a new Barrack at Camp Kyle then closed the post a couple of years later….Or my favorite…built an undersized PX and Commissary at Camp Humphreys despite knowing that someday most of Korea will be stationed at that Camp.

    They can stop the funding but then this would upset the Korean contractors thus putting a wedge between US and Korea relations

  • jslimey
    2:16 am on February 22nd, 2013 36

    he wont be here so he can say whatever he wants to say just like the rest of the guys before him did
    they are towing the line with the media its as simple as that yongsan isnt moving in 2016

  • Smokes
    6:29 am on February 22nd, 2013 37

    #33,
    Sorry bout that, the literal mountain I saw was at Casey. It was so big I thought it fell out the back of a C-130, I was looking for the chute strings attached to the palette.

 

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