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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on February 21st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

The Furloughs Are Coming, the Furloughs are Coming

Most of the higher ranking GS employees will be able to ride this out, but I feel bad for the lower ranking government employees that are really going to get hard in the pocketbook by this:

Most of 800,000 Department of Defense civilian employees will see their workweeks shortened and their pay cut by 20 percent from late April through September, if Congress, as now expected, fails to stop $46 billion in indiscriminate defense budget cuts set to take effect March 1.
With lawmakers on a nine-day President’s Day recess, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta officially notified Congress Feb. 20 of the department’s intent to furlough the “vast majority” of its civilian workers. This, he said, will be necessary if Republicans and Democrats continue to refuse to negotiate a “balanced” debt-reduction deal to defuse or delay the “sequestration” budget bomb built into the 2011 Budget Control Act.
The furloughs would capture about $5 billion of needed savings but would hit overall readiness along with other plans to cut stateside base operations, reduce military training except for next-to-deploy units, delay maintenance of ships, aircraft, vehicles and facilities, suspend many scheduled ship deployments and make deep cuts in aircraft flying hours.
Panetta’s letter starts a 45-day clock required by law to begin the massive furlough. It gives the services and defense agencies time to recommend individuals or categories of employees for exemption from the furlough, which can mean a total of 22 days’ unpaid leave through Sept. 30. (Stars and Stripes)

You can read the rest at the link, but if anyone is wondering USFK Korean government employees will not be hit by these furloughs because of the SOFA.

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  • Kingkitty
    1:31 am on February 22nd, 2013 1

    Put the Soldiers back to work, bring the MPs back to the gate….Clinton over privatized the military and its time to quick.

    I know at Camp Carroll there is a guy who is a GS-12 that is the Anti-Terrorism coordinator on post. Talk about a made up position. I say lets put an E-7 in that slot along with a private or two for clerical work

  • Bob
    1:53 am on February 22nd, 2013 2

    First in first cut,

  • 2ID Doc
    1:53 am on February 22nd, 2013 3

    Yes I’m sure every GS-20 and above will be “Exempt” from the furlough after all it is very important that they be available to play golf with the Flag Officers and other high ranking officals in government while getting paid for it.

  • tbonetylr
    1:59 am on February 22nd, 2013 4

    Awww, 20%…it’s about time everybody starts feeling the hurt.

  • jslimey
    2:13 am on February 22nd, 2013 5

    believe me i know lots of GS who are overpaid and underworked
    slugs of the system

  • sam timmerman
    5:46 am on February 22nd, 2013 6

    So many GS employees have become assimilated into the local economy. They forget they are American, and specialize in doing the least possible. They have found a way to stay in Korea, and avoid the 5 year rule. They love the housing allowance, they love all the days off, the wives love the PX, the Commissary, the gas station. It helps them keep her
    Korean family supplied with US goods at prices much more attractive. When you see a Korean, filling up 2 5-gallon gas containers in January, they are not getting the lawn mower ready for the spring. Everyone knows it goes on, but they are slow to stop it.

  • Obama's Speech Coach
    5:50 am on February 22nd, 2013 7

    They could make DOUBLE the sequester cuts by simply selling off a small percentage of unused yet maintained and temperature-controlled Federal buildings in NY, Philadelphia, DC, etc…

  • Smokes
    6:17 am on February 22nd, 2013 8

    #1, 3, and 5:
    The three of you sound like typical mouthy know nothing E-7/O-3′s in CSS. The average GS does the work of 20 of thier active duty counterparts because usually they’re ex-mil who’ve retired or ETS’ed. I got more done at 2ID than all the Battalion and Brigade people who were supposed to be my counterparts combined.

    I came prepared, immediately improved the environment, and made an active effort to ensure knowledge was availible and communication was open.

    My counterparts came with excuses, immediately focused on their “love me” books, and made an active effort to hide from responsibility and deflect as much work as possible.

    Combat troops aside; the lot of you are lazy, entitled, worthless turds who excel in nothing other than wasting the tax payer’s dollar. The real warriors deserve better than you jokes because the only thing you’re usually professionals at is f’ing up and f’ing off.

    #6 What’s wrong some Korean girl turn you down and you’re mad because the only play you get is at the juicy bars? Who the hell cares how long they stay here? Who wouldn’t love housing allowance? Active duty sure loves that OHA I bet. All what days off? DA Civilians get less days off than anyone else here, do your homework d-bag.

  • GS Korea
    7:49 am on February 22nd, 2013 9

    Thank you Smokes! I would like to echo your sentiments….I am a GS that was in Korea and am know Stateside. The 5 year rule was in effect, which didn’t matter anyway because I was a local hire so I didn’t get LQA, I simply loved being in Korea.

    To all of you cry baby CSS troopers, your the first one looking for a hookup in the GS sector when you retire or ETS. I served for 8 years and served along side you cry babies as a GS for 10. All you do is whine about everything all day, your at work until 7 or 8pm because you nut around all day and forget about the work you had due.

    Keep crying you babies, I will still be doing my job and your job even with a paycut and no pay raise going on 3 years. We will take the hit while you get overpaid to take 1 1/2 hours for breakfast and lunch, compared to my 30 min. I will be at work when you are on your “training holiday”, I’ll be getting both of our jobs done while your at “Sgt time’s training” or “OD”.

    7:50 am on February 22nd, 2013 10

    There are slackers in the Military, GS and contracting and there are also hard workers in all 3. The arguement that 1 works harder than the other is retarded. The Military get a lot of 4 day weekends and they deserve it, some of them were fighting in the desert not to long ago so yea, let them enjoy it. Civilians get federal holidays off plus 2 extra days off for Chusok and lunar new years, good for them, that isn’t a lot more time off as someone said above. The poor contractors don’t get as much as either so bad for them I guess.

    The 2 days off a pay period will hit GS hard and will have an affect on Military services as well. To say a Military member can do a job as well as a civilian isn’t entirely false but it really comes down to the fact that soldiers have their Military duties to perform and can’t put the time needed into the garrison side so there are civilians there to do that part.

    Everytime this arguement comes up of who does more work than the other there are dumb comments like the ones above.

  • Liz
    8:00 am on February 22nd, 2013 11

    #3: There are an awful lot of ARTs in the Reserve who will be effected by this, and many of those are above GS-20 and work very hard. Nearly every fulltime reservist is an ART, including Wing commanders, usually. I don’t know what they will do this has never happened before.

  • Bobby Ray
    8:45 am on February 22nd, 2013 12

    In all my years I done noticed that work expands to fill the time given it. I reckon most work that takes 5 days can be done in 4 if folks got their mind set on it. Couse all them public jobs that got everyone looking at them will all sudden get real slow in a noticeable way. Airports and road repair will somehow turn that little 20% cut into a big old 50% drop in productivity. I bet there aint no drop in parking ticket efficiency or Obama dont take 20% off his golf games or vacation days. This whole thing is a good deal. You wait and see after all the bellyaching important things will get done just fine. Some of that ‘it was already in the budget’ excuses some of you is making wont be need to be made no more as them suspicious budgets will have to dry right up. Obama may go down as a brilliant president if he pulls this off.

  • Smokes
    8:51 am on February 22nd, 2013 13

    #12 Wow thanks for that reminder of why it’s a bad idea to post on here while drunk.

  • Bobby Ray
    10:25 am on February 22nd, 2013 14

    I hear you Smokes if you get a little too much jack in your blood you start typing the truth and aint nobody like that one lick. You disagree with anything I done wrote up there?

  • Liz
    11:16 am on February 22nd, 2013 15

    Huh, just checked the GS payscale per what I said above and I guess it only goes up to 15…

  • Glans
    11:39 am on February 22nd, 2013 16

    Austerity is bad for an ailing economy. Krugman has two cool charts today: “Austerity and GDP growth 2011-2012″ and “Austerity and increases in debt-to-GDP ratios.”

  • Ole Tanker
    11:45 am on February 22nd, 2013 17

    #1. Please, please, please don’t tell me this GS12 is getting LQA, has bounced from post to post AND avoided the 5 year rule for the last 6 years or so:) (11 years in Kr in toto)

    Must be one sharp dude as mentioned by others here.

  • Otto
    11:50 am on February 22nd, 2013 18

    SES-level folks got a pass and they in-turn gave passes to some GS-15s, etc. So much for sharing the pain of their staffers…

  • jeffreytg
    1:11 pm on February 22nd, 2013 19

    The government’s purpose is not to employ folks. If it was we could solve unemployment my simply employing people to move rocks from point A to point B and back again to point A. Employees should more than pmay for themselves based on the productivity they provide. They cost X and they return to the tax payers X + Y.

  • guitard
    2:33 pm on February 22nd, 2013 20

    sam timmerman wrote:

    When you see a Korean, filling up 2 5-gallon gas containers in January, they are not getting the lawn mower ready for the spring. Everyone knows it goes on, but they are slow to stop it.

    Actually, the “Korean” person is probably an American who is traveling during Lunar New Year to a place where there are no AAFES gas stations, so they are doing the smart thing and taking some extra gas with them so they can avoid paying high gas prices at a Korean gas station.

    If you weren’t such a racist, you’d realize that only because someone appears to be Asian doesn’t mean that they are not just as much of an American as you are.

    And if racism didn’t cloud your thought process and you had a little situational awareness, you would know that Lunar New Year often occurs in January and many base employees in Korea travel long distances during that holiday.

    If you are absolutely sure that the scumbag Korean filling up 5-gallon containers at the AAFES gas station is up to no good (because “Everyone knows it goes on, but they are slow to stop it”), stop being so slow (if that’s possible for you) and do something about it:

    Black Market Hotline: DSN 738-5118

  • jk
    3:15 pm on February 22nd, 2013 21

    Yeah, probably spent the $15-20 bucks on gas cans in order to save $10-15 from buying gas on the market, way far away from AAFES during the holidays… I reserve the right to point out black marketers while also not giving enough shit to report them to the black marketing CID…

  • Ole Tanker.
    3:23 pm on February 22nd, 2013 22

    You all have to admit Korea GS is the most screwed up hiring in the Army anywhere in the world.

    It is the only place where 2 guys with basic qualifications apply for a job.

    One has Platoon Sergeant time, Instructor time, NCO Advance Course, Master Gunner School, and a 2 year degree from a stateside Community College earned the “old fashioed way” going to school and sitting class.

    The other did 4 years in the Army, made it all the way to SPC E4, earned a 2 year degree online from the University of Maryland.

    And guess who gets the job in Korea?

    You guessed it! The former E4.

  • guitard
    4:51 pm on February 22nd, 2013 23

    jk wrote:

    Yeah, probably spent the $15-20 bucks on gas cans in order to save $10-15 from buying gas on the market, way far away from AAFES during the holidays…

    This will probably come as a shock to you – but gas cans are re-usable. Yep — you can actually use them more than once.

  • chefantwon
    5:46 pm on February 22nd, 2013 24

    $46 billion, seems the White house already has a program that is going to cost that much this year. I bet no one ever figured out HOW to cut something other than defense…….

    Btw, I live near Wright Patterson AFB and the cuts are happening over here as well and in the land of Ohio were jobs are scarce, ther are laying off people already as they wait for the budget axe to fall.

  • Denny
    9:37 pm on February 22nd, 2013 25

    The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost $4 trillion, so everyone has to suffer to pay for it.

  • Jeff
    3:42 am on February 23rd, 2013 26

    NAF rules!!

  • Smokes
    4:16 am on February 23rd, 2013 27

    #12: I’m a big fan of quality over quantity. Obama’s the worst president ever in my opinion though.

    #21: You’ve obviously never gotten gas off post, it’s on average twice as expensive. Yes twice.

    #22: That’s the fault of the hiring officals who in 2ID are all active duty, usually Majors.

    #26: A proposal to cut into the NAF program is already in the works.

  • Ole Tanker
    10:31 am on February 23rd, 2013 28



    The appointment of friends and associates to positions of authority, without proper regard to their qualifications.

    If you not part of the solution!

    You are part of the problem!

  • guitard
    10:37 am on February 23rd, 2013 29

    A lot of it depends on the job too. If it involves the use of a lot of hi-tech equipment (which is common these days), the E-4 might be able to run circles around the retired NCO.

  • Ole Tanker
    11:16 am on February 23rd, 2013 30


    Kick Butt in Call of Duty!

  • Jeff
    4:01 am on February 24th, 2013 31

    Smokes, link to the plan to cut NAF?

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:17 am on February 24th, 2013 32

    31. I think he means NAF is not being cut.

  • Smokes
    1:33 pm on February 24th, 2013 33

    #31: Sorry I should’ve written “is already being suggested” rather than “in the works”. Sloppy work on my part. :(

  • someotherguy
    9:14 pm on February 24th, 2013 34


    Usually they go contracting for that with the GS being the site representative / manager. GS’s tend to be horrible at anything that requires specialized knowledge and training, their system simply doesn’t allow for that kind of career development. The military sufferers from the same problem, no ability to specialize. Those MOS’s are generic at best, misleading at worst.

  • Glans
    1:15 pm on February 28th, 2013 35

    Do you worry about our debt to China? Kevin Drum says, ” … China’s holdings of U.S. treasuries give it no leverage to speak of; pose no danger to America; and China’s recent actions demonstrate pretty conclusively that they know this perfectly well. Hell, China’s share of U.S. debt has gone down for the past two years,” at Mother Jones.

  • someotherguy
    5:34 pm on February 28th, 2013 36


    Good lord you had to bring a link to the liberal equivalent of on here.

    And as I’ve been saying for years now, foreign owned debt to China is not nor has ever been a problem for the USA. It’s non-redeemable with a fixed interest rate that’s payable yearly. We sell debt to china because they offer to buy it at the lowest interest rates, otherwise we’d be selling it to Japan or the UK at higher interest rates.

    Most of the debt is domestically owned, that huge number they keep pointing to is just the amount we owe ourselves (specifically the reserve bank). We could waive our hands and make most of it vanish tomorrow, though doing so would have catastrophic consequences for the economy (insanely high deflation).

  • Glans
    6:05 pm on February 28th, 2013 37

    someotherguy, Kevin Drum is the guy who brought lead to your attention as a cause of crime waves. Forget Fox, visit Mother Jones.


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