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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on March 3rd, 2013 at 8:18 am

US Soldier Shot In Seoul After Car Chase with Korean Police

UPDATE:  Video of the incident is beginning to come out which can be seen on this MBC report uploaded on YouTube:

Also I recommend going over to the Marmot’s Hole which also has a lot of information posted on this story.  It is still unclear what these idiots were doing with the pellet guns, but it is basically irrelevant because they should have stopped when confronted by the police.  If they would stopped they would have had their ass chewed by their leadership and this whole incident would just have been remembered as much as the past Itaewon toy gun incident.  Now it is a full fledged international incident.  Something else of interest is that the Staff Sergeant had his wife with him in the car which just shows stupidity can be a family affair.

It is also becoming pretty clear that the GIs after being cornered tried to run over the policeman who stepped out of the taxicab to stop them in eastern Seoul.  With a car trying to run him down I think the policeman was completely justified with shooting at the driver.  Reports say he was shot in the shoulder, but considering he tried to run over a policeman he is lucky he didn’t get shot in the face.  Unbelievably when they returned to Yongsan they tried to blame the driver getting shot on a Arab that tried to rob them.  Considering how stupid these three were to begin with, it figures they would think that USFK authorities would buy such a story.

I think most importantly it shows the extreme disconnect between some USFK servicemembers and life in Korea.  Obviously these three felt like they could do whatever they were doing with the pellet guns and then run from police without being caught and it making headlines in Korea.  These idiots even thought being shot by the police would not make headlines that would reach back to Yongsan Garrison authorities considering the “Arab shot me” story they made up.  It is pretty clear that their unit on Yongsan Garrison is not briefing these soldiers that the littlest incident will make headlines and that the Korean police will catch you considering the amount of cameras and witnesses available to identify you.  That is why it is always best to just cooperate with police and take your lumps instead of escalating the situation to where it becomes a full fledged international incident.

USFK units should as part of their weekly safety briefs read off every incident that happens and then post it on the unit bulletin board for servicemembers to read.  Most servicemembers will read it and think that will never happen to me and it likely won’t, but the few idiots out there who think they can cause trouble and get away with it because they are in Korea may think twice before doing something stupid if they read about other GIs who were arrested for the same stupid crap they are thinking of doing.

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Just when you thought you had seen it all in regards to GI stupidity, the Itaewon Pellet Gun Bandits come along:

SEOUL — A U.S. soldier was in stable condition Sunday after police shot him during an early-morning car chase that South Korean officials say started after they received emergency calls about gunshots being fired near a busy Itaewon intersection.

Details remained sketchy several hours later, including whether the soldier had fired BBs or pellets at bystanders in front of the Hamilton Hotel or might have just pointed a toy gun at them.

South Korean police said they received emergency calls at 11:53 p.m. Saturday about shots being fired by a soldier, according to an official with the Yongsan Police Station’s Fifth Violent Crimes Team. Police tried to capture him at the nearby Itaewon subway station, but he and a second soldier escaped by car.

Police followed the two soldiers by taxi for about half an hour to the Gwangjin district in eastern Seoul. During the chase, police fired one blank warning shot and three live rounds, hitting the driver. He was described as the shooter, with differing accounts saying he used a BB or pellet gun. One South Korean police officer described the weapon as a “toy gun.”

It was not immediately clear whether police knew if a real or fake gun was involved, and whether South Korean police followed proper procedure by shooting at the servicemembers. Another Yongsan police official said police fired shots because they believed the car posed a threat to them. [Stars & Stripes]

You can read much more at the link.

To begin with it is not wise to brandish even a toy gun much less fire pellets (if they in fact did fire pellets) at people in Korea. Could these soldiers have been doing what these prior idiots arrested in Itaewon in December 2011 were doing? If so they should have just stopped and complied with the Korea police when confronted. This largely would have been a minor story. Now do the car chase and subsequent shooting this is a full fledge international incident that the anti-US Chinboista leftists can use to bash not only USFK, but the new Korean President Park Geun-hye with. They will do this by repeating the same old untrue SOFA claims over and over again though these soldiers will be handed over to police, questioned, and tried in a Korean court.

With that all said I cannot understand why the Korean police would shoot at their car? This is very unusual behavior by the police, especially when they had the suspects license plate number and even though they did not catch them were able to later identify them. The risk to civilians with police wildly shooting out of a moving vehicle at another moving vehicle makes the decision to shoot seem quite poor in my opinion. Also are the police in Korea authorized to use taxis to chase suspects? How would the suspects in the car know they are being chased by police when they are in a taxi cab? Especially when the taxi cab is shooting at them which is not behavior consistent with Korean policing? For all we know maybe they thought they pissed off some Korean gangsters with their stupidity in Itaewon and were being chased by them?The bottom line though is that the police chase and subsequent shooting should have never happened in the first place if these idiots were first not acting like fools in Itaewon and secondly complied with Korean police when confronted at the Itaewon Subway Station. It is even more pathetic to see that a Staff Sergeant was involved in this stupidity.

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  • Chris In Dallas
    8:33 am on March 3rd, 2013 1

    I’m trying to wrap my mind around a “car chase” in Korea. From what I saw the whole Republic was one constant traffic jam and trying to elude the authorities by driving away in a car would be utterly futile.

  • 2ID Doc
    10:59 am on March 3rd, 2013 2

    It is even more pathetic to see that a Staff Sergeant was involved in this stupidity.

    Sorry, stupidity knows no rank E-1 to O-10 they all are stupid at times. Even NCOs do stupid from time to time…usually it does not involve the local authorities.

  • Tom
    12:41 pm on March 3rd, 2013 3

    Let’s look at the facts before everyone screaming charges of racism again (I’m responding to this thread as well as to the open thread).

    1. They were reported as firing guns at people. Police had no way of knowing at that time they were pellet guns.

    2. They were told to stop for questioning by the foot patrol officers, but drove through and damaging the cars that were parked.

    3. The officers grabbed a taxi with a cooperation of a good citizen taxi driver, and followed the suspects cornering the getaway car. The suspect car was blocked off the way. The police got off the taxi and attempted to arrest the suspects. But instead of stopping right there, the USFK soldiers tried to ram through again. There were four attempts of gunning the engine and trying to break through the block.

    4. The police fired off a warning shot, suspects refuse to cooperate, still gunning the engine, going for the officer. The fourth time, the officer had no choice but to shoot at the driver to stop him.

    5. In the scuffle, the police officer was wounded on the leg getting hit by the car. With four attempts at gunning the engine at the officer, this should be considered attempted murder.

    No matter how you dice and slice it, these are the facts at this moment. But I do wonder how everyone’s going to be spinning this into another anti-Korean rhetoric and defense of the two soldiers with the pellete gun.

  • tbonetylr
    2:05 pm on March 3rd, 2013 4

    Is the officer on leave? Is he seeing a psychologist or receiving hi 5′s? Was he on duty, wearing a uniform?

  • tbonetylr
    2:27 pm on March 3rd, 2013 5

    Did they find the casing of the “warning shot”? Is there evidence of bullet marks anywhere around the tires, ground, or elsewhere?

  • Flunky Brewster
    2:32 pm on March 3rd, 2013 6

    3- How about waiting for the investigation before claiming to know “facts” from the Korean media?

  • MTB Rider
    2:59 pm on March 3rd, 2013 7

    I’m wondering how #3 will spin it, is what I’m wondering. :roll:

    I remember how almost everyone was upset and against the MPs arresting that store owner out in the Ville. Then Tom comes in saying how as a child (growing up in Gangnam), he laid frightened in his bed while drunken GIs shot up the ville from the nearby base. The conversation against the MPs sort of faded after that, as no one wanted to be seen anywhere near that steaming pile of bullcrap!

    So far, everyone is saying “Let the Investigation Finish,” and at worst, “Don’t believe everything the “Fan Death is Real” Media says as True.” Nobody is saying anything about Korean Racism.

    But good job restraining yourself Tom. I knew you could do it! :grin:
    (Is this even the same Tom? I think the chinboistas change him out when he loses effectiveness…)

  • Mike
    3:49 pm on March 3rd, 2013 8

    Don’t believe the Korean racist police. They’re trying to frame this on the innocent soldiers who probably were just joking around. The prude Koreans wouldn’t let that happen, so they use this excuse to try to shoot and kill an American soldier. We should just get out of this pit hole and let the Koreas reunify.

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:18 pm on March 3rd, 2013 9

    I have to question the whole shooting at the tires scenario. If these idiots were trying to run over him, he should have been shooting at the driver. At that point they were a deadly threat to the officer and (possibly) the public.

    I know of no requirement to fire a warning shot.

    If he was shooting at the tires, he needs more time at the range.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    5:33 pm on March 3rd, 2013 10

    The thing is – the cops *never* shoot anyone here, foreigners or otherwise – I have been told that they have ROE that basically make it where they have to be on their last breath, inches from death before they can even draw on someone. So – how this plays out in the next few days should prove quite interesting. I am not excusing what the dumb GIs did by any means – they’re lucky in their own right that they made it back to post and didn’t face any mob justice…

  • Dr.Yu
    5:42 pm on March 3rd, 2013 11

    #10. Maybe because the soldiers had gun while koreans don´t have guns ….

  • Leon LaPorte
    5:54 pm on March 3rd, 2013 12

    11. You mean the soldiers had a “gun.” Both Koreans and soldiers don’t have guns.

  • Smokes
    6:09 pm on March 3rd, 2013 13

    I really don’t care if the police were right in shooting or not; this is just stupid and wrong on so many levels I’m just sick of dumbass soldiers messing it up for the rest of us.

    Hit these a-holes with the max.

  • Dr.Yu
    6:25 pm on March 3rd, 2013 14

    #12. Maybe not a real gun, but something that resembled a real gun. Korean criminals don´t use guns so the police don’t need to use it too on them, but having threatened people with something looking like a real gun, and putting people and police´s life at risk shooting at them seems to be justified …. I know that in the USA they would have been killed without hesitation in similar situation … Now as Tom pointed out well the police gave them tons of chances to surrender but they refused …. and honestly speaking, I don’t thing police opened fire just because they are foreigners, because like Jinro said korean police never use the gun, and if they kill someone by accident they would be in a very, very serious problem ….. If the police had to use their gun, this just give the idea of the size of the problem this guys created …

  • Helix The Cat
    6:38 pm on March 3rd, 2013 15

    14- It all depends on what the crowd was yelling to the police. Maybe the crowd thought they had a real gun. There have been cases in the U.S.A. where the police thought someone had a real gun and it was a toy, even a water gun. They do sell those toy guns in Korea at many toy shops.
    I know that some soldiers act like fools in their cars while driving around off post. I’ve seen it done in the Songtan area.
    Some of this investigation may focus on the decision of the Korean police to fire a gun at a moving vehicle. I agree with the decision, if there was a reasonable question about a gun. Now, there may be much more to this story but if the entire situation was created by the American soldiers then they have to take their medicine.

  • Leon LaPorte
    6:39 pm on March 3rd, 2013 16

    14. From what I have seen the police (rightly) went to deadly force because the car was being used in a manner that was threatening to the officer and or public. It had nothing to do with the “gun” at that point. If this is what happened the officer was well within his rights and responsibilities by using deadly force.

    These GI clowns are lucky it was the Korean police. In America under similar circumstances one or both would be dead.

  • Helix The Cat
    6:45 pm on March 3rd, 2013 17

    Crowds can be mistaken about whether a gun is a real gun or a toy. I was once in a crowded Wal-Mart, in the USA, and someone on the other end of the checkout counters yelled “He’s got a gun.” The entire crowd just surged our way, even though no one actually had seen a gun. People ducked behind their carts and some left their carts and ran outside. It did make the newspaper that evening that it was a water pistol that some hysterical woman thought was a real gun. The panic created a more dangerous situation than any possible damage caused by the water pistol.
    Maybe that happened in this case with the crowd relying on rumor and screaming to the police “They have a gun.” You never know.

  • Bobby Ray
    6:48 pm on March 3rd, 2013 18

    Hard to know the full story here but so far it sounds like we gots a couple of dummies jerking around with them little toy bb guns. Then the police come poking around and them boys see the error of their ways but too late. They don’t want to get in no kind of trouble over stupid stuff so they take off like scalded dogs. The police go after them. Now them boys have been hearing how stupid and lazy and worthless Korean police are since they done got there so they figure they can get away but they can’t. A bad situation just gets worse. They might have been able to slip out of that bb gun ruckus with minor punishment but running from the police and banging into other cars gots them fighting for their lives in their way of thinking. Then they wind up getting themselves cornered somehow. This here police is mad as a wet hen and he is happy to have them cornered but they ain’t giving up like a Korean. They is reving their engine something fierce and threatening to get away. Worse than that he is standing in front of the car blocking it. Now American police don’t dare do that but it’s standard for them Korean police cause Koreans don’t rev their engine and threaten to run them over. Well this here police fellow is facing off against dangerous Americans not playing by no Korean rules so he remembers back to all them American movies and he figures he will play american rules. There ain’t no shell casing cause Korean police use them little 6 shot .38 revolvers. He fires himself a warning shot but it aint no real shot cause the first shot in korean police pistols is always a blank designed to get attention and send a real clear message that thing are getting ready to go up there to the next level.

    Now them boys in the car don’t know that first shot ain’t real just like most of you. They figure they got a crazy Korean cop shooting at them over a bit of mischief and a car chase where they was just trying to get away. They didn’t kill nobody and they didn’t rob no bank and now they is cornered by this crazy police trying to kill them. One of them yells Gun It Jim!

    So far that policeman he done everything right by Korean standards and them American boys reacted by American standards. But now he’s scared and he starts shooting for real. That tire story is nonsense and it’s going to vanish quicker than hubcaps in Harlem. He figures they is trying to kill him and he reacts as a man if not a policeman. He is going to be a hero to a bunch of Koreans but his career is going to take a big hit. The only thing that’s going to protect him is the public backlash that’d come about if they go and punish him.

    This story is real sad cause them boys started out as just minor troublemakers having themselves a bit of fun and it got bigger step by step as they was trying to avoid the last punishment. That cop was just trying to keep order in Korea and was forced to play by them harsh American rules instead of them easy Korean ones.

    This here is going to start a whole bunch of changes and ain’t one if them for the better. Of course them toy guns will be restricted for soldiers and lord knows what else they will come up with to show they is cracking down on disorderly soldiers. The Koreans is going to debate this for some time with 50 percent saying they don’t want no cops shooting for any reason and 48 percent saying he done the right thing and 2 percent saying he should have shot all the evil big nose Yankee invaders.

    Them Koreans will apologize for police overaction and that policeman will be apologizing to the GI he done shot. The military will be apologizing they for their disorder and mayhem and make a big show whatever it is they decide to do to keep it from happening again. Course it won’t be nothing that will actually stop any knucklehead that got his mind set on being a knucklehead. This here is a terrible situation but it sure does make for fine drama.

  • Bob
    6:49 pm on March 3rd, 2013 19

    Look having spent many years (still in Korea) and seeing the KNP in action I’m 100% Confident that for a soldier to even make a KNP pull his gun out means he was doing some stupid shit beyond all belief. For said KNP to fire I feel this was 100% justified. The guy in question was being a moron. His career is now over.

  • guitard
    6:56 pm on March 3rd, 2013 20

    Dr.Yu wrote:

    Maybe not a real gun, but something that resembled a real gun. Korean criminals don´t use guns so the police don’t need to use it too on them, but having threatened people with something looking like a real gun, and putting people and police´s life at risk shooting at them seems to be justified

    Please stop with the melodrama about real gun/fake gun. You can buy those “real gun” pellet guns everywhere in Korea – to include right there in Itaewon. Real guns make a very loud, and distinct BANG when they’re fired – audible from several hundred meters away. Pellet guns make about as much sound as a silent fart. The police station is one block from the Hamilton Hotel. If these soldiers had been firing a real gun – this would have played out much differently because the police who first responded to the incident would have known they were dealing with someone firing a real gun and they would not have confronted them face-to-face the way they did, nor would they have smashed the windshield with a metal baton.

  • Leon LaPorte
    6:59 pm on March 3rd, 2013 21

    18. I hope you are wrong and the Korean policeman is NOT forced to apologize. With the facts as we know them right now, he acted appropriately.

  • guitard
    7:06 pm on March 3rd, 2013 22

    Chris In Dallas wrote:

    I’m trying to wrap my mind around a “car chase” in Korea. From what I saw the whole Republic was one constant traffic jam and trying to elude the authorities by driving away in a car would be utterly futile.

    They made a beeline for North River Road and it was late at night on a holiday weekend when many people were out of town. Driving upwards of 100 MPH on that road, at that time of night, under light traffic conditions – is a piece of cake.

  • guitard
    7:10 pm on March 3rd, 2013 23

    And now the video starts to surface ~

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKEWGb-TUo

  • GIs go Grand Theft Auto in Itaewon, one gets shot | The Marmot's Hole
    7:41 pm on March 3rd, 2013 24

    [...] 2: Here’s GI Korea’s take on it. Commenter Bobby Ray’s analysis of the situation is worth [...]

  • tbonetylr
    7:49 pm on March 3rd, 2013 25

    Do Korean police really think they can stop a car by pulling on it or standing in front of it? They found a tire skid mark and a damaged car on a side road/alley but what about bullet casings and bullet holes on suspects car or markings on road? Did the suspects hit anyone with the BB/pellet gun?

    U.S.A. GO HOME :!:

  • Sean Faber
    7:56 pm on March 3rd, 2013 26

    For those of you Korea apologists who think the worthless K-cop had the right pull the gun on our boys, I say screw you. We stick up for our boys over there through thick and thin, no matter what kind of trouble our boys get into over there because of racist Koreans who are looking to cause trouble and kill and hurt Americans. The worthless K-cop had no right to pull the gun on our boys. Why, just because they were carrying toy guns? Are you seriously kidding me that this isn’t racism?

    And #23, I don’t believe in that news report. For all we know that car could be driven by Koreans. The video footage shows nothing. It’s absolutely worthless.

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:58 pm on March 3rd, 2013 27

    26. Some people will think you’re serious. :lol:

  • J. Goard
    8:23 pm on March 3rd, 2013 28

    A car is a deadly weapon, and a driver who would run into parked cars and keep on going is pretty clearly using that weapon recklessly. Driving when your main concern is to escape the police is also a damn good way to put lots of innocents at risk. Police have got to treat a fleeing reckless driver about like a guy who’s randomly firing bullets into the air.

  • Helix The Cat
    8:32 pm on March 3rd, 2013 29

    26-You’re right when you say that Korean police don’t pull guns on Korean murderers and pedophiles. They even get phone calls from Korean women who are being murdered and they won’t break down the door to rescue her.
    But how can the police tell if it’s a toy gun or not?

  • comfortable.chairs
    8:32 pm on March 3rd, 2013 30

    Last year, a Korean man cleared a police station with a knife – all the cops ran out the back door. The national commissioner was quite embarrassed by this and ORDERED the police to use their firearms more frequently. Here is a post/article from rokdrop/yonhap news about it.

    http://rokdrop.com/2011/10/28/korean-police-to-use-guns-more-rely-less-on-riot-police-draftees/

    Let’s just ignore the whole “gun” part of the story and focus on the fact that the guys tried to RUN OVER police officers. That is clearly using deadly force and they deserve to have been shot for it.

    As much as people bemoan the police here, IMHO, when there is a serious problem, they handle it.

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:52 pm on March 3rd, 2013 31

    30. Absolutely. The “gun” has very little to do with the story. It is fairly apparent deadly force was used because of the car.

  • Cool Kid Joe
    9:01 pm on March 3rd, 2013 32

    As a Canadian, I don’t care if Korean police shoot Americans. And it looks like the dude deserved to get shot. You can’t invade a country with army bases and expect the locals to embrace you is what I am saying.

  • jt
    9:02 pm on March 3rd, 2013 33

    Trying to run over someone with a car is atempted murder. If the police had the suspect cornered and the suspect tried to run over the police officer, the police officer has the right to use deadly force.

    It is sad that the suspects were not drinking alcohol. In Korea, if you commit a crime while you are drunk and apologise and feel remorse, the Korean courts will be lenient. Since they were sober, they have no excuse.

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:02 pm on March 3rd, 2013 34

    32. I’m cool with the police shooting Americans, Canadians, or even Koreans – if the circumstances warrant such action.

  • Cool Kid Joe
    9:25 pm on March 3rd, 2013 35

    34. Okay, but why would you be okay with the police shooting Canadians and Koreans? Unlike Americans we don’t walk around with shotguns and hand grenades in our pockets. That’s the difference right there, dude.

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:30 pm on March 3rd, 2013 36

    35. For attitude alone. A Korean _could_ have a shotgun. I haven’t seen any Americans with hand grenades or shotguns in their pockets.

    And I love how some Canadians love to snipe at Americans (and other countries which maintain significant and capable armed forces) while enjoying being a member of the Commonwealth and having the US as a neighbor.

  • BBBBBBBBBBell
    9:42 pm on March 3rd, 2013 37

    It is obvious #35 has an agenda on here and it is not to discuss the article at hand. How about we all ignore the trolling and continue with discussing the topic of this thread.

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:59 pm on March 3rd, 2013 38

    37. Only if we can also ignore the anti-trolling trolls.

  • BBBBBBBBBBell
    10:02 pm on March 3rd, 2013 39

    Fair enough ;-)

  • Cool Kid Joe
    10:21 pm on March 3rd, 2013 40

    I don’t see what there is to discuss here. We have a couple of yank idiots acting like idiots and endangering the lives of innocent people, and one of them got shot. We can all agree on that, yes? Then the facts speak for themselves. There is nothing to argue over here, folks, so just move on. Good luck, and good afternoon.

  • Bomani
    10:42 pm on March 3rd, 2013 41

    Love how they thought banging and tugging on the car would make it stop.

  • CurfewViolator
    11:54 pm on March 3rd, 2013 42

    Love the line on “Ask a Korean”

    “And Koreans cannot do anything about it unless USFK voluntarily turns the soldiers over, and good luck getting that to happen.”

    And of course the obligatory bullshit line of evil “SOFA” that allows us to escape unscathed from any repercussions from the ROKs. Everyone knows that getting onto the camp is automatic amnesty. Guess the soldier’s we have coming out every month on the SJA report are fake personalities generated by the Ministry of Truth.

    I generally enjoy seeing some of the bullshit that comes out on his blog, but to see him totally fall hook, line and sinker for this constantly beat over mantra disgusts me.

    I have to go now. Need to collect some grenades from the AHA before I go to Homeplus.

  • G.I. G.I. Joe
    12:58 am on March 4th, 2013 43

    I read MH often and see The Korean’s posts. His problem is that he’s a lawyer, and you have to carefully parse his words:

    “And Koreans cannot do anything about it unless USFK voluntarily turns the soldiers over, and good luck getting that to happen.”

    That is true. The soldiers are on a USFK base, and the (small ‘t’) Koreans don’t have the authority to go get them; therefore, USFK will have to turn them over voluntarily. The rest is just lawyerly douche-baggery.

    So many of his posts have similar anti-American chicanery.

  • tbonetylr
    1:05 am on March 4th, 2013 44

    #42
    Talk about Chinboista’s, it’s written all over his forehead. Now we know what he’s doing in Washington D.C. He can only blame himself and his flock for failing to force the U.S. out of S. Korea.

  • dave5592
    1:08 am on March 4th, 2013 45

    Mike, gfy please. Thanks.

  • Bobby Ray
    2:21 am on March 4th, 2013 46

    That poor Canadian cool kid Joe don’t realize that his goverment already done sold him out to the American military with all that northern command stuff that allows American troops to set themselves right up on Canadian soil. It’s just gonna take some kind of excuse like a bombed pipeline and there will be a permanent American base fastern you can say howdy. It’ll be sold to them Canadians as necessary for north American security. If they don’t go long with it they might find another bombed pipeline or as many as it takes till they decide them American military bases are tolerable. About that time the bombing will stop. See how lucky you are to have them Americans taking care of your security?

    I go up there to Canada every now and then and them Canadians are about the nicest people ever but when you get them some other place they prone to act like an American with a hurting yoohoo. Theys always griping about something and saying all sorts of terrible things about America. I can’t figure it all out. America’s their friend. Here this kid saying he don’t care if Americans get shot cause he’s a Canadian. What’s it matter. A better statement is I don’t care if dangerous criminals get shot cause I ain’t one

    I got to thinking more about this and too many people is focusing on them toy guns. I bet everyone done knew them was toy guns. That ain’t the issue now. Them toy guns is certainly reason for the police to ask questions and when you ain’t cooperative with them they don’t go away. They bring more police. When you run away they don’t give up. They chase. Nothing strange there. When you threaten one with a car and he has a gun I spose he could get out of the way and let you escape or he can just use that gun which is a mighty powerful way to solve problems in the movies which is a big part of police mindset the world over these days.

    Hard to know if shooting was the right thing to do or letting them get away and then going through the trouble of working out whose who with car registration and on videos and witness statements and such. Lots of armchair quarterbacks of both the American and Korean variety are gonna be looking at this but they wasn’t there. I’m real interested to see what the military is gonna do to show they is keeping this from happening again. You can bet it’s gonna be ugly and foolish.

  • hardyandtiny
    3:27 am on March 4th, 2013 47

    The there boy Bobby Ray just went and got himself some drinks on the house.

  • hardyandtiny
    3:29 am on March 4th, 2013 48

    Cool Kid Joe is not cool.

  • hardyandtiny
    4:44 am on March 4th, 2013 49

    SSG’s car, right?

  • Smokes
    5:19 am on March 4th, 2013 50

    #42 and #43: That site should be renamed to something like:
    “Ask a guy who used to live in Korea”
    “Answers that were correct 30 years ago about Korea”
    “Not as blatant as Tom”

    He’s an arrogant turd who hides behind humor and doubletalk. My last straw with him was that weak defense he spewed about excusing the rascal PSY for banking on the deaths of little girls with some lame story about a foreign base taking up all of Central Park.

  • Merlin
    5:24 am on March 4th, 2013 51

    This was Korean RACISM plain and simple. The little Korean police had no right to shoot at Americans! America out of RACIST Korea right now!

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    5:32 am on March 4th, 2013 52

    Just so everyone knows I have updated the original posting above. These idiots deserve every piece of punishment that the ROKs and the military can throw at them.

  • Dr.Yu
    5:50 am on March 4th, 2013 53

    Small incident blown out of proportion …. by expats … time to pull out the GIs from korea because of the racist korean cops … :lol:

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    6:11 am on March 4th, 2013 54

    @53- Who says it was blown out of proportion? :?:

    If these idiots had complied with Korean police when they were originally stopped it is likely this would be a small incident like what happened over a year ago with the other GIs caught acting like fools with toy guns in Itaewon. Instead it turned into a car chase and shooting which is now a major international incident.

  • kangaji
    6:28 am on March 4th, 2013 55

    The video says that the results of a sobriety tests showed that they were not intoxicated.

  • Dr.Yu
    6:32 am on March 4th, 2013 56

    #54. I was talking about some guys here overreacting to this incident. They need to go to see the doc or take some pills ….

  • tbonetylr
    6:58 am on March 4th, 2013 57

    GI,
    But why did it have to be a car chase? It looked like 6-8 cops at least were surrounding the car at one point, they must have had the plate number and I’d bet they even took smart phone pictures of all inside the car.

    If the suspects “attempted murdering” the cops they would’ve done it right there since a cop was standing right in front of the car. There would’ve even been tread marks right there, but there weren’t. With no intention to kill anyone, the numb-nuts cops reluctantly got out of the way. One of the cops(the guy in front of the car) will probably be demoted for not letting the driver to run over and kill him.

    The plate and photos weren’t enough, the cops had to get a taxi driver to go on a 100 mph possible death chase. I’m guessing here but not knowing if they actually shot someone with the air gun or threatened to and whether they did it while in the car or walking – I’d say they did it while driving along the Itaewon “strip?”

    They started out toward Noksapyeong pointing the gun at other cars/drivers/passengers, someone tells the police “Waygookin did it,” suspects proceed near the Noksapyeong subway st. where they stupidly turn around or pull a u-turn and head back along the “strip”/toward the police station/Hamilton hotel and get stopped by police near the T-intersection. The police ask them “Do you have a gun?” they say “No!” and show them their non-deadly weapon but the police weren’t satisfied and after talking giving more and more cops time to gather around the car. The cops say “Get out” or something like that but the numb-nut couldn’t find it within himself to do so and proceeded cautiously forward, turn around and step on it. But who knows, maybe they started from the other direction?

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:02 am on March 4th, 2013 58

    @55- They returned to Yongsan later in the morning and thus may have had enough time to get the alcohol out of their system before they were given a sobriety test.

  • mtt5825
    1:07 pm on March 4th, 2013 59

    Merlin, gtfo mate.

  • Leon LaPorte
    3:29 pm on March 4th, 2013 60

    From the latest S&S:

    THE head detective at the Yongsan Police Station, briefing reporters on condition he not be identified…”

    Giggity

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    4:45 pm on March 4th, 2013 61

    After seeing the video, I’ve got two questions:

    1) Does that Opirus these morons fled in belong to the SSG or did they steal it? An Opirus is not your usual GI ‘hoopty’ car, so this leads me to believe it might not have been theirs. Anybody know?

    2) Why doesn’t PAO *ever* get someone out there to talk to the media. Even if it’s just “we’re sorry that these idiots might have injured someone, we’re still investigating, the perpetrators will be turned over if warranted, bla, bla”. It would put a (hopefully sympathetic) face to the other side of the story. PAO’s silence and/or terse written press releases only add fuel to the conspiracy fire.

  • Kevin
    5:22 pm on March 4th, 2013 62

    Not a bad looking car. A 2003 Opirus had an asking price of $7200 back in July. I hope its for sale on Yongsan soon, lol.
    Local dealer Opirus ad from 2012:
    http://blog.naver.com/arethey?Redirect=Log&logNo=161696591&from=postView

  • guitard
    6:41 pm on March 4th, 2013 63

    Jinro Dukkohbi wrote:

    Why doesn’t PAO *ever* get someone out there to talk to the media. Even if it’s just “we’re sorry that these idiots might have injured someone, we’re still investigating, the perpetrators will be turned over if warranted, bla, bla”. It would put a (hopefully sympathetic) face to the other side of the story. PAO’s silence and/or terse written press releases only add fuel to the conspiracy fire.

    http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/bad-behavior-in-the-pacific/korean-police-provide-few-details-in-shooting-of-us-soldier-1.210435

    According to the Stars & Stripes: “Eighth Army’s deputy commander, Brig. Gen. Chris Gentry, and the garrison commander, Col. Michael Masley, visited the Yongsan police station on Sunday afternoon to apologize for the incident.”

    That’s not the PAO and I don’t know what all BG Gentry said, but IMO, having a General officer go to the police station the same day of the event and apologize is just as good or better than a MAJ or LTC from the PAO putting out a typically pro forma PAO statement.

  • Bobby Ray
    6:49 pm on March 4th, 2013 64

    Jinro your question 2 is bout the smartest question anyone done asked in a long time. These here days it don’t matter if you got yourself a military or a pig farm you better get yourself some kind of media professional if you go and make the news. When you is dealing with the police you need a lawyer and when you is dealing with the news you need a media professional or you is going to get burned every time.

    My gal insisted we go to that world cup back in 02. That soccer is bout as dull as a butter knife but boy did I have myself a great time. Bout halfway through some kind of american tank went and run over a couple of schoolgirl lollygagging in the roadway. It was real tragic. I followed that story for some time and it was pretty clear that it was open mike night when the military was talking to the media cause there wasn’t no professional to be seen. This here looks to be a repeat cept this time it was a solder that done got the whammy and still the military is somehow going to paint themselves right into a corner filled with antiamerican protests and Yankee go home cause they is too worried about training folks on coddling them homos or making sure guys ain’t checking out some girls backside

  • Bobby Ray
    6:52 pm on March 4th, 2013 65

    That dang submit button done got hit again by accident.

    Like I was saying they is too worried about training folks on coddling them homos or making sure guys ain’t checking out some girls backside to worry about important training like how to talk to them reporters or how to get along in Korea ir how to deal with them Koreans without getting shot. It’s a real shame for everybody involved.

  • guitard
    7:14 pm on March 4th, 2013 66

    Bout halfway through some kind of american tank went and run over a couple of schoolgirl lollygagging in the roadway. It was real tragic. I followed that story for some time and it was pretty clear that it was open mike night when the military was talking to the media cause there wasn’t no professional to be seen. This here looks to be a repeat cept this time it was a solder that done got the whammy and still the military is somehow going to paint themselves right into a corner filled with anti-american protests and Yankee go home cause they is too worried about training folks on coddling them homos or making sure guys ain’t checking out some girls backside

    Contrary to what I said when this initially broke – I don’t think this is going to blow up and become a major incident. It just doesn’t seem to have any traction and is already dying down in the news.

    Perhaps it’s because the end result was a Korean shooting an American (for a perfectly justifiable reason IMO). I’m sure we’d be having WWIII at the gates of Yongsan right now if it was the other way around.

  • Tom
    8:17 pm on March 4th, 2013 67

    Korea should ban criminal US soldiers and white English teachers with big time fetish flocking Korea.

  • guitard
    8:22 pm on March 4th, 2013 68

    Tom wrote:

    Korea should ban criminal US soldiers and white English teachers with big time fetish flocking Korea.

    And Tom 같은 Canadian 왕따.

  • Tom
    8:22 pm on March 4th, 2013 69

    I just want to say #67 is not the real Tom. I think a GI is sore at me, so he’s pretending to be me. But I do agree with you #67, whoever you are. :lol:

  • Obama's Speech Coach
    8:24 pm on March 4th, 2013 70

    Tom’s just jealous… Can’t get a date anywhere, so it must be racism… Can’t be his lack of social skills… :mrgreen:

  • Bob
    8:28 pm on March 4th, 2013 71

    Tom has social skills?

  • guitard
    10:51 pm on March 4th, 2013 72

    Hmm . . . saw a gaggle of around ten news cameras at Yongsan Gate 17 at lunch today. But it was only news crews – no chinboistas. An hour or so later, all but two of them were gone.

  • kushibo
    12:17 am on March 5th, 2013 73

    Guitard wrote:

    That’s not the PAO and I don’t know what all BG Gentry said, but IMO, having a General officer go to the police station the same day of the event and apologize is just as good or better than a MAJ or LTC from the PAO putting out a typically pro forma PAO statement.

    Ideally, isn’t the PAO’s job to manage public relations. I would agree that it’s far better for a commander to come and talk, but the PAO is supposed to be schmoozing and spinning and what-not.

    The PAO’s I’ve encountered at Yongsan Garrison were entrenched in their job and had positioned themselves as opponents of the media in all situations, bordering on professional malpractice.

  • Leon LaPorte
    12:37 am on March 5th, 2013 74

    73. Total failure. If anything the senior PAO type folks should be out wining and dining the Korean media. That is how it is done, especially here. It’s part of the culture. Adapt and overcome.

  • hardyandtiny
    1:06 am on March 5th, 2013 75

    so all three are soldiers….
    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/03/116_131484.html

  • hardyandtiny
    1:09 am on March 5th, 2013 76

    Welcome to Korea, Lopez.
    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2013/03/04/50/0301000000AEN20130304005051315F.HTML

  • hardyandtiny
    1:16 am on March 5th, 2013 77

    the driver who was shot is a corporal
    http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2968050&cloc=joongangdaily%7Chome%7Cnewslist1

  • Rick Venus
    1:35 am on March 5th, 2013 78

    Anybody want to bet that the soldiers were drive-by shooting Koreans with BB guns were Hispanic and/or African American with a history of being gangsta wannabes. Once they are identified, their Facebook pages will have all the usual pictures of posing in thug clothes, making gang signs and showing off tattoos.

  • guitard
    1:51 am on March 5th, 2013 79

    hardyandtiny: there is so much information in those articles that doesn’t match with what has been said in other articles – it’s really hard to say what’s fact and what’s fiction.

  • Leon LaPorte
    2:07 am on March 5th, 2013 80

    “According to police, Dixon told U.S. military police he was shot by an Arab but police have asked the U.S. Army to hand over the bullet he was wounded with as evidence, as they believe it was fired by a policeman.”

    I understand the legal technicalities but really? How many shooting were there in Seoul Saturday night. I’m betting somewhere less than two.

    Dixon and Wendy do not sound like Hispanic names. :roll: :razz:

  • hardyandtiny
    2:47 am on March 5th, 2013 81

    How many shootings this year?

  • hardyandtiny
    2:48 am on March 5th, 2013 82

    “hardyandtiny: there is so much information in those articles that doesn’t match with what has been said in other articles – it’s really hard to say what’s fact and what’s fiction.”

    yeah, true, wth, just threw it out there.

  • Tom Tom
    2:56 am on March 5th, 2013 83

    Yonhap doesn’t know the difference between metal BB’s and airsoft projectiles.

    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2013/03/04/50/0301000000AEN20130304005051315F.HTML

    Get shot with a metal BB, going to hurt a lot more than plastic. Article is fraught with assumptions and poor reporting.

    Also, how hard is it to get the suspects ranks correct? Educated reporters still don’t know US military ranks? Corporal (E-4) has 2 stripes, PFC (E-3) has none! ROK Army has the same rank structure!
    :roll:

    Found the car, but not the guns. Quite lazy all around.

  • Baek In-je
    3:07 am on March 5th, 2013 84

    The police tried to pull me over in an American car with SOFA plates 200 down from where they tried to pull over the Army guys. This was 2004. I was making a U-turn. The officer yelled at me to pull over and I was going to until he banged his ticket book on the trunk, so I sped away. I am guessing that they approached the Army guys in a similar rude manner.
    Look…we all know that Korean cops are useless. They are very quick to pull over a SOFA plated car and be a$$holes about it. I parked the same vehicle on the street in front of Gekko’s, the one that runs perpendicular to the Hamilton Hotel. It was ticketed. But not a damn other one of the 20 to 30 Korean plated cars were.

  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    5:37 am on March 5th, 2013 85

    After seeing the video of the car that the English-version Chosun Ilbo has: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q0zBISX5Qko I’m willing to backpedal a bit on my car statement from earlier. THAT Opirus does look old and worn enough to join the ranks of the on-post hoopty fleet. Guess I’ve just been here too long – we might be seeing Equus hoopties pretty soon too…

    As for the whole PAO thing, Bobby Ray echoes my sentiments exactly. I agree (with Guitard) that the CG, deputy CG, Garrison Commander, etc. going down and making an apology helps, but it end up in the paper (the ones who cover it, anyway) as just a quick sentence. That doesn’t have the same impact as, perhaps, someone from PAO getting down to MBC, KBS, SBS, YTN, whomever, and getting some on-camera time to put a (hopefully) sympathetic face to this whole thing. Spin power can do a lot in these cases, and by perhaps no fault of their own, the way USFK handles these events does nothing to help them in that arena. PAO has got to “go and make some news” as Bobby Ray suggests, which would at least let USFK get a small piece of the angle. The way it works now, you’ve got Korean media spin with no counter-punch. No Koreans read S&S so that is hardly and help either.

    The rest of that Chosun article: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/03/05/2013030501004.html suggests that GI crimes are on the increase and spinning out of control. They have some interesting (to the readers who don’t know any better) statistics to go along with it. Don’t you think it would be a good idea for the PAO to get to some of these news outlets, calmly and factually refuting these claims, perhaps with some kind-of eye-pleasing fancy charts that those officers are known for always being able to produce? Just a thought…

  • guitard
    5:43 am on March 5th, 2013 86

    Tom Tom wrote:

    Found the car, but not the guns. Quite lazy all around.

    My guess is that pellet gun got tossed into the Han River during that wild goose chase on North Riverside Road and is floating somewhere near Ganghwa Island about right by now.

  • guitard
    5:55 am on March 5th, 2013 87

    Jinro Dukkohbi wrote:

    Don’t you think it would be a good idea for the PAO to get to some of these news outlets, calmly and factually refuting these claims, perhaps with some kind-of eye-pleasing fancy charts that those officers are known for always being able to produce? Just a thought . . .

    What are the chances that a Korean news station would entertain the thought of letting something like that happen?

    For the sake of discussion – let’s suppose they do allow it. But then how do you control the accuracy of the hangul subtitles? How do you control the video editing? Just imagine how damaging a couple of errant translations could be.

    Guitard’s Risk vs Gain analysis: this would be way too risky – and even if it goes well, the gain would be minimal at best.

  • Bobby Ray
    7:09 am on March 5th, 2013 88

    Jinro I done looked at your video and I’m thinking that car looked ok cept for what looked like the beating it got during the chase.

    One other thing I couldn’t help but notice was there weren’t no holes in the windshield but the drivers window was either rolled down into the winter or it done got shot out. I wonder where them other two bullets got off to.

  • Ulsan Culture and Living » News Tidbits for 3/4/2013
    10:44 pm on March 6th, 2013 89

    [...] ROK Drop’s article puts it best: “most importantly it shows the extreme disconnect between some USFK servicemembers and life in Korea. Obviously these three felt like they could do whatever they were doing with the pellet guns and then run from police without being caught and it making headlines in Korea.” These idiots even thought their commanders would buy the whole “an Arab guy tried to rob us” story. [...]

  • Gaynelle
    2:26 am on March 16th, 2013 90

    Do NOT just use the answers given in this guide; check the actual laws and other sources. Some complain that teleportation isnt a movement or that they don’t have more travel choices, but I think that it’s good they put they’re time into these ones. To get you started, here are my suggestions on cook off themes, d.

 

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