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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on April 18th, 2013 at 2:13 am

Air Force General Defends Alcohol Ban In the Barracks

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Here is an update on the policy that I expect will eventually expand across the military in an effort to reduce sexual assaults:

KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — The commander behind the Air Force’s only “dry dorms” in Europe says the environment in the junior enlisted housing has improved thanks to his month-old, no-alcohol policy.

“The vast majority think it has improved the safety and quality of life that they have in the dorms,” said Brig. Gen. Charles K. Hyde, the 86th Airlift Wing commander at Ramstein Air Base. “It’s reduced the noise; it’s reduced disruptive behavior.”

Banning alcohol from the dorms is the latest measure in a campaign led by Hyde to curb bad behavior influenced by alcohol use. In February, he indefinitely extended a restriction on early morning alcohol sales at the 24-hour shoppettes in the Kaiserslautern Military Community.

The order prohibiting alcohol possession or use in or around the dormitories on Ramstein Air Base and Kapaun Air Station applies to about 1,280 junior enlisted personnel, mostly in grades E-1 to E-3 who are either single, or married but unaccompanied.

The dormitories are an extension of the training environment, a concept, Hyde says, he didn’t invent. He cites Air Force guidance, which says dormitories are “critical to the development process” of unaccompanied airmen, with the first three years of an airman’s career considered essential to shaping the future noncommissioned officer corps.

“Those dorms should provide a safe place to live and enhance our culture of professionalism and discipline,” he said. [Stars & Stripes]

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  • someotherguy
    12:18 am on April 18th, 2013 1

    Of course it “succeeded”, it would of “succeeded” regardless of the outcome unless some major event happened.

    All that did was push the alcohol consumption from the barracks into the clubs / bars. Or worse it just pushed it underground and hidden, Alcohol isn’t that hard to hide in a room.

  • Bobby Ray
    12:56 am on April 18th, 2013 2

    Whet the heck is wrong with these people . The safest place to drink is at home. We got way too many busybodies doing all sorts of stuff that causes the very trouble they is claiming to be solving. Instead of pushing them boys and girls off somewhere where they can get themselves in all sorts of mischief, they need to keep them safely at home with some adult supervision. I reckon there will be more man hours spent policing up the troublemakers from the four corners of the earth than putting someone on duty to watch over the hallways back home. That don’t even include if they are out getting into conflict with the locals.

  • 2ID Doc
    1:29 am on April 18th, 2013 3

    So what is General Living in La-La Land going to say after the first fatal DUI involving an airman from the dry barracks?

  • Flunky Brewster
    1:49 am on April 18th, 2013 4

    2- You’re right. It cuts down on drinking and driving.

  • Flunky Brewster
    1:50 am on April 18th, 2013 5

    Um, has anyone come up with a strategy to keep the GENERALS from getting in trouble?

  • Glans
    3:44 am on April 18th, 2013 6

    Alcohol is bad for your brain.

  • TxL8r
    3:50 am on April 18th, 2013 7

    For being the most slack-ass branch of service, this must really piss of those who were used to partying it up – especially in beer and booze-laden Germany. But Hyde is correct in that booze culture does not enhance professionalism. Too bad AF folks have made their unprofessional bed by all those cases of sexual misconduct at the training base in Lackland AFB, Texas, and now they have to ‘sleep in it’. This seems to be a tightening of the screws as a result of that. Along with other random and pathetic AF misconduct.

    GI, don’t hold your breath waiting for this to creep into the other branches. I think your call is premature and the other branches don’t necessarily follow Blue – nor should they.

  • tbonetylr
    7:08 am on April 18th, 2013 8

    18 million Americans are alcoholics. Comparably speaking, there ain’t any Korean “alcoholics.”
    National Geographic – Drugged – High On Alcohol
    You can’t get high on marijuana in your barracks so same same.

  • chefantwon
    10:06 am on April 18th, 2013 9

    So, are they going to ban alcohol for married people in base housing? What about banning it in VOQ? How about banning booze on base? Close all the class VI stores on all bases. Ban anyone going off base for any reason. That will stop those alcohol problems……

  • Ole Tanker
    10:43 am on April 18th, 2013 10

    It’s about time the Air Force caught up with “state of the Art” behaviour modification.

  • jerry
    12:05 pm on April 18th, 2013 11

    Well I can remember when no alcohol was allowed in barracks, at least for enlisted. This was even before they were co-ed.

  • Glans
    12:16 pm on April 18th, 2013 12

    Alcohol is bad for your liver.

  • Leon Laporte
    2:03 pm on April 18th, 2013 13

    Another Evangelical fundamentalist Christian General (EFCG) using his position and hiding behind policy to push his agenda. If he could do more, he would – they all would.

  • Liz
    2:34 pm on April 18th, 2013 14

    When we were stationed at Aviano, a Colonel there was putting a lot of pressure on the officers to sign his temperance pledge. Our squadron commander was the only commander who didn’t sign it. He was called into the Colonel’s office and the Col demanded to know why he wouldn’t sign the pledge.
    So he told him, “Well, Sir, sometimes I just want a beer.”
    The Colonel glared at him, and asked, “Like when?”
    He said, “Well, to tell you the truth I could really use a beer right now.”

    Of course the humor was lost on that guy. I always go back to Lincoln’s quote, “It has been my experience that a man without vices has damned few virtues”.

  • Ole Tanker
    4:56 pm on April 18th, 2013 15

    If alcohol is so bad? Why was Jesus’ first miracle turning water into wine?

    Few know that brewing skills in America were seriously degraded by the Prohibition and greed of the Big Corporate companies. They want more profit by adding cheap ingrediants.

    In Germany they have pure brewing laws that make a quality product.

  • Smokes
    4:57 pm on April 18th, 2013 16

    Damn you evangelical fundamentalist christian general! I hope your dog becomes an alcoholic. :(

  • Smokes
    4:59 pm on April 18th, 2013 17

    You know I’d be all ready to fire up and get behind the cause to defend people’s rights to drink but you know I don’t recall seeing the boozers help out in the war on smoking so suck it up… outside.

  • Leon LaPorte
    5:01 pm on April 18th, 2013 18

    16 LOL

  • Villain
    9:02 pm on April 18th, 2013 19

    Was this done because military clubs are losing money? Unlike the old days clubs now have to compete with the military members dorm/barracks room. There is a TV in the room with a DVD player, internet, a sound system, and for the price of three beers at the club you can buy a 12 pack. I think this is an attempt to get more people to patrionize the clubs that are in their last days.

  • Liz
    3:32 am on April 19th, 2013 20

    #19: No. If that were the case, they’d just order them all to go to the club (as they have in the past, in my experience).

  • johnhenry
    4:25 am on April 19th, 2013 21

    Yeah, right. “In the barracks.” Of course it’s only “in the barracks. Personnel junior to barracks resident but are married and living in family housing or off-base get to be treated like adults. But the poor bastards in the barracks are your basic captive audience. Way to go General. You dumbass.

    That reminds me of one time while I was stationed in Japan. A fair number of Sailors living in family housing had their parents-in-law living with them illegally in family housing and to top that off were also illegally using the family housing as their in-laws’ address to get dependent status for them. This was so easy because nobody was checking on who was going into/staying at the family housing. In the barracks, on the other hand: severely restricted visiting hours, visitors of the opposite sex could not be in the barracks room, just in the “common areas,” and of course had to show identification card to be signed in/out of the barracks building. Well, during one base “Captain’s Call,” one Sailor asked the base CO when he planned on making the barracks policy less restrictive. That jackass CO responded, “Never. I’m not running a whorehouse here.” Immediately after he said that, another Sailor shouted, “We’re not interested in where you met your wife, Skipper!”

    Oh, and in case you think it doesn’t matter who’s staying in the family housing: one illegally visiting/residing mother-in-law was entrusted to be child care provider (also illegal on base without going through the appropriate courses and inspections). She wasn’t paying attention and one of the tykes managed to fall out of the apartment window, the apartment being on one of the upper floors of the “tower apartments” on the base.

    That General is no different than the base CO and very many other officers: they just can’t seem to grasp that it’s not single people living in barracks that’s the problem. The problem is in how single people living in barracks are being treated!

    By the way, in case I forgot to say it, General: you’re a jackass.

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