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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on August 18th, 2013 at 2:45 am

ROK Drop Open Thread – August 18, 2013

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  • Glans
    3:05 am on August 18th, 2013 1

    The Norks have agreed to reunions of families separated since the 1950s, according to a banner at CNN. It says this came from Nork media, but it didn’t give a link. So we’ll see if anything comes of it.

  • ChickenHead
    5:20 am on August 18th, 2013 2

    Glans, I am startled by your overt bigotry!

    Certainly you wouldn’t refer to Japanese as Japs, Chinese as Chinks, Hangooks as Gooks, Filipinos as Flippers, etc… so how can you call North Koreans “Norks”?

    That’s racist.

  • Glans
    5:29 am on August 18th, 2013 3

    Jamaica’s murder rate has fallen forty percent since 2009. Use of unleaded fuel began in 1990, and leaded fuel was banned in 2000. Kevin Drum acknowledges at Mother Jones that he doesn’t know the blood levels of small Jamaican children going back to 1990, so this isn’t conclusive proof, but it fits the lead hypothesis like a glove. If you get rid of lead, twenty years later you have lower crime rates.

    Head, I permit myself certain limited bigotries. For another example, I call the German forces in WWII ‘Nazis’.

  • tbonetylr
    6:58 pm on August 18th, 2013 4

    ‘Walmart’s Worst Nightmare? A Little Discount Grocery Chain Named WinCo’
    “WinCo keeps costs low by buying directly from suppliers and eliminating middlemen, according to Tuttle. It also doesn’t accept credit cards and has customers bag their own groceries…
    …For instance, WinCo might only carry two brands of toothpaste, while Walmart has more than 40.
    Unlike Walmart, whose employees have demanded better wages, the company provides health benefits to employees who work 24 hours per week and a pension…
    …”Generally speaking, shoppers tolerate Walmart’s empty shelves and subpar customer service because the prices are so good,” Tuttle writes. “The fact that another retailer — even a small regional one — is able to compete and sometimes beat Walmart on prices, while also operating well-organized stores staffed by workers who enjoy their jobs, like their employer, and genuinely want the company to be successful. Well, that’s got to alarm the world’s biggest retailer, if not keep executives up at night.”

  • tbonetylr
    8:08 pm on August 18th, 2013 5

    Lovers of ‘KAL Settles Price-Fixing Class Action Suit for $65M’
    “It has been belatedly revealed that Korean Air Lines, the nation’s top carrier, agreed to pay $65 million last month to settle a class action suit in the United States after the company was accused of price fixing on flights between the U.S. and Korea.
    According to KAL, the company will pay $39 million in cash and $26 million in travel vouchers to a group of U.S. passengers who claimed the air carrier conspired with its smaller rival Asiana Airlines to fix fares and fuel surcharges.
    People who purchased tickets in the U.S. between Jan. 1, 2000 and Aug. 1, 2007, for flights between the U.S. and Korea, are eligible to receive compensation according to information posted on a Web site describing the settlement.”

  • tbonetylr
    12:51 am on August 19th, 2013 6

    Netizens Attack Comfort Woman that Died. Some real doozies calling her a s*** and w**** even with some emphasis “f****** w****.” The family says they’re going to sue but how can they sue Ilbe pseudonyms/anonymous? I think the whole CW thing has been blown out of proportion but don’t think the dead deserve this. Leave it to the Korean netizens to win in evil.

  • Jstrasz
    1:37 am on August 19th, 2013 7

    Where was cAgent Orange stored in Korea? Was it stored in Tokyo, Manilla, or Saigon or Kunsan? Thanks

  • tbonetylr
    7:24 am on August 19th, 2013 8

    ‘Gwangju choir kids in trouble for Che Guevara t-shirts’
    “At first, the city of Gwangju did not regard the outfits as a problem. The outfits had simply intended to express a message of peace through the contrast between white and black, the city argued, denying that there had been any other intention.

    But when some conservative newspapers criticized the Che Guevera outfits on Aug. 16, the city belatedly decided to refer the issue of disciplinary action for the choir head to the disciplinary committee, reports say.

    The artistic and cultural establishment in Gwangju responded to this by saying that the tendency to take issue with pure artistic expression is a problem.
    “I cannot understand how they are taking issue with this despite the fact that the concert did not have any ideological bent,” said Mun Sun-tae, a renowned fiction writer.
    “If Gwangju wants to become a city of culture and creativity as it claims, it needs to be actively encouraging artistic expression,” Moon said. “The reason that it is taking issue with such expression is because of a misunderstanding of history.”

  • Glans
    5:33 pm on August 19th, 2013 9

    Sixty years ago today, the US and UK overthrew the Iranian government. The CIA now admits it.

    “[T]he military coup that overthrew Mosadeq and his National Front cabinet was carried out under CIA direction as an act of U.S. foreign policy,” the history reads. The risk of leaving Iran “open to Soviet aggression,” it adds, “compelled the United States … in planning and executing TPAJAX.”

    digby links to the FP story, which is behind a pay wall.

  • Glans
    6:34 am on August 20th, 2013 10

    “It’s Your War Too” is a War Department film from 1944 encouraging women to join the army. See it on Youtube.

  • Liz
    10:01 am on August 20th, 2013 11

    Cool video, Glans. I have two great aunts (RIP) who were WASPs.

  • Glans
    11:58 am on August 20th, 2013 12

    Liz’s great aunts were very special ladies. Wikipedia says:

    Twenty-five thousand women applied to join the WASP, but only 1,830 were accepted and took the oath. Out of these, only 1,074 of them passed the training and joined.

  • ChickenHead
    12:36 pm on August 20th, 2013 13

    So these two WASPs are playing their weekly game of golf.

    One looks at the other and says, “I do say, Wilthrop, we see each other every week but you never ask after my family.”

    The other WASP ponders for a moment. “Why Clifton, I dare say you are right. How is your family?”

    “Quite well, thank you.”

  • Baek, In-je
    12:45 pm on August 20th, 2013 14

    The most insane Koreans you will see this year, right now…pictures on my blog. Seriously…this is the most f#%ked up stupid Korean sh!t you’ll see all year, and I have the pics. I promise this to be true.

  • Ole Tanker
    7:33 pm on August 20th, 2013 15

    #11 The days of White Anglo Saxon Protestants running the show in America is over:)

  • tbonetylr
    7:34 pm on August 20th, 2013 16

    ‘Korean Delivery Man Spits in McDonalds Burger and Taunts Customer Via Text’
    “McDonald’s Korea has come under public scrutiny recently after a delivery man informed his customer of allegedly having spit in his hamburger.
    About two weeks ago, a college student in Seoul, identified only by his last name Kim, placed an order for two hamburger combos. He reportedly had to wait longer than 40 minutes for the food to arrive. Naturally, waiting 40 minutes for a food delivery would not sit well with Koreans who are fully attuned to the country’s longstanding ppali ppali culture. To make matters worse, it was reported that Kim had to give the driver directions to his residence four times.

    The tone or details of the phone conversation between Kim and the delivery man is unknown, but a little less than an hour after the food was delivered, Kim received a text message from an unknown sender that read, “Did you like eating my spit?”

  • Baek, In-je
    8:22 pm on August 20th, 2013 17

    For every Korean who deliberately taints your food, there are thousands more who do it out of ignorance, sloth, laziness, disregard for hygiene, or just because they have the dirty habits of toddlers.

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    9:14 pm on August 20th, 2013 18

    delivery slow
    impatient man rages phone
    enjoy spit rude man

    /it’s international
    //he might have been screwing with him :roll:

  • tbonetylr
    7:11 am on August 21st, 2013 19

    ‘New NSA Revelations Detail How it Scans 75% of the Internet Through Telco Partnerships’ – That content includes the writing of emails – not merely their metadata
    “It commands ISPs to send it “various stream Internet traffic it believes most likely to contain foreign intelligence.” Following, the agency makes a copy of the information, and then runs searches on it, perhaps using an email address.
    Other NSA programs include XKeyscore, which allows NSA operatives to quickly access private email.

    The NSA recently stated that it only “touches” 1.6 percent of Internet data. That figure, I presume, is what the NSA touches after the information has been sent to them, and then culled to their liking. However, the total data inflow to the NSA is far, far higher than the 1.6 percent. The 75 percent figure that the Journal reported today refers to domestic Internet traffic, some of which is foreign in origin, simply passing through fiber in the country.
    Most startling in the Journal report is news that during the 2002 Olympic games in Salt Lake City, the NSA worked with the FBI to track all email and text message communications of everyone in the area for a six-month period. Quest Communications was the provider they employed. If you were looking for a cut-and-dried example of the NSA abusing its rights and absolving the right to privacy and the Fourth Amendment in practice, there you go.
    Also, during that time, the government was in fact reading the emails of American citizens, as it continues to claim not to do. At some point the NSA must stop lying before it has no credibility left.”

  • Glans
    7:56 am on August 21st, 2013 20

    Remember Hurricane Katrina? Public Policy Polling asked Louisiana Republicans about it.

    Who do you think was more responsible for the poor response to Hurricane Katrina: George W. Bush or Barack Obama?
    28% George W. Bush
    29% Barack Obama
    14% not sure

    PPP provided this poll exclusively to TPM.

  • Denny
    6:08 am on August 22nd, 2013 21

    BREAKING: Bradley Manning wants to live as a woman, named Chelsea Manning

  • Denny
    6:18 am on August 22nd, 2013 22

    Top Israeli official “sick” of commemorating Hiroshima, Nagasaki A-bomb victims, Israel apologizes

  • tbonetylr
    7:57 am on August 22nd, 2013 23

    Maryland County East Sea policy
    “There are 80 elementary schools, 19 middle schools and 12 high schools in the county.

    “The National Geographic Society and many other cartographic institutions, atlases and textbooks are now labeling maps of the region of East Sea with both names — Sea of Japan and East Sea,” the guide reads.
    It advises teachers to explain the controversy over the body of water to their students when teaching about the geography of the region.
    It adds that geographic names have historical importance, carry cultural values, and deliver an explicit but delicate message to the people and society.
    The U.S. officially still calls the body of water only “Sea of Japan” because it has a single-name policy for geographic entities.”

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:04 pm on August 22nd, 2013 24

    22. I’m certain quite a few people are sick of holocaust commemoration and the world wide, induced, permanent guilt trip associated with it.

  • Glans
    6:00 pm on August 22nd, 2013 25

    24. I’m tired of hearing complaints about the Roman empire.

  • Smokes
    6:49 pm on August 22nd, 2013 26

    Regarding Prisoner Manning’s Latest Drama
    “There is a clear legal consensus that it is the government’s responsibility to provide medically necessary care for transgender people and the military has an obligation to follow those guidelines.”
    Manning’s lawyer, David Coombs, told “Today” that he’ll take action if the Army doesn’t provide the hormone therapy Manning has requested.
    “I’m hoping Fort Leavenworth would do the right thing and provide that,” Coombs said. “If Fort Leavenworth does not, then I am going to do everything in my power to make sure that they are forced to do so.”

    Uhh wtf? First off just stating “I’m a woman” doesn’t immediately make you Transgender, even if it did how the hell is it the Army’s responsibility and the people’s dime that have to facilitate this? He needs to do what most other ladyboys do once he serves his sentance, sell that ass on Craigslist to pay for his surgery and hormones. Not sure how many dudes are looking to get with what’ll be a 55 – 65 year old aspiring ladyboy though.

  • tbonetylr
    8:43 pm on August 22nd, 2013 27

    @ 21 & 26,
    ’8 Real Spies And Actual Bad Guys Who Got Shorter Sentences Than Bradley Manning’
    Bradley Manning received a 35-year prison sentence for leaking information to the website WikiLeaks in 2010.
    “But supporters of Manning — who has maintained that his actions were driven by his desire to expose brutality and wrongdoing being carried out by America’s military and diplomatic corps — argued that he deserves to be pardoned for his part in the revelations. Anti-war activists and civil libertarians have also commended Manning for his part in the leaks, saying that he helped accelerate the drawing down of U.S. military engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan and provided important fodder for the Arab revolutions in 2010 and 2011.” William Colton Millay, 16 years for attempting to sell secrets to a Russian spy. David Henry Barnett, 18 years for selling classified documents to Soviet officials. Harold James Nicholson, 23 years for providing highly classified information to Russia. Ana Belen Montes, 25 years for passing classified information to Cuba’s government. Earl Edwin Pitts, 27 years for giving classified information to Russian intelligence services. Michael Peri, 30 years for passing defense secrets to communist East Germany. Clayton Lonetree, 30 years for delivering classified information from American embassies to Soviet agents. Albert Sombolay, 34 years for giving a Jordanian intelligence agent key information about the U.S. military buildup ahead of the first Gulf War.

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:20 pm on August 22nd, 2013 28

    27. Wall Street bankers and traders scored exactly zero (0) days confinement.

  • Smokes
    11:06 pm on August 22nd, 2013 29

    Highly classified eh? That’s like “G14 Classified” stuff right?

  • John in NY
    8:25 am on August 23rd, 2013 30

    What a shame. We don’t have too many WW2 veterans left. You don’t want to see stories like this. :evil: :cry:

  • ChickenHead
    8:44 am on August 23rd, 2013 31

    John in NY… stop diluting the message with this hype and nonsense. A WHITE Hispanic shot a violent colored thug… and that requires presidential attention and the focus of the nation.

    This unimportant incident that you cite, along with several others, including dousing a white 13 year-old with gasoline, shooting a white jogger in a drive-by, 50% of murders are by black males, et al, are just distractions from the message that… that… white people (and their culture) are bad because of… of… slavery or something.

    Knock it off and get with the program.

  • Glans
    10:21 am on August 23rd, 2013 32

    Two Sovereign Citizens were allegedly planning to arrest, try, and execute police officers. The FBI considers their group a terrorist threat. The Metro Police in Las Vegas arrested the pair, David Allen Brutsche and Devon Campbell Newman. Here’s the story at the Las Vegas Sun.

  • tbonetylr
    10:59 pm on August 24th, 2013 33

    The Smashing Pumpkins Corgan is wild, just a tad below…
    CORGAN: At some point, you have to mature into the deeper work. Most people are living lives of sort of survival. And constantly posing an existential crisis, either through fantasy or oblivion, really has been pretty much explored in rock and roll. At least in the western version of rock and roll. Maybe not over here in Asia, but we’ve sort of, kind of, been through all that.
    RAJPAL: So what are you exploring now?
    CORGAN: God. I once did – a big American magazine was doing a thing called, “The Future of Rock”.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: And, you know, they asked 50 artists, “What’s the future of rock?” And my answer was, “God”. And they said, “What do you mean?” And I said, “Well, God’s the third rail of -” What is it? “Social security is the third rail of politics in America”. Well, God is the third rail in rock and roll. You’re not supposed to talk about God. Even though most of the world believes in God. It’s sort of like, “Don’t go there”.

    I think God’s the great, unexplored territory in rock and roll music. And I actually said that. I thought it was perfectly poised. And, of course, they didn’t put it in the interview.
    RAJPAL: What would you say to Christian rockers, then?
    CORGAN: Make better music.
    CORGAN: Personally, my opinion – I think Jesus would like better bands, you know?
    CORGAN: Now I’m going to get a bunch of Christian rock hate mail.
    RAJPAL: But that’s interesting -
    CORGAN: Just wait, here’s a better quote -
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: Hey, Christian rock, if you want to be good, stop copying U2. U2 already did it. You know what I mean? There’s a lot of U2-esque Christian rock.
    RAJPAL: Sure.
    CORGAN: Bono and company created the template for modern Christian rock. And I like to think Jesus would want us all to evolve.


    CORGAN: And people start doing stupid stuff – stunts and -
    RAJPAL: Did you buy into that?
    CORGAN: You do on some level. I grew up in sports, so it sort of always made sense to be competitive. Like, if you’re going to try to dunk on me, I’m going to dunk on you.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: And there’s something beautiful like, you know, you read about how the Beatles and Stones would sort of take turns trying to get the number one song. I don’t think there’s anything bad with that. But realistically, artists are really in a race with their own ability. And if you too much focus on the culture – the culture’s always going to give you the wrong information. It’s been proven time and time again that cultures really don’t know what they want. Hence, you know, great artist like Johnny Cash dies, and everyone’s like, “Oh my God, Johnny Cash was great”.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: Well, I bet if you look to Johnny Cash’s career, there are about 30 years, there, where people weren’t paying a lot of attention to Johnny Cash. Why didn’t they pay attention to him all along? Well, they were busy doing something else or they were fascinated with this trend, or something. And then we realize, “Wow, what a great treasure Johnny Cash was, not to American culture, but to the entire world”. Ultimately, the public’s going to abandon you, the record company’s going to turn on you at some point when you don’t sell enough – so it’s really an integrity game.
    RAJPAL: How do you keep your integrity?
    CORGAN: You have to have a root of some sort of belief system. And, for me, you know, I sort of work on the love concept, which is, you know – is what you’re doing engendered of love or is it engendered of some sort of material construct? And I think there’s plenty of evidence to prove that material constructs fail.
    RAJPAL: Did it start out that way, when you created the band? Did it start out?
    CORGAN: No, no. I wanted to get the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] out of my city. And it wasn’t even – it was like the Wizard of Oz – sorry for the swear.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: I wanted to get the heck out of my city. It was like “The Wizard of Oz”. I just wanted to get on the Yellow Brick Road and get somewhere.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: Because where I was, was just so, like, I mean, you know.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: So leaving is a conceptual thing. Fighting the thing out there – the dragon out there- – it’s all conceptual. But if you don’t have the spiritual background, the cultural background, somebody doesn’t find you at an age and say, “You’re talented, you’re special” and get you in a system that’s going to support you.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: Rock and roll is basically, you know – it’s a system of exploitation.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: And I hate to use the word because it’s honestly disrespectful, but it’s a slave system. It’s an indentured sort of slave system where they kind of lock you in and then they play tricks with your mind and try to get as much out of you, predicated on the idea that you’re only going to last four or five years.
    RAJPAL: But that system -
    CORGAN: Yes?
    RAJPAL: — did get you recognized. Did get you -
    CORGAN: Did it?
    RAJPAL: Didn’t it?
    CORGAN: Where are all my fans? There’s no one waiting in the lobby over there.


    RAJPAL: But then, some could say, well, if you look back at your – say, when you were growing up – same kind of dysfunction, right?
    CORGAN: True, true.
    RAJPAL: What did you learn about yourself in that experience?
    CORGAN: Which one?
    RAJPAL: The first band experience.
    CORGAN: I would say the key experience for me, from the original version Smashing Pumpkins was, “What is loyalty?” What is loyalty? Because I had a false concept of loyalty and I rode that ship all the way to the bottom. When most people wiser than I, would have jumped off the ship when it was to their benefit.
    So people always say, “What’s your greatest career regret?” It’s when the band blew up in ’96, that I didn’t jump off and make a new ship. I rode that ship all the way to the bottom. Like, literally, until it was like the bubbles were coming up and I was sitting there like -
    RAJPAL: Is it kind of like, you know, when you’re staying in a bad relationship, that you’re always hoping that something will change. That things will work out in some way, shape, or form.
    CORGAN: Yes. I’m sure you’ve only had successful relationships, but I mean, if you’ve ever been there where you’re breaking up with somebody for the ninth time -
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: And you’re like, “Ok, this is real”, right? You know.
    RAJPAL: Yes.
    CORGAN: We did a lot of that. We didn’t really break up so much as we were like, “OK, now it’s going to be like this, or it’s going to be like this”. And then, of course, nothing would change.
    RAJPAL: What about when it comes to what you learned about yourself from your family?
    CORGAN: False loyalty.
    RAJPAL: Again?
    CORGAN: I think a lot of people really struggle with false loyalty.


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