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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on November 25th, 2013 at 3:25 am

Lawmakers Want Soldiers Married To Illegals to Be Able to Enlist

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So what do those of you who married to a foreigner and completed all the proper paperwork to receive a permanent residency card think of this?:

Lawmakers are complaining to the Pentagon about a Navy and Marine Corps policy that prohibits the acceptance of new recruits who are married to illegal immigrants.

While there is no overarching Defense Department policy that bars such recruits from serving, the Navy and Marine Corps have adopted that de facto policy.

“There is no reason I can think of why any branch of the military should restrict the military service of individuals based on the immigration status of someone else in their family — none. I want to know where this is happening, why and what is being done to fix it,” said Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, D-Ill., in a statement Friday. [Army Times]

There is no reason if an American is married to an illegal that they cannot get the paperwork done for a permanent residency card. It can be time consuming and extremely frustrating at times but that is the law. It seems instead of compromising the security of the US military it would be better to streamline the permanent residency card process for those wanting to enlist.

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  • Flyingsword
    3:54 am on November 25th, 2013 1

    It’s official, the American congress is completely insane!!!!!

  • MSgt A
    3:58 am on November 25th, 2013 2

    If the potential recruit requires a security clearance to fulfill his military duties, well, good luck with that; it is hard enough to be granted a clearance with a (legal) foreign spouse, much less being married to an illegal immigrant.

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:13 am on November 25th, 2013 3

    Remember, the army needs K.P’s, cooks, and grass mowers now! :razz:

  • Judge and Jury
    5:48 am on November 25th, 2013 4

    Joe, or Jose, as the case may be, cannot have his illegal cake and eat it too.

    As a result of being married to these illegal citizens, potential enlistees find themselves outside the law when it comes to the Services being legally able to grant their spouses the spousal entitlements and benefits accorded to otherwise fully legal citizens.

    There is no need to streamline anything, policy or otherwise, in regard to citizenship for enlistees.

    There is however, a need to comply with laws established to verify the legal status of spouses of U.S. Service members, which then in turn entitles them to full entitlements and privileges of each Service.

    It’s pretty clear to understand that if a person is illegally residing, they are illegally residing when they are married to a Service member as well.

    You are correct that the enlistee must go through the process of establishing the legal status of their spouse – most likely by an initial temporary alien residency, followed by permanent alien residency, and even perhaps U.S. citizenship eventually.

    The Illinois Representative is a disgrace, an ignorant tool, and a jackass.

    Your wife is under the table
    But her green card to find – you’re unable
    Don’t let that stop you
    From joining the Nav-oo
    Since all hands love to eat tac-oo’s

  • tbonetylr
    6:03 am on November 25th, 2013 5

    More entitlements to soldiers? Let’s just say that all American citizens are now allowed to get hired and work for the federal government. But wait, the federal government should send us abroad on a free flight which would allow us to meet foreign women, marry them, and fly home, yes that would be a round-trip ticket + 1(illegal alien wife).

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    6:09 am on November 25th, 2013 6

    @2- It seems if the people pushing this have their way it appears they would grant security clearance waivers to people married to illegals. :???:

  • 2ID Doc
    8:07 am on November 25th, 2013 7

    D-Ill.

    I think that says it all…IL has become the new CA. CA seems more rational these days (except San Francisco).

  • guitard
    8:10 am on November 25th, 2013 8

    MSgt A wrote:

    If the potential recruit requires a security clearance to fulfill his military duties, well, good luck with that; it is hard enough to be granted a clearance with a (legal) foreign spouse, much less being married to an illegal immigrant.

    Depends quite a bit on what level of security clearance. Unless there have been some dramatic procedural changes, it takes very little to get a SECRET clearance. A TS clearance is a different story though, but only a small fraction of those serving need a TS clearance.

  • Baek, In -je
    9:22 am on November 25th, 2013 9

    These lawmakers do not understand what they are doing. They, Obama, and the current administration do not understand the concept of OPSEC.
    I have spoken and written many times about the incredibly lax security at Yongsan garrison. Now, illegals will be given ration cards and access to sensitive areas? I am hoping that these two are not pointing to a larger trend of a severe lack of security for America and Americans, to include those who defend.

    This goes hand in hand with Koreans on US army bases who sell gasoline and other products on the black market. When was the last time you were filling up gas on Yongsan and every Korean at the pumps was not bringing spare gas tanks out of their vehicles and filling them up? They sell that gas. I don’t know why we let them get away with it.

  • setnaffa
    10:05 am on November 25th, 2013 10

    If they can’t obey the law before they enlist, what makes anyone think they can afterwards?

  • guitard
    11:08 am on November 25th, 2013 11

    Baek, In -je Wrote:

    This goes hand in hand with Koreans on US army bases who sell gasoline and other products on the black market. When was the last time you were filling up gas on Yongsan and every Korean at the pumps was not bringing spare gas tanks out of their vehicles and filling them up? They sell that gas. I don’t know why we let them get away with it.

    So why don’t you write down their license plate numbers – or better yet – why don’t you get your phone out and take some pictures – and report them to the Black Market Hotline?

    Here’s the number: DSN 738-5118

  • Flyingsword
    1:41 pm on November 25th, 2013 12

    It would seem to me if you marry an illegal alien then you aiding and abetting a criminal. Which makes you a criminal too. And since you are a party and participant also guilty of conspiracy after the fact.

    So, now it will be OK to enlist criminals?

    The U.S. Congress has lost its Fing mind!!!!

  • Smokes
    4:45 pm on November 25th, 2013 13

    The security clearance side of this is the the only thing I can see as a problem. I guess you can put an “Army Values” spin on it too because they should’ve known better. Bah…

  • Ole Tanker
    5:18 pm on November 25th, 2013 14

    So, Guitard. You are telling me that anyone can get a SECRET clearnce and if they falsified paperwork to get LQA, there is no correlation:(

    Yes, the Government hires the best and brightest.

  • redwhitedude
    7:09 pm on November 25th, 2013 15

    I say make the illegals serve. In fact set up sort of a ‘penal unit’ for them to serve doing some of the most difficult tasks.

  • Baek, In -je
    7:44 pm on November 25th, 2013 16

    @ Leon,
    “Remember, the army needs K.P’s, cooks, and grass mowers now!”

    Oh, and I’m the racist?

  • Baek, In -je
    7:47 pm on November 25th, 2013 17

    @Guitard,
    If it is so rampant and so out in the open, then the MPs will not do anything about it and the black market hotline surely wont. Why should I get fired for making trouble for Mr.Kims on the base? You think that will not get around that I am taking a lot of pictures and turning in Mr.Kims?

  • guitard
    8:21 pm on November 25th, 2013 18

    Ole Tanker wrote:

    So, Guitard. You are telling me that anyone can get a SECRET clearnce and if they falsified paperwork to get LQA, there is no correlation

    You must have read some other post and got it mixed up with mine.

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:27 pm on November 25th, 2013 19

    16. What in that comment implied race? I’m assuming most of those with illegal spouses would be white guys. So, YOU saw K.P. and yard mower and automatically identified those jobs with a race. So, while I didn’t necessarily insist you were a racist before, I am now.

  • guitard
    8:27 pm on November 25th, 2013 20

    Baek, In -je wrote:

    If it is so rampant and so out in the open, then the MPs will not do anything about it and the black market hotline surely wont. Why should I get fired for making trouble for Mr.Kims on the base? You think that will not get around that I am taking a lot of pictures and turning in Mr.Kims?

    Then why did you ask in your first post, “I don’t know why we let them get away with it?”

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:13 pm on November 25th, 2013 21

    …and I woke up in a tub of ice with my kidney missing.

    thanks Obama

    In other news:

    Actually, what’s been happening around here is that the gangs knock out a random victim, who then wakes up with his pants unzipped and his penis exposed. Upon closer examination, he realizes that there are multiple colored rings around his penis. Those rings were left by the gang members themselves, who dare each other to put on lipstick and see who can take more of the victim’s penis into his mouth. The person who loses must draw a jelly bracelet from a paper bag, with different colors standing for different sexual acts. He must wear this bracelet until someone manages to rip it off, at which point the person who ripped it off gets to redeem the corresponding sexual favor. It’s a disturbing trend.

  • Flyingsword
    1:54 pm on November 26th, 2013 22

    #21 WTF :shock: Heard of the knock out game and ‘polar bear hunting’ but (if true) is just crazy.

    And people ask me why I prefer living overseas…..

  • Vince Ryder
    2:07 pm on November 26th, 2013 23

    I think the answer here is a common sense approach. If a service has willing, qualified applicants to enlist without resorting to those married to an illegal, then don’t allow the illegal-married applicants in until there is a shortage of qualified, willing applicants. In other words, tie goes to the person NOT married to an illegal (so to speak). No point in making things more complex than necessary. This is just one item on the long list of potentially disqualifying things which I would check before signing up a new recruit. As far as security clearances, as has been mentioned, this is only a problem at the TS-Special Access (etc.) levels, generally. The only access I was ever denied (slow-rolled) was to SAP-level after divulging my (then soon to be US citizen–never illegal) spouse’s family (1 member) had a foreign government connection. I saw the writing on the wall there and retired after the following assignment. No hard feelings either way.

  • Judge and Jury
    5:50 am on November 27th, 2013 24

    Gotta go with the Flying Sword on this one.

    All you soft-ballers who wish to have soft crimes, like being illegally married and enjoying benefits illegally, ignored because you do not wish to experience ‘hard feelings’ or wish to ‘not make things more complex than necessary’ – please kindly trade your citizenship in to your local recruiting station and return to your home/job/family as an illegal alien in the United States…and carry on with your illegal life. Enjoy.

  • Leon LaPorte
    6:11 am on November 27th, 2013 25

    24. I am firmly anti-illegal alien.

    I notice a disturbing trend. If anyone disagrees (right with left, left with right, even religious and atheist) they are not real Americans. They are not worthy of respect. They are not worthy of citizenship. They should get the f@rk out of the US of A, dammit!

    That’s no way to run a democracy. That’s more how you end up like the former Yugoslavia.

  • ChickenHead
    6:13 am on November 27th, 2013 26

    If you have illegal drugs, can you show it off and enlist?

    If you have illegal guns, can you show it off and enlist?

    If you have illegal child pr0n, can you show it off and enlist?

    If you have an illegal spouse, can you show it off and enlist?

  • Judge and Jury
    6:08 pm on November 28th, 2013 27

    25. Your comments consistently indicate so.

    Disagreement does not lead to deportation; defiance of laws and disregarding regulations does and should.

    26. Silly chicken, of course you can; unless…you have established a nice little criminal record – in that case, all the above are yours to show off while you are being shown the doorway back out onto the street.

  • ChickenHead
    6:44 pm on November 28th, 2013 28

    Judge and Jury, I’m not sure he consequences of flaunting those 4 illegal items are the same.

  • Judge and Jury
    4:56 am on November 29th, 2013 29

    No, they most probably are not. And thus the pro-con of comparative justice. I get it.

    But to focus in on an enlistment, yes, they all carry the same disqualification consequence. Any illegality that is covered in the enlistment guidelines should be sufficient grounds for disqualification.

  • Vince Ryder
    11:19 am on November 29th, 2013 30

    One other thought (for what it’s worth). Since conviction for harboring an illegal alien is up to five (5) years confinement, shouldn’t the govt not just “deny” enlistment, but prosecute the enlistment applicants? Do they EVER do this? Perhaps the govt isn’t so worried about illegal immigration after all…

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:25 pm on November 29th, 2013 31

    29. But SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!

    Want to know more?

  • Judge and Jury
    4:50 am on December 1st, 2013 32

    30- you make a good point. But then that begs the question of what exactly determines the act of harboring. I have no clue.
    31- Sure, citizenship for the Service member, but surely you do not mean the spouse? C’mon, show me proof otherwise. The spouse can enjoy an expedited path to citizenship, but it’s not guaranteed. Joe can earn his citizenship by serving honorably, but Mrs. Joe still has to earn hers with legal documentation, and periods of legal alien citizenship. There ain’t nothin’ that guarantees her citizenship. Is there?

  • ChickenHead
    5:45 am on December 1st, 2013 33

    “But then that begs the question of what exactly determines the act of harboring.”

    The laws on harboring a fugitive are well-established. Harboring an illegal alien should be similar… and might be… though they are certainly not enforced anywhere near the same.

    Nobody wants to do anything about illegal immigration… except the majority of American citizens who are educated on the matter. An influx of third world aliens bringing third world problems will benefit no Americans regardless of their ethnicity or race.

    Sadly, short-term goal oriented politicians from both parties want MORE immigrants… even if that means waving a magic legal wand and making illegal ones into legal ones.

    Democrats want an underclass of uneducated future voters that turn to them for aid and attention when they can’t quite assimilate into successful American culture or economy. Legalized aliens can vote now and the rapidly-bred children of illegal aliens can vote in less than two decades.

    Republicans are owned by big business who want the labor market to be more “competitive” with harder work for lower wages and fewer benefits. Republican-pushed globalization levels the world by bringing down American standards. Americans sacrifice lifestyle for the third world’s economic self-perpetuating incapability.

    Labor Intensive Big Business wants third world aliens to do the hard jobs that can’t be shipped overseas… farming, food processing, construction, remaining factories, etc… the jobs “Americans won’t do” because welfare pays more… or at least enough to live without all that backbreaking work.

    Tech Industries want skilled aliens because Americans want much more pay than a third world alien who may well have the same technical skills.

    It doesn’t help that many American students treat university as extended high school and for-profit universities greedy for loan money and government funding have been happy to accommodate this attitude as they become no more than diploma mills pushing useless degrees with low standards of completion.

    When the gated community elite of government and industry is conspiring for something, it is hard for average citizens to fight it without being unified… even if it means the decline of social order and living standards for much of the population. The American population has been divided over immigration as it has been marketed to Hispanics as ethnic pride, marketed to blacks as an emotional racial equality issue, and marketed to whites as being racist to oppose.

    There is a big benefit to allowing legal immigration of skilled workers if there is a shortage of American workers to do the same job. There is no benefit in allowing the unskilled, unwashed third world masses with their third world ways and third world problems when there are so many Americans dependent on public funds.

    It seems so clear.

  • Judge and Jury
    1:55 am on December 2nd, 2013 34

    And this ties into an enlistment by what avenue?

    I suppose not all illegal alien spouses are ‘third world’ and ‘unskilled and unwashed’. Ex. A young American wants to enlist. He is married to a formerly legal alien who has let her alien registration expire, and who now is illegal. But she has a four-year degree in engineering design, and keeps herself clean. IAW your explanation above, the Dems want her to forget her advanced education and join the Housekeeping Local Union, and the Reps want her to set up her own small business and pay employment taxes to support her LLC and big government. Maybe not the typical circumstance, but surely the labor and business pools could benefit from her and hubby becoming legal again, and also serving the Nation’s defense.

    My beef is with those who expect the free pass, or forgiveness pass, or the family pass, or now, as the article indicates our elected Reps. would like to offer – the Soldier pass. Forget the skilled/unskilled worker topic for the moment. Tell me why the skilled illegal alien spouse should get a dependent I.D. card. You seem to be able to understand why not – please explain again to the others.

 

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