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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on December 13th, 2013 at 3:53 am

Congressional Budget Deal Causes Big Cut To Pay of Military Retirees

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This budget deal that was recently announced is better than the other ideas involving military retirement that some have been trying to make happen, but it is still a major blow to US military retirees and soon to be retirees:

The yearly value of a 20-year military retirement would be cut for the current force steadily until age 62 under a COLA cap provision in the “bipartisan” budget deal struck by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), the House and Senate budget committee chairmen.

The cumulative effect would be to cut the lifetime value of military retirement by roughly $83,000 for a typical enlisted member who retires at age 40 after 20 years’ service.  The typical officer retiring at age 42 after 20 would lose about $124,000.

That’s according to retired Air Force Col. Michael F. Hayden, director of government relations for Military Officers Association of America.  Hayden also serves are co-chair of The Military Coalition, an umbrella group of more than 30 military and veteran associations, rushing to try to kill the deal.

Targeted in Ryan-Murray deal is full inflation protection for “working age” military retirees, those younger than 62.  Retirees 62 and older would continue to get annual cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) that match inflation as measured by the government’s Consumer Price Index.  [Stars & Stripes]

You can read more at the link but as the article shows military retirees are basically paying an additional $83,000-$124,000 in additional taxes to the government by not being paid this money during their retirement.  This deal also effects new government hires retirement as well but not those currently working who have over 5 years of service.

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  • Jinro Dukkohbi
    4:16 am on December 13th, 2013 1

    I just don’t understand why these nimrods always want to ‘balance the budget’ almost exclusively on the backs of the military. I don’t see much of anything else being cut…

  • Liz
    5:00 am on December 13th, 2013 2

    #1: This is why:

    http://nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

    Military, and veteran’s benefits are among the very few items in the discretionary income pile.

  • Glans
    5:09 am on December 13th, 2013 3

    How does the budget deal affect civilians? Paul Krugman discusses it in his column at the New York Times.

  • Liz
    6:58 am on December 13th, 2013 4

    Krugman is conflating different things. Education was impacted primarily by the devaluation of property. Property taxes are generally based on property values, and education is funded from property tax, so a large drop in value is going to have a large impact on the amount of state tax money available.

  • Bob
    8:27 am on December 13th, 2013 5

    the value of my house went down, BUT, my taxes on it went up. I pay roughly 3900 a year in real estate taxes on our home. Of that, almost 3000 is for the school district. They just got another 13-1/2 percent “override” that barely passed in the election. They already are paying on 3 bonds. When is enough, enough??

  • Glans
    8:28 am on December 13th, 2013 6

    Liz, total government spending fell. That ain’t conflation, it’s an actual fact.

  • Liz
    8:54 am on December 13th, 2013 7

    Glans, state and local government have different streams of revenue than the federal government.

  • Glans
    9:08 am on December 13th, 2013 8

    Liz, the total fell! Government is not growing but shrinking.

  • ChickenHead
    9:51 am on December 13th, 2013 9

    Here are the graphs you are looking for.

    Total Government Spending (Federal/State/Local)

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/01/23/opinion/012313krugman1/012313krugman1-blog480.png

    Total Federal Government Spending

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/01/23/opinion/012313krugman2/012313krugman2-blog480.png

  • Larry Anderson
    11:42 am on December 13th, 2013 10

    Hmm, maybe fair if it is tied to every government workers salary and retirement, starting with every politician, retro active! Hold every office holder to the same exact standard, including pay hikds, SS Increase, retirement age and benefits, that would be understandable, almost, then let every politician spend a draft period of at least 2 years in military before able to hold any office or make any decisions for our military.

  • Glans
    12:16 pm on December 13th, 2013 11

    The budget deal may not be good for military retirees, but it’s OK for the Pentagon. It doesn’t bring defense spending back down to the pre-9/11 level. Kevin Drum has a cool chart at Mother Jones.

  • Liz
    12:30 pm on December 13th, 2013 12

    You believe (per Krugman) that things like unemployment are getting the shaft and people should be paid more not to work. But the military is getting too much money and needs to go down to a pre-911 level?

  • Liz
    12:54 pm on December 13th, 2013 13

    BTW, here is a link to an inflation calculator:
    http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi

    $1400 in 2001 is equal to $1814 in 2012, which would indicate (from the stats this writer cited) 1600 per person is actually a significant decrease when adjusted for inflation.

  • Liz
    1:04 pm on December 13th, 2013 14

    Adding further…
    “Nearly 20 years after 9/11″ Mr Drum states.
    12 years is nearly 20. This guy is a retard why in the hell have you linked to this?

  • Liz
    1:09 pm on December 13th, 2013 15

    Misread…at the “end of this decade” projected. Not adjusted for inflation. Reading this is worse for braincells than watching Honey Boo Boo.

  • Liz
    1:53 pm on December 13th, 2013 16

    One. More. Post.
    Per the peace dividend. Prior to WWII, The U.S. Army was 16th in the world, behind Yugoslavia. I don’t need to look up any charts to be quite certain that the Army post WWII didn’t go back to 16th in the world.

  • Denny
    5:46 pm on December 13th, 2013 17

    Maybe shouldn’t have burnt $4 trillion on Iraqis and Afghans then?

  • Larry Anderson
    6:22 pm on December 13th, 2013 18

    No one mentions here the fact of the millions, and a total lie to say 10/11 or 12, do some math, some checking, more like 50 million! And not including those already legalized by Reagan and Clinton,Bush, etc. What percentage now is CA, what of all the boarder states, what of every state, Idaho has at least now about 1/4, Utah inundated especially SLC, AZ, NM, CO, NV (which bragged and demanded payment for Harry’s re election) etc. you name your state, check the numbers! And how many trillions there, how much on education, on mandated manuals, phamplets, welfare, rules and regulations, crime, benefits, medical, dental, etc. Much better treatment then the men and women who honorably served and no one talking of cutting their benefits of forgers, liars, thieves, cheats and just plain illegal, not only the Latino but the second largest group, Chinese!

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:42 pm on December 13th, 2013 19

    “Hmm, maybe fair if it is tied to every government workers salary and retirement, starting with every politician, retro active! Hold every office holder to the same exact standard, including pay hikds, SS Increase, retirement age and benefits, that would be understandable, almost, then let every politician spend a draft period of at least 2 years in military before able to hold any office or make any decisions for our military.”

    YES! Service guarantees citizenship! I like it. However the rest of it is codswollop. These folks aren’t there for the pay and benefits. Other than a meaningless gesture, your suggestion makes no impact on our millionaire and billionaire ruling class.

  • Denny
    8:01 pm on December 13th, 2013 20

    #18 unfortunately both Republicans and Democrats cater to the Latino vote. Bush was very lenient toward illegals. And, the 2016 Republican ticket will likely have a Latino on it, such as Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, or George P. Bush.

  • Leon LaPorte
    8:24 pm on December 13th, 2013 21

    20. I’m salivating at the thought of Ted Cruz running for anything. He’ll be a true gift to late night comedians and Jon Stewart. Not to mention his very real birth certificate issues. I can’t wait to see him held to the same standards – though he’s not half black. The schadenfreude with be full to the brim.

    Only in America can a Cuban from Canada move to Texas and become a US senator and a white supremacist.

  • tom langley
    2:55 am on December 14th, 2013 22

    Leon LaPorte #21, what did Senator Ted Cruz say that makes you think that he is a white supremacist? He is a constitutional conservative. Would a white supremacist go to Nelson Mandela’s funeral? I don’t think so.

  • ChickenHead
    3:22 am on December 14th, 2013 23

    “and a white supremacist”

    Hmmm… I don’t know much about him… but a quick check of the internet seems to show that he simply ignores racial politics and the race baiters don’t like it.

    I saw a lot of manufactured hype but no substance in the attacks and accusations against him.

    Further, I would characterize the dismissive yet hyperbolic attacks as showing the Left has a bit of fear of Cruz…

    …as a right-wing brown person who acts like a white person is very dangerous to the race-baiting left… as they cannot fall back on accusations of racism whenever there is disagreement over culture or politics…

    …and his support among Tea Party whites erodes the useful narrative that they are all white supremest racists more interested in skin color than values.

    I think I will pay a bit more attention to Ted Cruz and see what he is up to.

    Leon, kindly do the same and let’s compare notes in the near future.

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    4:09 am on December 14th, 2013 24

    OK I was trolling a bit with the white supremacist tag (it was a play on a joke about Cruz that I read somewhere. Obviously, my wit backfired and everyone focused like a laser on the least important two words in my post. :roll:

    I have some serious problems with him. For some reason he seems very Joe McCarthy-esque.
    He also thinks Medicare is unconstitutional.
    He supports religious freedom – but to him that means freedom of only one religion.
    He’s a constitutional conservative but would gladly ignore the constitution if he were able to get away with forcing his religion on others. Don’t you doubt that for a moment.
    He’s a Canadian.

    “Would a white supremacist go to Nelson Mandela’s funeral?”

    Sure as hell! Especially if they were looking for minority votes and wanted to show people they weren’t a white supremacist. :lol:

  • ChickenHead
    4:54 am on December 14th, 2013 25

    Leon, I looked into him a bit.

    why… Why… WHY can’t there be someone worth a shyt who runs for office in America?

    He doesn’t seem to be “racist”… but he has WAY too much Jesus guiding his decision-making.

    America needs politicians who spend public funds wisely in ways that benefit America in the long-term, support free enterprise instead of repressing it in favor of crony capitalism, remove burdensome regulations designed to destroy small business in favor of big business, understand what programs should be sociialized and what should be privatized, use the military sparingly but unmercifully, stop worrying that gay people are somehow going to ruin marriage for straight people, recognize that abortion is crappy but far better than a swarm of unwanted children, support freedom of religion but keep it out of politics, see that getting Americans off welfare and into unskilled jobs is better than keeping them on welfare and importing foreigners, grasp that dealing with crime requires solving fundamental social problems as well as punishment, recognize that letting people smoke pot solves many more problems than it creates, and on and on and on.

    Instead, we get who we have… stirring up unimportant issues while regulating things that need no regulation and pushing “rights” without their corresponding responsibilities…

    …who are eroding the strengths of an America that once was.

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    6:53 am on December 14th, 2013 26

    25. And there you have it. After your previous post I was concerned you were losing it. :lol:

  • Larry Anderson
    4:17 pm on December 14th, 2013 27

    ChickenHead
    Truly the prevailing and failing phylosophy that has swept over this nation, plummeted the US to a degrading society, filled with self, with ignorance and lack of family values, principles and perservation of America as it was. There is plenty wrong with what you present! GOD has always been the cornerstone of this nation, family and values are what made this nation special, based upon indivuduals faith and freedom. When you equate murder of innocent to unwanted children is also indicates personal value and character, again what damns every society, diminish values of life, of liberty that goes along with responsiblity and you have a failing, collapsing nation. One Nation Under God! not under Marxist athiesms and disquised self excuses for behavior and attitudes which require no self discipline or values. The family is the hope and future of any nation, with values, principles and morals to live by and die for. Excuse for drugs that depleat value and standards that alter and replace all above is surely the fast track we are on to self destruction. As to Cruz, I have not heard about any specific religion, not even as much as what Obama claimed to be, nor near as much from anyone as Kennedy, if you recall, that election was all about religion! The future of this nation and world is about God, Faith, Resonsibilty and that is why we will fail, will fall into abiss and are facing real war as never before. America has no courage, no strength or principles left to stand by, the generations following those of our fathers have degenerated to a point of immoraltiy and irresponsiblity that begs self destruction. I learned to excuse those I served with who were thrown into situations ill prepared and unequipped to handle, but worse, those who dodged the draft, spit upon the flag and soldier, those who mocked all of American values and history and spit upon faith and God, to them, this collapsing world has much to thank, and your comments fit very much into that catagory. Principles and morals with resonsiblity carry life to purpose and meaning, and you? There is no hope for this nation or world based upon such idealogs as yours

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    5:02 pm on December 14th, 2013 28

    27. Oh crap. And I already used “codswallop” once in this thread…

    One of the biggest challenges to liberty is the War on Citizens and Freedom, better known as the War on Drugs in cahoots with the religionists and for profit prison corporations.

    There are some countries that truly are “under god.” I doubt you would enjoy living in any of them. Two of them are Saudi Arabia and Iran. Those examples should be a warning to anyone desiring a theocracy or even a state with religion intertwined in the government.

    There was a time in Europe when religion had much more power and was the de facto government. We now call that time the Dark Ages. You can look it up on your own.

    I would make a wager that many of these folks who want so badly to have a nation “under god,” would not enjoy living under strictly enforced biblical law. We have seen this again and again – when a religion gains too much power persecution and killing begins.

    Our country was founded by people attempting to escape religious persecution. You’d think we would know better.

    As far as many of the problems you list, it is because we allow our politicians to be bought and sold not because of any involvement (or lack thereof) by a dead Jew. I’ll refrain from addressing the so called “morals” and “ethics” contained in the bible. If that’s all you have, that is unfortunate.

  • dechert@bellsouth.net
    7:48 pm on December 14th, 2013 29

    This string of comments evokes some weird reactions. Not the least will be my own proposal later on, which some of you will view as REALLY weird!

    Maybe I can change the comment trend–a little bit? You will all get on my ass then.

    The cuts, as several of you state,opine, or assume, are at the expense of the military muscle–personnel, usually cited as the most expensive item in defense spending.

    I suppose that might be true in the macro long-term “spin.” But in micro daily operations terms, not true. Takes a lot of beans,BAQ,health care, etc. to even come close to an F35$, let alone the whole fleet.

    So let’s make a REAL long-term cut/saving–I would like to say eliminate DOD, but lets be realistic! So here it is, close and phase out ALL the service academies, lock,stock, barrel, and property. WE ALREADY HAVE CONTRACTED OUT THE TRAINING AND SUPPLY OF OFFICERS: IT IS CALLED ROTC; already have an entire Army command bureaucracy up and running ROTC; and the ROTC can be–and is–supplemented by OCS and direct commissions when necessary.

    Let’s make some real cuts. Various administrations, principally Clinton and Obama,have already bastardized the three main academies into mainly social program indoctrination institutions.
    You want to save money? GET IT ON!
    LTD

    Besides all else, we are already cutting the officer to NCO and Enlisted ratio –so bite the reality bullets and get out of the arts and sciences college business.

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    8:28 pm on December 14th, 2013 30

    29. You kind of had me until this nugget fell out; “Clinton and Obama,have already bastardized the three main academies into mainly social program indoctrination institutions.”

    First, I would comment that these institutions have been all about indoctrination of one type or another since their inception.

    Second, holy hell Clinton and Obama are the two worst, idiotic but powerful and brilliant constitution burning dictators the US has ever known! What about the Bushes and Reagan? Carter, Ford and Nixon? LBJ? Kennedy? Surely Eisenhower?

    We in this country give our presidents way too much credit/blame for everything from taxes to the color of the sky. You know there are 535 people who actually control spending, taxation, laws, just about everything really. From my perspective it really hasn’t changed much regardless of the party majority in the congress or the white house. They all obey the same corporate masters.

    So yes, just like many parts of our society (think Walmart and McDonalds), the DoD is going to use the little guy because the little guy has the least power and even the power he has he is too ignorant/misinformed/apathetic to use. So it shall remain until we literally clean house.

  • ChickenHead
    9:04 pm on December 14th, 2013 31

    Larry Anderson, I might suggest that a large population of Americans exist who have ethics, morals, and strong family values yet are NOT Christian.

    You might also consider that the Founding Fathers’ interpretation of God being a “cornerstone” of America might not might match what is currently being marketed to the public by the religious right. There is a great deal of documentation to back this up.

    This can be argued out if you insist… but keep in mind I have both the facts and the will to present them.

  • Larry Anderson
    9:53 pm on December 14th, 2013 32

    Truth is fact, fact is, it is not religion, not the Christian Religion that has doen any evil to any man. Christianity for any who understand the least, teaches personal responsibilty and freedom. This nation was absolutely established by Religion, for religion but for individual choise, not state. From Jamestown to the Mayflower, To MA Bay Colonies, Hugonots, Presbyterians froM Scotland/Irelna, of the Quakers, the Penn Dutch, and yes, the Church of England. Apparently those not understanding or allowing truth as such bend for thier own excuse and failures in life to live by principles guided by Christianity. There is no Christian principle that destroys man, but uplifts, guides and provides hope, purpose, freedom and standards to live peacefully with others. Your ignorance of history is repleat that it is abuse and self agregation that fits your inablity and desire to live higher law of personal respect and responsiblity. Sorry but it the Chirstians that have saved this world many times over. It has been the Christian Spirit that forgave nations and rebuilt empires to a just and equal society today. It is the premise of Christianity that rises above hate and miseries. It is the inablity of man to follow principles that is the problem, and what is evil is promoted as good or your right rather it is for good of yourself or the nation. This nation has fallen as it is, from sentiments taking over as you present, with lack of personal value and responsiblity, with loss of family morals, ties and history to be replaced by sentiment that there is no right and wrong, no good or bad until you run into society that must then be controlled by power. That is where you are today, in a world of self destruction and power struggles. NOT UNDER GOD OR UNDER CHRISITANITY but under self. If your premise were so true, then life and freedoms would be better, not worse, as this nation surely has turned it’s faith from God to your drugs, alcohol, sex and freedoms that are meant to be controlled, for family and future. You think not of the future of family or nation, only your course of self destruction. It is not God who will punish anyone, it is ourselves, this world will self destruct because there is no light or guide to follow.

  • Ole Tanker
    9:54 pm on December 14th, 2013 33

    It is not all doom and gloom! The teat still has a lot of milk. Let’s start by cutting LQA payments!!!

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    10:02 pm on December 14th, 2013 34

    33. They already have! Praise GOD!

  • ChickenHead
    10:27 pm on December 14th, 2013 35

    Larry Anderson,

    The opposite of an extreme liberal state, replacing morality and ethical values with social experimentation lacking in respect and responsibility, is an extreme conservative theocracy enforcing behavioral restrictions which place superstitious rituals over fundamental morality and ethical values.

    One seductively offers freedom with no responsibility and the other harshly demands responsibility with no freedom.

    They are both equally destructive to the betterment of mankind.

  • Larry Anderson
    11:06 pm on December 14th, 2013 36

    You seem to misunderstand real Christianity. Pesonal responsiblity is what it is all about. Basics, to forgive, love one another, serve and have compassion. To be subject to laws but to have a higher law always in mind. That all are here temporarily, no one can coubt that! And the real issues of character are contained in the spirit of man, that continues, so the reason of laws or rules of Christianity is to guide for a much longer, more meaningful existance after mortality. The “free thinkers” today who refute God and eternity completely ignore, twist and mock reality. If there is no judgement or eternal presence, no reason to be or do better then what suits you for the time, then there is no right or wrong except as demanded by a secular judge and jury. It has never been Christianity that has been a problem but those bent on power of any kind who misuse, abuse and subject, if not for one exuse they would have another. Always has been and will be. The rule of today, not of Christianity but of might and power of those holding the big stick. Christianity has not been an experimental social phenomia for centuries. IT was swept up out of torture, murder, hiding and back room exposure for centuries. The WORD has kept the meaning, the hope and the forthcoming of greater light to this day. BUT the self proclaimed leaders, rulers, judges of today wish to destroy any power or hope beyond themselves. You are caught up in a struggle to destroy Christianity as designed by the real culprets who in that vacume are able to grab, exercise and control total law over all. IT is the hope, the purpose and the redemtion of Christianity that has before and will again, pose a hope beyond the destruction of today. We are all caught up in presentation of what we are only suppose to know. There are higher plans working as we ignore and remain in ignorance as powers sweep into position to take up all freedoms.
    Ecconomies are simple, there is no such thing as balancing a budget, no such thing as recovery without reality of financing the nation. Natural resources from harvest to production, processing, manufacturing. To sell brings in money, to buy looses it. Simply, when the income is greater then outgoing, our coffers fill, visa versa. We borrow, we pay useless interest, we subject our future to controls beyond todays reasons. IF AMERICA is ever to regain freedom and comfort or security, we must create, harvest and develop those resources ourselves. Not so allow any other power to take those resources or turn them about upon ourselves. As in WWII, when the world was engulfed in war, it was the might of that power that the US was able to build, arm and fight back. TODAY, we have no such power to do so. We have no manufacturing, no processing, we have given out our technology, our factories texties and metal works, our every machine and factories to an enemy who now controls and owns what we ourselves need for self defense not only of the world, but ourselves. If people don’t see that, or care, there is no hope to avoid the worst crises and disaster the world has ever witnessed.

  • ChickenHead
    11:16 pm on December 14th, 2013 37

    Larry Anderson,

    Many people have all of those good traits naturally without the threat of Christianity being necessary.

  • JoeC
    1:10 am on December 15th, 2013 38

    I can’t follow the religious arguments here because I won’t try to read a half page of un-paragraphed sentences. If there is something in there that explains that thing called “real Christianity”, I’m sorry, I missed it.

    My complaint has always been about institutional religion. The people who profit from other people’s misery. It’s interesting to watch their discomfort with the guy about to get the Time magazine Man of the Year because he is rocking their boat by trying to more emulate the life and practices of the man for whom their religions were founded.

    Back to the original topic of this thread. The Air Force Chief of Staff recent said,

    Any fiscal relief the Air Force gets from a budget deal worked out in recent days on Capitol Hill will be plowed back into operations and readiness, while measures to begin reducing force size are expected to remain in place, the Air Force’s top officials said Friday.

    That means they will go ahead with plans to “reduce” 25,000 service-members and 600 civilians. So, ‘embrace the suck.’

  • JoeC
    1:12 am on December 15th, 2013 39

    #38

    I forgot to add this Link to that quote.

  • Louis Dechert
    5:26 pm on December 15th, 2013 40

    Much of the press coverage on the ill-effects of sequestration and budget cuts mentions the effects on aviation
    elements, Army, Navy, or Air Force. Some of the comments in this string give very exact information on the same.

    Although not exactly comparable, civil aviation has always had similar constraints–except for firing weapons. They have compensated for lack of actual flying by requiring exacting and repeated simulator hours.

    I know that the military services have such flight simulations. So, until they cut both actual hours AND simulator hours, we will not have reached rock bottom.

    On the other hand Army strength is scheduled to reach pre-Korean War size for all practical purposes within two years–all while DC keeps adding operational requirements and cutting budgets.

    Those of us in–or previously serving in–Korea ought to be very much aware and vocal about the effects of such things: TASK FORCE SMITH,TASK FORCE FAITH, PUSAN PERIMETER anyone?

    They say “blood calls to blood” and there is plenty of GI blood all around Korea.
    LTD

  • Ole Tanker
    5:41 pm on December 15th, 2013 41

    #40,
    I share your sentements. Did you know they identified Col. Faith’s remains not so long ago? Sadly, It went with little note in the news.

  • Louis Dechert
    7:08 pm on December 15th, 2013 42

    Ole Tanker,

    Yes, I knew of that repatriation and as a matter of fact handled some of the arrangements at Fort Polk, LA, and SW Louisiana where Don Faith’s sister resides. She had hoped he would be buried there, but I believe it was his immediate survivors who wanted him in Arlington where he ended up. In the Louisiana area the repatriation received large publicity,this past Memorisl Day at Fort Polk, with the sister (I believe, I had left before the event)speaking.One of the members of TF FAITH, CSM(R) Jim Myrick was introduced and spent much time with the survivors at the Memorial Day ceremony. Another survivor of TF FAITH is the father of LTG DAN BOLGER who commanded Polk five years ago. Bolger’s dad was a MSGT in same unit as Myrick, in 7th ID.
    Hang in there, track buddy, and try to stay warm if you are in Korea.

    Lou Dechert

 

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