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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on February 20th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

Was Kim Yuna Cheated Out of A 2014 Olympic Figure Skating Gold Medal?

Kim Yuna the reigning women’s figure skating Olympic champion was beaten by Russian Adelina Sotnikova today at the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics:

As figure skating programs go, it was about as flawless as it could be.

South Korean figure skater Kim Yu-na put on a mesmerizing display of textbook jumps, exquisite steps and graceful spins in the free skating portion of the ladies’ singles competition at the Sochi Winter Olympics on Thursday.

On this night, however, it wasn’t quite enough for the 2010 Olympic champ.

Kim took the silver medal behind Adelina Sotnikova of Russia in one of the marquee events in the Winter Games, after earning 144.19 points in her free skate for a total of 219.11 points.

Sotnikova, a bubbly 17-year-old armed with technical prowess of a seasoned veteran, scored 149.95 points in her free skate for a total of 224.59 points. She gave Russia its first Olympic title in the ladies’ figure skating, and in the process denied Kim a piece of Olympic history.  [Yonhap]

Not everyone thinks that the best skater won the Olympic gold:

They call her the Michael Jordan of figure skating. But on Thursday night in Sochi, South Korea’s Yuna Kim discovered there were no “Jordan rules” in Russia as “Queen Yuna” stunningly and controversially won silver in her attempt to be the third figure skater in history to win back-to-back golds. In fact, the opposite may have applied to her.

Adelina Sotnikova of Russia won the country’s first-ever women’s figure skating gold on home ice with some questionable scoring that has already generated plenty of buzz and controversy for all the wrong reasons. Sotnikova was described as the “chosen one” in an Olympics marred by rumors of potential fixes being in for the Russians in a sport notorious for shady activity (see: ice dancing at the 2002 Winter Olympics).

Consider this: Sotnikova did not land all of her jumps cleanly, yet scored 149.95 in the free skate. Yuna Kim scored 144.19 and Italy’s Carolina Kostner scored 142.61. In 2010, Yuna Kim shattered the world record at the Winter Olympics in Vancouver in what was hailed by nearly every figure skating analyst as one of the greatest performances in the history of the sport. Yuna’s score then? 150.06. That’s barely above what Sotnikova received with a performance in which she did not even land all of her jumps correctly.

Sotnikova’s total score for the event was 224.59 while Kim received 219.11. Kostner of Italy got 216.73. Kim led by mere tenths over both figure skaters entering the free skate.

Those watching and commentating on the event scratched their heads when Russian Yulia Lipnitskaya, who fell twice and stumbled around on the ice, received higher technical marks than Japan’s Mao Asada, who turned in a world-class and flawless free skate after stumbling to 16th after the short program.

Things got stranger when Sotnikova stumbled and two-footed a landing, yet still received far superior technical marks than Kostner.   [Breitbart]

Adelina Sotnikova of Russia, centre, Yuna Kim of South Korea, left, and Carolina Kostner of Italy stand on the podium during the flower ceremony for the women’s free skate figure skating final at the Iceberg Skating Palace during the 2014 Winter Olympics, Thursday, Feb. 20, 2014, in Sochi, Russia.

You can read more at the link, but here is what Yahoo Sports had to say about the result:

The issue for Kim fans is not so much the order of the finish, although there is that, but the huge difference in the scores — 224.59 to 219.11. Sotnikova blew away the mighty Kim, and thus this is a night that promises to be debated and analyzed around skating for years to come.

“Well, the scores are given by the judges,” Kim said, dodging the question of whether she thought the marks were fair. “So I am not in the right position to comment, and there is nothing that would change with my words.”  (……)

Some will believe that the raucous home crowd swayed the judges to over-score Sotnikova, that they wanted to hand Russia its first ladies’ individual champion ever while the Games are here, or both.

The arguing will not subside soon.  [Yahoo Sports]

I am no expert in figure skating so I cannot say whether Kim Yuna was cheated or not, however considering it is the Olympics cheating is always a possibility though I think Yahoo Sports’ argument that the home crowd swayed the judges may have some merit.  So far I really have not seen any reaction to this yet in the South Korean news media, but it will be interesting to see if the belief Kim Yuna was cheated will become more prevalent or not in the coming days?

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UPDATE #1:  Here is what US skater Ashley Wagner had to say about the figure skating judging at the Sochi Olympics:

Ashley Wagner launched a withering attack on figure skating’s hierarchy and the Winter Olympics judges on Thursday night after being pushed down to seventh in the ladies’ individual competition.

The 22-year-old American fought back tears as she revealed her frustration and anger with the judging at the Iceberg Skating Palace and suggested that the two Russian skaters, gold medalist Adelina Sotnikova and fifth-place finisher Julia Lipnitskaia, had been given unfairly inflated scores.

“I feel gypped,” said Wagner, who skated two programs without any falls and punched the air with delight at the end of her free skate.

However, she ended up behind Lipnitskaia, who fell in each of her programs; Mao Asada, who fell heavily during a disastrous short program; and fourth-place Gracie Gold, the fellow American who tumbled to the ice on Thursday.

Wagner appeared to take particular exception to Lipnitskaia’s scores and claimed the judging controversy would damage figure skating’s popularity.

“People don’t want to watch a sport where you see people fall down and somehow score above someone who goes clean,” she said. “It is confusing and we need to make it clear for you.  [Yahoo Sports]

You can read more at the link, but I think it is a good point that the judges scores should not be anonymous.  Does anyone know why the scores are kept secret?

I do think that Ashley Wagner comes across as a sore loser the way she presented her criticism after the competition.  Especially when Wagner is lucky to even be on the US figure skating team when she was beaten out at the US National Championships by Mirai Nagasu who was left off the team despite finishing fourth in the 2010 Winter Olympics.  It is probably best to wait a while and let your emotions cool down before addressing the media over such a controversial topic.

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UPDATE #2: You can read much more about the controversy and the evidence that the media is digging up that Kim Yuna was robbed of an Olympic Gold Medal at the below link:

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  • Tom
    6:46 pm on February 20th, 2014 1

    We got gypped. Yet once again. So what else is new?
    The plus side of things though is that the next winter Olympics is in Korea. We’ll just make sure Russia doesn’t win a medal in an event where a Korean is also competing. ;-)

  • tbonetylr
    6:53 pm on February 20th, 2014 2

    “Why secret anonimity”?

    The pressure judges receive(from home) to give high marks for own home country skater.

  • tbonetylr
    7:07 pm on February 20th, 2014 3

    Yu-na’s skate was not “mesmerizing,” rather boring actually. Sotnikova got what she deserved. She looked better with her near flawess twists, turns, and flips. However, Russian skaters marks were a bit high.

  • Smokes
    7:41 pm on February 20th, 2014 4

    Was there bias? Probably.
    Is this uncommon? Not in the least.

    As long as judged events are in the games this type of controversy will persist. Either remove the events or modify them in a way where they aren’t judged and it’s a measure of what the participants can or can’t do.

  • Smokes
    7:43 pm on February 20th, 2014 5

    Forgot to add jokey comments in my last post….

    So when are the Anti-Russia demostrations scheduled? I’m awaiting the release of the next musical hit “F**king Russia”.

  • Quavando
    7:46 pm on February 20th, 2014 6

    :| Kim Yuna deserved to be first
    She was cheated.

  • Smokes
    7:50 pm on February 20th, 2014 7

    “Does anyone know why the scores are kept secret?”

    Is that a recent change? I could’ve sworn the accidental few times I’ve found myself watching the Olymipcs that they would show the scoring lineup at the bottom of the screen each with the flag of each judging nation just above the score.

  • Surabol
    8:02 pm on February 20th, 2014 8

    “Our country is too weak”

    “Russia assiru” (get it?)

    Those are popular netizen reaction.

    Yuna loses gold, US women’s hockey chokes. Sad day.

  • BIJ
    8:07 pm on February 20th, 2014 9

    See: Roy Jones Jr. in the gold medal round of the 1988 Olympics.

  • Clawed the fraud
    8:18 pm on February 20th, 2014 10

    Should Yuna Kim have won the gold medal? Yes
    BUT, South Korea has cried and whined and pouted in the past about EVERYTHING, so anything they say now sounds like more of the same crying and whining and pouting.

  • Clawed the fraud
    8:20 pm on February 20th, 2014 11

    5- The South Koreans will never protest against China nor Russia. We all know why, too.

  • Smokes
    8:24 pm on February 20th, 2014 12

    Re: 1988 Boxing Scandal Summer Olympics in Seoul – An official IOC investigation ending in 1997 found that three of the judges had been wined and dined by South Korean officials.

    See? Judged events are too prone to corruption. Modify boxing so that it’s a fight to unconsciousness or death. ;)

  • JoeC
    8:28 pm on February 20th, 2014 13

    There shouldn’t be judging for these totally subjective [sports]. They should be decided by online voting. Korea will be guaranteed all of those gold medals then.

  • johnnyboy
    8:37 pm on February 20th, 2014 14

    #13

    “They should be decided by online voting. Korea will be guaranteed all of those gold medals then.”

    As long as Starcraft gets an add-on feature that allows in-game voting.

    I wonder how many times I can recycle the same Starcraft joke.

  • Flyingsword
    10:05 pm on February 20th, 2014 15

    You would have needed the Russian fall, crash into the boards and burst into flame for her to lose.

    No way they weren’t going to have the Russian skater win at the Olympic games in Russia.

    The fix was in and you should have seen it coming a mile away….

  • King Baeksu
    10:21 pm on February 20th, 2014 16

    When asked to comment on the controversial decision, Roy Jones, Jr. told reporters, “I know exactly how she must feel right now, but I will say this: Yuna Kim is one fine-lookin’ lady. If someone can hook me up, I’m willing to call it a wash.”

  • Tom
    10:40 pm on February 20th, 2014 17

    So the American judges gave the Russians the gold medal. hmmm….

    What about 2012, Korean fencer robbed of gold after a 1 second time remaining turns into 15 seconds by American judges who don’t know what a one second is? What about 2004 when American judges couldn’t do the basic elementary grade 2 math to add up all the points, which cost a Korean gymnast a gold medal? What about 2002 when American Anton Ohno did the Hollywood action to cost Korea a gold medal?

    Summary: It’s all American fault.

    Just wait for 2018 Winter, we’ll make this right. It’s revenge time.

  • Darth Babaganoosh
    10:41 pm on February 20th, 2014 18

    Figure skating judging has always been corrupt no matter who is currently “getting screwed”. Many are saying the same about the Canadian pair.

  • Jedidiah
    10:52 pm on February 20th, 2014 19

    I give props to how high the difficulty the spins the Russian skater performed, however if the execution of the spins was faulty, then it can be justly said that there should have been a deduction of points.

  • King Baeksu
    10:52 pm on February 20th, 2014 20

    Only an ethnocentrist would think that everyone else in the world is as ethnocentric they are.

  • tbonetylr
    10:59 pm on February 20th, 2014 21

    When is my Korean employer going to stop cheating me and pay severance money owed to me for past years? Cheater!

  • Smokes
    11:00 pm on February 20th, 2014 22

    Tom mouth-pooped: “Just wait for 2018 Winter, we’ll make this right. It’s revenge time.”

    You are under the delusion the 2018 games will be in Canada. You know Canada, your home country by default when you hurriedly boarded a plane there with urine soaked pants minutes before your 18th birthday.

  • Tom
    11:10 pm on February 20th, 2014 23

    My country is China. Remember?
    :lol:

  • Smokes
    11:13 pm on February 20th, 2014 24

    That’s Leon who says that. I know all us white guys look alike to you.

  • King Baeksu
    11:22 pm on February 20th, 2014 25

    你是汉族吗?

  • skate lover
    11:31 pm on February 20th, 2014 26

    Yuna got screwed

  • Korean
    11:46 pm on February 20th, 2014 27

    This is bullshit.. For all u hater out there Kim Yuna’s performance was remarkable and flawless.. No shit why Koreans and smarter than dumb ass soviets that are bullshit, there fukin stupid and unfair im studying law and I swear the second i get my office imma sue the shit of dumb ass Russians and get all the judges off their fukin spots

  • Korean
    11:49 pm on February 20th, 2014 28

    Lol I’m just kidding she deserved silver and it was fair.. Lol im Russian

  • Smokes
    11:52 pm on February 20th, 2014 29

    For everyone complaining about this you’d better be women because if you a bunch of guys complaining about figure skating:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NKfCnEOX74

  • Korean
    12:03 am on February 21st, 2014 30

    Btw the 2018 Winter Olympics is going to be at Korea

  • Hee Tak
    12:16 am on February 21st, 2014 31

    Why does everyone assume corruption without evidence? Yes it was a bit controversial but the Russian did have a much harder program. Yuna looked better to the common eye but to experts, she played it too safe. She was a victim of the scoring system. The winner goes to the more technical skater, not the one who looks the best.

    I think Koreans assume scandal because we have been a part of so many. Have you forgotten the 1988 boxing scandal when Park Si Hun defeated Roy Jones Jr when even the judges admitted they had been bribed by Korean officials? Or what about the 2002 World Cup controversy when we beat both Italy and Spain unfairly? It bothers me how we forget these instances and then bash on Apollo Ohno or Swimming judges for mistakenly penalizing Park Tae Won.

  • sue
    12:33 am on February 21st, 2014 32

    :evil: do u agree with the result that is absolutely unfair?
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=650911831643976&set=vb.414034908665004&type=2&theater

    plus,i want to say to isu
    As you can probably tell, the world was keeping an eye on Yuna Kim who has set a World Record for the history of Women’s Figure Skating, to defend her gold medalist title this Sochi Olympic 2014. The free skating event took place this morning and nobody denies the fact the Sotnikova did present to her potential. She did an amazing job and showed amazing performance. The one mistake she made was the stumbling after one of her jumps which was – although small – quite visible even to the public who do not know professional knowledge of figure skating. Nevertheless, she achieved her best score of 149.95 which was 0.11 away from Yu-na Kim’s world record of 150.06 at the Vancouver Olympics. This comparison illustrates the home advantage already although I do admit that rules have changed since then but we are talking of quality of programme here.

    Next up was Yuna Kim, she skated and her performance can be shown through what the CBC commenters said “this woman has no equal”. She did show tiny unstable landing in one of her jumps, but relative to the stumble shown by Sotnikova, it was not as visible and she carried on with superb acting performance. “If you were to write a textbook, that would be how to do it”, “Nobody compares to the flow she takes as she jumps and on the landings, nobody” (CBC)

    Even the night before in the short programme, an evaluation sheet from the judges were made public which showed 0 in one of Yuna’s jumps – in the short program where she made no mistakes at all which already shocked the Korean people. As well as the fact that they put 4 Russian people as judges out of the 14, makes all the sense. But the score in the free program has added on to the unfairness of what’s supposed to be the fairest of all competitions – the Olympics. The corruption needs to be made visible and needs to be corrected.

    The above quotes are chosen because they are stated by well-known figures, however, the rest of the public is demanding justice. But of course, we, as just citizens, know that our voice is weak and we may not have a chance to change anything. But this is crucial. And this petition may help towards bringing fairness back into the Olympics that showed so much corruption ironically. Yuna does not care about the medal since Gold was not in her utmost desires but it is the unfairness being observed by EVERYONE in the world except Russia. They need to acknowledge that yes, Sotnikova wrote the history in Russia but HISTORY IS FULL OF BIAS THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. This is NOT for Yuna Kim, this is for the FAIR SPORTSMANSHIP THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CENTRAL TO THE WORLD EVENT OF THE OLYMPICS.

  • sue
    12:34 am on February 21st, 2014 33

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  • sue
    12:38 am on February 21st, 2014 34

    i dont know how to upload it help

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  • amazing
    12:47 am on February 21st, 2014 35

    comparison between 2010 gold medalist and 2014 gold medalist

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SjsB9fFX6g
    so funny kk

  • shooting star
    1:01 am on February 21st, 2014 36

    it was Yu-na’s last retirement stage but partisan judges had ruined her final stage
    bullshit.
    anyone who have eyes could see whose performing was clean, and high level performing.
    franlkly sorry to sotnicova but i thought sotnicova’s stretching her legs looked like a monkey

  • John in LA
    1:03 am on February 21st, 2014 37

    Found a comment online which lists some interesting numbers from the scoring sheet.

    The Chosun Ilbo newspaper has obtained and printed the score-sheet for the Short Program of both Sotnikova and Kim . 2 Judges saw it this way as far as the Program Components;

    Judge 1;

    Skating Skills; Kim 8.25 A.S. 9.5
    Footwork; Kim 8.0 A.S. 9.25
    Execution; Kim 8.0 A.S 9.75
    Composition; Kim 7.75 A.S. 9.5
    Interpretation; Kim 8.5 A.S. 9.75

    Judge 2;

    Skating Skills; Kim 8.5 A.S. 9.25
    Footwork; Kim 7.75 A.S. 9.0
    Performance; Kim 8.5 A.S. 9.75
    Composition; Kim 8.0 A.S. 9.25
    Interpretation; Kim 8.25 A.S. 9.50

    The other 7 judges saw it this way (averaged);

    Skating Skills; Kim 9.18 A.S. 8.64
    Footwork; Kim 8.75 A.S. 8.36
    Performance; Kim 9.25 A.S. 8.93
    Composition; Kim 9.14 A.S. 8.75
    Interpretation; Kim 9.39 A.S. 8.89

    Of the 9 judges, 2 deserve some attention.
    1. Russian Judge (Wife of the Russian Figure Skating President)
    2. Ukraine Judge (who got suspended 1 year for trying to rig the game in Nagano 98)

    Why were the 2 EVEN allowed a chance to be a judge in the competition?

    I want to see the real scoring cards released from Olympic committee.

  • Smokes
    1:05 am on February 21st, 2014 38

    “it was Yu-na’s last retirement stage”

    So would that mean she’s going out as a loser? Ok, just wanted to clarify that. Yuna Kim… loser… got it, won’t be buying any products with her loser face on it like Maxim White Gold.

  • Bob
    1:08 am on February 21st, 2014 39

    A French magazine accused Russian and American judges of striking a deal which would favor the Russians in the team competition and the Americans in ice dancing. The results sure seem to suggest that such a deal was struck.

  • Bob
    1:15 am on February 21st, 2014 40

    Katarina Witt (the second and only living back-to-back women’s Olympic gold medalist in figure skating) isn’t impressed by the judging, and she isn’t shy to let it be known.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT07-Jc00jQ

  • Bob
    1:20 am on February 21st, 2014 41

    #18,

    They aren’t just saying it. Two judges were suspended. Nothing was done about the medals, so that made things pretty clear for Russia: even if they get caught cheating, they still keep the medals. In other words, it was bound to happen again.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Olympic_Winter_Games_figure_skating_scandal

  • Smokes
    1:44 am on February 21st, 2014 42

    Bob@ #40 way to link to a German video subtitled in Korean. I got about as much out of it than when I went to see the Passion of Christ in a Korean theater. :x

    Who exactly was your intended audience for that video? :???:

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    2:35 am on February 21st, 2014 43

    When is the Right Honorable New York State Senator (District 11) Tony “East Sea” Avella going to throw his weight behind this issue?

  • sue
    2:50 am on February 21st, 2014 44

    to.Smokes
    becuase i said “it was Yu-na’s last retirement stage”
    it doesn’t mean ” Yuna Kim… loser”
    what i was talking about is owing to the suspicious judgement, she had to feel uncomfortable.
    it is true that ” an evaluation sheet from the judges were made public which showed 0 in one of Yuna’s jumps – in the short program where she made no mistakes at all” and also points were added for sotnicova who falled and the points were less added or no added for yu-na who played clean show on the stage

    you cant just slander someone who tell the truth. even russian will laugh at u because of ur funny comment

  • Smokes
    2:55 am on February 21st, 2014 45

    Sue if you’re going to hang out on a native english site overflowing with native english humor it’s best you listen rather than talk.

    You don’t see me on Korean sites because of the very same reason.

    “even russian will laugh at u because of ur funny comment”
    That’s the point. I’m actually drinking White Gold as I type this. It’s not slander it’s called sarcasm.

  • Smokes
    2:57 am on February 21st, 2014 46

    Leon Laporte:
    Update! Tony “East Sea” Avella to Make Statement Regarding Sochi Medal Rape!
    http://oi62.tinypic.com/2j0gttx.jpg

  • Bob
    3:38 am on February 21st, 2014 47

    #42,

    You should be able to understand some of the subtitle, don’t you think?

    I listened to what she said and read the subtitles (my German’s pretty rusty, haven’t spoken it in 15 years).

    The gist of what she’s saying is that it’s screwed up.

  • Smokes
    3:46 am on February 21st, 2014 48

    Nah man I’m a faker when it comes to the 한 글 말. Once I realized I wasn’t going to become learned enough I just focused on the words I needed to know. :cry:

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    3:58 am on February 21st, 2014 49

    @46- LOL! :lol:

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    4:36 am on February 21st, 2014 50

    Good one smokes.

    I am assured that the Russian netizens are actually angered by this. How about that?

  • ChickenHead
    5:16 am on February 21st, 2014 51

    “(my German’s pretty rusty, haven’t spoken it in 15 years)… The gist of what she’s saying is that it’s screwed up.”

    In typical Teadrinker/Bob fashion, we got a comment that contained both a boast and information that was either obvious, uninformative, or wrong to support the boast.

  • Tom
    6:10 am on February 21st, 2014 52

    Why doesn’t anybody ask me what the German woman is saying?

    This is your chance to prove that I’m a Chinese agitprop, and a fake Korean.

    :lol:

  • Glans
    6:14 am on February 21st, 2014 53

    I never achieved fluency in German, but Katarina’s accent is similar to my teacher’s so I can pick out a few words. The Korean subtitles don’t help me at all. Maybe someone will upload a copy with English subtitles. If someone even provided a German transcript, I could read it with little trouble.

    “Witt posed nude for Playboy magazine at age 33, and the pictures were published in the December 1998 issue, which was the second ever sold-out issue of the magazine. (The first sold-out issue was the inaugural one including photos of Marylin Monroe.)” says Wikipedia.

  • kimchifrox
    7:24 am on February 21st, 2014 54

    she says (in short):

    i’m really upset
    nobody can explain that to normal spectators anymore
    (some technical & scoring stuff)
    today I was charmed by costner and kim
    i was very sure she (kim) would be chanpion
    now i’m disappointed and angry
    (whatever)
    i really don’t understand it
    (cut)

  • Louie K
    8:35 am on February 21st, 2014 55

    Korea cannot protest because they have done this too, Olympic boxing with Roy Jones Jr..

    Wagner is nuts, she owes her career to biased judges and loopy rules.

    Kim Yuna has an argument, but also too much class to make it. Home crowds have this effect, Yuna is forever the best I have ever seen.

  • Tom
    9:23 am on February 21st, 2014 56

    Since no-one asked, I volunteer. Here’s the translation of the Korean caption (not the spoken German).

    A/ Katrina, you’re mad right?

    B/ No, I’m really mad. What in the world! I have no intention of bad mouthing Sotnikova. Because she really performed well. Usually when you watch the competition in front of TV, you can check with three computers, what kind of performance it was, what kind of elements there were, and what happened, like if all the ten technical requirements were good, how much points for basics were, plus what were the plus and minus points.. There’s something a bit different about figure skating. Today, my skin turned chicken after watching Costner and Yuna Kim’s performances. And I was absolutely sure she was going to be the Olympic champion. I’m really disappointed and right now, I’m a bit upset. Ouch… I kept hitting my knee now I’m in pain. No, really. The gold medal winner has the ability. We shouldn’t criticize her. But… I still can’t understand this..

    A/ uh…take it easy… now going on to the other story about the American athlete…

    Caption: “Today Kim Yuna didn’t lose. The one who lost is the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics”

    :lol:

  • Bob
    10:00 am on February 21st, 2014 57

    #51,

    She says at the end of the video, “Ich verstehe nicht”. Like I said, she thinks it’s screwed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLQoEIPFNb4

  • Bob
    10:05 am on February 21st, 2014 58

    #56,

    Thanks. There were bits and pieces that I didn’t fully understand.

  • Jules
    10:05 am on February 21st, 2014 59

    Yuna Kim had a flawless performance, and I prefer her style of skating.
    That said, Sotnikova’s program was more difficult, technically and, although she two footed one jump, her other jumps and combinations gave her enough points.
    Kim had six triples, three of which were combinations.
    Sotnikova had seven triples, five of which were combos.

  • John in LA
    10:20 am on February 21st, 2014 60

    #59,
    Asada had more jumps than Sotnikova yet scored lower.

    The real problem based on what we know so far is Sotnikova should’ve been farther behind Kim after SHORT. But Sotnikova was behind Kim by a tiny gap. How did that happen?

    Because in the SHORT program scoring card, you see 2 judges who favored Sotnikova heavily over KIM. 7 other judges favored Kim when averaged out.

    The punch line is of the 9 judges, 2 have very questionable relationship/history.

    Anyone should be able to put the 2 and 2 together…

  • ChickenHead
    11:30 am on February 21st, 2014 61

    Western culture and civilization falls before our eyes…

    …and there are 60 comments about a couple of broads flitting around on ice.

    Shame on each and every one of you.

  • Smokes
    12:24 pm on February 21st, 2014 62

    ChickenHead is not alone in that stance it would seem.
    Update! Tony “East Sea” Avella to Make Statement Backing ChickenHead Labs CEO!
    http://oi61.tinypic.com/15p1iyx.jpg

  • Dawn Wolfson
    1:50 pm on February 21st, 2014 63

    I agree that the judges should not be anonymous. But I agree with the results. You can finish higher with a fall if the elements that you did complete were scored higher than another skater’s elements. If you do 7 triples and fall on one, but you completed the rotation prior to the fall, you can still get credit for 7 triples, minus a point for the fall. If another skater does 6 triples, or easier triples, they can still get a lower score, especially if they weren’t executed well.

  • Avatar of Leon LaPorteLeon LaPorte
    5:24 pm on February 21st, 2014 64

    62. I call bullsh*t! When a man like Tony Avella is bought, he STAYS bought.

  • DMZDave
    5:33 pm on February 21st, 2014 65

    Of course Kim Yu Na fell victim to the home team judging. As someone who was in the stands for most of the major events including boxing in the ’88 Olympics, it may have been a case of Karma. In ’88, the Koreans were so hell bent on winning gold medals that they were just terrible hosts and went to great lengths to win at all costs including bribing one of the boxing judges. But that said, Kim Yu Na did not deserve to bear the brunt of Korea’s well earned reputation for being world class sore losers and poor sportsmen. She is and has always been a class act and I feel sorry for her. The judging of the skating event was ’88 Seoul boxing level scandalous and hopefully those involved will be punished and no longer be allowed to judge. For Koreans, who are no doubt heart broken for Kim Yu Na, how about learning from this experience and when the winter Olympics come to Korea, try to make it about promoting your country and your culture and not about using your home field advantage to triumph at all costs?

  • Smokes
    9:18 pm on February 21st, 2014 66

    Update! Tony “East Sea” Avella denies claims of pandering to special interests; blames rouge aide who acted without his knowledge.

    http://oi61.tinypic.com/35kr9r6.jpg

  • Smokes
    9:19 pm on February 21st, 2014 67

    rouge, rogue… you get the point. :lol:

  • King Baeksu
    9:56 pm on February 21st, 2014 68

    Let’s review here: Tom claims that China is “his country” yet he can’t seem to understand the simple question I asked him in Mandarian above; he has an obvious fixation on Korea and comes off as a perpetually defensive Korean ethnonationalist, yet he can’t seem to speak a lick of Korean, either. Moreover, he writes English as a native speaker and supposedly speaks German as well.

    In short, it all sounds very fishy to me. Obviously, he’s either Russian or Ukrainian! :shock:

  • Tom
    10:23 pm on February 21st, 2014 69

    Bingo! Give the unemployed your royal highness the candy! :lol:

  • Smokes
    10:29 pm on February 21st, 2014 70

    Baeksu, Ukraine is game to you!?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw

  • King Baeksu
    11:06 pm on February 21st, 2014 71

    Looks like Smokes gets the gold medal for humor appreciation — and Tom gets a lump of coal for his feeble effort.

  • sue
    1:10 am on February 22nd, 2014 72

    smoke are u being racist?
    It’s so funny just because i am not good at English
    then as the same reason you should travel another country because you can’t speak another country’s language
    well. I came through Googling so you are saying that google is on your own thing kakkak
    well following your advice i will bring some news instead of my poor ability in English

    http://www.welt.de/sport/olympia/article125077733/Sturm-der-Entruestung-nach-Eiskunstlauf-Gold.html

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2014/02/21/figure-skationg-scandal-sochi-olympics-adelina-sotnikova-yuna-kim/5680717/

    Sotnikova and judge agreed with that but you do not. Are you one of the judges? lol
    I think you should be quiet rather than me

  • sue
    1:14 am on February 22nd, 2014 73

    oh sorry it’s my mistake
    correction >> “It’s so funny that I should go away from here just because i am not good at English.
    As the same reason you shouldn’t travel another country because you can’t speak another country’s language well. I came through Googling so you are saying that google is your own thing
    well following your advice, i will bring some news instead of my poor ability in English

  • King Baeksu
    1:16 am on February 22nd, 2014 74

    “smoke are u being racist?”

    Sue, none of us red-blooded American men on this site are racist — we like sexy women of all hues and pigmentation. ;-)

  • King Baeksu
    1:30 am on February 22nd, 2014 75

    Oh dear, it looks like a certain reporter at Yonhap News Agency may be out of a job come Monday morning:

    “Sotnikova, an ebullient teenager carrying the hopes of the entire host nation, appeared to thrive under that pressure. She performed with flair and panache, and her free skate, set to the rousing “Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso,” had plenty of action and pace. She fed off the raucous fans, and even had the presence of mind to wave at them during her program.

    “Kim’s free skate, set to a breathless tango piece “Adios Nonino,” seemed almost flat by comparison. Hers had a more understated elegance about it, but it likely didn’t help that she skated after Sotnikova.”

    Source: http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/culturesports/2014/02/21/2/0702000000AEN20140221005451315F.html

  • Jennifer
    1:32 am on February 22nd, 2014 76

    By the way, adelina sotnikova DID NOT perform a flawless performance, for people that are not facing the facts. What are you talking about, she made a mistake, but she was still WAYYYY overrated. It’s like they decided that the fall didn’t count. Is the Olyimpic a joke? Seriously this is just foul. :x

  • Smokes
    2:45 am on February 22nd, 2014 77

    Poor Sue. :cry:
    Anyone know what “kakkak” is?

    “I think you should be quiet rather than me”
    Aauuhh… son of a. How are you going to come on here telling me to shut up? This ain’t 다움 or 네버, here you are the 외국인 not I so here is where you need to close your ramen hole and figure out what’s being said prior to making baseless claims.

  • Jinx
    4:32 am on February 22nd, 2014 78

    So, it’s OK when an American referee is in the game where team USA is playing? And feats of convinient blindness do not cause an uproar. However, when Russians win – it is a sure sign of cheating, corruption and fixed games? Oh, you lot are such a cry babies.
    Russian girl won, Korean girl lost. Suck it up and stop whining.

  • Smokes
    4:58 am on February 22nd, 2014 79

    “So, it’s OK when an American referee is in the game where team USA is playing?”

    Wow it took that long for someone to put an anti-US spin on this (Tom doesn’t count as he’s contractually obligated to make anti-US posts regardless of the topic) you euro-trolls are slipping.

    Hopefully sometime in the future we can figure out a way to put the USA into orbit like the space station in Elysium and all you other countries can sit here in the filth complaining how it’s the USA’s fault while we enjoy the good life up in space, drinking copious amounts of Tang©.

  • figure skating lover
    6:17 am on February 22nd, 2014 80

    I am not saying that Sotnikova was not to deserve a gold medal. But, I am sure that she was grossly overscored. She had a mistake but she still got 149.xx in her free skating. The world record for free skating is 150.xx and is made by yuna in 2010 olympic. However, the performance is so different. I think you can easily find the video from Youtube. I think the home advantage was too and this is not fair. I heard that one of the judges gave 0 for yuna’s jump in short program and this doesn’t make sense. So, I am claiming that the open investigation should be conducted. And also, one of the figure skating officials said that the scores was slanted towards Sotnikova. Please check.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2014/02/20/winter-olympics-games-sochi-figure-skating-women-yuna-kim-gracie-gold/5643143/

  • Jinx
    6:22 am on February 22nd, 2014 81

    Smokes, I do love your double standards. If it is OK for American referee to judge team USA game, it is OK for Russian jugge to be on the board when team Russia is on the ice. If one is OK, then so is the other. That is how the real life works. Nobody was rising stink about the first, but when second came around – just look at you! Squeals and screams all over the place. Such a poor losers. And there is no love lost between the Russia and former USSR countries, let me tell you that, so chances one of them favouring Russia are slim at best.

    P.S. If on a future date USA for some reason chooses to ship out, I doubt memories of them would last more then a couple olympics. However, for the time bein it appears you have stuck on the same small planet with us, mere mortals, and we (surprise!) do not always share you opinions and views. And sometimes we win. Deal with it. :)

  • Jinx
    6:23 am on February 22nd, 2014 82

    P.P.S. What the hell is Tang©, anyway?? :?:

  • Jinx
    6:30 am on February 22nd, 2014 83

    Figure skating lover, one of the newspapers indeed wrote that Adelina, not Yuna got 0 from one of the judges, but soon they corrected that statement. I believe, this article is what made you think that zero marks were given.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/20/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html

    Please, note the line at the very bottom.

  • Smokes
    6:43 am on February 22nd, 2014 84

    Ooohhh…. are you talking about the Russia v USA match that went into overtime because of the disallowed Russian goal? You do know those are NHL refs right? NHL refs that millions of Americans and Candians complain about every night? You’ll get no argument from me that they screw up calls all the time. I didn’t see the game though so I really haven’t said anything about it. Personaly I like Sergei Bobrovsky and wish he was still on the Flyers.

    I use the term former-soviet because it’s much easier than individually typing out all the countries, I’m aware they’re not all the same.

    You along with all the other Googleites© who’ve wandered in here need to understand that the majority of the people boo-hoo’ing about this figure skating crap aren’t regular users of RokDrop and are for the most part Koreans looking to vent.

    My taste… until figure skating is done naked I could care less about it.

    As for Tang:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_(drink)
    It’s a joke referencing its affiliation with the old space program in the 60s.

  • sue
    6:48 am on February 22nd, 2014 85

    smokes, you are reading only my words not the fact in the news or the words like #37
    kakaka is just a made-up word close to hahaha
    I did not want you to shut up but to be quiet if you are going to say absurd things although I am trying to show you the proof. but you are just evaluating, checking, correcting my words~ structures~etc
    “you need to close your ramen(sorry i dont like ramen at all sorry for that lol but I like Wurst,Schnitzel,Schneeballen more the most thing i love is Sacher Torte~~~~ ah~~~) hole and figure out what’s being said prior to making baseless claims.” you just admited to having written ‘baseless claims’.
    anyway why is this so important to you?
    you need to see the truth and the error of your way.
    I’m sorry for being here ,not the people who are mostly using the sites, and saying bad words that if the players read my word, they might feel affronted. I want to say that Sotnikova is a good player but just not enough to get the score compared to kim and Carolina :3

  • Smokes
    7:04 am on February 22nd, 2014 86

    “you need to see the truth and the error of your way.”
    What error of what way?

    It seems I haven’t spelled this out enough for you:
    I didn’t see the skating.
    I don’t care about the skating.
    It doesn’t matter to me whether the RoK or Russia wins.
    Even if the USA was involved I still wouldn’t care. I’m a guy, I don’t watch figure skating.

    I recognize the modern Olympics for what they are: sports entertainment on an international level. They are not a pure competition of athleticism or an official world ranking of countries by sport. They make money by entertaining you. Wake up. Stop treating your sports entertainers better than your servicemembers.

  • Jinx
    7:10 am on February 22nd, 2014 87

    Smokes, if those NHL refs are so bad, how come they got to judge anything in the Olympics, let alone that particular game? By the way, may be you shoud consider watching it. Regardless of the result, the game was spectacular!
    Of all the post-soviet countries may be Belarus would support Russia. I kinda doubt anyone else would. Frankly, in my opinion, they are more likely to throw in some extra points for anybody NOT Russian.

    Tang. You mean that stuff is actually edible??? :shock:

  • Smokes
    7:17 am on February 22nd, 2014 88

    I’m guessing they have a mix of referees from all the premire leagues, but I don’t know.

    You might prefer the Чемпионат России Суперлига or the Континентальная хоккейная лига more, I prefer the NHL. That and the games are coming on here at 3AM so I’m not likely to see any of them. I’m waiting for the Olympics to end so I can get back to watching the NHL.

    As for Tang I haven’t had that since 1975 and it tasted bad then.

  • Jinx
    8:03 am on February 22nd, 2014 89

    KHL is good, so is NHL. Anything on skates, ice and armed with the sticks. Believe me, we get our share of weird refs over here as well. :) 3AM… yeah, you got to REEEEALLY love hockey to watch it at that time. It is a pity, though. There is a lot worth watching.

    Tang. Well, 1975 was just a little before my time. :grin: I should hope you have not had it since! I mean, who would want to consume something that looks like half of the periodic table squished into a little sachet anyway? :shock:

  • ChickenHead
    9:28 am on February 22nd, 2014 90

    Tang rocks!

    Warm a pan of high fructose corn syrup until it becomes runny and dump in as much Tang powder as it will eat. Mix thoroughly for a few minutes, add a half pound of bacon bits, and mix again. Simmer until thickening and pour into ice cube trays and freeze until hard. Remove cubes and coat fully with mashed Twinkie crumbs. Deep fry in a 50/50 mix of Crisco and salted butter. Serve with ranch dressing.

    It doesn’t get any better than this!

  • Jinx
    10:46 am on February 22nd, 2014 91

    ChickenHead, what is it? A recipe for instant diabetis (with side order of pancreatitis, cholecystitis and several other -itis, take your pick)? :shock:

  • Get out of the sports
    1:13 pm on February 22nd, 2014 92

    I think Yuna was cheated out of Gold. That bribe was supposed to buy Gold, not silver! :evil:

  • Rich Ormsby
    1:31 pm on February 22nd, 2014 93

    While, the viral picture circulating now of what is supposed to be a non-biased judge Alla Shekhovtseva hugging Olympic figure skating gold medal winner Adelina Sotnikova may not be definitive proof of cheating, it certainly does suggest impropriety. Even the suggestion of impropriety by a judge should be taken seriously and that judge should be disciplined in some way. Hopefully she will resign and this is the last we will ever have to hear of her.

    Unfortunately the gold medal won by the young Adelina Sotnikova is tainted. Good luck winning it again in four years in Korea.

    Yuna Kim’s kind and gracious comments about this matter show why she is and always will be the queen of figure skating. What a wonderful human being she is!

  • Parsnickity Fargelgarb
    4:06 pm on February 22nd, 2014 94

    Don’t people know the Olympic host country always get a lot of overinflated medals? It’s one of the reasons I don’t bother watching the Olympics.

  • WP4E
    6:25 pm on February 22nd, 2014 95

    We the, Korean Olympic Committee, formally request investigation by IOC for the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics’ ladies figure skating short and free skating results. For specifically, Gold medal awarded, Adelina Sotnikova’s scores are unusually high compare to the score results of Yuna Kim who was awarded for the silver medal. From many news media, experts which include formal figure skating champions: Kurt Browning, Brian Boitano, Michelle Kwan, Katarina Witt to name a few are disagreeing with the scoring. Entire world is upset over this unfair scoring. Currently close to 2million have signed petition for the investigation in this matter; http://www.change.org/petitions/international-skating-union-isu-open-investigation-into-judging-decisions-of-women-s-figure-skating-and-demand-rejudgement-at-the-sochi-olympics

    Following is report from CNN seriously doubts the composition of the scoring judges, “One of the judges had been suspended for a year for trying to fix an event at the Winter Olympics 16 years ago. Another is married to the head of the Russian figure skating federation. This is where a lot of these con” , http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/21/brian-boitano-yuna-kim-needed-more-to-win/ One of the Russian judge actually hugs Adelina after the competition and announcement of medals; http://spnimage.edaily.co.kr/images/photo/files/NP/S/2014/02/PS14022200103.jpg

    This cruel biased judging undermines, years of extreme efforts of the any Olympic athletes and degrades reputations of Olympic. IOC must investigate this type of unfair and ridiculous judging which are shameless and immature.

    The Chosun Ilbo newspaper has obtained and printed the score-sheet for the Short Program of both Sotnikova and Kim . 2 Judges saw it this way as far as the Program Components;
    Judge 1;
    Skating Skills; Kim 8.25 A.S. 9.5
    Footwork; Kim 8.0 A.S. 9.25
    Execution; Kim 8.0 A.S 9.75
    Composition; Kim 7.75 A.S. 9.5
    Interpretation; Kim 8.5 A.S. 9.75
    Judge 2;
    Skating Skills; Kim 8.5 A.S. 9.25
    Footwork; Kim 7.75 A.S. 9.0
    Performance; Kim 8.5 A.S. 9.75
    Composition; Kim 8.0 A.S. 9.25
    Interpretation; Kim 8.25 A.S. 9.50
    The other 7 judges saw it this way (averaged);
    Skating Skills; Kim 9.18 A.S. 8.64
    Footwork; Kim 8.75 A.S. 8.36
    Performance; Kim 9.25 A.S. 8.93
    Composition; Kim 9.14 A.S. 8.75
    Interpretation; Kim 9.39 A.S. 8.89
    Of the 9 judges, 2 deserve some attention.
    1. Russian Judge (Wife of the Russian Figure Skating President)
    2. Ukraine Judge (who got suspended 1 year for trying to rig the game in Nagano 98)

  • King Baeksu
    9:11 pm on February 22nd, 2014 96

    “Kurt Browning, Brian Boitano, Michelle Kwan, Katarina Witt to name a few are disagreeing with the scoring. Entire world is upset over this unfair scoring.”

    I think Brian Boitano himself would disagree with the above statement:

    http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/21/brian-boitano-yuna-kim-needed-more-to-win/

    The “entire world” is upset? Is South Korea the “entire world”?

  • Darth Babaganoosh
    9:35 pm on February 22nd, 2014 97

    (The “entire world” is upset? Is South Korea the “entire world”?)

    Yes. Didn’t you get the memo. We pass it around every time they lose and feel put upon.

  • King Baeksu
    9:45 pm on February 22nd, 2014 98

    Bottom line; South Korean Netizens are complaining about “bias” and “favoritism.” Ahem. :roll:

  • Jinx
    11:26 pm on February 22nd, 2014 99

    Yuna’s performance was flawless, I agree. It was also simpler and, in my opinion, dull. She just went through the motions as if her heart was not truly in it.
    Adelina skated like she had nothing to loose. She electrified the spectators AND, technically, her skating was more difficult. One small misstep could not outweight it.
    Let me put it that way…
    One person recited an alphabet. Flawlessly and elegantly. Another one recited a poem, stumbling a bit at one of the verses. Who do you think did better? The difference between Yuna and Adelina may not be so extreme, of course, but it is there.
    As for the judges… ONE judge cannot affect the outcome in any significant way. If you remember, the highest and the lowest score are struck and onle seven in the middle count. For scores to be THAT different all of the judges have to be on it. Not likely.
    So, face it, Yuna lost. Actually, I applaud her: of all the croud that screams bias, corruption and whatever else, she accepted the defeat graciously. Like a queen should.

  • sue
    5:30 am on February 23rd, 2014 100

    jinx, her skating was more difficult so she failed to perform well. :oops: don’t be blind by extreme feeling ,excepting artful and technical part….
    the ‘extreme’ is not related with technical score. :shock:
    you said “he highest and the lowest score are struck and onle seven in the middle count.”
    but there were two who gave the lowest score unfairly(for example, the additional points to the unperformed part) :!:

  • Jane
    6:34 am on February 23rd, 2014 101

    To John in LA and everyone using scores from Judge 1, Judge 2, Judge 3, etc. the scores are randomized between skaters so you cannot compare the scores in that manner. Judge 1 for skater A is not Judge 1 for skater B.

    I just want to address the most common argument in favor of the current result which is that the Russian skater had greater technical difficulty, referring to the base value of the jumps, which, by the way, is 2 points not 4, like NBC has been saying. The base value is higher but the final scores are largely determined by the execution, which is by nature, subjective. For instance, the Japanese skater, Mao Asada, had the greatest technical difficulty in her programs of anyone in the Ladies event, yet was 3rd in the long program because she was downgraded on jumps for under-rotation and wrong edge on takeoff. Adelina should have similarly been downgraded for incorrect edge on at least one of her jumps, the triple lutz, as she has been in all of her prior competitions, as recently as a month ago. Many skaters suffer the same problem with this jump and it is impossible to fix in a month. Yet, the technical panel (members of which 2 out of 3 were Russian) chose to overlook the error and the judges instead awarded her positive grades of execution. You can see on the score sheets that one judge gave her a -1 on grade of execution but nearly all of the judges gave her +2 and there was even a +3 which means that particular judge thought it was a perfect jump!

    I could go on and on, explaining all my points why Yuna should have won but that would be a whole blogpost instead of a comment. Bottom line, I have no doubts that the judging was twisted in favor of the Russian skaters. Everyone in figure skating knows it, regardless of what they say in public. Yuna herself, as any other figure skater, is used to unfair judging and knows it is endemic to the sport, which is why nothing will come out of the petition, the request for investigation, all the media attention. Figure skating is a subjective sport and will always be victim to poor judging.

  • Jinx
    6:43 am on February 23rd, 2014 102

    Adelina stumbled once and points were deducted for that. However, it obviously did not outweight merits for more difficult and spirited performance.
    Please, also note, that the score-sheets everyone so like to wave around are for the SHORT program, which Yuna WON. Adelina won free skate by 5 :!: points. So, either all of the judges were in on it, or Adelina won fair and square.

  • Jinx
    6:53 am on February 23rd, 2014 103

    “Everyone in figure skating knows it”
    Must be nice to speak for all the figure-skating community and OF COURSE it is even nicer to throw around statements you have no way of proving. So far your “everyone” is composed of Korean and US figure skating experts and, please, forgive me, if I find their objectivity to be questionable at best. Of course, I do not speak for the entire world but for myself only.

  • GIRAUDOT
    10:37 am on February 23rd, 2014 104

    Il est évident que la Coréenne KIM YUNA aurait légitimimement pu prétendre à la 1ère place sur le podium et à la médaille d’Or. La performance de Kim Yu-na a été parfaite mais la Russe Adelina Sotnikova a reçu une bien meilleure note technique, malgré une faute à la réception d’un saut.En espérant que toutes les pétitions reçues en faveur de Kim Yuna lui rendront sa place.

  • ChickenHead
    10:42 am on February 23rd, 2014 105

    You are drunk, Alphabet. Go home.

  • Liz
    11:34 am on February 23rd, 2014 106

    #90 Bet that’s even better with mayo.

  • jun
    2:13 pm on February 23rd, 2014 107

    Even if Kim yuna got a silver medal, she is the First for korean. I think this Olympic
    game had some cheating.It is so deplorable

  • Jinx
    11:02 pm on February 23rd, 2014 108

    Jun, there is a thing in sports. It is called “losing” and that is what Yuna did. I have no doubt that she will always be the best for you, but it is really getting tiresome listening how people like to shift the blame for shortcomings of one onto the rest (wrong judges, wrong competition, wrong country etc).
    Yuna accepted the defeat without whining. So try to be at least marginally worthy of you queen and do the same.

  • Jinx
    4:42 am on February 24th, 2014 109

    ChickenHead,

    “When the argument is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” (c) Socrates

    And here is little something for you… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates

    Just in case you have no idea as to the origin of the quote.

  • ChickenHead
    5:21 am on February 24th, 2014 110

    “When the argument is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

    So you are saying you don’t like my patented ChickenHead Deep Fried Ranch Flavor Double-Fructose Butter-Bacon Twinkie Tangettes?

    (Now available in Liz-style with extra mayonnaise!)

  • Jinx
    6:25 am on February 24th, 2014 111

    I am sure it is delicious! :mrgreen: I simply happen to like my health in general and stomach in particular just the way they are: intact! ;-) I am afraid, that this recipe, while certainly sublime, is (waaaaay) to rich for my humble palate. :roll:

  • Cute Kitten
    8:50 am on February 24th, 2014 112

    What i don’t understand why are the judges from Russia ? should like they be from different part of the world so no unfair or bias judging will happen ?

    yes Kim made some little mistakes not major but i don’t believe she deserved that score :x

    i think that the winners were prefixed, bottom line a Russian would have won either way this Olympics were doomed from the start shame

  • Jinx
    10:38 am on February 24th, 2014 113

    From Russia, all nine of them?

  • Setnaffa
    1:57 pm on February 24th, 2014 114

    @109, Socrates was executed for corrupting young people. Is that really the authority you want to use against CH?

  • Alice
    2:13 pm on February 24th, 2014 115

    By Vakus Adams

    1. Piseev is not “a president and general director of the Russian Skating Federation”. Since 2010. NY Post, high time to refresh your data.

    2. Piseev’s wife is not just a “wife” (what a “politically correct” way to point it out in the article), she is a recognized specialist in figure skating. And… surprise, surprise… she was not judging ladies short program.

    3. It happens (must be a tragedy for some of you) that there are a lot of Russians who are great in figure skating. Among those a big number of coaches working with figure skaters from USA (Kwan, Lysachek, Meryl Davis/Charlie White), Canada (Tessa Virtue/Scott Moir), Japan (Mao Asada, Shizuka Arakawa) leading them to win world championships, olympic games. And they really deserve not to be called somebody’s wives. Show respect, they did so much to make you feel proud for your athletes.

    4. There was no Russian among the Officials during the short program. Still, Sotnikova’s score was as high, as Kim’s. How can you explain this? I repeat – NO RUSSIANS among judges during the short program. While there was one judge from SOUTH KOREA (say hi to Kim), another one from JAPAN (say hi to Asada ). Also from Great Britain, Switzerland, Italy (2 of them – say hi to Carolina), Germany, USA (oh, really?), Canada, Sweden. I guess these countries are not “East European” and are well protected from Putin’s pressure. So how it happened that they all put a very high score to Sotnikova? Lol

    5. To sum up. You are just mad that Russian won another gold medal, that figure skating was again dominated by Russians. Too bad for you. Won it fairly. New York Times made it clear in it’s move by move analysis.

  • Jinx
    11:09 pm on February 24th, 2014 116

    Setnaffa, is it the main thing that you know about Socrates? Then I pity you for your limited mind.

  • ChickenHead
    12:22 am on February 25th, 2014 117

    By popular request, another great Tang recipe.

    3 cups Tang powdered drink mix
    3 cups chocolate milk powder
    3 cups baking soda
    3 cups Hamburger Helper (no hamburger, obvuously)
    3 cups pork lard
    1 tbsp rapeseed oil

    Add heavy cream until pourable.

    Pour into casserole dish and bake. Top with Gummy Bears and capers. Sprinkle generously with large grain brown sugar and rock salt.

    Serve with concentrated chicken broth for dipping.

  • Jinx
    12:47 am on February 25th, 2014 118

    ChickenHead, thanks! And what you do not eat, you can always use as insect repellent! Profit all around. :mrgreen:

  • ChickenHead
    3:58 am on February 25th, 2014 119

    Another one to try…

    Cut the top off an avocado and remove the seed with a spoon. Fill the cavity with a mixture of equal parts Tang, lemon grass, and crushed peppermint candy. Marinate overnight in a mixture of half fish sauce and half Bailey’s Irish cream. Steam avocado for 40 minutes and serve on a bed of chilled kelp. Reduce the fish sauce/Irish cream mixture while adding liberal amounts of sage, dill, and nutmeg. Pour thickened sauce over avacado. Sprinkle with additional Tang and finely chopped chives. Immediately before serving, break a raw quail egg over it, douse in high-proof Scotch, light it on fire, serve, present your Tang grinder and ask the diner if they would care for additional sprinkles.

  • Jinx
    2:46 pm on February 25th, 2014 120

    ….or, alternatively, glue the top back on avocado, shake well and use as a grenade on unwanted guests! :twisted: (though I am certain there is a convention prohibiting this as an excessive cruelty somewhere…)

  • Yahoo Sports Writer Claims the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics Alleged Figure Skating Fraud Went Much Deeper Than Previously Known | tokyo-summergames2020
    10:13 pm on February 28th, 2014 121

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  • Russian
    9:27 am on April 3rd, 2014 122

    Yeah we russians cheated out, so what? :twisted:

    #corruptedjudges

  • horse shit slugfest
    12:00 pm on April 5th, 2014 123

    ReDo you think cheating ok or nothing surprised?
    How about #20 ranked or something korean hockey team beat the shit out russia hockey team!
    Then player and hugging each other even televising they having party together.
    Team sport is hard to cheat! Don’t underestimate korean’s cheating skill. Just ask roy johnson jr. Or 2002 spain or italian soccer team. Korean excel at watever once they set their mind on. Well hand down longer list of russian cheating history in olypic nobody beat russian cheating skill.
    So what ? RIGHT?
    What so big deal about 1 robbed gold
    Let me give you idea yuna’gold mean to korean and world figure skating fan.
    Impact of yuna single yuna gold’s literaly 1000 times more than other gold medalist even victor ahn’s 3 golds in terms news coverage,internet keyword Etc.

  • horse shit slugfest
    12:11 pm on April 5th, 2014 124

    ReDo you think cheating ok or nothing surprised?
    How about #20 ranked or something korean hockey team beat the shit out russia hockey team!
    Then player and judge hugging each other even televising they having party together.
    Team sport is hard to cheat! Don’t underestimate korean’s cheating skill. Just ask roy johnson jr. Or 2002 spain or italian soccer team. Korean excel at watever once they set their mind on. Well hand down longer list of russian cheating history in olypic nobody beat russian cheating skill.
    So what ? RIGHT?
    What so big deal about 1 robbed gold
    Let me give you idea yuna’gold mean to korean and world figure skating fan.
    Impact of yuna single yuna gold’s literaly 1000 times more than other gold medalist even victor ahn’s 3 golds in terms news coverage,internet keyword Etc.

  • Smokes
    12:42 pm on April 5th, 2014 125

    Hold on! Woah woah WOOOAAAaaahhh….

    …yup still don’t give a “fu” or a “ck” about Yeon Ah, figure skating, or the olympics.

    Ok, just checking. ;-)

 

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