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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on March 8th, 2014 at 5:06 am

Reports Say Crash Site for Malaysian Airlines Flight Has Been Located in the Gulf of Thailand

Horrible news for anyone who had relatives on this Malaysian Airlines flight that is presumed to have crashed:

Map of Malaysian Airlines flightpath from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing via News.com.au.

A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew went missing over the South China Sea on Saturday, presumed crashed, as ships and planes from countries closest to its flight path scoured a large search area for any wreckage.

Vietnamese state media, quoting a senior naval official, had reported that the Boeing 777-200ER flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing had crashed off south Vietnam. Malaysia’s transport minister later denied any crash scene had been identified.

“We are doing everything in our power to locate the plane.  [Reuters]

You can read more at the link, but CNN is now reporting that searchers have spotted rubbish and oil in waters shared by Malaysia and Vietnam which would put it in the Gulf of Thailand based on the above flightpath.  The fact that it appears to have crashed over water will likely make the investigation of what happened more difficult depending on how deep the waters are in the area.  Condolences to all the families effected by this tragedy.

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  • ChickenHead
    5:30 am on March 8th, 2014 1

    The Gulf of Thailand is like the Yellow Sea… maybe 100 meters in the deepest spot but probably closer to 40m or 50m for the deepest areas… which is advanced sport diving.

    Assumptions about the accident aside, I noticed an intetesting… perhaps disturbing… aspect to CNN’s report.

    The report claimed 154 Chinese nationals were onboard. Later it stated “China (includes Taiwan), 154″.

    Did China retake Taiwan when I was not looking or is CNN pushing some agenda here?

  • tbonetylr
    7:18 am on March 8th, 2014 2

    ” I noticed an intetesting… perhaps disturbing… aspect to CNN’s report.”

    Oh yeah wow how “disturbing” :roll:

    What I’ve found interesting is that CNN shows the land route which is fairly direct to Beijing, but for whatever reason the flight didn’t follow the direct land route shown by CNN.

    I suppose they were just taking the long way.

    “The plane last had contact with air traffic controllers two hours after it took off 120 nautical miles off the east coast of the Malaysian town of Kota Bharu, the airline said on Saturday.”

  • tbonetylr
    7:30 am on March 8th, 2014 3

    Crash site around Phu Quoc island.

  • ChickenHead
    7:37 am on March 8th, 2014 4

    Tbone, you don’t find that to be of particular interest… not because it isn’t interesting… but because you live in a very small world.

    Unfortunately, your type is the majority… which allows an elite minority to do as they please.

  • ChickenHead
    8:41 am on March 8th, 2014 5

    The plot thickens…

    At least two stolen passports were used by passengers on the plane.

    Is it that common? Coincidence? Something more sinister?

    As of now, one could make a circumstantial case for this not being an accident… and, statistically, being a case of Islamic terror.

  • Liz
    8:58 am on March 8th, 2014 6

    Tbone: “What I’ve found interesting is that CNN shows the land route which is fairly direct to Beijing, but for whatever reason the flight didn’t follow the direct land route shown by CNN.”

    It would extremely strange is the flight followed the direct land route shown by CNN. The average flight is “off-course” about 95 percent of the time. They have to defer to things like weather, migratory bird patterns, stuff like that.

  • Glans
    9:47 am on March 8th, 2014 7

    Head, one thing Chiang Kai-Shek and Mao Zedong agreed on: Taiwan is part of China.

    GI Korea, were you by any chance referring to the Khmer Gulf?

  • Sonagi
    10:46 am on March 8th, 2014 8

    News reports have suggested either catastrophic engine failure or an explosion. A plane cruising at 35,000 feet would not suddenly nosedive even if all engines failed. Recall the famous British Airways flight that lost its engines after flying through volcanic debris from Indonesia’s Mt, Galungung. At the time, the dangers of volcanic ash to planes were unknown, so the pilots didn’t know what had caused the catastrophic engine failure but they were able to maintain control of the aircraft and glide it as it descended to 10,000 feet, at which point the air was clear of ash and the engines restarted. Likely explosion + two passengers traveling with stolen passports points to a terrorist attack. A Pew survey of world Muslim attitudes towards terrorism found that support for suicide bombings diminished from 11% to 6% among Indonesians, probably in response to Islamist attacks on their own soil, while 27% of Malaysian Muslims think suicide bombings are sometimes or often justified. If it turns out that the plane was blown up, this may change their minds.

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

  • Joe
    11:20 pm on March 8th, 2014 9

    Malaysia transport minister: “The four names are with me and I have spoken to intelligence agencies”

    If I had to guess, probably names like Mohammed or Hassim types of names,

  • ChickenHead
    11:52 pm on March 8th, 2014 10

    Joe…

    …more like Mohammed and Hassim traveling with stolen passports under the names of Luigi and Christian.

    Great. Now TSA really will have a reason to strip search little old white ladies.

    They can’t look at skin color or facial features… as that would be raaaaacism.

    Actually, we are jumping the gun here to start blaming Islam… as there is no real evidence beyond circumstantial… unexpectedly vanishing plane from Islamic country to another country with increasing Islamic conflict…

    …but the fact anybody could even make such a speculation indicates Islam has a serious image issue that needs to be openly addressed and policed by more mainstream elements.

  • Sonagi
    4:49 am on March 9th, 2014 11

    Given that terrorist organizations have occasionally recruited Americans with non-Muslim-sounding names to join their cause, I would prefer that the. TSA disregard ethnicity in selecting passengers for extra scrutiny. The MA passengers carrying the stolen Austrian and Italian passports may have been clean-shaven, just like the 9/11 bombers, who removed their facial hair prior to heading to the airport.

  • Flyingsword
    4:51 am on March 9th, 2014 12

    Jihadists….

  • Liz
    7:01 am on March 9th, 2014 13

    #11, Sonagi:
    We should be using behavior profiling.
    EL-AL (the Israeli airline) has been using that for years and has managed to successfully prevent hijackings. (knock on wood)
    TSA agents are clowns. I might be insulting clowns.

  • tbonetylr
    11:56 am on March 9th, 2014 14

    @6,
    Really, 95% of the time, link please? Do they also turn back?

    “Malaysia’s air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said radar indicated that the plane may have turned back, but did not give further details on which direction it went or how far it veered off course.”

  • Liz
    12:21 pm on March 9th, 2014 15

    #14: I don’t have a link, but it should be easy to find. Don’t know why this information would be surprising, they don’t actually have roads in the sky, planes usually try to avoid weather and turbulance when they can, and a bird strike can take out an engine. But planes don’t usually turn AROUND in the opposite direction they are heading, however (unless they’re getting into position to land or something).

  • Sonagi
    1:23 pm on March 9th, 2014 16

    http://books.google.com/books?id=squ9yq9L37AC&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=percent+time+plane+flights+off-course&source=bl&ots=yIpCsWr5EN&sig=uEb4sH28_9KlQgqkqhvZcrYFA2I&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Y80cU4OrHa7x0wGxjYCYDQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=percent%20time%20plane%20flights%20off-course&f=false

  • Glans
    1:59 pm on March 9th, 2014 17

    Sonagi, the author of that book also wrote “Eat That Frog!”

  • Sonagi
    2:02 pm on March 9th, 2014 18

    What’s wrong with eating frogs, Glans?

  • Sonagi
    2:14 pm on March 9th, 2014 19

    Seriously, though, I could not find a reliable source, so the 99% figure is probably folklore, but Liz is correct that pilots sometimes fly off-course for the reasons she mentioned. Turbulent air avoidance seems to be a common reason as I have been on a few flights during which the pilot announced he was changing course due to weather, which delayed our arrival.

  • Glans
    2:34 pm on March 9th, 2014 20

    Maybe he went off course looking for a restaurant that serves good frog legs.

  • ChickenHead
    4:23 pm on March 9th, 2014 21

    Maybe the plane disintegrated after popping some ribbits.

  • Clawed The Fraud
    4:36 pm on March 9th, 2014 22

    At least we know that anyone with a stolen passport can just waltz on to any plane in the world. Meanwhile grandmothers are being strip searched by the TSA.

  • a listener
    4:50 pm on March 9th, 2014 23

    #22 Malaysia is a predominantly Muslim country so basically every passenger on the plane would fit the U.S. profile for a potential threat.

  • Sonagi
    5:30 pm on March 9th, 2014 24

    A majority of the passengers were Chinese, alistener.

  • ChickenHead
    9:44 pm on March 9th, 2014 25

    “so basically every passenger on the plane would fit the U.S. profile for a potential threat.”

    They can’t all be little old ladies with colostomy bags.

  • Me
    1:02 am on March 10th, 2014 26

    If this is a terrorist attack, is it related to the recent attack at the Chinese railway station?

  • ChickenHead
    5:36 am on March 10th, 2014 27

    Something odd is up with this crash.

    Everybody closely involved has a good idea what happened… except the public… which is fed misleading news stories based on official misdirection tempered by information that leaks out… as there is no such thing as a conspiracy except when everybody is better off believing the lie.

    So what’s up?

    The reported parts that were seen in the water were not from the plane. The reported oil slicks are not jet fuel… as it was pretty obvious it was a heavier oil from the pictures… and everybody involved must have known this. Why the shady reporting?

    Other planes that have “vanished”, either from breaking up or hitting in one piece, have left quite a bit of observable wreckage… floating bodies, life jackets, etc… and have been found in much more remote areas. This is odd.

    There are at least two and maybe four stolen passports and 5 people who checked in yet didn’t board… coincidental, perhaps. Maybe there is lots of shady stuff going on. Maybe airlines allow people to check in, check their bags in, yet don’t care if the get on the plane. Hmmm.

    But the real interesting thing is that the US Navy is searching far away… on the other side of the peninsula. Since US satellite coverage of that area is excellent, they know or suspect something. There is another level to this.

    This is going to be interesting… one almost feels as if we are at the cusp of a 9/11-style world paradigm changing moment of some sort.

    …or maybe it just crashed and everybody involved is screwed up.

  • Liz
    6:06 am on March 10th, 2014 28

    I’m not sure there is always observable wreckage, CH. I’ve heard accounts of jet crash sites where basically the only thing left was a big hole in the ground (of course, the jet didn’t disappear but the pieces were very very small and spread far and wide). That fell into the 911 conspiracy that the Pentagon was bombed and no plane actually hit it…because the parts were so small and victims had to be identified by DNA fragments.
    I’m not an engineer, but it seems like a large plane like that could make a spectacular smack at high speed in the water, too. And I’m sure small parts are hard to find, especially if they tend to sink.

  • Smokes
    6:16 am on March 10th, 2014 29

    Liz I read a study where they found that the likelihood of being rescued increases by 85% if the person has pink hair. :cool:

  • Liz
    6:19 am on March 10th, 2014 30

    Blue. The hair is blue Smokes. :P

  • Smokes
    6:39 am on March 10th, 2014 31

    Then you’re f**cked. 0% recovery of blue haired pasengers. :cry:

  • Liz
    7:39 am on March 10th, 2014 32

    I obviously need to take a trip to the boutique. :smile:

  • ChickenHead
    10:09 am on March 10th, 2014 33

    “I’m not sure there is always observable wreckage, CH.”

    Hmmm…. my impression is that water crashes of large civilian aircraft, filled with all sorts of floating plastic things, leaves a pretty obvious debris field in the water if you look in the right place.

    Air India Flight 182 disintegrated at 31,000ft due to a bomb and a ship noticed debris and floating bodies within 2 hours.

    EgyptAir Flight 990 was intentionally run into the water at high speed and identifiable debris and an oil sheen were located the next morning.

    The area where Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (presumably) crashed has a lot of shipping traffic. Further, there are a lot of planes and ships intentionally looking for it. I don’t believe it can go unnoticed for this long.

    I must conclude everyone is looking in the wrong place… which may mean something odd is going on.

    The US Navy looking in a very different place reinforces this view. They know, or suspect something… probably based on satellite data.

  • Liz
    10:15 am on March 10th, 2014 34

    Interesting. Well…I stand corrected, not for the first time.

  • Smokes
    10:18 am on March 10th, 2014 35

    http://youtu.be/llnOZBKvPWQ?t=1m37s

  • Smokes
    10:19 am on March 10th, 2014 36

    Bleh, jump to 1:37 in that clip. Stupid wordpress… :|

  • Liz
    5:24 pm on March 10th, 2014 37

    CH, I asked my husband about this and he agrees with you that it is weird not to find a lot of debris. Also, apparently they’ve found black boxes as deep as 13,000+ feet under water in the middle of the ocean and the area the plane supposedly crashed is only about 300 ft deep.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:29 pm on March 10th, 2014 38

    The BBC is reporting the search is expanding to the Straits of Malacca due to the possibility the plane turned around. It would be very strange for the plane to crash over there considering how far away from it last known location that is. I wonder if Malaysia tried to pick it up on radar after they lost the plane’s transponder? The fact they are looking towards the West indicates they did not.

  • ChickenHead
    8:46 pm on March 10th, 2014 39

    Video is surfacing of western expats having a book club meeting, hearding a strange sound, going outside, and catching the breakup of the aircraft on video.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmIo5tVPKKI

  • ChickenHead
    9:23 pm on March 10th, 2014 40

    Seriously…

    Based on available information, here is my prediction of where they will find the plane.

    It is inconceivable that debris has not been noticed in the water by searchers or the normally heavy shipping in the area.

    Therefore, it must be on land… probably in Malaysia if reports of it turning are correct.

    Malaysia is pretty heavily populated… so a plane crash generally couldn’t go unnoticed. There is one area where it might go unnoticed.

    Draw a line from Kuala Lumpur to Kuala Terengganu. Draw another line west from Kemaman until they intersect. Search that area.

    This speculation is just above a guess… but it best fits the curret information… or misinformation.

    Any other clever ideas?

  • Parsnickity Fargelgarb
    11:43 pm on March 10th, 2014 41

    Maybe the pilots were forced to ditch the plane and it landed on water without breaking up, finally sinking to the ocean floor.

  • JoeC
    1:36 am on March 11th, 2014 42

    Radars and transponders seem so last century for commercial aircraft position reporting. Especially now, when they claim to be ready to offer wi-fi and cell phone services in-flight.

    Here is my prediction going forward from this incident. There will be an immediate demand for all passenger carrying commercial aircraft to regularly report their GPS positions through communication satellites whenever they are out of range of radars.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    3:45 am on March 11th, 2014 43

    @40- It would be tough for it to crash on the peninsular Malaysia without anyone knowing due to how populated it is, but not impossible considering it happened at night and there is some rough mountainous jungle there that could swallow an airplane. It just seems though the flames would have burned down part of the jungle canopy and would have been able to be found by now.

    @41- If it some how landed intact on the water that would mean that there would have been time to open the doors and try to get some people out. It seems they would have found survivors or bodies by now. Plus the fact that it would have taken many minutes to glide the plane down into the ocean means they would have had time to contact air traffic control to let them know to send rescuers.

    At this point I am thinking maybe they landed on the LOST island?

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:38 am on March 11th, 2014 44

    Gulf of Thailand? Don’t they call it the East Sea?

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    6:02 am on March 11th, 2014 45

    Leon, I think it is called the Really, Really South Sea. ;-)

  • Smokes
    6:44 am on March 11th, 2014 46

    Hey hey! We stealing comedy bits now? :x

    http://rokdrop.com/2014/02/09/china-angry-after-us-state-department-official-speaks-the-truth-about-south-china-sea/#comment-544444

  • Setnaffa
    10:57 am on March 11th, 2014 47

    Boeing 777 data bus security/integrity issues?? https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200–300-and–300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system

  • tbonetylr
    6:31 pm on March 11th, 2014 48

    @ 6 & 15,
    As I’ve said from the start, the “interesying” thing is the path of the missing jet. Yes it was taking the long way/went off course big time.
    http://news.yahoo.com/malaysian-military-missing-jet-changed-course-200731719.html

  • Sonagi
    6:58 pm on March 11th, 2014 49

    Anyone else making connections to the plot of the move Airport 77, in which hijackers pumped gas into the vents to knock out passengers before diverting the flight, intending to land the plane on a small island and rob the flight of its valuable art cargo but instead crashing the plane into the water?

 

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